Re: Passwords
Hi do we need to subscribe again - I couldn't see anything about getting new passwords for already subscribed - but that might be just me. Thanks Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble -Original Message- From: James G Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:48 Subject: Passwords Hey all, sorry I forgot to mention that everyone has a new password now that we're on a new server. Just go to the link at the very end of this message and follow the instructions on how to retrieve your passwords. Again, I apologize for all of the confusion. Hopefully, things will be back to normal soon. Best regards. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.3partharmony.com (3PartHarmony Productions) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) http://wx.3partharmony.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Mysterio Please add to the CLS
So sorry to hear of Mysterio going to the bridge - Mysterio will a fluffy cushion and be happy and healthy - I'll ask my angel Buddy and Angel Bramble to give Mysterio an angel kiss xxx
Overjoyed
Laurie Minstrel was in sanctuary with now Angel Buddy (FIV+) when they were first tested and from what i gather they were both tested around 6 months of age - obviously Buddy was FIV and Minstrel tested positive for FeLV - I assume they used the in house SNAP test at that point. From what I gather though FeLV+ results are more reliable than FIV results on the in house test. To be honest I didn't ask what test it was this time but I know they sent it away and didn't test in house. The test cost me close to £50 in UK and Minstrel is now 4 years old. Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble xxx AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.
Overjoyed
Just wanted to bring a positive note to you all. I took my FeLV girl Minstrel to the vet last week to check her mouth cos she was showing dental signs. I'd had her checked at New Year just before Buddy (FIV+) passed away and her gums were a little inflammed but not severe.?Last Friday she had 3 wobbly teeth and red gums so she'd had root infection travel down. The vet said the pathology looked like what any cat can get and not specifically just related to FeLV. She had 5 teeth out on Tuesday and came home trying to get in the bag of cat biscuits bless her - but she is eating well soft food complete with antibiotics sprinkled over and some painkiller for couple of days. Anyway, whilst she was having pre-op bloods taken I asked them to re-check her FeLV status as I know occassionally cats can rid themselves of the virus and I just wanted to know either way. The vet phoned this morning whenthe blood results came back from the lab and?Minstral?is now FeLV negative :-) I didn't know whether to laugh or cry but I think I'll be opening the champagne tonight. I could now even consider introducing a new cat into the house (would obviously have to be FeLV - though but would mean?Minstrel has company when I'm at work - and helping any cat is better than helping none. Need to book leave from work and consider carefully before that though - but what a nice surprise. hugs and good wishes to all your kitties xxx Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.
Boo Boo
Good job Boo Boo came to you when he did. There's so much good information and experience from people here and I can't add to it cos I tend to ask questions when needed co sof the experience of people here. At least he is safe now and free from those dreadful ignorant previous owners who sound like are not worth dealing with. Although I'm here no with Minstrel's good news I've not been so lucky in the past and lost 3 cats who didn't make it despite my efforts. They too had a rough start in life but the one thing I am sure of is that every second of love and care they got from me made their lives a lot better and helped give them the comfort and safety they needed to cope with arising sickness issues. Giving them tlc and safety along with whatever medical care is appropriate is the biggest gift they can have. As someone said it maybe flea anaemia and nutrition etc could make a huge difference. Previous owners hadn't got a clue about the cats health needs so I doubt they cared about nutrition needs. He will know he is loved and safe and that will make a huge difference to how he feels in himself xxx Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble PS - sending prayers and strength to those who have recently lost a furbaby as I noticed a couple of posts about angel furbabies - they will be restored to health and snuggling up keeping our soft fluffy cushions warm until we get there xxx
Miller Please add to the CLS
Sorry to hear about Miller - so many new angels flying above us playing together at the bridge. Miller will be back to full health now and keeping your cushion warm until the day you're reunited. Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble
Rudy
Sorry to hear of Rudy's passing - I'll ask Buddy to chase Rudy around too now that they are at the bridge playing with full health restored xxx Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.
Teddy
Sorry to hear about Teddy Laurie - it's the hardest decision to make you do know when it's right xx He'll be playing with his friends and Buddy is probably chasing him around to - she liked chasing xxx Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble
Please Add Buddy to Candlelight Service
Buddy has gone to rainbow bridge to collect her angel wings tonight. She is on her bed at the moment looking peaceful and I will take her to the pet crematorium tomorrow then bring her ashes home. Infection overwhelmed her and wouldn't respond to antibiotics and she got to be in too much pain and started to give up - the weekend was a really bad one for her, she collapsed in pain when the vet felt her kidneys and stomach today so it's nice to see her looking peaceful now - nothing was helping her anymore. I'll miss her pawing my face and sticking her face out for kisses - she was such a lovely affectionate girl until this got hold of her. Minstrel has had a look at her and gone off upset but at least she knows. Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
Buddy
Has anyone used interferon omega recently in UK - if so how much does is cost you per box of 5 vials. Vet quoted me £1500 for a course - one week on - one off and one week after and then a week 2 months later. Seems a lot more than what I paid last time. I can't afford £1500 and the sanctuary will be reluctant to pay but this seems her only chance now. Buddy is currently hospitalised having fluids today - her temperature won't come down she won't respond to the synulox antibiotics so it's seeming to lead us to thinking it's viral. Her bloods came back and her liver adn kidneys are currently fine but she is slightly anaemic, nothing else showed up. Vet had a good feel and feels it is not wet form FIP, and although lymphoma can't be ruled out he's never seen symptoms like this happen overnight. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Prayers Please
Hi everybody Unfortunately I've returned fo rno so good reasons. Xmas day my Buddy (4.5years) cams down sick. She would hardly eat and was hiding most of day. she seemed to want to lick food but was too sore to swallow so she couldn't bear it - and she was gulping like when we have a sore throat. The first day she hadn't hit me round the face and nuzzled up to me in the morning for breakfast and cuddles. Got her to the vet on Thursday as soon as they reopened after xmas and boxing day. Her temperature was 105 and vet thought it was a throat infection and gave her the antibiotic injection - I'd prefer that if possible to avoid her being stressed about getting tablets in her. By saturaday she was no better and still not eaten and hardly drank much so panic set in. Took her back and saw a different vet who thought it was a calicibirus flare up cos her gums had inflammed - so we syringe fed her 15ml of Hills AD with some metacam for cats. I syringe fed her a bit more at home and repeated this again Sunday. Meanwhile I'd been to the sanctuary where I got her from and said I need help with the vet so their vet saw her yesterday - her temp was still 105 and still not eating. Syringe feeding is stressful for her but she just about tolerates 20ml feed. He gave her synolux antibiotic so now on tablets anyway so am doing that when I feed her. SHe switched into an unhappy poorly girl and now fed up being messed about feeding and going to vets. If no better tomorrow then she'll have bloods done to see if her FIV has progressed. She seems to have lost interest in food completely now and I don't know what else to do. I'm tried so many different foods to stimulate her with smell and although syringe feeding her AD is necessary at the moment it's stressing her more and I don't want to her to get scared of food. She will come of hiding now and stay out for a while but often I have to coax her out - she looks so tiny and lethargic - desperately nedd her temperture to come back down. She's is only 4 and this was so rapid I didn't it coming - poor girl is depressed. My FeLV girl Minstrel knows too and is obviously concerned about her. Any suggestions and prayers welcome cos I'm in bits at moment. Fortunately I've been off work this last week but supposed to be back in tomorrow and don't want to go at all. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
Buddy
I have been pushing sanctuary to help fund interferon but they try to hold off it cos of the cost as the omega in UK is expensive. That's why I went to stamp my feet and demand they help cos they tell you to act fast and say they help with vets and then don't allow you to look after the animal properly by with holding drugs. Annoying but I understand the cost issue when they have so many animals to share it around. She does lick her lips sometimes so will mention that tomorrow - probably worth getting her kidney function tested anyway. Need her temperature down fast cos that would put anyone off food. I'll keep trying and update after vets tomorrow xxx Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
Re: Toby's death
I feel physically sick having just read of poor Toby's plight - I hadn't seen that and not sure if I am pleased I read it or not (only good thing is I will be signing the petition). The poor baby, how anyone can can hit an animal to hurt it is beyond me but what they did is just pure evil. I work in psychology and have some experience of forensic psychiatry and it scares me that people so young can be so evil - without doubt it is not therapy they need as they are nothing but development psychopaths / sociopaths. Psychopathic behaviour often starts as torture to animals unfortunately and progresses to humans. They have no remorse at all and can't have a conscience as they wouldn't have done something that severe. I wish we could do exactly the same to them and would happily volunteer to join the queue of people willing to get justice for poor Toby. I really do feel sick at the thought of what happened to that poor little dog. I can't find the words to say how I feel about it cos it's one of those heart sink moments. I see death penalty or life long secure psychiatry unit as the only way to go with these guys cos I'm sure they won't stop at animals and it's a shame that animals life's don't get taken as seriously as humans half the time in terms of dishing out punishment. Part of me thinks death penalty is too much of a quick way out for people like that then the other part of me thinks why should genuine people pay the state for evil people like that to be kept fed and dry in a locked up environment although they'd pay the price of losing freedom. Difficult one to call and I don't care how young at the age they are they know right from wrong and that behaviour is a dangerous predictor of adult psychopathy. I don't think human rights should apply to people who are too evil to be part of the planet and violating innocent creatures. Sorry I know my mail is strong but this is so horrible as I am sure you all feel Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.
