I really do not see what you can do at this point other than try the I-R.
Nothing else seems to be working well for him, and I-R has helped all the
other cats on this list who have had similar symptoms. I know I am at risk of
sounding like a broken record at this point, and I am feeling
Patti,
I am behind on emails, and just read about Cornelius. I am so sorry. I
lost my dog Chip in the same way-- we were on a walk and she fell over, cried
out once, and was gone. They said it must have been a heart problem. It is
such a shock, I know.
I have not seen any update on
the diarrhea might be from all the antibiotics. That happened to Lucy.
Metronidazole helped, but she had to come off the abx.
Michelle
The fact that he wants to eat means that his pain is not that bad. When they
are in a lot of pain they do not want to eat. So I think you are right to
hold off on the pain meds, and just see how he does. People, cats included,
can have strange reactions to anesthesia. My mom has had a lot
Kerry, I'm sorry.
Michelle
Sally, I am so sorry. Perhaps he had mediastinal lymphoma.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/25/2006 6:40:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am so sorry to tell everyone that Tiny just passed over. He had a
seemingly benign URI. Not really showing symptoms of being
I've heard of 2 who lived to 14, and two who lived to 10, and one to 9. I
lost one at 7, one at 5, and two younger, but have two who are over 5 years old
right now (knock on wood-- I get scared even writing it). It really varies.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/25/2006 11:52:07 P.M.
Slippery elm works really well, especially when it's boiled with a little
water into a syrup and syringed.
Michelle
I'm sure we all stress and cry a lot. some of us have medical problems of
our own that are probably caused or exacerbated by stress. And if you lose
enough animals, there is some sense of resignation that comes too, I think.
It
is not any less sad or upsetting, but the amount of crying
a lot of things can cause loose stool, but hair balls are probably not one
of them. they tend to cause constipation.
are you sure she has hair balls? cats with ibd (inflammatory bowel disease),
which my Lucy has, can vomit in a way that looks like they are hacking up
hair balls, and can
The way I have dealt with the fear of loss thing, in the past, is to tell
myself that when they are gone, all I will want is the chance to hold them and
pet them and smell them and talk to them again, and will feel like I would
give anything for 5 minutes of it. And look! they are still
actually, I think someone on this list had one who was vaccinated but turned
positive. And I am pretty sure that the shelter where my cats came from, at
which some of the positives live with negative ferals who are vaccinated, a
few of the ferals have turned positive over the years.
ok, so it may be hard to definitively prove that a negative cat, after being
vaccinated, became positive. But it can't be proved they haven't, either, so
if someone wants to be safe and not mix I would not discourage that. I don't
criticize anyone for mixing who does, but I also don't
There are meds for cats with heart conditions. My Snowball was on them. They
do not necessarily save them, but I think they can extend life in some
cases, and certain drugs like lasix can make them more comfortable if they get
fluid build-up.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:45:05
oh, i did not catch the problem. I have never heard of that problem. It
sounds like you are doing everything you can.
michelle
In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:53:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, the internist didn't feel it was bad enough for meds, or that
Dianne,
How is Asia doing?
Michelle
In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:00:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you for this. It reminded me of the day Asia was diagnosed with
FELV, even before the Lymphoma I was down in the dumps and wondering why
this
CCNU is another rescue drug like elspar that can help cats who have come
out of remission. I think that it puts smething like 50% of cats with lymphoma
back into remission after they have come out of it.
Also, I don't remember, but I don't think your vet's protocol includes
adriamycin,
You can actually just add bone meal powder, or use a pre-mixed supplement
like feline futures ( i have used this and the cats like it).
bone meal powder does not really add fiber, though. If anything, it
constipates if you give too much.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/26/2006 9:18:25
I don't know. all mine were a year or two old when tested. I have lost them
at all different ages. I think it just depends on the cats. It might be true
that it makes a difference if they are born with it versus contracting it
after the first weeks, though, since they have at least
Lucy responded to prednisone, and gets worse with processed foods, so we
concluded ibd without further testing, which I did not want to put her through.
