Re: Oh my Goodness!
I just love those 'big headed' fiv toms. They are the SWEETEST cats! t Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this morning my friend Julia brought over my new fiv+ / felv+ kitty. She was calling him Oreo since he is a tuxie, but that has to go. She was just out of names, due to so many rescues this year. I feel her pain. :( Anyway, what do folks think about Percy? For some reason when he came outta the carrier the name Percy came to mind. Of course, as we all know, he will have several names before it's all over :) So far, no bloodshed in the felv+ suite. My cats were appalled @ how he jumped outta the carrier and went straight for their breakfast, which was chicken egg whipped souffle' w/ cheese from Elegant Medleys.Sprinkled w/ Lysine Missing Link PF.. (hey, I would rather them eat something better, but the Elegant Medleys got started when Serenity was still w/ me. That's all she would eat along w/ baby food when she was dying. And it works) Four bowls out, he ate 2, now I will have to put out 5 maybe 6 in the mornings. He has the big head of a fiv+ tom cat. But he is sweet as can be. Miss Princess Naughty Lola peered @ him like he was an oversized insect, she did not want him to get to close to her feathery baby fine cream chocolate furrage.. Miss Lillian, who actually came from the same hoarder as him, sniffed him but he was not allowed to sniff her, she growled. Papillon is mad, hiding in the bathroom, but I think he will be ok, Percy is so passive. Miss Ursula, my botiful doll faced Sealpoint, is hiding behind the couch, that is her comfort zone when she feels like she's being invaded. Percy is just so happy to be outta a cage, he was in a cage by himself in Julia's dry storage building.. He is so people oriented, it must have been hard on him. This was a good move, and thanks Diane for being supportive of me in making this decision yesterday. Now you are up to date, will keep you posted on the latest happenings @ Chez Mew today.. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: double pos.
Hi Susan, My Bandy was double pos..If you are lucky as we were, the fiv will never be a factor..You can search the archives for Bandy..His worst problem was recurring fevers for almost 1 1/2 yrs..He developed ringworm for the last 6 months and had anterior uveitis..So we battled both of those as well..he was on alpha interferon daily for the last yr of his life..I had him on a good diet, supps and meds when needed...He never had another infection after the initial UTI 11/2 yrs prior to his death. He was around 7 yrs old. His Interenal med specialist said he would die from severe anemia, but I think when we used procrit, it helped and he was never anemic again. I gave him quite alot of folic acid in his food..pet tinic daily with his interferon. I wish that I had tried immunoreglan (sp). Anyway, please feel free to email me if you [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck, Kerry, Inky and Angel Bandy, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Buster, Albert and Alberta - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
Re: Update 08/23/07
I agree. IF your other cat has been vaccinated I would not bother separating at this point. If she is not vaccinated I would separate her until you get in her vacc. and booster, and maybe a little longer. How old is she? How long was she with your positives? I would not worry about bleaching food bowls if you feel a need to do so. I have positives and negatives mixed together and they use the same dishes. If/when you use bleach to clean, just dilute it a bit, rinse well and let the dishes dry well before using them. Drying out in the sunshine is best if possible when using bleach. tonya wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Michael, If they won't eat the wet Evo, you can mix it with some baby food (Del Monte or Beech Nut are good, chicken flavor or any of the meats) and maybe the can be switched over that way. Some people might not agree with me, but I think at this point, Penelope has already been exposed (how long were they living together before the diagnosis?). If she was, she has thrown the virus. Adult cats are very resistant against the virus from what we've seen here. How old are all your furbabies? I would be surprised if Grizzabella gave it to Poppy. Did you have Poppy tested when you first adopted him? It's possible they both already had it when you adopted them. I never separated mine. Cricket was our positive and Julie, LuLu, and Pepper are my negatives. They lived together two years before I knew about the diagnosis, and two years after. They shared the same litter box and food/water bowls. No one ever became positive. The infrared collars are a good idea, but honestly Michael, it's probably a moot point. I can't swear by it, but I would live by it. I would really be careful about the bleaching of food and water bowls. In fact, I wouldn't. I would be so scared that I was slowly poisoning them. I would ask about that as a subject specifically. Let us know how the vet visit/referral goes. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: Please talk to me
We all have differing opinions on how far to go to save a cat who is suffering. In my opinion you did the best thing for your cat. I'm sorry you lost him. tonya Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. Was he suffering? Is this why the vet decided to euth? Because even if they are symptomatic, they can still have a good quality of life being felv+. And yes, you should get your other 2 kitties combo tested, you need to know what to expect. But please, if they do test pos for felv, remember, they can live a good life for quite some time, you just to help them along by boosting their little immune systems. Take each day as a precious gift, because that'swhat it is. This list is set up for kitty mommies daddies just like you, and there is a wealth of good information here. You will get more ideas than you will know what to do with, but you will be able to figure out what works best for you, your cats your living arrangements One last note, if your vet decided to PTS because the cat was felv+ and sick, but not suffering (to be determined as YOU see fit w/ your vet's consultation)...it might be best to look for another vet that is more felv+ savvy. Just my 2 cents,I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Re: double pos.
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Re: Please talk to me
That's great news!! tonya Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Angela This sounds exactly like what happened to my Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did figure it out. His gums were exactly as you described he spent two nights at the vet hospital with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning. They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same time and being treated for anemia by a different vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a car several months earlier and that was the only available vet who could see him in a hurry. Now I was worried Junior's condition was more serious. I took him back in that week and though he looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two more tested positive. One also had been sickly had FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat was also PTS he was not well. Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough go but is fine now other than his pos status. He gets immune booster like the group says. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
Re: Spencer Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry Sherry. t Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got home from camping and recieved an e-mail that we lost sweet Spencer,a young tabby boy.We sure are having our share of losses this summer.Thanks all Sherry - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.