Slinky - sad news
Awww your story of telling slinky about friends at the bridge has just raised a few memories of my previous kitties. It is heartbreaking to go through this and my heart goes out to you and Slinky. Slinky will know you have done everything possible and are still helping him to feel better by helping him cross to the pain free bridge. So hard to let them go but Slinky is far better off with you helping him to cross over and having so much love and comfort throughout his journey xxx enjoy your time with him - quality time is priceless no matter how short that time maybe xxx Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble xxx
Mama Kitty
So sorry to hear mama kitty has passed - my heart goes out to you and no it's not crazy to hear her purrs - you always do what is best for them and feel the bond with them and she is still with you. I haven't heard my angel kitties purr but I sure did see Bramble move past me from the corner of my eye a few months after he died. Maybe it's their way of letting us know they found the bridge ok and are running around playing whilst they wait for us xxx Michelle, Buddy, Minsterl Angel Bramble
Mignight and CRF
I can't add anymor ethna what has already been said. Cats can life a good few years with chronic renal failure and can be comfortable if they receive the correct treatment. Some cats tolerate fluids well but a few don't - you have to be patient and appear confident and explain everything to your cat. I too would strongly suggest joining the feline CRF yahoo group as they will have much experience of renal failure in cats. Even though you trust your vet (and it is good to have a have you trust and who has a connection with your animals) it doesn't mean he knows everything or even what is best for your cat because as we all know too well that isn't always the case and no-one knows your cat better than you. Let us know how you go Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
OT - Help cat crying at night
Unfortunately your crowded little house probably made him feel more secure. He will have been aware of the other cats and could even be crying to try and communicate with the other cats and be distressed because they are not there. He is obviously distressed and I feel like everyone else needs time to adapt - any animal needs time to settle in a new home and it's only fair we let them do that. I think Feliway and rescue remedy are a good place to start. The space of his new home and like of crowdedness is possibly freaking him out. Poor little guy - hope he settles down xxx and although having disturbed sleep isn't good I think any adopter should be prepared to have disturbed sleep whilst the new furbaby settles - you wouldn't get people taking adopted human babies back to where they got them from because they cry in the night - they would be up comforting them - animals deserve the same compasion in my eyes. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Whitey close to the bridge
Kelly my thoughts and prayers go out to and your dear animals. It is unbearable to watch them slipping away and so so hard to have to make the decision to help them pass. Whitey will now you are there and will be happy to have you there knowing how much you love him. Sometimes the hardest things are the kindest things. His spirit will carry on living with you in your heart forever. Healing thoughts going out to your dog too. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble xxx
14 cats to be tested
Here's hoping that no other cats have FeLV. But if any do then it's good they have the best chance and best care because they have you xxx A kitties life is better full of love and tlc no matter how short or long that may be xxx Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Tig is Back
Thanks all for your help. I again asked my angels to help guide Tig home last night as I still talk to my angel animals who have passed. We also have had a little glass guardian angel that my friend bought me next to a wooden cat that I got her as it looked like Tig. I did the meditation of lassooing Tig back to her mum and sister and my friend had been imagining her walking to the door. Last night I had a dream about 4-5am and in the dream we found Tig lying next to a bush - she was weak - but we coaxed her to move and then Missy (her sister) came over meowing and running back and forward to get her to follow her. Tig gathered her energy and followed missy home. Then in reality when I woke up: I got a text from my friend to say Tig turned up at 5am this morning crying to get in. She had muddy paws, smelled musty, scared and was very hungry - other than that she seems unharmed. It sounds as though she has been in feral mode and as people here said after the panic when all went calm she has come home. 3 days is so long when you don't know what's happened to them. My friend and the other cat are so happy. I don't know how I'd have coped if it had been my cat missing. Thanks Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel, Angel Bramble
Tig is missing
Thanks all for responses in relation to Tig. She is still missing but your advice has been good and I will print things out and give it to my friend. We went out sticking posters up around the area and posting leaflets. It was more heartbreaking seeing Tig's Sister Missy - she was so confused and is just going around the house crying and looking for Tig. I've told my friend to put food out and some things that smells familiar so fingers crossed - will keep you updated. Thanks Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Lucy CLS
SO sorry to hear of Lucy's passing but it sounds as peaceful and quick a passing as possible which is what we all wish for our fur babies in the end. The angels will guide her and she will always be with you in your heart. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Tig is Missing
I'd just like to ask people to add Tig to their prayers. My best friend has too sweet little kitties - Tig Missy they are not FeLV but are still very much loved and cared. days ago Tig went missing from her back garden - she never usually goes away from the garden and doesn't care to be out much. She has not come home and is a timid cat who doesn't approach or get coaxed by strangers so something has happened but we don't know what. Maybe she got chased by another cat or even tried to venture off a little too far and got lost. One thing is for sure she loves her home and my friend has always been their mummy since they were 8 weeks old. Both cats snuggle into her like they would their real mum - Tig wouldn't just leave home. I known cats to get trapped somewhere or lost then reappear 4-6 weeks later so there is hope. But this cat is such a shy little cat she would quite easily have a nervous breakdown being away from home too long. Please add her safe return to your prayers and mental energy to guide her home (Bolton, UK) Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
I'm back
Hello All Sorry I've been a silent member for a while due to work etc... but I am unfortunately back now and will be for a while. Just had Minstral to the vets cos I noticed a very subtle behaviour change - she became more affectionate to me and scratched her jaw a bit more than usual - I suspected gingivitis again but Minstral being Minstral is not a handleable cat at the best of times. However at vets we found only very mild Gingivitis but her lymph nodes are a bit swollen. I think we are going to start interferon omega now whilst we have caught the changes early. I have chosen not to do bloods at the moment due to not wanted to stress her out to much. PS - she isn't being affectionate now after I grabbed her from behind and bundled her into the cat carrier to go off to the vets bless her. I hadn't seen this vet in consultation before but knew he would be good from a brief encounter with him when we were going through the emergencies with Bramble in the past. I instantly went in with a somewhat knowledgeable attitude and told him I had gone to him as I felt he would work with me to do everything possible for Minstral to help her have a quality of life and not write her off. After dropping in some technical terms he said I was well informed so I think he will work with me. Unfortunately our last vet has left so had to select another one so have to picky and find the right one. Any tips very welcome? Michelle, Buddy, Minstral Angel Bramble
Minstral (Nina)
