Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
I used to caccinate until one of my cats had a very bad reaction. We do not have much exposure to other animals and so I do not see the need for vaccines. Rachel Dagner wrote: > I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your > cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some > oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending > your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and > supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that > of your animals. > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of > *ROBERT CHAPEL > *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge... > > > > I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her > pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to " > all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard > understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology. I am > not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is > BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual > MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and > who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the > conclusions they draw. Silly people who are fond of saying that " The > Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding > these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with > their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are > given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know > what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets > are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in > the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group > practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their > decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO > important to NOT run from Vet to Vet... find one that you basically trust > and stay with them!! Same with MD's Even if they are under pressure > to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to > count for "something" over time and modify their approach. Most > importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about > your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate > the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not > paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached > a different conclusion The Vet I saw the other day who really did > give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but > was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly > > ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to > prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house > ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it) > > The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same > profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more > cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure > Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that > were responsible for my guys improvement.. Who is the better vet?? > I don't know... I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to > develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I > find one that I trust right out of the Box... ( BTWEACH one of the > Vets mentioned were recommended to me).. > > Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition... > The brief " take away "... We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and > we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can > be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different > than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you > ask for a "half pound".. I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at > this dilution of the meaning of professional. Now we really DO have to > keep both eyes open > > until we know our " professional" well. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
AMEN!! Rachel Dagner wrote: > I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your > cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some > oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending > your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and > supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that > of your animals. > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of > *ROBERT CHAPEL > *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge... > > > > I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her > pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to " > all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard > understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology. I am > not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is > BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual > MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and > who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the > conclusions they draw. Silly people who are fond of saying that " The > Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding > these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with > their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are > given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know > what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets > are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in > the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group > practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their > decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO > important to NOT run from Vet to Vet... find one that you basically trust > and stay with them!! Same with MD's Even if they are under pressure > to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to > count for "something" over time and modify their approach. Most > importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about > your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate > the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not > paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached > a different conclusion The Vet I saw the other day who really did > give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but > was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly > > ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to > prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house > ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it) > > The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same > profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more > cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure > Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that > were responsible for my guys improvement.. Who is the better vet?? > I don't know... I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to > develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I > find one that I trust right out of the Box... ( BTWEACH one of the > Vets mentioned were recommended to me).. > > Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition... > The brief " take away "... We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and > we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can > be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different > than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you > ask for a "half pound".. I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at > this dilution of the meaning of professional. Now we really DO have to > keep both eyes open > > until we know our " professional" well. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that of your animals. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *ROBERT CHAPEL *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge... I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to " all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology. I am not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the conclusions they draw. Silly people who are fond of saying that " The Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO important to NOT run from Vet to Vet... find one that you basically trust and stay with them!! Same with MD's Even if they are under pressure to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to count for "something" over time and modify their approach. Most importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached a different conclusion The Vet I saw the other day who really did give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it) The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that were responsible for my guys improvement.. Who is the better vet?? I don't know... I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I find one that I trust right out of the Box... ( BTWEACH one of the Vets mentioned were recommended to me).. Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition... The brief " take away "... We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you ask for a "half pound".. I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at this dilution of the meaning of professional. Now we really DO have to keep both eyes open until we know our " professional" well. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...