Re: Oh my Goodness!/Susan-Percy
Susan, I absolutely LOVE Percy [As a name] And you are so right w/ your comment about Percy having many other names!!! I know, with my own purr-sonal experiences, both at home at shelter, all babies have their own purr-sonal list of names we go by..And what's absolutely amazing, and awesome, they all seem to respond to their name at that specific moment. They are so ever smart perspective... When people stop by house inquire about their names, I, of course, reel out the whole list for each one!!! Of course, never fails, I get that look tons of questions, mostly like why Fluffy or Tom wouldn't suffice Guess you must be a genuine critter person to understand, huh? [ Or, A CRAZY CAT LADY, which I've also been called.. NEVER to my face though. Go figure! ] Looks like you will have to put more dishes out.. I'm with you on that thought, 'as long as they're eating!' Even my ferals got Evo.No complaints there. But, w/ my dear, ancient Puma, those Elegant Medleys from Fancy Feast, I really believe they certainly saved, at least, really helped my boy along. Along w. meat baby food, people tuna And, I was able to add supplements, so we all were happy. I too, absolutely love those big-headed FIV boys And, I swear, w/ all my years in rescue, B-I-G FIV+ boys hold a special place in my heart They're such LOVE MUFFINS!!! And, sadly. due to lack of adequate information available, too often overlooked!! Til the day I die, I will always believe EDUCATION IS THE KEY Need [many] more people out there at least attempting to educate!!! Prior to my MVA, I made a point to get out no less than 1X week to do what I could handing out brochures, pamphlets, etc. at a local [major] pet shoppe, one who would not sell companion animals, but rather encouraged adoptions from shelters (In fact, several times a year, they engaged in employee incentive programs. and, our shelter benefited, VERY nicely I must add, from their employee incentive programs...) Oh, I've rambled again. Much love to your [very fortunate] Percy and the rest of your babies...And, blessings for all the work you've done...I pray that you can continue for a VERY LONG time. [I'm just fortunate I had been able to do so much prior to my MVA] One must always remember that sometimes life isn't a bed of roses. It can, and sadly does, throw some pretty mean curves along the path Never take any day for grantedOne NEVER knows what the future holds Words from a woman who knows only TOO well... Hugs, Patti her gang ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: Oh my Goodness!/Susan-Percy
Patti good to hear from you!!! :) I too agree about the FIV boys,I have 3 and they are the most beautiful sweet boys ever!! Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I absolutely LOVE Percy [As a name] And you are so right w/ your comment about Percy having many other names!!! I know, with my own purr-sonal experiences, both at home at shelter, all babies have their own purr-sonal list of names we go by..And what's absolutely amazing, and awesome, they all seem to respond to their name at that specific moment. They are so ever smart perspective... When people stop by house inquire about their names, I, of course, reel out the whole list for each one!!! Of course, never fails, I get that look tons of questions, mostly like why Fluffy or Tom wouldn't suffice Guess you must be a genuine critter person to understand, huh? [ Or, A CRAZY CAT LADY, which I've also been called.. NEVER to my face though. Go figure! ] Looks like you will have to put more dishes out.. I'm with you on that thought, 'as long as they're eating!' Even my ferals got Evo.No complaints there. But, w/ my dear, ancient Puma, those Elegant Medleys from Fancy Feast, I really believe they certainly saved, at least, really helped my boy along. Along w. meat baby food, people tuna And, I was able to add supplements, so we all were happy. I too, absolutely love those big-headed FIV boys And, I swear, w/ all my years in rescue, B-I-G FIV+ boys hold a special place in my heart They're such LOVE MUFFINS!!! And, sadly. due to lack of adequate information available, too often overlooked!! Til the day I die, I will always believe EDUCATION IS THE KEY Need [many] more people out there at least attempting to educate!!! Prior to my MVA, I made a point to get out no less than 1X week to do what I could handing out brochures, pamphlets, etc. at a local [major] pet shoppe, one who would not sell companion animals, but rather encouraged adoptions from shelters (In fact, several times a year, they engaged in employee incentive programs. and, our shelter benefited, VERY nicely I must add, from their employee incentive programs...) Oh, I've rambled again. Much love to your [very fortunate] Percy and the rest of your babies...And, blessings for all the work you've done...I pray that you can continue for a VERY LONG time. [I'm just fortunate I had been able to do so much prior to my MVA] One must always remember that sometimes life isn't a bed of roses. It can, and sadly does, throw some pretty mean curves along the path Never take any day for grantedOne NEVER knows what the future holds Words from a woman who knows only TOO well... Hugs, Patti her gang - Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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Re: Caroline- Re: Rescue Cat's Reuniting
Caroline, thanks for this update. I seem to find lost cats and dogs more than the normal person (but much like others here!) and I always check them out (I am a lawyer, toomaybe it's our training) before returning them. I have not returned them all. I love it when the cat or dog joyously greets their owner. I will never forget one time that was not like that and I am still haunted. I won't give details other than I picked up a dog, called the number on the tag and took the dog home without first doing any checking. I goofed. I can only hope he ran away again and the new finder was not so quick to return him. My best Laurie
Question about eye ulcers
One of my feleuk babies, Jingles, who is about 5 and was most likely born positive, has been going downhill over the last couple of months -- pretty much the typical course of a failing feleuk+ kitty. But he has a new problem right now and it is one I have never seen before. His eye was watering; in trying to wipe it and medicate I noticed what looked like a wad of yellowish-white eye goop and I tried to wipe it away -- but it is an ulcer - a lump, for lack of a better term - attached to his eye. I have started him on lysine, because in other ways the eye looks herpes-y -- but I have never seen a lump on the eyeball like this. Anyone??? I haven't yet taken him to the vet -- hate to put him through the stress if I don't have to -- and you guys know way more than most vets when it comes to feleuk!
Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Hi, Beckie - I have my own idea for what is a typical course -- it is not the kitties who have a major, identifiable problem, such as lymphoma or anemia. It is the ones who seem generally fine and then just begin to go downhill -- lose weight, become lethargic - and continue to go downhill. That isn't a technical description or a medical one, it is just my own idea after a number of years having a number of feline leukemia kitties. I will keep Moeman in my prayers. Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think the Moeman is dying. Im just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. Hes content I think. Im just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
RE: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Beckie, My heart goes out to you and poor Moe. How devastating. I don't have any experience with this, but I will keep you and all those others going through these troubles in my thoughts and prayers. Best, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
RE: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
I'm so sorry, Becky. I'm not able to keep up with the list much these days, so I don't know Moeman's history, and don't know if there's a chance he will rebound---it does happen---but if not, I'm just glad that you're there for your darling Moeman, and that he knows what it is to be so loved and cared for. All mine (4 of them) have passed away at the vet office or emergency clinic (euthanasia), after I took them there in a panic, hoping yet again for a turnaround, so I don't know how it happens when no intervention takes place. I do know that I would have preferred they pass away at home, in familiar suroundings, and in their own time. From what I've heard on the list however, I believe you're right---assuming he no longer wants food or water, he'll become progressively weaker. Please know my thoughts and prayers are with you both. Being with Moeman at this time, and letting him know how much you love and cherish him, is the greatest gift you can bestow on him. much love and big hugs, Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been? IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Look at his gums and see if they're white rather than pink. That means anemia. Might talk to the vet about that. Is he breathing heavily? I've had several go from mediatinal lymphoma, and they collect fluid in the chest cavity, causing breathing problems. Those are the only two ways mine have passed on. hope this helps - sending good thoughts foryou and Moeman. Gloria At 11:27 AM 8/24/2007, you wrote: I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Look at his gums and see if they're white rather than pink. That means anemia. Might talk to the vet about that. Is he breathing heavily? I've had several go from mediatinal lymphoma, and they collect fluid in the chest cavity, causing breathing problems. Those are the only two ways mine have passed on. hope this helps - sending good thoughts foryou and Moeman. Gloria At 11:27 AM 8/24/2007, you wrote: I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge
im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would need it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her head fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling you this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again when we got her ashes. That night I could not relax to sleep. Eventually I felt (and you may think me crazy) her presence in the room. I felt a warmth on my chest where she would lay all the time. Only then was I able to sleep. I tell you about it because I do believe that all those living have souls and we can call upon them when we need. And not in a distant way like they are far off in heaven but that they are they present around us all the time. The
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
You are not crazy. Many people have their little friends visit. Some of mine visit regularly. And I truly believe they have a paw in choosing who comes into my life next. My critters tend to chose me instead of the other way around. Your experiences are similar to mine with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony Thomas Katt (neither was FeLV+) Bother liked cold tile during their last days. And yes, death can be beautiful. It is simply a very painful pause for those of us left behind but a stepping stone to whatever comes next. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jenna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he thinks she knew what he was
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge
Jenna your story of your beautiful Satine has me in tears.It is the hardest thing to go through when you love them so much.She was lucky to have the both of you.I went through it with my Maizee Grace almost 2 years ago and this really hit me hard. Sherry Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would need it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her head fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling you this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again when we got her ashes. That night I could not relax to sleep. Eventually I felt (and you may think me crazy) her presence in the room. I felt a warmth on my chest
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
Marylyn I know Maizee visited me on several ocassions and it did make me feel loved.And I believe Maizee had a paw in my 4 boys and baby girl to pick me too. Sherry Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not crazy. Many people have their little friends visit. Some of mine visit regularly. And I truly believe they have a paw in choosing who comes into my life next. My critters tend to chose me instead of the other way around. Your experiences are similar to mine with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony Thomas Katt (neither was FeLV+) Bother liked cold tile during their last days. And yes, death can be beautiful. It is simply a very painful pause for those of us left behind but a stepping stone to whatever comes next. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jenna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Beckie, I amsorry about Moeman.. I thnk there are several ways they can pass,w/felv. Yes, they can just get weaker weaker finally pass away. Serenity passed away of wet FIP , but we used euth.to help her along since she was clearly suffering. (Extremely swollen, lethargic, trouble breathing obvious distress). IfMoeman is not suffering, by allmeans let himgo @ home, surrounded by you all the love that you have to give him. And I agree, there comes a time when no more pokes or prods are in order, and it sounds like you know what's best for him already. We are here for you Moeman. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Beckie McRae To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Dear Becky, I certainly do not have all the answers, but I can draw from my experiences over the years. It is usually true that when a cat stops eating, it can mean they are near the end. BUT, something happened to me last year that made me think twice. Whiskers stopped eating. She is CRF, and had a bladder or kidney infection . Anyway, she would NOT eat. It took me 2 mo. of force feeding her before she ate on her own. She is still with me. I did this with the encouragement of my vet, BTW. Spud if FIV, and has severe stomatitis. My vet treated him for Toxo. although she was at a loss as to what was really going on. His HCT was down to 12. I force fed him for 6 wks. He is still with me. His HCT is 22 now...not perfect, but doable. In June my FeLV kitty, KI stopped eating. Bloodwork was almost normal. I was force feeding, when all of a sudden, his abdoman filled with fluid. It was probably FIP, and he was having trouble breathing, so I elected to PTS. I am in the country now, and there is NO ER care nearby. 2 wks ago, My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim stopped eating. Bloodwork looked pretty good. Force fed, but he continued to get thinner. When his eyes and gums turned yellow, they examined him again, and found a mass in his kidney, and one in his pancreas. We elected to PTS. I guess what I am saying is that every cat and situation is different. Sometimes we never do figure out what is wrong. It is just something you reason out, and look at the whole cat, and how they're reacting to the treatment they are getting. I have learned one thing though, you need to give them 60cc of food 3 times a day. God bless you both. Dede --- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been? When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: Oh my Goodness!/Susan-Percy
A,thanks, patty, for the wonderful email. I read it to Percy ( and to Princess Naughty Lola, Ursula, Lillian Papillon) and they gave it two paws up..! Have a good weekend! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Re: Oh my Goodness!/Susan-Percy Susan, I absolutely LOVE Percy [As a name] And you are so right w/ your comment about Percy having many other names!!! I know, with my own purr-sonal experiences, both at home at shelter, all babies have their own purr-sonal list of names we go by..And what's absolutely amazing, and awesome, they all seem to respond to their name at that specific moment. They are so ever smart perspective... When people stop by house inquire about their names, I, of course, reel out the whole list for each one!!! Of course, never fails, I get that look tons of questions, mostly like why Fluffy or Tom wouldn't suffice Guess you must be a genuine critter person to understand, huh? [ Or, A CRAZY CAT LADY, which I've also been called.. NEVER to my face though. Go figure! ] Looks like you will have to put more dishes out.. I'm with you on that thought, 'as long as they're eating!' Even my ferals got Evo.No complaints there. But, w/ my dear, ancient Puma, those Elegant Medleys from Fancy Feast, I really believe they certainly saved, at least, really helped my boy along. Along w. meat baby food, people tuna And, I was able to add supplements, so we all were happy. I too, absolutely love those big-headed FIV boys And, I swear, w/ all my years in rescue, B-I-G FIV+ boys hold a special place in my heart They're such LOVE MUFFINS!!! And, sadly. due to lack of adequate information available, too often overlooked!! Til the day I die, I will always believe EDUCATION IS THE KEY Need [many] more people out there at least attempting to educate!!! Prior to my MVA, I made a point to get out no less than 1X week to do what I could handing out brochures, pamphlets, etc. at a local [major] pet shoppe, one who would not sell companion animals, but rather encouraged adoptions from shelters (In fact, several times a year, they engaged in employee incentive programs. and, our shelter benefited, VERY nicely I must add, from their employee incentive programs...) Oh, I've rambled again. Much love to your [very fortunate] Percy and the rest of your babies...And, blessings for all the work you've done...I pray that you can continue for a VERY LONG time. [I'm just fortunate I had been able to do so much prior to my MVA] One must always remember that sometimes life isn't a bed of roses. It can, and sadly does, throw some pretty mean curves along the path Never take any day for grantedOne NEVER knows what the future holds Words from a woman who knows only TOO well... Hugs, Patti her gang -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge
Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of
Re: double pos.