Hi Nina Minstral hasn't gone on antibiotics at the moment. I will watch her closely for a couple of days and try to look at her mouth again after that period - if she has worsened then I will take her to the boss vet cos he is great - but he only works 2 days a week. She is a very difficult cat to medicate anyway - although very affectionate with me she is semi ferral and is also very defensive and doesn't take kindly to being restrained by any means bless her - unless of course she is on the vets table then she is good as gold and makes me look a fool. As was the case with Bramble - Minstral and Buddy both carry calicivirus but are at the moment able to fight it. I wondered if she was fighting a reoccurence of calici as she sounds a little nasaly at times but hasn't got the runny nose or sneezes. Calici can also explain gingivitis - Her little ears were getting a bit hot at times so I suspect she was getting a temperature and looked a bit confused at times but it wasn't severe. I think that if she is fighting off calici herself at the moment the antibiotics are of limited use and I don't want to build her tolerance to them unneccesarily. FIO is the gold standard drug for calici anyway in the uk. Another thing I wondered about was that I changed their biscuits and they were a little harder (they have some biscuits and some wet food) but that was a couple months ago - the last couple of days I changed back to slightly softer dry food and I think this has helped her - she loves her biscuits. I'm going to put cod liver oil and multi vits in her food and see if she will eat it. She is fussy like most cats - if she smells anything medicine like in her food she won't eat it. At least she is a fat cat and loves eating which is one less worry at the moment. She is eating drinking and toileting fine - in fact she still looks at me and waits for me to give her clean litter before she gets in to soil it again LOL. The behavioural changes were so subtle that most people would have not noticed but as you will all know you become so fined tuned to your furbabies that you sense it instantly. Was cute really it's as if she was coming to me to tell me she wasn't well. Then when we got home after she'd been to the vet today, and although she battles against being picked up and put in the carrier, she lifted her head up and butted my chin as she was saying thanks for listening mummy - was so sweet. Don't know if this is any clearer Nina Thanks Michelle, Minstral, Buddy Angel Bramble
Quality of Life
I too have talked to my cats on more than one occassion to ask how they feel so I don't think your mad Nina. But I agree with letting them explore a little at a time and if you can put up a screen that they can see each other through before introducing them that sometimes can help as Nina said. They had that at the sanctuary - Unfortunately Blackie isn't alive now but he kept seeing the sanctuary cat behind the glass door in the office. Gradually the two cats started to try and play through the glass and when they let Blackie in both cats were happy together and Tom ventured out of the office for a stroll around too. Takes time but I think it's much better done behaviourally. They other thing that might help relax the cat in anxiety provoking situations is using the plug in pherimones. It maybe that you let the kittie out the bathroom for 5 mins and gradually progress the time. Patience and perserverence is often the only answer to modifying anxiety related behaviour. It's like humans - exposure is done gradually and built upon. When I first brought my cats home from the sanctuary Buddy was terrified of the television - she would not come out at all if the tv was on - but with gradual exposure she started to venture out and as she learned it was not a threat she improved and it took time but now she doesn't care at all. Hope you have success Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Virus Warning
Just thought I'd better spread this warning around as you are all in my address book. If you should receive an email that appears to be from my email address that says I have set up my own website and asks you to check if it works and if you can see the video PLEASE DO NOT OPEN IT !!! My friend had her email and addresses stolen and a virus was sent round in this manner. I did open it as it didn't seem abnormal with my friends email address on - setting a website up is something that she might do. It comes up as unable to view and downloads some trash onto your machine - The PC went into hyper alert for Trojan Virus and uncontrolable pop ups appear including those of pornographic nature. Please be alert Michelle
Bella had babies
Congrats - Bella must be so proud and you too of course. The kittiens sound so sweet - long and happy life prayes to you all. Michelle, Minstrel, buddy Angel Bramble
Re: My Bella's baby died
Hideyo So sorry to hear of your despair but you are a great Kittie mom. I don't know what happened but I know you would never intend to hurt a kittie. You did what you thought right at the time. Sometimes we need to intervene and something must have been wrong for you to interveme to try and help - but our best efforts are not always enough. The kittie may have died without your efforts so you can't know for sure it was your fault. The baby may have been weak and ready to go. Everything you do is for kindness towards your kitties and I hope you manage to see that soon sweetie. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Bella's baby died
Hideyo From what you say it sounds as though this baby was in trouble and on her way to dying anyway. When they fail to gain weight and temperature is abnormal it is not a good sign. I saw a day old baby being warmed and fed and everything possible was done but she died because she is sick and weak. I know you blame yourself for her death but maybe there is another explanation. Maybe the baby passed as she did because she knew it was safe to do so. Knowingit was safe to let go and not passing with her feline mother beside her. Sounds like everything was done right and that she would probably not have survived no matter what you did or didn't do. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Stray
So sorry to hear of what happened to stray. Such a sad but beautifully written account that was filled with emotion. I believe euthanasia was right for stray - I have heard of Saddle Thrombosis before and yes it is exceptionally painful for the kittie - too painful for them to keep on enduring indefinitely. Thank goodness Stray had to you to talk him through it he will always be with you. Sleep in Peace Stray - no more pain. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Bruce
I'd just like to share the loss of a friend. My cousin's Bulldog Bruce died yesterday. He was a beautiful boy with such a cheeky character.He wasjust 2 years old - he got sick and after tests at the vets they found he had developed acute leukemia - he died within days of that result. I never realised how agressively and rapidly it progresses in dogs as it's the first time I've experienced it in a dog. R.I.P Bruce Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Miss Priss Kerry
Janine so so sorry to hear about your mom and your dear little miss priss. My prayers are with you. They will be helping each other in their new life now. Kerry - I had'nt realised your father was terminally ill too as I am catching up with mail - Positive thoughts coming your way too. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Pookie
I am so shocked to hear this Kerry. I would probably have agreed to euthanase in that situation by choice to help my kittie to stop suffering if they were not breathing properly due to tumors and lung fluid at age 16 but I can't imagine that choice being taken away from me. I would be the one helping them in their time of need and certainly there to help comfort them as theypass to the bridge. It actually sickens me to think a vet considered he had the right to euthanase withoutdiscussing thiswith you and giving you the option of being withPookie at this crucial time. I would certainly complain about the vet as Pookie was your baby even though he only had you 5 months he obviously loved you and trusted you. I hope you find justice and I'm sure Pookie knew you loved him. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Jake has gone
Sorry sorry to hear of Jake's passing but I believe you did all you could and yes the wishing you could have found him earlier is normal. I only had Bramble 6 months and tried so hard for him but alas I too only found him when he was already sick. It makes you angry that other people didn't care enough about them and also frustrated because you didn't have them in time to help more. You still love them as if you've had them forever though and it never hurts any less. My thoughts are with you. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Football
Yes Wendy Football/Soccer - I'm in the UK Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel, Angel Bramble
Michelle L
Thanks Wendy I'm fine I'm currently busy job hunting as my contract expires next month. I'd give up and go into animal rescue if I could afford to but alas I can't. My two kitties at the moment have a mild dose of the sneezes but they carry calici. Must share this story - My friend has 2 x 8 month old kitties and the other night one was sat in front of the tv with her nose on the tv following the football and trying to catch it with her paw every time the football was kicked on screen in her direction - so sweet. I hope everyone else is well too - I haven't been very active but I do keep reading your posts and chirp in now and then. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Ginger is Gone
Michelle I'm so sorry to hear that Ginger did not recover. Everything was done for her and she stayed so long because she was loved and cared for by you. What a lovely place to bury her too. My eyes filled up readig about her as they often do when the kitties here cross to the bridge. SHe is no longer suffering and knows she was loved. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
losses and Ginger
My thoughts to keep the souls rested of Mr Kitty, Red Man and Buffy go out as do my condolencesto the kitty parents. Also healing thoughts going to Ginger Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel, Angel Bramble
Rudy