I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to " all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology. I am not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the conclusions they draw. Silly people who are fond of saying that " The Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know what they are talking about" : ) We run that risk here as well Vets are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO important to NOT run from Vet to Vet... find one that you basically trust and stay with them!! Same with MD's Even if they are under pressure to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to count for "something" over time and modify their approach. Most importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached a different conclusion The Vet I saw the other day who really did give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly ( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it) The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that were responsible for my guys improvement.. Who is the better vet?? I don't know... I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I find one that I trust right out of the Box... ( BTWEACH one of the Vets mentioned were recommended to me).. Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition... The brief " take away "... We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you ask for a "half pound".. I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at this dilution of the meaning of professional. Now we really DO have to keep both eyes open until we know our " professional" well. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
The only ones who might have contact would be the2 year olds, but a cat would have to wander in from town and that is 2 miles away. They are more likely to have contact with mice, moles, rabbits, groundhog, snakes, maybe a skunk, but have not seen or smelled one of those for several years now. Thanks for confirming my thoughts on vaccinations. Had not thought of a waiver for the older girls. Margo wrote: > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
No vaccine is 100% I've been mixing mine for over 10 years & have had no negative, vaccinated cats catch the virus. Even my 2 vaccinated FIV cats never caught it. And I have had the negatives retested several times. I've had as many as 5 positives & 5 negatives at one time. No transmission. I'd say the vaccine is pretty effective. Of coarse I think cats get more immune to it as they age. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: "cer...@new.rr.com" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines I have a question about vaccines against FeLeuk itself. I have read that they are not entirely effective, at least not in their current form. Any thoughts? I mean the ones you give your non-positive cats when mixing with those who actually have it. Thanks-Chris C. From: Margo Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
I have a question about vaccines against FeLeuk itself. I have read that they are not entirely effective, at least not in their current form. Any thoughts? I mean the ones you give your non-positive cats when mixing with those who actually have it. Thanks-Chris C. From: Margo Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines . Good morning, > > Do the ones who go outside have possible contact with other cats? If they were vaccinated against panleukopenia after 20 weeks of age, and had at least one booster after a year, I would probably forego future vaccines, except for the one manated by law in most places (rabies). You could even ask your Vet for a rabies waiver for the older cats. Some will, some won't, and in some places it's not legal, but it's worth asking :) I would avoid vaccinating the + cat. > >HTH, > >Margo p.s. Sorry, somehow I missed the part about little contact with strays, so I'd be comfortable with discontinuing vaccines for the oldest cats if they had a series previously. The risk for your others would be mostly for the URIs (RC+C of the FVRCCP), which aren't usually fatal, and I think require cat-cat contact to transmit. Depending on when they were last vaccinated, I would probably do one more with panleuk, as that can remain active in the soil for years. The panluek vaccine is very effective (and I believe for life), but I haven't seen any actual documentation of more than 7 years trials. > >HTH > >>^..^< > >-Original Message- >>From: dlg...@windstream.net >>Sent: May 22, 2013 5:17 AM >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Cc: Margo >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction >> >>I have a question re vaccinations> I have 2 15 year olds, one never goes out, she is terrified of outside and the other goes down on the ground to potty and then back to the deck for a snooze in the sun. Another 8 year old goes out very little and another tht stays on the deck. Do they need vaccinations? FELV they need as I have 1 positive cat, but do they need the others as their chances of contracting anything from strays, etc are very slim> . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vaccines
. Good morning,>> Do the ones who go outside have possible contact with other cats? If they were vaccinated against panleukopenia after 20 weeks of age, and had at least one booster after a year, I would probably forego future vaccines, except for the one manated by law in most places (rabies). You could even ask your Vet for a rabies waiver for the older cats. Some will, some won't, and in some places it's not legal, but it's worth asking :) I would avoid vaccinating the + cat.>>HTH,>>Margo p.s. Sorry, somehow I missed the part about little contact with strays, so I'd be comfortable with discontinuing vaccines for the oldest cats if they had a series previously. The risk for your others would be mostly for the URIs (RC+C of the FVRCCP), which aren't usually fatal, and I think require cat-cat contact to transmit. Depending on when they were last vaccinated, I would probably do one more with panleuk, as that can remain active in the soil for years. The panluek vaccine is very effective (and I believe for life), but I haven't seen any actual documentation of more than 7 years trials.>>HTH>>>^..^< >>-Original Message->>From: dlg...@windstream.net>>Sent: May 22, 2013 5:17 AM>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>Cc: Margo >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IntroductionI have a question re vaccinations> I have 2 15 year olds, one never goes out, she is terrified of outside and the other goes down on the ground to potty and then back to the deck for a snooze in the sun. Another 8 year old goes out very little and another tht stays on the deck. Do they need vaccinations? FELV they need as I have 1 positive cat, but do they need the others as their chances of contracting anything from strays, etc are very slim>. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vaccines, including "Why do we vaccinate our cats and dogs?"
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
I really like the way your vet thinks and wish more had the same protocols. Unfortunately mine doesn't so I direct him as to my wishes for my pets when they have ANYTHING done in the office now so I control what is done to them. Knowledge really is power and I just wish there weren't so many that blindly trust their doctors, veterniarians and the general 'powers that be' in our society without educating themselves first. I had to learn this lesson the hard way after my cats got sick. They were vaccinated and spayed/neutered the same day when their immune system was now in hindsight being compromised by an active coronavirus mutation and the weakness allowed it to further develop into FIP. One had wet (Gus, who died at 9 months) and one had dry (Scout who died at 8 months). Neither of these cats had FeLV and only received distemper and rabies vaccines and were 100% healthy prior to their surgeries/vaccinations. That's enough about that, I just hope people can benefit from my terrible experience. Michelle Brockman "It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered" > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:52:54 -0400 > From: at...@optonline.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing > > My veterinarian NEVER vaccinates cats at the time of surgery, > illness...unlike many vets who insist on vaccinating no matter how ill the > cats are.Cat owners do not bother finding out which vaccines to choose > or not, depending on a cat's lifestylemany blindly accept a vet's > vaccine protocolgetting FeLV and FIV vaccines when it isn't warranted, > neither going outside or exposed to other cats who might have it.I have > yet to see a vet who adheres to the latest protocol for FVRCP instead of > yearly, every three years. It's all about the money with many > vets.Personally, I have not have cats with injection site sarcomas, nor > from FeLV vaccines - have never used them yet. I have only two healthy > FeLV+ cats that are very healthy. > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Vaccines
