Re: [Felvtalk] Too little appetite
she might ahve a sore in her mouth. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Maryam Ulomi wrote: Hello everyone, Kitty, our little 19 months old FeLV positive cat, has for the past three days been eating less than usual. I have tried all sort of new canned foods but she eats a little bit and then walks away. She will eat maybe 1/3 of what she would normally eat in one meal then walk away sometimes she comes back to it but mostly she will want something else. If I give it to her in a new bowl she might it or not. She has not stopped eating all together but I'm concerned that she is not eating as much as previously. She plays, poops and pees, does not hide, is otherwise her usual adorable self. Has anyone seen these signs before? I don't know if i should take her to the vet or wait. Thanks, Malls and Kitty. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
I don't know if it helps, but my FeLV+ kitty gets anemic from time to
time and I ahve had wonderful results with Pet-Tinic. It is a liquid
vitamin with iron. The vets all used to carry it, but I got my last
bottle for Amazon and it is cheap. Carolyn
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Margo wrote:
Hi Susan,
I haven't dealt with anemia in FeLV+ cats, but have
with other causes. That's the problem, there are so many possible
reasons for the anemia. Without knowing what's actually causing it, it's
tough to treat. sensibly. I'd always include B vitamins and an iron
source. You don't give the actual HCT, so this may not apply;
From http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
Unfortunately t he reticulocyte test (which at most laboratories only
measures aggregate reticulocytes) is unlikely to be reliable unless the
anaemia is relatively severe . A naemia needs to be prett y bad before a
brisk regenerative response is considered necessary by the cat's body ,
so there is little point test ing for reticulocytes unless the PCV has
been below 20% for five days or longer. In addition, most vets cannot
test reticulocytes in house, so the test has to be sent out to a lab,
which takes more time. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
Because of this, some vets simply assume that a CKD cat with anaemia is
suffering from non-regenerative anaemia caused by a lack of
erythropoietin production and treat accordingly. For cats with milder
anaemia (PCV above 20%), they may recommend B vitamins. For cats with
PCV below 20%, it is trickier. In these cases, the anaemia is a more
urgent problem and you need to act quickly , especially if your cat
seems poorly, so your vet may recommend the use of Erythropoiesis
Stimulating Agents (ESAs) http://www.felinecrf.org/esas.htm (Epogen,
Aranesp etc . ), which are used for non-regenerative anaemia caused by a
lack of erythropoietin production. I n view of the possible risks
associated with this treatment, you might wish to wait five days and
have the reticulocyte test done to be sure you really are dealing with
non-regenerative anaemia ; but on the other hand, ESAs take up to two
weeks to start taking effect, so waiting may be risky because your cat
will not be feeling well and the anaemia may worsen while you wait.
If possible, I'd ask what other causes the Vet thinks
possible, and rule them out. If it's FeLV related, I don't think basic
treatment would be any different, but it might help to rules some
options out or in.
Sorry I can't be more help, I'll keep looking.
Margo
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Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a
positive
who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local
shelter...she had
begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been
tested
when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was
positive but
no followup care or testing was done.
We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not
bad
enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely
non-regenerative.
We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she
came in
with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her
life
will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well.
SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what
do you
recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have
always
found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only
marginally with Felv.
Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamins Recommendation
I give my cats Pet-Tinic, Wei Qi Booster, and Standard Process Feline Support. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Lance wrote: Check http://onlynaturalpet.com. They should have a lot to choose from. Thorne Research seem to be a good brand (I’m taking one of their multivitamins), and they make pet vitamins as well. I’ve never given Ember vitamins. She’s only gotten DMG, interferon, and Transfer Factor, and the only one of those we’ve been consistent with is interferon. How are your cats doing, Kasia? Lance On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:28 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Group, I was wondering if anyone could recommend good vitamins for felv+ cats? Thank you so much, Kasia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear
Praying for your babies health.
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia,
where he is killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did
not keep him on a high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed
again. Now he is really bad. I don't know what his chances are at this
point, but I do not think they are good, though the vets say he can turn
around. He just got a transfusion and they are starting him on
cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And doxycycline.
Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as
many issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for
feline interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is
good for is prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he
responds well to the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
thank you,
Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils
I have given it to several of my cats from time to time (Clindanycin). I didn't know it was bad tasting. My cats tolerated it very well. And with mouth sores, I administer it on the side of the mouth with the sore. When cats have mouth sores, a liquid works better than pills. It hurts less to swallow. I give them liquid vitamins, plus a solution of pedialyte and liquid fish oil at the same time. On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Margo wrote: Clindrops is likely Clindamycin. It has several trade names, including Antirobe. Also comes in little tiny pills. The liquid tastes foul, but is better cold, s refrigerate it. Try to follow it with something tasty. It is good for mouth issues, as well as abcesses, and some types of pneumonia. One I try to keep on hand. HTH Margo -Original Message- From: trustinhi...@charter.net Sent: Dec 21, 2013 1:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils I gave my Pookie Clin Drops (short for clin...something). Very economical. Works well for infections that are in the mouth or tissues. Very economical. I also took him for acupuncture. Carolyn On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: Hi all, Off topic or a new one. My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time. My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it. It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis. Please help! Jen On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote: One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive. He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him. Lorrie On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: The only ones I've had with uneven pupils are Felv cats, and then only a couple. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils
praying fro Schmoo
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Katherine K. wrote:
We tapped Shmoo's lungs last night for fluid. Drew out about 90ml
total. He
had a rough night coming off the anesthesia but was better this
morning.