Rudy sounds such a special litlle furbaby - sorry she has gone but glad she found you when she did. I do believe that cats sometimes choose us to be their parents and it's a huge compliment when they choose to stay. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Manual
I haven't got it yet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
OJ and Scotch
Tad and Amy I'm so sorry to hear of your losses - Tad you of OJ and Amy you of Scotch - it's heartbreaking but I'm pleased they had you as parents until the end - they had all the love and best care possible. God bless their souls Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Kitty with sudden back leg problem
Sounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection spreads to the CNS which can cause it but not sure if thisw is the same for FeLV. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Disaster
Oh that is so awful Hideyo. Sounds like this woman who keeps complaining needs to get a life of her own and leave you alone. You are doing a wonderful job for these kitties and this woman is just plain ignorant. I agree that a letter fromn your lawyer would carry more weight but that may also fuel her into complaining more for revenge. Hope everything works out well for you and your kitties. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Sick Kitties
So many kitties sick again - my thoughts are going out to you all. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Pray for Black Cat
I don't know this Black Cat personally but I'd like it if people could pray to keep it's soul rested. On my way to work this morning and was driving along the motorway when I saw a black furball rolling - then it moved. It was a black kittie just been hit and it was trying to run off but it's back end was badly injured so it was dragging itself - I slammed my breaks on to avoid hitting it a second or third time and it managed to get across to go and die. I didn't care who was behind me on motorway but I was not going to hit the poor kittie - I was absolutely distraught - I was shaking and having tearful outbursts all the way to work. It's the 2nd time I've seen that happen around that spot on the motorway. I just pray that this poor kittie died quickly before the shock wore off, I pray his/her soul finds it's way to peace. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Poem
Glad you liked the poem and sorry for making you cry but I guess when something comes deep from the heart then it is inevitable that others experiencing the same will cry - I still do. It's nice to be able to share it here because general public would think it was over the top for losing a cat but as we all feel here they are so so precious to us and it is soul destroying when they do cross to the bridge. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Starman and Cricket
Starman Positive thoughts going out to Starman - I will say a prayer. Waiting for Cricket to visit I agree when you are waiting and trying to see (in this case Cricket) you close yourself off because the spirit cannot access your soul as it is too occupied (well that's my theory). When Tidge passed I tried desperately to talk to her and see her but it never happened. When Bramble was sick and I was in a dilema of if it was the right time to put to sleep I prayed for a sign to help me make the right choice. That night Tidge appeared in my dream with a voice sayingdon't give up. Along with the chat I had with Bramble I believe Tidge appeared and wasguiding me - I got 2 months with Bramble after that. When Bramble passed as you may recall - again I looked for him and never saw him and then the one time that my mind was completely empty because I had just half woken up and was sat in the bathroom I saw him appear. My mind was empty and open at this point in time and I believe that spiritsmore commonlyappear when you are in this state. Talk to him and tell him you'd love to see him and to come home when he wants as you would like to know he's ok. Once you have done that then try your best not to search for him too much. Still say prayers andtalk to yourangels but let your mind be free. I don't think he'll appear whilst you are desperately searching - he may be afraid it would be too upsetting for you, also he may sense the anxiety and desperation and as we know our kitties would do anything to avoid anxiety and desperation. Hope he appears soon but you probably need to give him space to appear naturally. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel, Angel Bramble
Virtual friend
Someone put this on the FIV group - he is cute - he purrs when you pet his chest with the cursor and chases it when it's above his head http://www.broenink-art.nl/maukie2.swf Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Here's the Poem I wrote after losing Tidge for those who wanted to see it.
Poem for Little Tidge We found each other wandering - I gave you shelter from the storm The misfortunes life had dealt you left you frightened and withdrawn Our lives combined, our love grew strong, and you knew that you were saved From past neglect and heartache when love was all you ever craved Now I’m left in turmoil, trying hard to comprehend The reasons why god took away my very special friend I know you had to leave me and that was meant to be And I hope that in the place you are, from pain you will stay free I look around each day for you in hope that you’ll appear It hurts so much to face the truththat you’re no longerhere Your unexpected passing left me broken and destroyed When your cruel unfair departure left an overwhelming void Not a day goes by when I don’t pray to keep you safe from harm Then I pray your spirit finds me to help me calm my inner storm My late departed friend, I don’t think I’ll ever understand Why you, still young and innocent, were taken from this land I know that you would not desire me harbour such dismay So forgive my times of weakness but you are in my heart to stay My life must now continue much in the way it did before Though without you here beside me, for a while I will feel poor Despite these dismal feelings I can recall how rich I’ve been Because the day I found you wandering was when my heart began to beam Please know how much I love you, and I’m glad our paths did cross The short time that we shared will never be a loss And friend I ask please wait for me for one day I’ll return To comfort and protect thee - but for now our hearts must yearn Heaven and earth may hinder until my time is done But with togetherness our future, our souls are destined to be one Michelle Lomax (April 2005) It's amazing how creativity comes out with emotion but writing the poem whilst painful was also cathartic. I guess much of the poemapplies to all of us at some point. Hope you enjoy it xx Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Tiggie
So sorry to hear Tiggie passed over - she is at peace now. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Ducky Sweet Angel Sam Ewok
Oh I'm so sorry to hear of Sweet Angel Sam and Ducky crossing to Rainbow Bridge - so many losses lately yet again - this blasted disease is so heartbreaking but on the other if our kitties had been in the hands of others their short lives may have been much worse so I'm sure they would rather have the life they had full of love and care with FeLV than an alternative minus FeLV. I know given the chance I choose the former. God bless you and everyone else for giving these kitties the life they deserve. The important thing is their life was full of love and care and it certainly was. I have just been crying reading Jen's latest message - you will seek reminders for a while. When Tidge passed I found sanity in creative arts after a couple of weeks if anyone wants to see the poem I wrote then let me know and I'll post it. It helped me at the time to get it out on paper. Jen I do believe Ewok was letting you know he's ok by being in your dreams I have had sightings of bramble since he died and also when I was in Crisis with Bramble I saw Tidge in my dream ssaying don't give up yet - and Bramble had another 2 months with me after that. Michelle, Buddy, minstrel, Angel Bramble
Ewok
So sorry to hear of you having to say goodbye to Ewok but I'm pleased he is no longer in pain. It is so difficult and I understand that the pain will be fresh for a while and you will tell us about it when you are ready. Thoughts are with you to help ease yur pain and with Ewok that is soul is at peace now he has joined his Mom and brothers and free from pain. We love them and do our best to help them and it's so difficult to let them cross to the bridge but it's the only true gift we can give our fur babies when they are in irreversable terminal pain - this is the test of true love. Hope you feel stronger soon Jen - Ewok knew how much you loved him and will always be with you watching over you until you get to the bridge. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Ewok
Jenn I'm sorry to hear the news of Ewok's decline. I know how hard you have both fought together. He had every chance and the best care from you and I'm sure he knows it. I'm also sure you will know when he is too tired and wishes to cross and can be there with him. As I went through with Bramble - he told me he'd had enough and knowing that I had done everything and could still be there for him when he wanted to go to the bridge left me with no guilt - just sadness of the loss. Our time together at the end was priceless and a comfort in some ways - enjoy whatever time you have and I pray you gain comfort from knowing how much you both cared about each other and that you tried everything for him - and he trusted you enough to carry on so long. It will hurt when the time comes as we all know but he will no longer be in pain. I hope the next few days and steroids will give him some relief and that you have special times together. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Bailey and OT