I would actually try flagyl (metronidazole) before centrine. Lucy has been
on a low dose of it for almost 2 months now and has been way
Sally, you and yours have been through a lot. I am sorry for it. But glad
you are blessed with all of them, and them with you.
Michelle
I think fish oil, coq10, and essiac tea would probably be the best in terms
of fighting cancer. These can all e expensive, but there are sources to get
them pretty cheaply as well. For dogs, they think that arginine, an amino
acid, helps fight the lymphoma and make them feel better, and
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl
to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub
inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was
prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly
The Benadryl really works for Patches. But I think (dont remember for sure)
the dose is about 1/6 of a pill at a time, or 1/3 of a pill. I don't think
it is half a pill, but not sure. I get it compounded for her ears because she
is hard to pill and I was having to chase her around and
That's great to hear!
Michelle
In a message dated 12/30/2006 10:19:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you so much Nina and all who had sweet Marley,he is back at the
sanctuary and feeling much like himself.He looks up with me with those
beautiful
yellow eyes
There is some condition called militis, or something, that can cause itchy
scabs around the head. Robert McDowell, a really good herbalist in Australia,
had something about a treatment for it in his last newsletter. Here is his
website: _http://www.herbal-treatments.com.au/_
Sally,
It is impossible to know. My friend Yuki called me yesterday to tell me
that her cat Tiko, age 13 and negative, died while she was away for 3 days.
Her mom had been feeding him and said he was fine, then could not find him the
last day. Yuki came home and found him dead. She has
I would try just evo, and if it continues, I would ask the vet to try a week
course of metronidazole (flagyl) to clear up whatever is causing it.
Michelle
oops-- sorry, I had not read the original post. I see they are already on
metronidazole. Yes, then I would focus on diet.
Michelle
if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test sent out. Some parasites
and other things need specific treatment.
Michelle
Lysine and/or amoxicillin should get rid of it. If not, try Immuno-regulin
as well with the immune-compromised kitty. Sometimes lysine alone will get
rid of uri's.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/1/2007 7:06:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ugh. I come home
Hideyo, I just read this and am so, so sorry. I can not believe all your
losses. Please call if you ever need to talk.
Michelle
I did put a hot water bottle under a cushion, and she is laying on it. She
definitely has not had this symptoms before-- I can tell it is not something
she has had and hidden. She looks terrible. I don't have to wonder about
someone sneaking her anything-- I myself gave her dry evo for a few
Were Maris's symptoms constant, or only at a particular time of day? Lucy has
had colitis symptoms before, treated with pred and flagyl, just has never had
these episodes of a few hours a day of visible dicomfort. other times of day
she eats, etc., but this is the second time in 3 nights she
She was down to every other day at 1.25 mg, in the morning. I started giving
it to her twice a day, same dose, starting last night.
My guess is that it has to do with her digestion cycle. She has only been
moving her bowels at night, and maybe the food hits her colon around this time
and she
She still looks out of it, but I offered her the water bowl and she seemed
interested but then saw it was just water and looked at me. So I offered her
her
raw food, and she started eating. While laying down. I can't figure out what
she is feeling.
Michelle
The reglan actually seemed to make her feel worse-- very restless in addition
to discomfort. That can be a side effect of it.
She will not eat the mush anymore, no matter what. She does want her raw food
again, with the feline futures, and so she is eating that. She ate quite a
bit of it
Nina,
Has Gypsy ever had this thing of only feeling sick at a certain time of
day?
Michelle
In a message dated 1/1/2007 11:05:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Sweetie,
I'm sorry to hear Lucy is so uncomfortable. Gypsy has been acting a little
off the last few days
I spoke to my vet about lucy, and he did not see a reason to bring her in.
He agreed that her discomfort for a few hours in the evening is probably
related to her ibd and to up her flagyl and pred a little.
I have, though, probably irrationally, started worrying about wet FIP. Her
sides
Thanks to everyone who wrote to me. It has made me calmer. Lucy is eating
better and better, and gaining weight, and not feverish or acting sick in any
way other than seeming to feel some abdominal discomfort in the evenings. Her
belly is getting bigger, but she is also gaining weight back
Some cats get almost comatose from it. Two of mine have. Others are fine
with it, though. Two of mine just had stimulated appetites with no side
effects.