Still a little labored in breathing but not as bad as before the tap
and I
was so glad to see him purring and stretching happily. But he mostly
relaxed/laid around today, unlike his 2 active siblings. Vet said the
fluid
will likely refill in a few days so we just spend as much time with
him as
we can while we wait. I'm unable to search the archives right now but
isn't
there anything else I can do to make the fluid stop? Didn't expect to
lose
another one so soon after Terence. He's so innocent.
Katherine
On Friday, December 20, 2013, Lance wrote:
Anisocoria can be an indicator of FeLV presence, though I don’t think
it
indicates progression of the disease in any way that we know about.
Ember
developed anisocoria almost five years ago, when she was seven. I
haven’t
taken her to a specialist, but we ruled out toxo. At times, the vet
has
thought that the pupil has gotten a bit smaller, but I’ve never seen
a real
change.
Lance
On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Katherine K.
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Hi everyone,
I just noticed my 10 year old FeLV cat, Krammer, has uneven pupils.
He had
a winky/weepy eye a couple of weeks ago for a few days, where he had
some
drainage and one eye was squinty with a smaller pupil. It cleared up
on
it's own after a few days (I give him lysine). A day or two ago it
came
back, this time the other eye (if I recall correctly). The affected
eye is
squinty, third eyelid shows a little, and one pupil is small while
the
other pupil looks normal. I'm not sure if this is just a herpes
flare up,
or something else. He first tested positive about 6 months ago. I
found the
term anisocoria while searching this list archives. Gonna research a
little more.
Second question:
One of my 8 month old FeLV kittens, Shmoo, began having what I would
call
labored or heavy breathing 2 days ago. I can see his sides and nose
moving
as he breathes. He is a little less active, and last night he
coughed/wheezed a little and his paw pads, usually pink (he's a white
cat),
looked slightly purple, like he's not getting enough oxygen. He
looked pink
again this morning. Gonna take him in, but wanted to mention it here
too in
case anyone has input.
Thanks,
Katherine
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
Pookie had his mouth sore on the side down next to his tongue. The vet saw it. I didn't. They won't let you look becasue it hurts for them to open the On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: Hi Jen, stomatitis isn't limited to older cats at all! It can have many causes, but cause can be hard to pin down. It's an immune problem and also is more common in FIV+ cats. However, other cats can and do get it. Some vets feel that it may be caused by calici virus.I have one who had severe stomatitis and did end up having a full mouth extraction done by a veterinary dental specialist. Very expensive, over $4,000 and believe me I am going to be paying for that for a very long time! The bad smelling breath is one sign. It's really bad, too! Try looking in the mouth, if it is stomatitis you will see really angry red inflammation, sometimes it's worse in the throat area. Also wanted to add my two cents on the small pupil thing. Sounds a lot like Horners Syndrome, which is usually linked to an ear problem. The very same cat of mine that had the stomatits also had Horners last summer. It really isn't harmful and usually clears on its own in a few weeks. I treated Stacy's ear infection with OTC medicine and it went away. Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils
I gave my Pookie Clin Drops (short for clin...something). Very economical. Works well for infections that are in the mouth or tissues. Very economical. I also took him for acupuncture. Carolyn On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: Hi all, Off topic or a new one. My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time. My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it. It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis. Please help! Jen On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote: One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive. He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him. Lorrie On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: The only ones I've had with uneven pupils are Felv cats, and then only a couple. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Said goodbye to Terence (and also got a bite!)