Prayers that Bailey improves fast for you Belinda - so difficult when they are not wanting to eat - your heart just sinks. OT My friend has a 9 month old persian (blue) kitten. For the last 2 months he has let it out in to his back garden and watched it wandering around but a few days ago it jumped a 6 foot fence and wandered off and didn't come back so all were in deep worry as he was nowhere to be seen. I told him to try and keep calm as people here had got cats backs after 10-14 days. I said it sounds strange but that I and others here believe cats and some other animals have a sixth sense and that he should keep sending his thoughts out to guide his kitten home - piture him coming home form places around the area. I thought he may laugh at that idea but he said he did do it and then after 3 days he had a dream of his kitten walkin gin through the door - that day an elderly lady found him and took him home. So all relieved the kitten is back home - I told him to keep kittie indoors in my overprotective cat mommy manner. Aside form FeLV and FIV risks - there is also risk of traffic accident and also being stolen - Persians don't come cheap. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Patches Lucy
Michelle I send positive thoughts to you and your dear kitties. I dispute the people who said you are the wrong sort of person to take in 6FeLV+ cats. You are exactly the right kind of person because you care and will make sure the kitties get eternal love and the proper care they deserve. I am the same with my cats as everyone here - get so attached and so distressed when they are not well and people ask why I put myself through it. The answer is I can't imagine my life not helping FIV FeLV cats and when they come to pass then more will be welcomed in. Once they have put their paw prints on your heart they are there forever. Too many people don't care so it would be a crime for people like you and others here who do care to not adopt these cats. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Mixed topics
Here is one of usual mixed topic messages. Calico Yes male calico cats are rare as they only occur due to genetic mutation. Ewok So good to hear Ewok is doing well Jenn - hope he continues to be better for some time yet although I understand how it feels to be thinking of what time you have left together. Frederico He sounds lovely Tad and so glad he has settled in well - I'm sure he will continue to be a happy boy with you. Pansy So sorry to hear of Pansy going to the bridge Gloria - I hope you can gain comfort knowing that Pansy is no longer in pain and waslucky to have you as mommy. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
FIV and calico
Both female cats that I have had with FIV (still have Buddy) were and are calico Michelle
Frederico
Tad that is wonderful of you to take in Frederico - so pleased he will havea happy loving home. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Merry Xmas
Merry Christmas everybody. Here's a wish that all our members and furbabies stay healthy and have a great xmas. Hideyo - I hope that you too manage to have a good xmas without too many worries about your current ongoin legal battle and hope that everything turns out well for you and you kitties. I think a paypal account would be good - they are easy to do. Thanks Jenn, Nina, Michelle and Kerryfor your massive contributions to group to everyone else who contributes to giving our kitties the best care possible. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Hallmark Xmas Card Josie
Sandy this cheered my day at work - it made me laugh so much I've sent it around to others here too. Thanks Did I mention here that we were getting a dog called Josie at the weekend - well we did and I was hearbroken as we had to return her to the sanctuary the following day - it was awful. I criticise anybody for not allowing the dog to settle and never thought I'd do it myself. She was an absolutely adorable dog who settled so well - she played with toys and was very relaxed with us. Only problem is she started to viciously attack our other dog Candy. They got along when we introduced them at the sanctuary and on their walks together - but when Josie came home she instantly went into alpha role and was attacking candy for walking into the same room as her. I was trying to restructure her attitude and pack positioning but there wasn't time. Poor Candy was shaking and getting too fearful to even walk around the house. So sad face because I hated taking her back. She would be such a loyal and loving dog with no other dogs in the house - but we have had candy 12 years and we need to keep her safe in her own home. I really thought they would get along well - didn't expect Josie turning so territorial so quickly. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
1) Callie and 2) FIV/FeLV
1) I'm so sorry to hear of Callie passing to the bridge Tad. It's a heartwrenching experience to have to send them there but Callie was a lucky girl to have a family who fought with her and loved her until the end and who eased her pain when she so needed to let go. She will always be a part of you. 2) In realtion the the FIV/FeLV mixing - Buddy and Minstrel were mixed in the sanctuary and have been together for 2.5 years. Minstrel is FeLV+ and Buddy who is FIV+ recently tested FeLV- Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Callie
Tad I'm adding my healing thoughts to help Callie. I'm so please as you must be that you found her and was able to help and comfort her when she needed it most. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Eating disorder
Poor kittie - how awful to see all your buddies and owners shot and for those who got shot and killed or paralysed too- people are so cruel. Usually I'd suggest assist feeding but the kittie is obviously traumatised and so forcing food would probably just induce more stress. Have you tried feeding the higher calorie prescription foods - they would be different from usual cat food? - maybe mix with baby food. Hope this kittie recovers from the trauma ok Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Eating disorder
Will she eat baby food with a vitamin supplement added and a taurine supplement - at least that way she is getting some of what she needs. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Eating disorder
I have also used periactin with good results but have used it with not much effect to - it depends on the cat andcan be very good inmany cases. I am wondering about the amitryptilline though. I maybe thinking completely wrong here because I am going off how antidepressents work in humans - so correct me if this is completely off track. If the problem is more anxiety based minus the depression then antidepressents can actually makesymptoms worse unless it is a depressive induced anxiety then itcould help. That is what can happen in humans but not sure about cats. And likewise if depressive induced anxiety is treated with anxiolitics then it can make it worse but anxiolitics would help anxiety alone when depression is not present. However, I've known amitryptilline medication to help cats with skin conditions as it fools them into thinking they don't care about the itchyness etc... I've know cats to be put on fluoxetine too but I personally don't think I'd risk that one. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
This makes me very sick too. I had no idea how common this was - humans are the cruelest beings to ever walk the planet. Is it any wonder we prefer the company of our animals. Bad toilet habits can be due to many things as we know - people should be required to take a basic animal healthcare exam before being allowed to keep animals in my eyes. I hate it when people get animals just to entertain their kids too - this happened to a donkey at the sanctuary and when the kids grew up and he was old the owners didn't want him anymore so he went to sanctuary. He was at deaths door and despite treatment he was so depressed that he gave up and died. He was a lovely boy too. I hate stories like this about all animals. When Buddy first came home she pooped behind the sofa because she was too scared of her new environment to go to the litter box - so I put a box behind the sofa for her. She used that for a day before she came out of hiding. Minstrel and Buddy are both fussy as was Bramble - none like their feet dirty and try and stand on the sides of tray - so cute. I have to scoop and clean every day or scoop out twice a day and clean every other day if I'm lucky. In the last few years before we lost my dog Gemma - she became very incontinent - partly due to being overweight at one point and then she lost weight but her age meant her bladder was weaker. We tried medications but she was still incontinent and even more so after her CVA (lot of urine too as she was a big dog). We would never have dreamed about euthanasing her because of that. We put up with a smelly carpet and lots of cleaning and deodorising. Bad toileting is not the animals fault and to kill them because of it is sickening. People who can do that should not be allowed to own an animal as they don't deserve them. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Rebecca