For me, I just deal with the FELV the way I usually do, and assume FELV is the major culprit. With FELV cats that are fairly young - like less than 4 years old - I'd give interferon. For those older than that, I haven't been doing anything except giving them a stable environment and care. I have 1 double positive right now, he's about 4-5 years old, B.B., and he's doing great. I had one prior to that, and he was in bad shape when I got him. he lived 1 year. Mr. Black Kitty was a great cat, great attitude - had diarrhea problems, which got resolved, and had fragile bones prior to his death. Seemed to die of kidney failure, I don't know. Gloria On Aug 23, 2007, at 6:41 PM, wendy wrote: Hideyo would be a good source for this. I hope she's still around. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:14:17 PM Subject: double pos. I haven't had time to pester my vet w/questions about Percy, who is double pos. (felv+ / fiv+). Does anyone have any special advice for double pos.cats? Or is it pretty much the same protacol as w/felv+? Just curious. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place trying to find this stuff for me under iron supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately and I am realizing I have an emergency on my hands...If it were not for this list I might not have noticed... Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to Procrit...Glenda --- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorrybutplease indulge
I'm very glad that I could help, Glenda.. Pat - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorrybutplease indulge Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place trying to find this stuff for me under iron supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately and I am realizing I have an emergency on my hands...If it were not for this list I might not have noticed... Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to Procrit...Glenda --- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence
Re: double pos. (Kerry)
Hi Kerry, Thanks for all the good info. For now I amboosting Percy's immune system w/my usual bag of tricks, the Lysine,Missing Link Nutrional Yeast. All the felv+cats get these supplements. I am concerned about Percy, tho, he has runnyeyes,which I hope to get cleared up soon. He has an unknown history, he was rescued from a rescuer that turned hoarder, along w/ 184 other cats. Prior to that, not sure,probably the LaPorte high kill shelter. (very HIGH kill)..? That is where she (hoarder) predominantly pulled from. His fur was kinda rough w/dandruff, but I think just in the 3 days he has been w/me on supplements,moist food higher quality dry it looks like it has improved. So, do you belong to the fiv yahoo group? And you feel like you get alot out of it? I am already on so many groups, but I think fiv is an important disease because so many cats are destroyed w/it when they could have very long lives. And they can live w/non fiv cats so easily. Thanks and have a great weekend! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kerry Roach To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:28 AM Subject: Re: double pos. Hi Susan, My Bandy was double pos..If you are lucky as we were, the fiv will never be a factor..You can search the archives for Bandy..His worst problem was recurring fevers for almost 1 1/2 yrs..He developed ringworm for the last 6 months and had anterior uveitis..So we battled both of those as well..he was on alpha interferon daily for the last yr of his life..I had him on a good diet, supps and meds when needed...He never had another infection after the initial UTI 11/2 yrs prior to his death. He was around 7 yrs old. His Interenal med specialist said he would die from severe anemia, but I think when we used procrit, it helped and he was never anemic again. I gave him quite alot of folic acid in his food..pet tinic daily with his interferon. I wish that I had tried immunoreglan (sp). Anyway, please feel free to email me if you [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck, Kerry, Inky and Angel Bandy, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Buster, Albert and Alberta -- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
Update 08/24/07
Update for the day: I spoke with my vet today at Creekside, and surprisingly enough he was very receptive and wrote the referrals for UT. They have an appointment on Tuesday, September 11 for, as Dr. Dolen wrote, FeLV workup and medical supportive therapy. It gives me some hope. We'll see. Ideally, I'll be able to consult with UT at least twice a year, and use the very close vet for emergent situations and maintenance. The girls continue to eat the fancy feast with the Lysine and Missing Link supplements in it. They actually didn't seem to mind it at all. They're working on the conversion to the Innova EVO dry food. Right now it's about 80% Purina naturals and 20% EVO. They're eating it, but a bit slower than they were the Purina Naturals alone, but this is normal from what I read? I'm also looking into buying a thermometer, as a temperature is one of the early warning signs of infection. I've done my research, and found the WNL temperature for a cat is 100.5 to 102.5 degrees Fahrenheit, and the heart rate is 140-220. (This site has great information on it: _http://www.cathelp-online.com/emergency/vitals.php_ (http://www.cathelp-online.com/emergency/vitals.php) ). I really am hoping I can give them many more years with very careful care and attention. Do you guys have any thoughts on thermometers? I've found this one (_http://www.pet-temp.com/pet_temp.htm_ (http://www.pet-temp.com/pet_temp.htm) ) , any of you own one or have a better recommendation for an ear canal thermometer? I am really 95% positive they absolutely would not tolerate a rectal thermometer. Also, I just wanted to mention that I recently looked over the FeLV Fund store, and just loved the Feline Leukemia is NOT a death sentence and There is LIFE with Feline Leukemia messages. It provides hope. You all know I've had a rough time with this, and that's a message I needed. I'm going to order the license plate frame! Thanks for everything guys, and I'll email again when I have an update. Michael ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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To Jenna: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge
Jenna, Your story about beautiful Satine made me cry. I mean this in a good way. Thanks for sharing. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49:04 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would need it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her head fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling you this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again
To Glenda: Re: Procrit
Glenda, I think Procrit is the same as Epogen, but not completely sure, and it can still be purchased. Usually when people use Procrit for their animals, it is the only thing left that will help the anemia, so they choose to save their animal rather than just let them go, and deal with any after effects later, if any. I didn't want you to think it's not something you can use in the future if one of your kitties needs it. Usually Prednisolone is used for anemia and maybe Winstrol. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:52:57 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place trying to find this stuff for me under iron supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately and I am realizing I have an emergency on my hands...If it were not for this list I might not have noticed... Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to Procrit...Glenda --- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held.