so very sorry about baby terrence. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Katherine K. wrote: We said good bye to one of our 8 month old FeLV kittens, Terence, yesterday. He had been declining for a couple of weeks and was very thin, and definitely not as active has his 3 siblings still are. We tried making him eat wet food but it just wasn't working and the last day or two we didn't hear any purring. So we felt it was time for him to be in a better place. As the vet was giving him the first injection to anesthetize him he squirmed around and bit me on the first knuckle and cuticle area of my finger. I've been scratched millions of times by cats and know how to clean scratches, but had never actually been bitten. I had been following this thread all weekend so I let it bleed out, then cleaned it up after we got home with him. Overnight my finger swelled up and looks infected, and I have a strange pain in my armpit (same arm) that I'm wondering if it's related. I took a couple of Cephalexin doses but I'm going to the doc this morning since it's still pretty painful and swollen. We've had Terence and his siblings since they were 2 weeks old back in April. Yesterday was a bittersweet day but I'm relieved knowing he's no longer languishing. I'm also grateful for this listserv. Katherine -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control
You don't have to put the full dose on the kitty to get some results. I also use program on some of my cats that I cannot put a topical on. Foster and Smith carries Program and you can order it online. I go to their outlet store in Rhinelander, WI and get it for a reduced price when some packages are damaged. I wouldn't do advantage multi...very strong. But I have used Revolution and Frontline in the past with good results. I also vacuum with regular table salt and/or baking soda on the carpets...kills the luittle buggers cause their eggs dry up. Just apply a little salt/baking soda, wait 30 minutes and vacuum. Carolyn On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK, and I get it from amazon. It is one of the least toxic flea treatments available, and that's why I use it. It's a creamy substance that you mix in their food. I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems. I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness. I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat. Be sure to change bedding daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy. You could also look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort to work though. Good luck...Tracey On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote: I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been so aggressive. Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months old and healthy considering. *-- Have YOU Heard About It Yet??? www.JonahsPlace.org http://www.JonahsPlace.org* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha
Shelley, I have mentioned this before but I give my Pookie Wei Qi recommended by my holistic vet for immune support. I give him (and the other cats) one tea (tiny) pill a day for immune health. It is resonable in cost and there are 200 pills in the bottle, so it lasts a lot. It is an Eastern herb. Just a thought if you want to get some from a holistic vet. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Shelley Theye wrote: Lance, Thanks so much for explaining the difference between the 2 interferons. I did not realize that there were 2 types. I had asked Leo's new vet about using it as a preventative, and since she could easily get interferon, now I know that it was the human one. Anyway, he is not symptomatic right now, so the only thing I give him occasionally is Lysine. Shelley Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Lance wrote: I think the de Mari feline recombinant interferon omega study was done with symptomatic FeLV+ cats. I think. If I already had interferon omega and Ember was symptomatic, I would definitely try it. I know very little about what is suggested with LTCI (symptomatic vs. asymptomatic for treatment). Their website should mention this. To clarify, there are two types of interferon given for FeLV+ cats: 1) interferon alpha (a product for humans that has anecdotally shown promise, but studies have failed to verify this) and 2) feline recombinant interferon omega (anecdotal evidence AND studies have shown promise). It’s easy to get #1 from pretty much any vet. They can write a prescription and have it filled by Roadrunner or another pharmacy that does drugs/compounding for pets. It’s also cheap. I think it’s ~$40 for a month and a half supply using the 5 days on/5 days off protocol. It’s somewhat difficult and expensive to get #2.Your vet has to go through an FDA program that used to be called Compassionate Use. This allows your vet clearance to import feline recombinant interferon omega, which they need, as it’s not sold in the US. There’s paperwork involved, though I don’t think it’s horrible. A dedicated, compassionate vet will do this for you. You then have to pay (through your vet) Abbeyvet In England for the drug and the overnight shipping—overnight from England. When I last priced this, it was ~$1300 for the drug and the shipping. I believe this is for something like 15 doses, but that’s all you give in a year, according to the established protocol. At least with feline recombinant interferon omega, you know you have something that has been proven to work, unlike other drugs I could mention. Will it produce results for a particular FeLV+ cat? Maybe? If Pookie is doing well, then I agree: don’t rock the boat. You might still look into what it would take to get feline recombinant interferon omega imported. Your vet might never have heard of it, and it might be useful to ask them to look into it. If you decide to do it down the road, you have that much less work to do to get it here. On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:48 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when he was seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the FELV+ kitties need to be symptom free before they administer this? Also is this the same with the interferon shots? And does anyone know who administers interferon in Wisconsin? My inclination is if it isn't broken don't fix it...If Pookie is doing well, I don't want to mess with him. And he is doing great now since he had acupuncture. Seems so hit or miss with all this?? On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI)? Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: http://goo.gl/uT6Evb not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the official recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, more research is needed. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha
I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when he was seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the FELV+ kitties need to be symptom free before they administer this? Also is this the same with the interferon shots? And does anyone know who administers interferon in Wisconsin? My inclination is if it isn't broken don't fix it...If Pookie is doing well, I don't want to mess with him. And he is doing great now since he had acupuncture. Seems so hit or miss with all this?? On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote: Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI)? Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: http://goo.gl/uT6Evb not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the official recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, more research is needed. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] need home for FELV cat in Ft. Smith, Arkansas