Hi Rebecca Injecting at home is good if you can manage - much less stress. I can't remember if your kitties are vegan or not. Alternatively if you cat will eat chicken or anything that is manageable if your cat is vegan - (I have to do this to when I give mine tablets now). I put minute amounts into pieces of chicken (ready cooked and sliced - can't handle any other) - I usually spend ages just doing this and then they eat the whole pills in tiny crushed amounts. I poke a hole in the food (with plastic gloves on) and put a minute amount in and then squash the food back together. You could try that with any food your cat loves. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Toilet training
I'm not sure Kerry but I'll have a search around and report back. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Toilet training
There are a few things that I'd like to ask if you've tried. 1) plug in pherimones - sometimes relaxes the animal so they don't get so territorial. Are there any other animals sharing the house (their patch)? if so put them in one room so that they develop a sense of security and keep that room free from other animals. When they are let out supervised after a while to explore then make sure that room is still kept free from other animals as it will be their little secure haven. 2) Have you tried putting newspaper or a rubber backed rug with plastic sheet under it on there toilet hotspot - you may need to gradually build up to litter - sometimes shreaded paper or old piece of carpet in a litter box may do, or material that you can wash. 3) Sometimes putting bits of food in there toilet hotspots helps as they won't toilet where they eat so sometimes keep putting food down until they learn where food doesn't go and they can safely toilet helps. All this came from a tv program about unruly pets. Cats were toileting on carpets etc - the trainer did all of the above and it cured itself rapidly. I'm not saying this will work in your case but always worth a try Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
M.G. passing
I am so sorry that your M.G. passed so soon. However, I'm sure given the option she wouldn't change a thing. She had the best care and love possible in her short time. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Test Results
I have never gone into blood test results too much before but am intrgued from the ones recently put up by Carrie (if I remember correctly). Please could someone be so kind as to educate me as to what they all mean and what is normal and abnormal - send privately if it is too long for group mail but it would be better on group as I'm sure other people here would benefit too. I've listed Carries results below Thanks Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble ALK30 ALT 50 AST 42 ALBUMIN3 3 TOTAL PROTEIN85 GLOBULIN5 2 TOTAL BILIIRUBIN 0 1 DIRECT BILIRUBIN0 0 BUN18 CREATININE0 9 CHOLESTEROL168 GLUCOSE88 CALCIUM12.1 PHOSPHORUS8.0 CHLORIDE107 POTASSIUM5.8 SODIUM153 A/G RATIO06 B/C RATIO20 0 INDIRECT BILIRUBIN0 1 NA/K RATIO26 HEMOLYSIS INDEX25 LIPEMIA INDEX43 WBC15.6 RBC6.51 HGB 10.2 HCT31.7 MCV49 MCH15.7 MCHC32.2 NEUTROPHIL SEG79 LYMPHOCYTES12 MONOCYTES6 EOSINOPHIL3 AUTO PLATELET276 SLIDE REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY NO HEMOBARTONELLA (NOW CALLED MYCOPASMA) SEEN PLATELETS-CLUMPED ABSOLUTE NEUTROPHIL SEG12324 ABSOLUTE LYMPHOCYTE 1872 ABSOLUTE MONOCYTE936 ABSOLUTE EOSINOPHIL468
Evil Vegan
Yes good post Rebecca. I agree it is about respecting each others choices and not pushing our beliefs onto other people. I have been lucky this time around. I have been vegetarian for 22 years and in that time been vegan twice - once at 15 until I was 18 and then again for the last year and this time I have researched and planned it for life. A friend of mine criticised me for being vegetarian - he is a full blown carnivore but said to me he thought I was hypocritical fighting for animal welfare if I was not a vegan. I actually disagree with that and think any compassion helps more none but it triggered me into more research and I have to say that it was the best comment he ever made because I remembered why I turned vegan at 15 and realised I would personally be happier as a vegan. This time friends and family had a few concerns but on the whole have been really supportive and accepting. And even people I didn't expect would be supportive have been intrigued, asked serious questions and said good luck as they wish they were able to do it themselves in some ways. In restauraunts I don't mind being fussy I don't mind saying it's because I'm vegan. One restauraunt even put toghether a fine roasted veg platter because the chef wanted to make sure my meal looked good and filling. But unless anyone asks anymore I don't say any more about my beliefs. Some people have wanted to know more and have been educated to some degree but others just prefer to not know which is their choice. The only thing that really drives me mad now (and I'm pleased to say it doesn't happen much anymore) is when people know you are vegetarian or vegan and stick meat under your nose saying here do you want some of this - just to annoy me - I think that is just the worst. Other than that I don't have too many problems - I accept people who eat meat around me (although I do get silently squemish if someone has a raw or medium raw steak - would never say anything to the person who is eating it though) and they accept that I will never handle or cook it for them. Maybe it is more acceptable here in UK than in parts of USA I don't know how well people accept it there as I've never been - would love to venture over there someday though. We even have quite a large vegan grocery store not to far from where I work which is very handy as they sell lots of goodies. I've just had a houmous, rocket, beetroot and sunflower seed sandwich and then an orange and carrot muffin. Our local Tesco and Sainsbury supermarkets also stock a good range of supplies and we have quite a few vegetarian cafes around the region that cater for vegan too so it makes life easier. And my Buddy loves licking the soya magarine from my fingers bless her, although she and Minstrel cry more for their own food. I am diagnosed as having SAD so I have a dawn simulating body clock to wake me up in the morning. The light gradually comes on about 6.30 to wake me up at 7am. Buddy was up at 6.30am this morning, as soon as she saw a little bit of light she was jumping on me licking my face and head butting me because she thinks it is breakfast time. Although it's slightly earlier than planned there is no better way to wake up than with the fur kids butting you. If my partner woke me up I'd be grumpy but when the fur kids wake me up all I can do is smile and relish in the moment. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Carrie
If it was just the revolution it should have at least calmed calmed dow after one month but as I discovered the revolution exacerbated what were mild ataxia and seizures in Bramble into full blown seizure with involuntary motor movements - he muscles were rigid and he was terrified. Luckily after standing my ground with vets he improved for a while. The most severe time time is 14 hours after revolution is put on the skin - that is when it is most potent, And then it is in th esystem for upto 4 weeks. Bramble too had an FIP looking belly. Do your acts pupils dilate during this - test if they repond to light. Does you r cat ever appear blind or partially blind at any time and how often is this seizure activity happening. Have you been on the epi-felines groups to ask them about seizures - if not get on there. The more input you get the better. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Welcome Rebecca
Hi Rebecca Welcome to group. I too am 30 and vegan although I work in Psychology not audiology. My animals are not vegan although my dog goes mad for carrots. All 3 of my dogs went mad for carrots but I only have 1 left now - the others had to be put to sleep due to old age related ailments. In fact when my boy Deano was here he had about 6 teeth out so we had to cook his carrots so they were soft following the operation. Then about 2 weeks later I caught him pinching a big raw carrot out of the bag and he lay for about 20 mins patiently grinding the carrot down with his front teeth - bless him. The vet prescribed carrots for Gemma who needed to lose weight at the time and all 3 got hooked. Now I only have Candy left of my dogs but she is still as hooked - we just give her a carrot to keep her quiet now. Your comment about your ex boyfriend made me laugh too. My boyfriend would not have another pet when our recue Cat tidge died (unexpected FIV related illnesses) so I moved back home with my parents and took in 3 immune compromised cats from the sanctuary. We are still together but just don't see each other much nor live together which I prefer. I too wish I could afford to just cuddle up with the fur babies full time and dedicate my whole time to being a full time animal mother. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Mix of subjects