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Hi Beckie, Since kitties don't technically die from the FeLV, but from FeLV related illnesses, the only way to know how your kitty might pass is what he is actually sick from. Is it anemia? I'm sorry you guys are going through this. Prayers going out for comfort and strength for both of you. Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27:19 AM Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? I think the Moeman is dying. I’m just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He’s content I think. I’m just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been? Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: Update 08/24/07
Michael, I'm glad your vet was receptive to the referral. That's great! I don't have any help with the thermometer. I try to use our ear one on our cats without much success. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:57:16 PM Subject: Update 08/24/07 Update for the day: I spoke with my vet today at Creekside, and surprisingly enough he was very receptive and wrote the referrals for UT. They have an appointment on Tuesday, September 11 for, as Dr. Dolen wrote, FeLV workup and medical supportive therapy. It gives me some hope. We'll see. Ideally, I'll be able to consult with UT at least twice a year, and use the very close vet for emergent situations and maintenance. The girls continue to eat the fancy feast with the Lysine and Missing Link supplements in it. They actually didn't seem to mind it at all. They're working on the conversion to the Innova EVO dry food. Right now it's about 80% Purina naturals and 20% EVO. They're eating it, but a bit slower than they were the Purina Naturals alone, but this is normal from what I read? I'm also looking into buying a thermometer, as a temperature is one of the early warning signs of infection. I've done my research, and found the WNL temperature for a cat is 100.5 to 102.5 degrees Fahrenheit, and the heart rate is 140-220. (This site has great information on it: http://www.cathelp-online.com/emergency/vitals.php). I really am hoping I can give them many more years with very careful care and attention. Do you guys have any thoughts on thermometers? I've found this one (http://www.pet-temp.com/pet_temp.htm) , any of you own one or have a better recommendation for an ear canal thermometer? I am really 95% positive they absolutely would not tolerate a rectal thermometer. Also, I just wanted to mention that I recently looked over the FeLV Fund store, and just loved the Feline Leukemia is NOT a death sentence and There is LIFE with Feline Leukemia messages. It provides hope. You all know I've had a rough time with this, and that's a message I needed. I'm going to order the license plate frame! Thanks for everything guys, and I'll email again when I have an update. Michael Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: To Glenda: Re: Procrit
Let me clarify: Usually Prednisolone is used for anemia and maybe Winstrol after the initial diagnosis. If it doesn't work, then other drugs/procedures are considered. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:04:08 PM Subject: To Glenda: Re: Procrit Glenda, I think Procrit is the same as Epogen, but not completely sure, and it can still be purchased. Usually when people use Procrit for their animals, it is the only thing left that will help the anemia, so they choose to save their animal rather than just let them go, and deal with any after effects later, if any. I didn't want you to think it's not something you can use in the future if one of your kitties needs it. Usually Prednisolone is used for anemia and maybe Winstrol. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:52:57 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place trying to find this stuff for me under iron supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately and I am realizing I have an emergency on my hands...If it were not for this list I might not have noticed... Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to Procrit...Glenda --- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this
Re: Question about eye ulcers
Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: Question about eye ulcers
Ugh, I'm sorry about that. I know that question has nothing to do with eye ulcers...I meant to change the subject line and forgot. :/ ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
I'm sorry Sherry. tonya Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again,sweet beautiful Joy a tortie that loved giving you kisses on your face passed away today while under to be checked out,she was going down hill and had fiv and felv.She was the first kitty that I noticed in the window when I drove up to check it out before starting my volunteering.I will miss that sweet tortie girl. Sherry - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
RE: Question about eye ulcers
One of mine diagnosed at age 4 or so and that was 4 years ago. She's a big 18 lbs and going strong! My other positive his around the same age and diagnosed when I brought him in (he was a stray) though he's had some gum problems, he's going strong as well 4 years later! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael _ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
Re: Question about eye ulcers
Michael, There is such a range that I would not even say 2-3 years. I would say that the younger the cat, the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more likely) they will pass in the first year or third, but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no specific research. This does not include cats that throw the virus, which your cats could do. They say it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become negative after years, which is always a joy to see, though rare. About 30-40% of cats throw the virus after exposure. Adult cats are much less likely to get the virus, which might explain why your younger one may have picked the virus up when he was a kitten (I hope I have that right). My Cricket was diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure he got it in utero from his mom. He died at 4.5 years. He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with anemia, that I feel would not have happened without the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for a week during the hurricane. He could still be here had he not been stressed, I don't know. Then, there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22 We had one here live to 16 years old. I forget whose kitty it was. There is another that lived to nine. There is just no way to tell the life expectancy, but I will say this. If you have your cat on immune boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them feel good, I really, really believe that extends the life expectancy more than we realize. You might do an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts that tell how old their kitty was when they died. I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like years + death, but it might be possible. I wouldn't get any date stuck in your head though. Positive thoughts all the way! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: Question about eye ulcers
I got my first felv+ kitty last July, from a very bad Frankenbreeder situation I actually got 3 cats from this particuliar case. One passed away last Thanksgiving, but she also had chronic health problems prior to me getting her. She was a sealpoint Rex. Naughty Lola, a doll faced cream choc. Persian, is stillw/me and for now is a healthy happy kitty. Ursula, sealpoint British shorthair, tested neg/neg when I got her, but obvious had an exposure @ the house, she turned pos. two months afterwards. So far, she is doing well. She is about 5 yrs.,is my guess, was not spayed when I got her, probably a stock cat. Lillian, hard to say, was pos. when I got her last April. Papillon, pos. when I got him. And Percival, pos. when I got him. So, that certainly does not answer your question.. But I will say this, it'sjust hard tosay how long they will live. But preventative meds will helpthemlive longer. Best Friends has a felv+ cat that is what, 22 yrs? Have you checked out their website to see if there is any info on it? The felv+ suite is called Benton's House. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
How loong? was: Question about eye ulcers
Gee, Christiane, you must to doing something right! That's pretty good! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: RE: Question about eye ulcers One of mine diagnosed at age 4 or so and that was 4 years ago. She's a big 18 lbs and going strong! My other positive his around the same age and diagnosed when I brought him in (he was a stray) though he's had some gum problems, he's going strong as well 4 years later! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: To Glenda: Re: Procrit
Wendy, Thank you! Anyway, I just picked up something called: LIXOTINIC,ODD LOTS (30ml) from my vet. It is supposed to be iron with vitamins, I think ? I am to give my cat 2ml once a day...I have a two week supply. I will have my cat go through the usual tests in the next couple weeks. I do want to say, I just shot the first dose down his throat and it went so fast he did not even know what happened. This is the cat that foams at the mouth when he is given a pill and 90% of the time manages to spit it out. I really like giving him things in liquid form with the syringe. Beckie might want to try something like this on Moe, just to make sure she is getting as much supplement as possible down him. I think she found pillpockets helpful, but nothing could beat what I just pulled on my cat Dingo, the pro at fighting off his meds...Glenda --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me clarify: Usually Prednisolone is used for anemia and maybe Winstrol after the initial diagnosis. If it doesn't work, then other drugs/procedures are considered. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:04:08 PM Subject: To Glenda: Re: Procrit Glenda, I think Procrit is the same as Epogen, but not completely sure, and it can still be purchased. Usually when people use Procrit for their animals, it is the only thing left that will help the anemia, so they choose to save their animal rather than just let them go, and deal with any after effects later, if any. I didn't want you to think it's not something you can use in the future if one of your kitties needs it. Usually Prednisolone is used for anemia and maybe Winstrol. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:52:57 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place trying to find this stuff for me under iron supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately and I am realizing I have an emergency on my hands...If it were not for this list I might not have noticed... Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to Procrit...Glenda --- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her
Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers
Great advice, Wendy, great advice. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Michael, There is such a range that I would not even say 2-3 years. I would say that the younger the cat, the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more likely) they will pass in the first year or third, but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no specific research. This does not include cats that throw the virus, which your cats could do. They say it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become negative after years, which is always a joy to see, though rare. About 30-40% of cats throw the virus after exposure. Adult cats are much less likely to get the virus, which might explain why your younger one may have picked the virus up when he was a kitten (I hope I have that right). My Cricket was diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure he got it in utero from his mom. He died at 4.5 years. He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with anemia, that I feel would not have happened without the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for a week during the hurricane. He could still be here had he not been stressed, I don't know. Then, there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22 We had one here live to 16 years old. I forget whose kitty it was. There is another that lived to nine. There is just no way to tell the life expectancy, but I will say this. If you have your cat on immune boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them feel good, I really, really believe that extends the life expectancy more than we realize. You might do an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts that tell how old their kitty was when they died. I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like years + death, but it might be possible. I wouldn't get any date stuck in your head though. Positive thoughts all the way! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House
The FeLV suite is actually called Casa de Calmar. Benton's House houses kitties with disabilities. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:44:31 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers I got my first felv+ kitty last July, from a very bad Frankenbreeder situation I actually got 3 cats from this particuliar case. One passed away last Thanksgiving, but she also had chronic health problems prior to me getting her. She was a sealpoint Rex. Naughty Lola, a doll faced cream choc. Persian, is stillw/me and for now is a healthy happy kitty. Ursula, sealpoint British shorthair, tested neg/neg when I got her, but obvious had an exposure @ the house, she turned pos. two months afterwards. So far, she is doing well. She is about 5 yrs.,is my guess, was not spayed when I got her, probably a stock cat. Lillian, hard to say, was pos. when I got her last April. Papillon, pos. when I got him. And Percival, pos. when I got him. So, that certainly does not answer your question.. But I will say this, it'sjust hard tosay how long they will live. But preventative meds will helpthemlive longer. Best Friends has a felv+ cat that is what, 22 yrs? Have you checked out their website to see if there is any info on it? The felv+ suite is called Benton's House. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers
Thank you. That was sweet of you to say! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:48:45 PM Subject: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers Great advice, Wendy, great advice. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Michael, There is such a range that I would not even say 2-3 years. I would say that the younger the cat, the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more likely) they will pass in the first year or third, but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no specific research. This does not include cats that throw the virus, which your cats could do. They say it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become negative after years, which is always a joy to see, though rare. About 30-40% of cats throw the virus after exposure. Adult cats are much less likely to get the virus, which might explain why your younger one may have picked the virus up when he was a kitten (I hope I have that right). My Cricket was diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure he got it in utero from his mom. He died at 4.5 years. He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with anemia, that I feel would not have happened without the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for a week during the hurricane. He could still be here had he not been stressed, I don't know. Then, there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22 We had one here live to 16 years old. I forget whose kitty it was. There is another that lived to nine. There is just no way to tell the life expectancy, but I will say this. If you have your cat on immune boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them feel good, I really, really believe that extends the life expectancy more than we realize. You might do an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts that tell how old their kitty was when they died. I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like years + death, but it might be possible. I wouldn't get any date stuck in your head though. Positive thoughts all the way! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: To Glenda: Re: Procrit
Lixotinic is supposed to be pretty good stuff. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: To Glenda: Re: Procrit Wendy, Thank you! Anyway, I just picked up something called: LIXOTINIC,ODD LOTS (30ml) from my vet. It is supposed to be iron with vitamins, I think ? I am to give my cat 2ml once a day...I have a two week supply. I will have my cat go through the usual tests in the next couple weeks. I do want to say, I just shot the first dose down his throat and it went so fast he did not even know what happened. This is the cat that foams at the mouth when he is given a pill and 90% of the time manages to spit it out. I really like giving him things in liquid form with the syringe. Beckie might want to try something like this on Moe, just to make sure she is getting as much supplement as possible down him. I think she found pillpockets helpful, but nothing could beat what I just pulled on my cat Dingo, the pro at fighting off his meds...Glenda --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me clarify: Usually Prednisolone is used for anemia and maybe Winstrol after the initial diagnosis. If it doesn't work, then other drugs/procedures are considered.
Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers
Wendy and Susan, my little gurus, You guys , I trust more than any vet...so here is my question: Which is worse for a kitty, to contact the FeLV virus through the mother as a kitten or to be exposed later in life? I think I know the answer.It is better to be exposed later in life, right? About what might the percentages be for a kitten throwing the virus if it came through the queen? My little girl became infected through her mom...I continue to live on a little bit of hope she could throw it some day, but I am trying to steel myself that I could lose her in a couple years...Right now she is a bundle of energy and just so incredible as cats go...She is about 6-months old... (This is an open question, but since I had both of these guys here, thought I'd ask...) Thanks, Glenda --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great advice, Wendy, great advice. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Michael, There is such a range that I would not even say 2-3 years. I would say that the younger the cat, the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more likely) they will pass in the first year or third, but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no specific research. This does not include cats that throw the virus, which your cats could do. They say it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become negative after years, which is always a joy to see, though rare. About 30-40% of cats throw the virus after exposure. Adult cats are much less likely to get the virus, which might explain why your younger one may have picked the virus up when he was a kitten (I hope I have that right). My Cricket was diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure he got it in utero from his mom. He died at 4.5 years. He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with anemia, that I feel would not have happened without the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for a week during the hurricane. He could still be here had he not been stressed, I don't know. Then, there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22 We had one here live to 16 years old. I forget whose kitty it was. There is another that lived to nine. There is just no way to tell the life expectancy, but I will say this. If you have your cat on immune boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them feel good, I really, really believe that extends the life expectancy more than we realize. You might do an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts that tell how old their kitty was when they died. I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like years + death, but it might be possible. I wouldn't get any date stuck in your head though. Positive thoughts all the way! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House