Praying someone takes this little one. FELV+ is not a death sentence. On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Lance wrote: I’m in Fort Smith, but I can’t take anyone in right now. I’ll do some checking with my limited contacts and see if I come up with an option. If the woman would like to talk to an FeLV+ owner, I’d be happy to email or call. On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: A friend's mother has taken in an FELV cat in Ft Smith, Arkansas. They found out when she was on the table being spayed. Her daughter talked her out of euthanizing the kitty. I told her I'd help look for a home for this kitty. Lance, are you still in that area? I know there used to be a Missouri rescue, also, that took FELV cats, too. Thanks for any suggestions! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats
Lance, My Bell had the same condit On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Lance wrote: Hi all, My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, and stomach. I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she went in a month ago. I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats
Lance, My Bell had the same condition. She was an older cat and not FELV+. I tried the steroid shots several times. It would clear up for a few weeks after and then back again. I finally found vet who knew how to treat her with prednisone -- a fairly strong dose, for over 2 weeks. It cleared up and never came back. It isn't fleas. Carolyn On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Lance wrote: Hi all, My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, and stomach. I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she went in a month ago. I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats
Yes, it was two tablets a day as I remember. She wasn't on then longmaybe two weeks. But it all cleared up beautifully. She had allergy issues so bad there were times when she was just raw all over. I am pretty sure it was prednisone or other steroid meds. My vet is in southern Illinois if that helps. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Lance wrote: Hi Carolyn, Was the pred given in tablet form? I haven’t had to use any steroids on any animal so far. Thanks, Lance On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:47 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: Lance, My Bell had the same condition. She was an older cat and not FELV+. I tried the steroid shots several times. It would clear up for a few weeks after and then back again. I finally found vet who knew how to treat her with prednisone -- a fairly strong dose, for over 2 weeks. It cleared up and never came back. It isn't fleas. Carolyn On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Lance wrote: Hi all, My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, and stomach. I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she went in a month ago. I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats
where do you get Vetericyn VF in gel form? On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:13 PM, KG BarnCats wrote: My FIV+ diabetic foster Boo came to me very skinny with the fur licked off his belly and back legs. The vet office where he had been office cat (until his FIV status was discovered) tried steroids, diet changes etc. I transitioned him to balanced homemade raw food. The transition in his case amounted to putting a plate in front of him, and his fur quickly back in thick and plush. He has gained quite a bit weight and looks great now, aside from a chronic weepy eye. For the dermatitis / lesions, I would personally start with Vetericyn VF (vet strength version) in the hydro gel format since that clings better. It kills fungus, bacteria, viruses etc. I've had very good luck with that. That will help in the interim til you can discover the underlying cause. KG On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Lance I had a cat with perseveration licking who removed all the fur under her front leg. No one ever found a root cause and the only thing the vet could think of was a steroid shot. That was 23 years ago! My Martha did not have FeLv that we knew of. She lived to be nearly 21 years old. The steroids helped but did not cure her problem. This doesn't directly answer your question, but I offer it in case it helps. Your obvious care for Ember is so touching. Best of luck. Bonnie Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi all, My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, and stomach. I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she went in a month ago. I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening
Lee, SO, so sorry about precious little Bunny. It doesn't sound like
there was anything you could have done. In my experience it is very
difficult for a healthy adult kitty to catch the virus from a virus+
kitty. I have 13, one is positive (though not symptomatic). It's in his
bone marrow. He's 6 1/2. He has been tested several times, and though
unsyptomatic, has always tesdted positive. Test all you kitties and
then relax. Theya re probably okay. Carolyn
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Lee Evans wrote:
She came to me two and a half years ago when she was around 9 months
old. She had been abandoned at an apartment complex, rescued but then
tested FeLv+. She was brought to me to see if she would turn negative.
She did! I kept her anyway because she had a few bad habits, like biting
my fingers when I was sleeping and trying to tear apart my iPod
headphones. She was very mischievous. I named her Bunny because she was
brought to me on Easter Sunday. She has lived with me and two other
cats in my bedroom/home office since that Easter in 2011. About two
weeks ago I noticed a change in her behavior. She no longer pestered
Delilah, the resident female cat in the room and she seemed to lose
interest in sleeping on the bed with me and Samson and Delilah (the two
other cats in the room). However she was eating normally and nothing
else seemed out of place. I assumed that it was the change in the
weather from very hot to nice, cool evenings and then to rain. On
Saturday of last week she seemed lethargic. She was not eating her usual
amount of food and not drinking her usual amount of water. I checked her
gums to see if it might be stomatitis or some bad tooth upsetting her
but her gums were very pale and so was her tongue. I immediately thought
it was flea anemia. I took her to the vet on Tuesday because Monday is
usually very busy with dogs there. She was more lethargic and depressed
by then and her appetite had all but disappeared. She was still drinking
water. She had no fleas so I asked the vet to re-test her for FeLv. Sure
enough, she was positive. She had all the classic symptoms of active
FeLv. I was heart broken but still, I asked him to give her some meds to
make her more comfortable and perhaps get back her appetite. He gave
her cortisone. Today, she was no better. She just lay on her towel and
couldn't make it to the litter box although it was just a few steps
away. I took her in again and he gave her some fluids, not too much
because he said it would make her even more anemic. He gave her a little
more cortisone to try to kick start her appetite. I had been syringe
feeding her by then. He also gave her a small dose of Convenia and some
B-complex but nothing helped. She passed several hours after the vet
visit. I probably should have had him help her pass but I just didn't
want to give up hope.
