Re: [Felvtalk] Do you know why....

2010-04-20 Thread Heather
I've had kittens go from negative to positive, and positive to negative. Also had a double+ adult turn out to be only FIV+.His initial snap was said to be a "light" positive and I know that term is highly debatable, but for the record, he did not have a strong blue dot on the first test, but a

[Felvtalk] info on the study jeni sent on

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
this is from joel, whom some of you will know from FIV stuff. while he and i disagree VIOLENTLY (well, we're polite about it, but absolutely diametrically opposed to one another's understanding of FIV), i greatly respect his scientific knowledge, and his ability to follow a great variety of streams

Re: [Felvtalk] info on the study jeni sent on

2010-04-20 Thread jbero tds.net
Thanks for this MC and Joel. I am curious as to what you so strongly disagree on, but it's helpful to read this none the less. You know it seems to me that the big problem when discussing felv treatment is related to stage at which the disease is at when treatment is initiated. I mean if you are

[Felvtalk] questions about lymphoma in early stages

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
we (Hurricane Pets Rescue, in this case) have a little boy in NYC. he's an adult, came into a city shelter. has tested positive for FeLV on his first test, and we all know what that means. we've got him at our vet for his REAL problems: he's unable to use his rear legs. he has superficial pain refl

Re: [Felvtalk] info on the study jeni sent on

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
i don't think that FIV is a good model for HIV/AIDS--the manner of transmission is different, the ways the virus manifests is different, the course is different. i don't like using human-based terminology for cats does either species any good. cats do NOT get ARC (AIDS-related complex) in my opinio

Re: [Felvtalk] Do you know why....

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
all these answers are right on: a single test, negative OR positive, means nothing because of the fact that the test is for EXPOSURE. cat's body needs adequate time to process the virus out of their systems if they're going to. i, too, got into the FeLV community when a lovely darling who'd teste

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of FeLV--FeCoV, yes, which mutates into FIP. but this is something completely new, and i would like to see some backing for the statement. there is significant research that implies that many truly positive FeLVs NEVER become symptomatic, and

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread jbero tds.net
Yeah, it's felv type c. You know how there are three types A and B being those transmitted and C being the mutated form that primarily causes disease. Let me see if I can find a good paper. Jenny On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > jeni, i have NEVER seen or heard about mutated versions of F

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
i do know that there are different strains, but really haven't encountered this before--so anything you send to the list will be gratefully digested! On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Yeah, it's felv type c. You know how there are three types A and B being > those transm

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread jbero tds.net
Okay this is going to take awhile but here's a sort explanation from a pet md website. I should clarify - type C being the mutation I most fear - causes the severe anemia and rapid decline to death. It is what I have seen multiple times. FelV is a retrovirus, an enveloped RNA virus which uses s

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
FeLIX, indeed! however, having that info, a really quick search shows stuff back from the early 2000s; i can't follow-up right now, but there were a number of things that showed up in early research back then that has been completely invalidated by further stuff. anyone remember if FeLIX was menti

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread jbero tds.net
Okay, this is kind of technical but it basically supports the idea that mutations (in this case deletions in DNA) result in a more virulent and pathogenic virus worsening the disease state as these mutations are gained by the virus. Here's the link. http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/70/1/359.pdf O

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
check the date: 1996. see my other note! i found a link to a 2000 article in the same journal. is there anything later than, say, 2005? MC On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:31 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Okay, this is kind of technical but it basically supports the idea that > mutations (in this case d

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread jbero tds.net
Granted it is older, but I see nothing in the literature later to refute this information. On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > check the date: 1996. see my other note! > > i found a link to a 2000 article in the same journal. is there anything > later than, say, 2005? > > MC > > On Tue, Apr 20,

Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv

2010-04-20 Thread MaryChristine
there's no mention of it in the 2008 AAFP guidelines, and i would expect it to be there. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:51 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: > Granted it is older, but I see nothing in the literature later to refute > this information. > > On 4/20/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > > > check the