Thanks, Wendy! A, I need to log onto their website and poke around in kittyland. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House The FeLV suite is actually called Casa de Calmar. Benton's House houses kitties with disabilities. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:44:31 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers I got my first felv+ kitty last July, from a very bad Frankenbreeder situation I actually got 3 cats from this particuliar case. One passed away last Thanksgiving, but she also had chronic health problems prior to me getting her. She was a sealpoint Rex. Naughty Lola, a doll faced cream choc. Persian, is stillw/me and for now is a healthy happy kitty. Ursula, sealpoint British shorthair, tested neg/neg when I got her, but obvious had an exposure @ the house, she turned pos. two months afterwards. So far, she is doing well. She is about 5 yrs.,is my guess, was not spayed when I got her, probably a stock cat. Lillian, hard to say, was pos. when I got her last April. Papillon, pos. when I got him. And Percival, pos. when I got him. So, that certainly does not answer your question.. But I will say this, it'sjust hard tosay how long they will live. But preventative meds will helpthemlive longer. Best Friends has a felv+ cat that is what, 22 yrs? Have you checked out their website to see if there is any info on it? The felv+ suite is called Benton's House. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
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Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers
Yes, I can be socially acceptable @ times.. :) Baaa haa ...! But I did mean it, your post was very well written and helpful. Especially the part about not getting a date stuck in your head Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers Thank you. That was sweet of you to say! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:48:45 PM Subject: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers Great advice, Wendy, great advice. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Michael, There is such a range that I would not even say 2-3 years. I would say that the younger the cat, the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more likely) they will pass in the first year or third, but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no specific research. This does not include cats that throw the virus, which your cats could do. They say it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become negative after years, which is always a joy to see, though rare. About 30-40% of cats throw the virus after exposure. Adult cats are much less likely to get the virus, which might explain why your younger one may have picked the virus up when he was a kitten (I hope I have that right). My Cricket was diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure he got it in utero from his mom. He died at 4.5 years. He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with anemia, that I feel would not have happened without the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for a week during the hurricane. He could still be here had he not been stressed, I don't know. Then, there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22 We had one here live to 16 years old. I forget whose kitty it was. There is another that lived to nine. There is just no way to tell the life expectancy, but I will say this. If you have your cat on immune boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them feel good, I really, really believe that extends the life expectancy more than we realize. You might do an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts that tell how old their kitty was when they died. I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like years + death, but it might be possible. I wouldn't get any date stuck in your head though. Positive thoughts all the way! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -- Take the
Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers
I would have to say, contacting the disease later in life would be better( I know, poor chioce of words). Older cats have stronger immune systems, plus kittens still have to go through the surgery of being spayed / neuter, which is stressful on them. I have heard that lots of fiv+ kittens turn neg.,but not as many felv+ kittens turn neg. But Wendy is right, Glenda, do not get datesstuck in your head. Value the time you have w/your baby. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers Wendy and Susan, my little gurus, You guys , I trust more than any vet...so here is my question: Which is worse for a kitty, to contact the FeLV virus through the mother as a kitten or to be exposed later in life? I think I know the answer.It is better to be exposed later in life, right? About what might the percentages be for a kitten throwing the virus if it came through the queen? My little girl became infected through her mom...I continue to live on a little bit of hope she could throw it some day, but I am trying to steel myself that I could lose her in a couple years...Right now she is a bundle of energy and just so incredible as cats go...She is about 6-months old... (This is an open question, but since I had both of these guys here, thought I'd ask...) Thanks, Glenda --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great advice, Wendy, great advice. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Michael, There is such a range that I would not even say 2-3 years. I would say that the younger the cat, the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more likely) they will pass in the first year or third, but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no specific research. This does not include cats that throw the virus, which your cats could do. They say it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become negative after years, which is always a joy to see, though rare. About 30-40% of cats throw the virus after exposure. Adult cats are much less likely to get the virus, which might explain why your younger one may have picked the virus up when he was a kitten (I hope I have that right). My Cricket was diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure he got it in utero from his mom. He died at 4.5 years. He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with anemia, that I feel would not have happened without the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for a week during the hurricane. He could still be here had he not been stressed, I don't know. Then, there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22 We had one here live to 16 years old. I forget whose kitty it was. There is another that lived to nine. There is just no way to tell the life expectancy, but I will say this. If you have your cat on immune boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them feel good, I really, really believe that extends the life expectancy more than we realize. You might do an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts that tell how old their kitty was when they died. I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like years + death, but it might be possible. I wouldn't get any date stuck in your head though. Positive thoughts all the way! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat
Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House
www.bestfriends.org check 'em out.. All critters should be this lucky. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House Who/What is this Best Friends? I must be missing something? -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
RE: How loong? was: Question about eye ulcers
Actually, I'm lucky I guess. Have a very laid back vet who doesn't panic. Tucson has had a couple of episodes of very low white blood cell count vet gave her a series of immuno-regulin and that seemed to perk her up. Biggest problem with her is that she's overweight at 18 lbs. I try hard to watch how much she eats but with 5 cats, its tough cause she's real good at sneaking around and stealing out of the other's dishes! But I figure better that she's got some extra weight in case something does come up. My Romeo is a stray I fed for a couple of years before I brought him in. He freaks at vet so I keep visits to an absolute minimum. He's just developed gum infection that vet says is stomatitis. But vet thinks we caught it real early (no ulcers) and put him on Baytril so keeping my fingers crossed. He's eating OK though I've kept it to wet food cause I can tell his mouth is sore. When I first got diagnosis, I used to run to vet every two minutes! Now, I've sort of learned what each of their 'key' signs are-for Tucson, going a day without eating much is a dead giveaway that something's not right. She also mopes around when she doesn't feel well so you know instantly! For Romeo, its tougher cause he is not a complainer it was his terrible foul breath seeing him struggle to eat his dry food that made me take him in. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: How loong? was: Question about eye ulcers Gee, Christiane, you must to doing something right! That's pretty good! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: RE: Question about eye ulcers One of mine diagnosed at age 4 or so and that was 4 years ago. She's a big 18 lbs and going strong! My other positive his around the same age and diagnosed when I brought him in (he was a stray) though he's had some gum problems, he's going strong as well 4 years later! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me ask this... How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis? I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living longer? Just curious what everyone's experiences have been. Michael _ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
FeLV transmission stats, IMO only