There is a question here, in all this upsetting dialog. My other two
cats who slept with me and Bunny and groomed each other, ate with each
other, drank and used the same litter box are around 7 years old. The
vet told me that once they are into adulthood, they are not as likely to
get FeLv as they would if they were under 2 years old. Is this true? I
will have them tested in about 3 weeks anyway to see what happened, if
anything. Also, has anyone had the experience of a young cat throwing
off the virus and turning negative, then turning positive again after a
year, or was that second test after I had held her in isolation for 4
months a false negative?
Right now I'm fostering a kitten who has tested negative for FIV/FeLv.
She is several rooms away from where Bunny has lived. They never came in
contact with each other but I have walked from my bedroom into the
kitten's room to feed, clean, etc.. Did I put her at risk?
This is desperately upsetting. I have decided not to take in any more
fosters with FeLv. I have never had this happen before. Most of my
turned cats are still with me and are well into several years of
adulthood. I usually don't have good results with getting turned cats
adopted because most people don't want the possibility that the cat is
harboring the disease. Maybe Bunny had it in her bone marrow and tested
negative on the regular SNAP test. I should have tested with the IFA
also but don't have much money to spare.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums
Katherine, he may be slightly anemic? Have you ever used Pet-tinic? It
is a liquid vitamin. Vets used to carry it. I got mine at a good price
from Amazon. It's cheap. I think it is has iron in it. and it works for
my FEV+ kitty who every now an then has pale gums. Carolyn
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Katherine K. wrote:
Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
problem - pale gums.
One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little
skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I
checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3
siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine
and getting wet and dry food.
I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet.
Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so
than usual.
Katherine
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums
also preservatives. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Beth wrote: Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at the deli counter has onions or garlic added. Beth Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins B12, B6 and Thiamine, among other vitamins. The belief is that this supplement will help the animal produce more RBCs. There is also a product called Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals. It does, however, have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of. Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins. It's works by boosting the immune system's response. FeLV+ felines are at greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by boosting the immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better. I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive. It could have been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its own. However, it also didn't hurt. Several people on this forum have used one or the other or both and have had success with them. I truly believe that if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover with the help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;) -A On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amanda, Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor? Thanks, Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Katherine, I definitely have to back Heather here. Pale gums and eating litter are very indicative of anemia. Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli, started licking walls and clay planters. She slowly lost interest in her toys and food. By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely anemic. The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat her. She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms. We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering. She fought through the anemia but we lost her to FIP five months later. I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible. The earlier you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, definitely. I would get him in asap (today). This is a worry with any kitty and especially felv+ kitties. Last time someone told me their cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried). Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely worriesome. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of anemia..missing a mineral or something. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near death. I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap. FELV+ cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice. Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed quickly. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote: Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite problem - pale gums. One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting wet and dry food. I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than usual. Katherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Jennifer, My Pookie was diagnosed when he was 2 years old, and the virus showed up after I had him neutered. I took him to a vet who told me his blood count was 4.5, that it was in his bone marrow, and he would not live out the week. Unable to stand, I brought him home and nourished him the best I could. The vet gave me a huge bottle of amoxicillan and basically said good luck. I fed him broth through a syringe. Pushed vitamins (Petinic), water, DMG, etc. He recovered. My miracle boy. He is still with me at age 6 1/2. Praise God! Don't give up. I have had great results with a holistic vet and accupuncture this summer. He had a fare up. I don't know how it works but it does. I also give him Wei Qi (way chee) a herb that helps his immune system. Better than DMG which is for humans. I found he wasn't eating becasue he had a sore in his mouth. Sometimes the vets won't check for a sore in the mouth. They won't eat or drink if it hurts. ClinDrops (clindamycin) worked for that. I will be praying for you. Carolyn On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
And always use a syringe with a lot of liquid to the food. They will
fight you, but anything you can get down is a plus. I used baby food
mixed with non-flavored Pedialyte. Put her in her own room, on a bed
away from the others. Go in every two hours to feed her some fluids.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM, katskat1 wrote:
Good info Margo. You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating
quickly
Jennifer and force feed if necessary. Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at
the
very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several
different
types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and
when.
Good luck.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:
Hi Jennifer,
My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .
If you think about what a hangover feels like (or
have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand
how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her
blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of
whack?
Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even
minor
illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start
even
before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.
Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her
going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's
possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her
kidneys,
and if an antibiotic could be tried.
I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was
first
diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which
we
brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to
97. I
did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved
him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at
that
time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You
might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case
he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally
has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The
truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of
my
efforts.
My advice would be to try to resolve the
dehydration,
get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use
Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and
quiet,
and love her.
All the best,
Margo
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hey all-
This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has
never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only
recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just
within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and
only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems
very
unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked
her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were
elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably
related to
possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her
home.
I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and
that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while
she was
alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if
any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to
pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left.
I'm
sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the
most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on
to live
a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or
information
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks all,
Jennifer
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To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
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Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her :-(
That is good. You can offer Pedialyte with the water. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jennifer Ballew wrote: Well she is still drinking water for now, albeit not very much. So I guess that's something. Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 6:07 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Good info Margo. You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating quickly Jennifer and force feed if necessary. Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at the very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several different types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and when. Good luck. On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote: Hi Jennifer, My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info . If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack? Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG, probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even before we get to the Vet, with her blessing. Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys, and if an antibiotic could be tried. I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was first diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which we brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97. I did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics (there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my efforts. My advice would be to try to resolve the dehydration, get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and quiet, and love her. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew ** Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI?
Dotty, I can't say enough about accupuncture. You will need to find a holistic vet in your area. Not only do they cure the problems but they presrcibe immune system support as well as other herbs. Where do you live? Carolyn On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi everyone out there. It's me again - Dotty. With another cat problem. But first, an update on Tiger. I want you all to know that because of your help and support and advice and financial assistance, Tiger is a success story. He was vetted last year by me and finally given to my sister in law. He has overcome his gum issues with the FIV and wheezing problem finally. He has a wonderful, loving home with my sister in law and niece as an indoor cat. He has filled out and is very healthy and happy. I owe a part of his success to you - to the people who were able to contribute to his costly care. And to everyone in this group - a wonderful group full of supportive people and full of advice, stories and a wealth of tried and true information. Thank you all. Dotty Winkler Back to my cat at home - Shamus - 10 + YO male. Stray i took in last year to save. Had urinary crystals. Cured of that with surgical procedure. However, contracted Staph and E coli infec from the catheterization and surgical prc. . Hospitalized at vet with IV fluids and sent home with anti b however is having a hard time throwing this off. Are there any homeopathic remedies for this that you all could recommend? What are yourexperiences with this? Thank you, worried about Shamus - Dotty From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I just figured our kitties are fine and we’re hunkering down getting ready for Fall! From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 12:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? Yahoo. was having some problems a few weeks ago. Sometimes nobody, thankfully, is having any problems. Sometimes no news is good news Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From:kat merrykatme...@email.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days.. It has been quiet. Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Lee Evans Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was sending back my messages with the information that the address no longer exists. What gives? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Lee makes a point, You probably do not want to mix a FL+ cat with others if that cat is a fighter. My Pookie is a total marshmellow. And he doesn't even like to mingle with the other cats. He'll be in the same room with them, but never grooms or lies next to them. Also this summer when he was symptomatic, he was separated into his own room. I have heard that what most often kills FL+ cats is an infection that they cannot fight because the virus attacks their immune system. My holistic vet, besides the accupuncture, has proscribed Wei Qi (Way chee) for his immune system. He is also on Standard Process Feline Immune System Support. The regular vets will not know about these (sadly). The Baytril (regular vet) knock out what secondary infection he came up with, and the accupuncture and these other herbs brought him to full health. Because the holistic vet was so helpful, I would recommend them to anyone. No kiddingone day he was not eating and running a tempthe day after the accupuncture, he jumped on my lap, had a cold nose, and started eating. I don't care how it works.but it did for him. Grateful mom.. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Lee Evans wrote: What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. I also found a wonderful person who had had losses from feline leukemia but was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I begged her to take ( I think she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed. From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Hi, Thanks for describing your cats' histories. Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting? However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote: From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV shelter, a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. --