Firstly - Yes when people were kindly offering advice about nutrition and recipees for liver shakes etc - I was struggling with cans of fish - at arms length wrapping kitchen roll around it so I didn't get fish oil on me. My cats had to take medication in ready cooked sliced chicken because I can't handle it. I'd be in tears if I had to cook it. If it's sliced and diced I can just tolerate at arms length. If it looks like a bird or animal still or has blood then I can't touch it and can't cook it. I am ok emptying a pouch of cat food but not much more - hopelessLOL. Secondly - Thanks Jenn for mentioning again the dangers of revolution. If it hadn't been for all the help with Bramble over the revolution case then I wouldn't have got the last two months of his life with him. It certainly did nearly end his life earlier than need be. Thirdly - Thanks all for stories of cat poo and dogs pinching bananas - i have been giggling away at these creatures looking so innocent but doing what they want.Animals are so amazing. Finally - has anyone ever used the Dog Appeasing Ferimones. We just got one for our dog Candy. Since we lost Gemma she has been showing signs of anxiety and just startedurinating at night in the kitchen which is not like her at all. She is constantly attention seeking too - gemma was the boss so I think Candy is now a little confused as her place in the pack has been shaken up. It's about 4 weeks since Gemma died and Candy still has the odd look around for her. just wondered if anyoe had used with their dogs and how long they took to work. Michelle, Minstrel, buddy Angel Bramble
Lancelot
So sorry to hear of Lancelot passing to the bridge Gloria. It is so heartwrenching but he knew he was loved and he had the best time possible with you. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel, Angel Bramble
Garfunkle
That is such good news about Garfunkle - I'm so pleased he decided he didn't want to go to the bridge just yet. Keep it up Garfunkle xx Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Garfunkle
What great news - hope Garfunkle goes from strength to strength and that you are also managing to get the research together that you wanted Hideyo. Hope you got my mails ok. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
FIP
Hi if you need info on Corona not causing FIP in most cases then I suggest you contact Dianne Addie at Glasgow University in UK. She has a website on FIP and corona viruses as she has been researching it for many years and is teh leading expert here in UK. http://www.dr-addie.com Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Dr Dianne Addie
Hideyo I forgot to say that if you do contact Dianne Addie then state your history and involvement in feline rescue as I am sure you would anyway. But as a rule Glasgow University are not at liberty to provide information to anyone other that vets. When I contacted her I said I was involved in animal rescue and asked if she had any reference to research that I was interested in at the time and stated in my mail that if she was unable to give that information to me directly could she please pass it to my vet (who would then give it to me). She actually contacted me but alas no info available on paediatric FIV which is what I wanted. I'm sure she must have some references that would be appropriate for you though. She has researched FIP for nearly 20 years and been involved in FIV research as I'm sure you know already. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Euthasol in vein
I'm glad you mentioned that Jenn - I wasn't sure how much info to leave or not but it is an important one. When I had to have Tidge put to sleep the sedatiev worked quickly but her veins collapsed as teh sedative causes a drop in blood pressure so the vet had to go through her stomache. I can't remember if it was blue or pink - my dogs always had blue but for some reason pink stands out in my mind for tidge. It took her about 5 mins to pass which seemed like forever. She ended up needing another dose which the vet said she couldn't believe it - she had teh dose for a dog. She was just about to have her 3rd dose when she passed. ALthough sedated and peaceful - it was not pleasant and I pray that all future cats manange to have it in their leg. Bramble actually fough the sedation and vomited a couple of times with it and then we decided to do the euthasol before he got too sleepy as the sedation was interfering with his breathing. He was a little sedated and he had the injection in his leg and passed very quickly. My dogs Gemma and Deano both had sedation which worked and then passed quickly wit hthe injection in their leg. I still wouldn't do a pts without sedation despite the negative side affect possibilities. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Cricket's feeding Tube
Fingers crossed for Cricket - I hope this works out Will be waiting with anticipation to hear how he goes on Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Cricket
So sorry to hear of Cricket's passing after his and your brave fight. I am however [leased that he woke you up and that you got to be with him at that crucial time. He trusted you enough and wanted to be with you when he knew he had to go - that is so special. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Cricket
So sorry to hear Cricket is crossing to the bridge. I had both Tidge and Bramble PTS with a sedative first. I have had good and bad experiences with sedatives before the pts injection but even so I would never pts without giving a sedative first. What I've found is that even if they have a reaction to the sedative they are less likely to be aware than they would be without the sedative. Prayers for Cricket that he will have a peaceful and quick passing. It's never easy but at times like this when you know in your heart they are suffering with no hope of improvement then I feel it is the kindest thing to do. Cricket knows he was loved and cared for and you gave him every chance in life. Having someone to drive you home afterwards is always a good thing. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Prayers for Hideyo
Prayers coming your way for you and your babies Hideyo - hope all works out well. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Max
I too feel anger at owner who owned Bramble and Tidge before I had them for a short time - both FIV+. However the fact that they trusted me and loved me for that short time as Max did with you is an honour and they let us know we at least made them happy and gave them a sense of safety. I think you know Max got that from you and I'm sure Max was very grateful and would never have changed that time no matter how short. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Animal communication
Wendy Our animals certainly know when we are unhappy and worried which we generally are when they are sick. I think the most important thing is that you are just honest with them and relaxed - tell cricket how you are feeling and that you may cry because you care etc... I'm sure one day you will experience communication. I think it depends on the animal too but don't give up. Thanks for the wensite link - I'll have a look at that. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel
Animal communication
Wendy I don't know if you were a member when I had Bramble so apologies if you heard this already and to those who have already heard this story as many of you have. I had never really attempted animal communication before either but decided to try following advice from people here when I hit a dilema with Bramble. I only had him 6 months in total from the sanctuary - he was FIV and already sick when I took him in. He had many problems including calicivirus, dental probs, skin probs, keratitis etc... I gave all 3 of my cats revolution for flea prevention - here inUK there was no warning on packaging against giving it to cats with diseases or underweight cats. Bramble went into quite nasty seizures for a couple of days after I put the revolution on him and at first I was assured it was FIV in his CNS and to put him to sleep. Something was telling me this was wrong and people here gave me info and experiencesin relation toreactions from flea meds - so I held out and his seizures got less severe. There's no doubt he had CNSprobs from FIV related illnessbut the revolutionjust massively exacerbated it andthen hereturned to his normal levels of seizureactivity afterwards. He did well for another couple of months. During this time I was told by people here about communicating with animals and decided to try. I explained to Bramble how much I loved him and wanted to help him and that I'd miss him if he wasn't here. But I told him that I didn't want him to be in pain and if he had had enough and wanted to let go then it was ok for him to do that and I'd be here with him. I told him that he could leave hisbody and his spirit could stay here and that he could be here orcome to mewhenever he wanted.I also told him to let me know in some way if he felt he needed help and explained to him what would happen with euthanasia. Bramble got very restless and upset and walked away from me in a sulk and giving me definite unhappy signals.I took this to mean he wasn't ready and he calmed down when I acknowledged this and told him it was ok and I was happy to keep fighting with him. At this point I was so confused and prayed each night for a sign that I was doing the right thing. One night the face of my angel tidge (last FIV cat) appeared ina dream and a voice saying keep going. Bramble improved with good vet and my care for another 2 