In a message dated 1/5/2007 8:23:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
.I am concerned that the periactin might
Oh my god, Kerry, I can't believe you have another loss so soon. I am so
terribly sorry.
Michelle
keep making sure that he pees and is not blocked.
Michelle
It sounds like the symptoms Kerry's Bandy was showing sometimes for months,
though it was attributed to him being positive. Fever and problems with one
back leg and lethargy.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/8/2007 10:21:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bandit is
I would do a course of flagyl at this point. I have never had a cat react
badly to it. For regular diarrhea, it always has cleared it up. For IBD,
which Lucy has and Ember might have, it works really well as an
anti-inflammatory.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/9/2007 6:05:30 P.M.
My Simon was helped by repeat transfusions, but he had lymphoma in his bone
marrow and just needed to buy time for the chemo to kick in, which it did.
What is the situation? If I were going to do transfusions, I would also do
steroids (pred or dex) and either epogen or acemannan, both of
suggest that she contact best friends. they do a lot in CA and can probably
direct her to someone helpful. Also emphasize that they probably do not have
fip.
Michelle
If you bring him to an internist, you might have an easier time convincing
them to try Epogen. You can also suggest to the vet that they try it as a
last attempt, with pred, since it has helped several cats on this list.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/10/2007 6:15:24 A.M. Eastern
how long is he going between transfusions, and how low has his pcv gone?
michelle
In a message dated 1/10/2007 6:15:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks for all of your replies, I'd love to hear about successes in treating
FELVs where the cat's bone marrow is
7 weeks, or even 4, is pretty good. I agree that there seems to be quality
life and that you are doing the right thing. I think you should try epogen,
though, and see if it helps. It really seemed to cure Belinda's Bailey's
anemia, which was not producing red cells, at least combined
Also, Dr. Mike Lees in Ohio, who wrote an article on Immuno-Regulin posted
on this group's website, claims that he has reversed FeLV-related anemia by
giving a high dose of I-R (1 ml) three times a week for two weeks. I and
others on this list have seen I-R work wonders for cats with
Lance,
What you are describing sounds like what Lucy has sometimes. It usually
means there is a problem in the colon or lower intestines, like colitis.
Bowels start normal and end loose. If there is every any red blood on the
outside, that is another sign.
I would not worry
Do you know for sure he has a fever-- are you taking his temp? If so, what
does it run? If you are going by how warm he feels, they can feel pretty warm
when they have been curled up sleeping. Their normal temp is so much higher
than ours that they usually feel warmer than us.
Michelle
You probably know by feel then. But you might want to take his temp once
while he is like that so you have a number to go with the way he feels to you.
for fevers I would suggest Immuno-regulin, but I think he is already on that,
right?
Michelle
In a message dated 1/12/2007 8:39:02 P.M.
Since the dose is so small, you probably want 1 ml syringes, which are
small. That is what I use. I have them left over from giving shots to one of
our
dogs who died a few years ago. I know that you can order needles without
prescription from some vet supply companies, like Revival. I am
Sherry, how are Ambrose and Yule doing? I think I remember you saying Marley
is better?
Michelle
In a message dated 1/7/2007 7:29:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi all just wanted to ask for healing prayers for these wonderful
boys.Marley my beautiful fuzzy
oh my gosh, I am so sorry. Neither amoxicillin nor periactin should do
anything like that.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/15/2007 1:40:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm so sad. My little Morgana died less than an hour ago. I noticed
something was not right
Lucy and Patches both have URI's. I am giving them both Lysine, I-R shots
sub-q (which does not seem to be as effective as IV but I have not wanted to
take them to the vet, and Patches passed out last time someone tried to do
something IV to her), and have Lucy on amoxicillin (only abx she
It is possible that it could be intestinal lymphoma, a kind of cancer that
FeLV+ cats are vulnerable to. If you can, you should take him to an
oncologist right away. Chemotherapy in cats is very effective with lymphoma
and not
hard on the cats the way chemo is for humans. Some cats can
the dox is a bit over one year expired and is pills. The zithromax is a
liquid and I have had it for 1.5 years but it does not have an expiration date
on
it.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/15/2007 9:43:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 05:32 PM 1/15/2007, you
Does anyone know the dosing for clavamox? I had it left over from it being
prescribed for Lucy a couple of months ago (had to stop it because of her ibd)
so am giving it to Patches. But Lucy is 8 pounds and Patches is over 11
pounds. I sort of remember Patches being prescribed more than one
I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it
was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml)
and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I
am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not.