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
I agree with Lee completely. It angers me that someone can get through Vet school and still not be knowledgable about this disease. I rescued a male cat, two years old, and only then learned he was FelV+ after he was neutered. He has thrown off the virus twice. He is over 6 now. mingels with my other rescues and no one has gotten sick. Killing kittens becasue they carry the virus (or some test says they ahve it) is irresponsible. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten. From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate. The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and Journey were the only ones left. Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with feline leukemia, killed virus. --Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Shelley.. I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: Hi Lee, Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives vaccinated for FeLV? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he was again negative. He's still with me. Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little street stray. From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Lee, Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have that threw off the virus? Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months before they ever were tested? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really
Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
What is a hemobart? On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Beth wrote: He was not good last night when I got home. He barely lifted his head. I wasn't sure he would still be alive this morning. He seems perkier this morning. I'm home all day so we will see how it goes. dlg...@windstream.net wrote: How is Bubba doing now? JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com wrote: He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you.. --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on the tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on. I'll add him to the purrayers list. Best wishes to you and Bubba, Lance On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either. He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar AD. On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight spend some one-on-one time with him. Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bad News
Sorry Amanda. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Beth wrote: So sorry, Amanda. Thank you for taking such good care of Polli. You both are in my thoughts. Beth Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Amanda, so sorry to hear about Polli. I'll say a prayer for her, that her journey and transition are easy. And for you, that the pain of loss heals quickly. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amanda K. Payne Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 5:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News Hi everyone, We took Polli in to a new vet today to get something new to treat her URI. She had a bad reaction to Clavamox and we were looking for a new vet who would be more aggressive and open minded with her treatments. We found a great vet, one I used to go to when I lived on the other side of town. He was optimistic about her treatment and was confident we could get her over this URI. However, he noticed that her belly is distended. He did a tap and diagnosed her with FIP (another disease I have already dealt with before). Her skin and gums are also very jaundiced. He says it appears her body is shutting down. We made an appointment to euthanize her at our home tomorrow afternoon. She's been on a decline for the past two weeks and feel it's time to help her go. Please keep us in your thoughts. Best, -Amanda -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
Praying that Lucky heals. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today. The great news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some arthritis in his back). He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract. They did not see any crystals. The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks very inflamed. So they gave him a shot of an anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye. Poor little dude, he sure went through a lot today! Now he's home, getting re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling. Looks like I've got a FLUTD feline here. They gave me a prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD). Fingers crossed. Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and encouragements. Lucky thanks you too! Bonnie -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
I have a FelV+ cat who is 6 1/2. He has lived in a household with 13 other cats for over 4 years. He has not had any symptoms of disease in all those years except this summer. He was fighting off something, on antibiotics and acupuncture, and I isolated him. All my rescues were not tested for Felv because the test was $50 X 13 and it wasn't going to make a difference anyway. I was still going to rescue and neuter even if they were +. They are all inside cats. When a cat is visible ill and +, I would isolate bowls and litter. But otherwise no. I vacinated my Lucy for over 12 years with the Felv vaccine and she is 17 now. I just gave up with the tests and the vaccinations. Keep them clean, well fed and regular trips to the vet. The virus is very fragile. I had the courage to mingle these guys based on others who recsued Felv+ cats with no apparent contamination to the others. Sep 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Lee Evans wrote: First of all, the vets blow way out of proportion the contagious factor in FeLv. Yes, a cat can be latent, as were my Tiger Boy and Twerp. Both latent, both tested negative all their long lives, then towards the end, they got a URI plus kidney failure and both passed within days of each other at ages 13 and 14. They lived with 8 other cats. I tested periodically but none of their mates ever turned positive and all the cats in that group regularly slept together, groomed each other, ate from the same dishes and shared litter boxes. You can't make any hard, fast rules with FeLv. Your cat has been living with the other cats so it's up to you whether she should continues to do that. However, please don't have her killed just because she tested positive. As for a cat going outside and bringing in FeLv, I really don't think so. They have to have some type of long term exposure or critical exposure - like meeting a cat who is already ill from the disease and grooming him. It's not airborne. From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat None of the other cats go outside except for the one that got out Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: Cat is now testing positive. She was never tested as a kitten although her parents were and her littermate was. She has never been outside although one if the cats in the house did get out for about a week. That cat and all other cats in the house have tested negative. So is it possible that the cat that got out brought it in the house but still tests negative and this cat was exposed and is now positive? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2013, at 9:10 AM, john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, it most certainly is. My Tigger was Positve. Everyone else here tested negative, and still does,. Tigger passed at age 5 2 years ago. all STILL negative here. From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat also, a previously 'negative' cat could in fact have a latent infection which does not show up. This can go on for potentially years and later turn positive when sick/stressed. - Reply message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat Date: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 8:19 am Sure, if the cat got outside or are otherwise exposed to other cats. Not all cats coming into contact with a positive cat will contract the virus.Plus the virus can take 90 days to show up on a test. You'd have to be more specific about the circumstances - when all the cats were tested, what kind of test, are the cats indoors/outdoors? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat Is it possible for one cat in a house of multiple cats to be positive when everyone else is negative and even parents and all other cats from its litter are negative. Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