Agreed. I think the percentages of 30-40% might be a little skewed. I think there are many less adults than kittens that actually contract FeLV because of the immune system strength. When I see those percentages above, I think only about kittens, because for me, I think it's so rare for an adult to catch it through casual contact. I would think it would have to be a deep wound for an adult to contract it, but I am not an expert. It's just like the Bloodborne Pathogens video we had to watch at work today. They say that out of all the people that get stuck or cut with say a needle or whatever infected with either Hepatitis B, Hep C, or HIV, that 1 in 6 actually contracts Hep B, 1 in 3 contracts Hep C, and 1 in 300 contracts HIV. Don't quote me on those numbers, but it was something like that. So I look at kittens like Hep B, and adults like HIV, if you follow. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:08:42 PM Subject: Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers Wendy and Susan, my little gurus, You guys , I trust more than any vet...so here is my question: Which is worse for a kitty, to contact the FeLV virus through the mother as a kitten or to be exposed later in life? I think I know the answer.It is better to be exposed later in life, right? About what might the percentages be for a kitten throwing the virus if it came through the queen? My little girl became infected through her mom...I continue to live on a little bit of hope she could throw it some day, but I am trying to steel myself that I could lose her in a couple years...Right now she is a bundle of energy and just so incredible as cats go...She is about 6-months old... (This is an open question, but since I had both of these guys here, thought I'd ask...) Thanks, Glenda --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great advice, Wendy, great advice. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers Michael, There is such a range that I would not even say 2-3 years. I would say that the younger the cat, the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more likely) they will pass in the first year or third, but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no specific research. This does not include cats that throw the virus, which your cats could do. They say it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become negative after years, which is always a joy to see, though rare. About 30-40% of cats throw the virus after exposure. Adult cats are much less likely to get the virus, which might explain why your younger one may have picked the virus up when he was a kitten (I hope I have that right). My Cricket was diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure he got it in utero from his mom. He died at 4.5 years. He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with anemia, that I feel would not have happened without the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for a week during the hurricane. He could still be here had he not been stressed, I don't know. Then, there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22 We had one here live to 16 years old. I forget whose kitty it was. There is another that lived to nine. There is just no way to tell the life expectancy, but I will say this. If you have your cat on immune boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them feel good, I really, really believe that extends the life expectancy more than we realize. You might do an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts that tell how old their kitty was when they died. I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like years + death, but it might be possible. I wouldn't get any date stuck in your head though. Positive thoughts all the way! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007
Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House
Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Kanab, Utah. When you get a chance, go to their website. Very cool sanctuary and great fun to visit and volunteer at. One of the charities I support. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:10:54 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House Who/What is this Best Friends? I must be missing something? Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
OT: Best Friends
Yes, their set ups for the dogs and cats are fantastic! Those animals are spoiled. I probably would never adopt from there because the cat probably would never want to leave! I will send a link to my trip at Best Friends. I might have to wait though. Yahoo Photos is closing, and I just transferred my photos there to Flickr, and it's taking a little time. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:25:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House www.bestfriends.org check 'em out.. All critters should be this lucky. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House Who/What is this Best Friends? I must be missing something? Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Yahoo! Photos is closing September 20th-need to transfer your photos if you have them there
Hey guys, I went in to look at my photos on Yahoo! that I had stored there, and they are closing Yahoo! photos soon. So if you have photos there, they won't be there anymore if you don't transfer them. They'll go into cyber space, lost forever. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: OT: Best Friends-found photos
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/wendy2724/my_photos Link to Best Friends photos and photos of Belle the day after we rescued her, so that's why she's emaciated. They finally let me into my old link, but I don't know how long it will work. You can view a slide show of the photos of Best Friends, which is better than clicking in and out of each one. The option is in the upper right hand corner after you click into the specific album. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:00:28 PM Subject: OT: Best Friends Yes, their set ups for the dogs and cats are fantastic! Those animals are spoiled. I probably would never adopt from there because the cat probably would never want to leave! I will send a link to my trip at Best Friends. I might have to wait though. Yahoo Photos is closing, and I just transferred my photos there to Flickr, and it's taking a little time. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:25:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House www.bestfriends.org check 'em out.. All critters should be this lucky. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House Who/What is this Best Friends? I must be missing something? Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: OT: Best Friends-found photos
Wow,that was cool! Thanks so much for sharing! Everything looked s clean! Wish I could keep my cat room enclosure that clean (my working gets in the way). For now,I have to just schdule certain things certain days, likeone day I do felv+ room,one day I do non felv+ bowls, Drinkwells, pull bedding. All litterboxes are on aschdule too. I liked how they had the laundry basket w/the blanket tied inside, Lord knows how much kitties like laundry baskets Now, don't they have a training camp too? It's like $1500. to go? One of my friends went years ago... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: Re: OT: Best Friends-found photos http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/wendy2724/my_photos Link to Best Friends photos and photos of Belle the day after we rescued her, so that's why she's emaciated. They finally let me into my old link, but I don't know how long it will work. You can view a slide show of the photos of Best Friends, which is better than clicking in and out of each one. The option is in the upper right hand corner after you click into the specific album. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:00:28 PM Subject: OT: Best Friends Yes, their set ups for the dogs and cats are fantastic! Those animals are spoiled. I probably would never adopt from there because the cat probably would never want to leave! I will send a link to my trip at Best Friends. I might have to wait though. Yahoo Photos is closing, and I just transferred my photos there to Flickr, and it's taking a little time. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:25:01 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House www.bestfriends.org check 'em out.. All critters should be this lucky. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House Who/What is this Best Friends? I must be missing something? Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. -- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: New to group; Questions
Hi Melody, The first thing is to make sure all of your negative cats are vaccinated and boostered. The next thing to consider would be the age of your negative cats. I have mixed positive and negative cats together for over 10 years now and never had anyone 'catch' leukemia from one of my positives. Non vaccinated cats and kittens are most susceptible to the virus. Vaccinated, adult cats will rarely turn up positive from exposure. In fact this has never happened that I know of where it could definitely be proven. Many on the list allow their positives and negatives to live together, as I do, under these circumstances, but some do keep their positives and negative separated for various reasons. If you choose to separate you really don't need to take many (if any) precautions. I know when I used to volunteer at the shelter we would have to 'bleach' our shoes when we went from one area to the other due to uri's, parvo, etc but that isn't necessary in the case of leukemia unless you have very young, unvaccinated kittens in your home. tonya Forgotten Souls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening, all! I'm new to this group, and came here in hopes I could get some feedback/advice on multicat homes with pos and neg cats. Specifically, I currently have neg cats, and am looking to assist a FeLeuk kitty. We have a nice size home, and have a large spare room that can be easily converted for a FeLeuk cat to be isolated from my neg guys. My major concerns really are what types of precautions will need to be taken to protect the neg cats from contracting it, and protecting the pos cat from any issues as well. I have been doing some extensive reading, and aside from common sense things (dedicated food dish, litterbox, etc, using bleach solutions to sanitize), what else should I be aware of to protect the cats from eachother? Pardon my questions if they come across as silly, I just want the best for these guys and don't want to place any undue harm on anys cats, or commit to something I can't do. How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Is there anything I should be doing when going between the FeLeuk room and my cats to prevent transmission (change clothes, etc)? If any of you have a set up like this, can you give me specifics on how you are making it work? How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? I think this should cover my barrage of questions for now. Any feedback on what to do is greatly appreciated. Thanks, everyone! Melody