I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3 in about half
an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin. I have been prepared to
take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work to go with me (he
is
on way). Now that it is going down some on its own and fluids
I took her temp again and it is down to 105.0 (was 105.7, then 105.3) and
she fought me this time, then ate some of her raw food afterwards (I brought it
to her, she still is just laying curled up). At this point I am going to
wait a half hour and take it again and see if it is down
I gave her fluids about an hour ago and assume that is part of what is
bringing it down. I also have had an ice pack under her (she is on a sleeping
bag
and I have it under the sleeping bag under her) for the last hour or so. I
have not tried the alcohol yet.
How is calici treated?
Her fever is now down to 104.5, and I realized that the ice was not cold
through the sleeping bag so moved it above the sleeping bag next to her wrapped
in a t-shirt. She ate more and seems more alert. I am actually surprised how
alert she is given that her temp is still so high, though
Thanks. I don't want to stress her by looking in her mouth right now (am
already taking temps hourly, has been half hourly), but she has not had any
discomfort eating so I don't think she has oral ulcers. I hope not, anyway!
She is having a slightly odd other symptom, though, and I can't
Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her head
against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her nose is cold an
wet,
and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the other ear, oddly enough, is
still very hot. not sure what is going on, but am relieved
Thanks, Phaerwyn. That sounds scary. I am not sure what to think. It is not
very exaggerated, but it does seem to happen with her pulse.
In a message dated 1/16/2007 10:34:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone
Phaerwyn, given what you found about rhythmic pupil dilation, do you think I
should be worried about that? If her fever is down in the morning do you
think I should take her in to the vet to check that out?
Thanks everyone. I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough the
last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so I
think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a
lot, came to lay with me, purring etc. Sorry for all the
I am the one who posted it, if there are any questions. I would try chemo
first and only do this if the cat comes out of remission (after trying rescue
chemo drugs that can spur second remissions, like ccnu) or if the cat does not
go into remission. But if chemo is not an option for one
Lucy's temp was normal this morning (101.6) but is now back up to 104.2 and
climbing, even though I gave her fluids over an hour ago when it was 103.6.
I am bringing her to the vet at 5 for an IV I-R shot. she is eating and
grooming, but lethargic. I asked the vet about using dex and he
I was taking them so frequently last night because it was so high and the ER
told me that if it stopped going down at any point I needed to bring her in.
I've taken it a total of 3 times since last night, once this am and twice
this afternoon. I will not take it again for a few hours.
Lucy's temp spiked to 106.7 tonight so I took her to the ER. They did blood
work and her HCt is at 18 and her bun and liver enzymes are low. They took
xrays and it looked to them (ER doctors, who I don't really trust to read
xrays
totally correctly) like she has fluid in her abdomen and an
The oncologist and internist can not figure out what is wrong with her. The
things that can cause abdominal fluids are lymphoma, FIP, a ruptured
intestine, pancreatitis, and other infection. She has some symptoms of each,
but not
enough of any of them to make it seem like the diagnosis.
I think they did not want to give her dex because there is the possibility
that she is fighting some kind of bad infection, and dex is contraindicated for
that. Or that she has some kind of ulceration in her intestines, which dex
is also contraindicated for. I asked for it, believe me. I
I want to also. She is curled up sleeping now, but her back legs seemed very
unsteady when she stood up to change position, and it seemed like she kind
of collapsed back onto the towel. Apparently paresis, or rear leg paralysis,
can be a neurological sign of FIP, so this is scaring me. Of
Lucy may have FIP, in which case her only hope, small in that, is feline
interferon. From my past experience, it can take a few months to get via FDA
dispensation. Does anyone have some I could buy and then try to replace?? When
I
had it, I send some to someone else on this list...