I just wanted to share that I put Advantage-multi drops on my felv+ cat, Pookie, in june and a week later there appear 1 then 2 puffy lumps on his back between his spine. They disappeared after a few weeks after intense intervention with syringe feeding of vitamins and nutrients. He then went into a period of running a fever and not eating or drinking. He was placed on Baytril for two weeks. The fever left and he started to eat and drink, but then developed a mouth sore. So he wasn't eating or drinking again. I have learned to be very sure when pilling that the pill actually goes down. I suspect one was lodged under his tongue and may have caused the mouth sore. I finally took him to a holistic vet and she has been giving him acupuncture. Within 24 hours he was eating and drinking again. She said the toughest needle to get in was in his nose (controls appetite), but he went from running a temp to a cold nose in one day. I also gave him some Clin drops leftover from another cats mouth abcess for a few days. His mouth sore healed. He has had 3 acupunture treatments and is back to his old self. He is also getting some immune support herbs - one is called Wei Qi. He is 6 1/2 and has fought off the virus before when he was 2. I just want to caution others that these flea preps are strong and may not be good for Felv+ kitties. Carolyn On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Lee Evans wrote: With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get the vet's opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some residue of the shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you want to know more about cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or anything disases) you can go to www.merckmanuals.com and click on The Merck Veterinary Manual. They list everything there. It's really wonderful. If you want to know about a particular medication you are told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type cat medication in the search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. You will discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold off using this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that begin with Keto- should be used only under the recommendation of a veterinarian. This one forms a coating of the substance on the cat's skin and lasts long after the shampoo has been used, according to the information on drugs.com. I'm not sure that shampooing a cat is for everyone. I tried it once or twice. What I got was a mass of soap bubbles and foam with ears and eyes, racing around the house, screaching and snarling. Getting a cat to stand around for 5 to 10 minutes while the shampoo works, as advised in the information, is sooo not realistic. If you do want to shampoo, notify your next of kin first. Incidentally, it was a flea shampoo I used on an adult cat who was usually Mr. Charming but turned into a vampire the minute the water and soap hit him. This was before I found out about Capstar and Frontline Plus, many moons ago. From: Catherine Chang changic...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm Hi felv friends, I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether bathing options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If they been mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are: I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just bathing the cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week. 1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat ringworm very effectively. It is available on Amazon. 2. Nizoral Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with Ketoconazole. The 1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although taking Ketoconazole by mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is less seen when only using it by bathing as far as I know. There is also a pet version of 2% Ketoconazole shampoo, but you will need a prescription to get that. hope it helps. catherine -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Undesirable or just plain ugly cats
I have to quote a humane society rescuer, I never meet a cat I couldn't love. Carolyn On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Yep. We loves 'em cuz they're there. Hemi hisses at me when I come around a corner too fast startle her. Princess eats and sleeps all day. Will is afraid of his shadow. But as they are all rehabilitated ferals I figure, Who Knows what trouble they've seen. And I feel better seeing Hemi sleeping in the shade in the yard, or Princess curled up in her bed on the couch, or the lump of Will under the covers on my bed. They may be crazy, but they are safe and sound an provide good company and a few laughs! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Undesirable or just plain ugly cats Hey Lee, You gave me a much needed laugh this morning, with your cat names. Among my crew is a Fat Bastard who has been with us for 8 years now. The thanks I get for rescuing him is getting bitten when I try to even briefly pet him. He is a miserable cat who bolts his food and then shoves his fat face in the other cats food bowls forcing them to run for their lives. I keep him because I'm too tender hearted to get rid of him, but oh how I'd love to find him a nice barn home. Lorrie On 08-14, Lee Evans wrote: You really have to decide why you are testing. If a cat is ill with the Mystery Illness, of course you need to run some tests to pinpoint what may be the cause of the illness. If you are adopting out, you probably should do a combo test without the heartworm part which I learned from this list can screw up the results of the other tests in the combo. However, if the 4 kittens mentioned have tested negative, I don't see any reason why not to adopt out. Because, and this is important to remember, the person wanting the kitten or a couple of kittens will get a couple of kittens from someone, somewhere and that person probably won't test at all, just advertise free to good home, healthy kittens. As long as the test is not definitely positive, you can ethically adopt out. I had an FIV+ cat who was not when I took him in. He was negative but thin. I polished him up and fattened him up and took him for adoption at the Humane Society here and they tossed him back to me as FIV+. I retested and sure enough. He had been incubating it for the months I had him fattening up and getting ready for his big day. Well, I still have Lancelot, mixed in with my regular gang because that's how he was when I took him home as a negative and he is still with me about 7 years later. Now, I know this is only FIV, not as serious as FeLv but still. You can't predict the future as far as will the cat some day turn positive for FeLv. You shouldn't spend much needed money testing and re-testing to make all the planets line up correctly. My three originally positive FeLv cats who turned negative are still with me. If anyone had wanted the ugly mutts, I would have cheered and given them away in a nanosecond. But no one wanted a dumb possum faced tabby or an all black cat with a sort of snake like face or Percy who had an attitude and lost the virus but not the attitude. Lest anyone try to get on me for calling them ugly mutts, hey I call it like it is. That doesn't mean I don't love them. I love ugly mutts the most. Even when they are cats. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