months. Unfortunately he ended up getting another bout of calici which he didn't shake off with Virbagen Omega and he entered into acute kidney failure. He stopped eating and I was having to assist feed hoping it would make him eat again but it didn't - he just got stressed and was trying to hide. I knew in my heart he was giving up so I brought him out from hiding and did the whole talk with him again as I did before. This timehe just lay on me purring as I talked to him and when I told him I'd help him if heneeded me tohe moved his paw up and gave me a gentle squeeze and it was as if he was saying "yes I've had enough now" and he was the most comfortable he'd been all week. I made the appointment and he was put to sleep that day.That last hour ofhaving him content with his paw on my shoulder was priceless.Although it hurts so much anytime you have to lose your babies it was probably the only one true time that I didn't feel guilty about putting to sleep. I never pts unless I know it's the right thing to do but there is still usually some feeling of guilt and the what if's in me.This was certainly the right time and I was happy that everything had been done for him in the time I had him. Whereas if I'd put to sleep the 2 months prior to thatit would have left me riddled with guiltbecause Bramble wasn't ready to go. I would not have believed the power of that communication had I not been through it with Bramble. Still hurts and I still cry as I write about it even now because I can still feel his little squeeze but I can honestly say I had never experienced communication with an animal like I did with Bramble - I got that because I opened my mind to it - now I'm converted - and it got me 2 more precious months with my angel boy.. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Ringworm
Ringworm in humans generally doesn't present as spots. It will generally look like circles under your skin and can itch. Drove me mad itching i thought it was prickly heat. The iodiene did stop the spores spreading from Bramble to Minstrel and Buddy though - they didn't get it and they are in close contact. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Iodiene
Iodiene just helps to stop the fungal spores from spreading. It doesn't have any therapeutic effect but I think just the fact it is cold from the fridge that gives a little soothing effect for them. It is also good for preventing secondary bacterial infection (like bacterial folliculitis) setting in over the top of ringworm. Bramble had both, bless him. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Ringworm
Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing too. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Chinese cat and dog fur
Yes unfortunately very true. It is much cheaper to import cat and dog fur from china than fake fur. Last year I voiced my disgust at a couple of shops here in the uk for passing furry ball scarfs off as fake - they were not labelled and smelled like animal and you could see the animal skin it was so poorly made. I ended up repoting the shops to peta and getting fur trade info sent out to them. The chinese fur trade is cruel beyond belief. Peta recently got some undercover video footage which I daren't watch because I'll be tootraumatised. They do skin alive as they believe the adrenylin pumping provides for a better quality pelt. They steal people's pets too for the fur - the whole thing is sick. I know peta are often seen as extreme but on this one they appear to be spot on sadly. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble (After my sighting I played Bramble's favourite music and had his ashes casket on one shoulder and tidge's on the other telling them I'm happy for them to be with me whenever they want)
Shadows and Bramble
I thought I'd share this I had a strange exprience this morning. I got up around 6.30am to go to the bathroom which is next door to my bedroom. It was dark and I did not put any lights on as I intended to go back to bed. Of course the cats stay with me and I close the door so they don't get anywhere near my dog Candy (still strange saying dog instead of dogs). For a second I saw the perfectly formed silhouette of a cat walk out from my bedroom and stopped in front of the bathroom. I thought I had left my door ajar and that Minstrel was coming out of the bedroom for a look around. I was clapping my hands and hurrying to stop her going downstairs but the cat shadow just stayed there not moving. When I got up and went over there was nothing there and my door was shut tight so it was definitely not Minstrel. I didn't think anything of it at the time but I do believe in spirits and that space outside the bathroom is where Bramble liked to lie. He used to walk from the bedroom and lie there if I was in the bathroom. It's bizarre but I do wonder if he's found his way home. If he has then it's the first time I've ever seen the spirit of a pet who I put to sleep. I did have the ghost of one of my dogs when she died at home with cancer but she dissapeared when Gemma, Deano Candy appeared - it was nice to have her there though - she would appear walking out from her usual spots to get her toast in the morning. It may have been nothing but the silhouette was so defined and walked out so clearly. Fingers crossed - I will talk to my angels as I do sometimes and ask them to revisit. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Mandy
Prayers going out for Mandy's soul as she goes to the bridge. It's heart breaking but I understand what you say about the value of having a lovely last day together - it is priceless. I hope you can be comforted knowing she loved and trusted you enough to do the right thing and she showed that by wanting to be with you when she was sick. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Positive Thoughts
Hello Sorry for not replying to all individually but as I read through the many posts I see so many heartbreaking stories again of our sick kitties. So I would just like to add my positive thoughts to all our sick kitties and our other animals. I'm sure they all gain comfort knowing that they are safe and loving hands to help them through the difficult times. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel, Angel Bramble
Switching from kitten food to cat food
Although I have my kitties I've always had adult kitties and never kittens and some one asked me a question I couldn't answer yesterday. Does anyone know what age kittens should be on average before you start weaning them from kitten food onto general adult cat food? I suspected introducing gradually after 6 months but not sure as I've never done it myself. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Wrongful death of cat
I had to post this because I couldn't believe what I was reading. It is FIV and not FeLV but still this place is supposed to be a humane society and they would treat FeLV in the same way. The message came from a lady on the FIV group and it really did sicken me. If anyone wants to post her with advice I'll get her email address. hello,my name is angela and i am new to the group,sadly i join you under bad cercumstances.i live in pasadena,texas and just yesterday i took my 6 month old cat to the houston humane society's wellness clinic to be tested and recive his shots.they told me he tested positive for fiv and that it was highly contagous and he could not live with it.they said i had to sign him over to them to be put to sleep.i cant even begain to tell you how devistated i was,so reluctintly i gave him to them. later on i was looking around on the net and found out this was not true at all! i even call several vets they all informed me that i had many options other than death.now i am even more devistated,why would the houmane society do this? they never told me i had other options,had they i never would have put him down,i am both heart broken and very mad.i am trying to find out what action if any i can take to make sure they never do this to another cat and person again! if you have any info or idea please let me know,i could really use the help and support! thank you,angela
Mandy and Eduardo
Julie You are going through a rough time and my prayers are with you. Pleased that Eduardo came back so lets hope he gets stronger from here. So sorry about Mandy not doing so well. Also good thought going out to all furbabies who are doing doing so well at the moment and also to protect the souls of our loved rainbow bridge kids. Thankyou also to the person who added Gemma to the CLS. Would it be possible to add Tidge to the friends section of CLS (died 27th march 2005). She was my first cat who turned out to be FIV and inspired me to continue helping the immune compromised cat. She was before I joined this group but was still a huge part of me and the reason I took Bramble, Minstrel and Buddy. Just a possible request but will understand if it isn't possible. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel bramble
Fleas
One of the FIV group members once told us his flea ridding story and I couldn't stop laughing. He said use a comb which I agree after seeing the horror of topical flea treatments I wouldn't use them on an FIV or FeLV cat again. He said when you get a flea off pop it in some water in a pot with a lid on and when he had them all he put the pot of fleas in water in the microwave for 30 seconds or so for good measure. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel, Angel Bramble