I don't actually have all the numbers. According to the oncologist, her
liver enzymes were actually not that low-- he does not think she has a liver
problem. The fluid is clear and thin, not yellow or tacky like most FIP
fluid.
This is why everyone is so confused. She may have something
Red Bank called to say that now I do not have a return appointment for
tomorrow, that the cytology reports won't be back until tomorrow, and that I
will
get a call tomorrow morning after the oncologist and internist look at the
reports, with a plan. Meanwhile, this morning Lucy is not
How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no
reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the
Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She seemed
feverish, so a while later I gave her some fluids. She then ate a small handful
of
dry EVO on her own. She is just laying there now. She is not grooming. She is
definitely worse day by day. That said, she looked
Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some
from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind of
doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around.
her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to
I don't know if she is comfortable. When she is feverish, she definitely
isn't. At other times it is hard to tell if she is just weak or also nauseous
or
painful somewhere. The oncologist said he does not think she has any pain.
Maybe it is just fatigue from the anemia and the fevers. She
Her HCT was 18 when last tested night before last. They generally only
transfuse cats if it gets down to 13 or below. I think part of the reason is
the
potential reaction to the transfusion (they can have an allergic reaction)
and part of the reason is a general shortage of cat blood so
What is it that you think you did in panic and regret? Knowing this may help
me with the decisions I am making.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 2:51:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Michelle,
I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will
they don't have a sample anymore. I asked them to run the reticulites from
any blood they have, this morning, and they said they don't have any.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 3:19:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can you have the run the blood type with the
She just ate a bunch of little pieces of turkey deli slice, then ate a few
more pieces of dry EVO. Her nose was stuffy and now is runny (am using vicks
vaporizer and neosenephrine) so that may have made the difference. I think
that she does have a URI on top of whatever else she has, and I
She's on I-R. I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I thought was
helping, but then she spiked a fever anyway. So I brought her in to the
local vet on Wed and got her .25 ml IV. Her fever spiked highest later that
night. If I kept her on it she would not be due for another shot
No. Those fever spikes, if they happen, happen immediately after getting it,
last about a half hour, and then go away and don't come back. She has
gotten I-R in the past for URI's without getting any fever at all from it. And
now
she gets fevers on and off all day whether or not it is a
Cindy, what dose IV I-R did you give smoky? The vet in Ohio gives a whole ml
at a time, which is what I gave to Patches when she had pneumonia and to
Ginger. It helped them a lot, but Ginger had a very high fever spike right
afterwards. The company recommends .25 ml, which is what I gave
Craig Clifford.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's
not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me.
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and
I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims
(periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news though--
Gray
bought her some dry i/d and she got all excited and has eaten a bunch of it
several times. At this point I think she has had at least
Well, there are two possibilities as to why he is more patient with you: 1)
you are less annoying than I am (extremely possible), or 2) Emily actually has
cancer and he doesn't think Lucy does (though I am wondering if the pred she
has been on is masking it, as no other diagnosis fully
That is what is listed in the medications books, but the company material
says .25 cc. Maybe I should try a higher dose?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:40:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The recommended doses I see is 1/2 to 1 cc IV is the very best route
I
actually, I don't have the book I saw that in, and all I can show the vet is
the company info which says .25 so he did not want to do more. Can you send
me info or a link or a citation to where it says 1/2 to 1?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:40:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL
So I have this new theory that maybe Lucy's symptoms result from IBD and a
URI. I read in Merck vet manual (I think-- it is written for vets so
technical and hard to understand) that IBD can cause anemia and fluid
distension in
the stomach. Anemia can cause heart murmer and enlargement
Oh, I have read most of the posts about Emily. I forgot-- sorry. I am glad
she is doing well.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/19/2007 9:00:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As for Emily, she has mammary gland cancer. She had two surgeries and she
is getting
How would you have treated the pancreatitis had you known?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:13:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Remember too Bailey was anemic, no fluid in the belly but his anemia was
symptomatic of his undiagnosed pancreatitis which ended up being
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