yes, i was going to suggest that people check into this--AND even ask your vet, about having them get you a flat of 25 vaccines for you to administer yourself. to fully protect them, you need to do the initial dose and then a second in two to three weeks. from there, theoretically, annual shots are required. whether or not that's actually the case is up for debate, as immunity should be immunity--with the relatively low infection rate in healthy adults cats, i seriously question whether or not the annual boosters are needed. but i'm a heretic, as you all know. with healthy, negative cats, despite what "they" would have predicted. MC On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:33 PM, wrote: > I bought the vaccine and my sister-in-law was able to vaccinate my young > negatives for much much > less than I would have to pay at the vet. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Vaccines
I bought the vaccine and my sister-in-law was able to vaccinate my young negatives for much much less than I would have to pay at the vet. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
My two positives were vaccinated for years (I was ignorant and so, apparently, was our vet). Squeaky always became very sick for 3 days after the vaccination. It didn't faze Stripes but he was always kind of sick on and off. That was the ONLY time Squeaky was ever sick. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines Hi Gloria, I have been considering giving all my positives the vaccine, just on the outside chance it might actually help. I'll give the shots myself, so the expense won't be that much. Unfortunately, none of us has a large enough sample to make for a real research project with statistically significant results. Also, I don't think I could withhold from some and give to others, I would feel too guilty. Many of us who care for FeLV cats give them various things to boost their immune system, but because there has been no real research, we are mostly just guessing. Best Friends gives their FeLV cats .5ml of Immuno Regulin sub-q every month. I asked their vet why and you will never guess what he said. They do it because that was what was being done when he got there. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats. I have two 12-13 yr old cats, that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually. Her vet believed in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine. I just spoke with one of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten. This vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction. Never heard of that. Be interesting to research this topic. But the 2 cats I have are the only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
how wonderful to see this discussion! and even tho none of us individually may have enough cats to be statistically significant (tho one of us, wink wink, may get there soon, gary), as a GROUP we might and even if we fall below the magic number of 30, if we have actual, real-time (as opposed to historical) data with dates of innoculation, health and age info etc., collected as we go along, we stand a whole lot greater chance of having the info looked at by the folks doing research. if we can show them a pattern, in a direction that they most probably are NOT looking, it could truly lead somewhere wonderful as for the safety of vaxing positives, the only thing i've ever heard negative was that it was a waste of money and vaccine to give it to known positives! MC On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:59 PM, gary wrote: > Hi Gloria, > > I have been considering giving all my positives the vaccine, just on the > outside chance it might actually help. I'll give the shots myself, so the > expense won't be that much. Unfortunately, none of us has a large enough > sample to make for a real research project with statistically significant > results. Also, I don't think I could withhold from some and give to > others, > I would feel too guilty. > > Many of us who care for FeLV cats give them various things to boost their > immune system, but because there has been no real research, we are mostly > just guessing. Best Friends gives their FeLV cats .5ml of Immuno Regulin > sub-q every month. I asked their vet why and you will never guess what he > said. They do it because that was what was being done when he got there. > > Gary > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:17 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines > > I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats. I have two 12-13 yr old cats, > that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually. Her vet believed > in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine. I just spoke with one > of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten. This > vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a > couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other > being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok > to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction. > Never heard of that. > > Be interesting to research this topic. But the 2 cats I have are the > only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old. > > Gloria > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
Hi Gloria, I have been considering giving all my positives the vaccine, just on the outside chance it might actually help. I'll give the shots myself, so the expense won't be that much. Unfortunately, none of us has a large enough sample to make for a real research project with statistically significant results. Also, I don't think I could withhold from some and give to others, I would feel too guilty. Many of us who care for FeLV cats give them various things to boost their immune system, but because there has been no real research, we are mostly just guessing. Best Friends gives their FeLV cats .5ml of Immuno Regulin sub-q every month. I asked their vet why and you will never guess what he said. They do it because that was what was being done when he got there. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats. I have two 12-13 yr old cats, that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually. Her vet believed in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine. I just spoke with one of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten. This vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction. Never heard of that. Be interesting to research this topic. But the 2 cats I have are the only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
Vaccinations scare me. Not vaccinating scares me. It is a crapshoot. You have two cats that were vaccinated against FELV and were FELV+ and have lived long lives. We had an older cat who we had no vet records on so had to give the Rabies vaccination on, by law. We also gave him a distemper vaccination. He developed AIHA (AutoImmune Hemolytic Anemia) and died after a brave struggle. Could have been caused by either or both vaccinations. On 3/30/09, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats. I have two 12-13 yr old cats, > that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually. Her vet believed > in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine. I just spoke with one > of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten. This > vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a > couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other > being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok > to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction. > Never heard of that. > > Be interesting to research this topic. But the 2 cats I have are the > only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old. > > Gloria > > > > On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:51 PM, gary wrote: > >> There is no problem with giving a FeLV positive cat the FeLV >> vaccine. Some >> would say it was just a waste of money (for the positive cat) but >> there are >> people on the FeLV lists that have given their positives cats the >> vaccine >> every year and some claim to have some very old cats with FeLV. I >> believe >> one had had a cat that lived to be 22. I don't think there is any >> hard >> evidence as to whether it helps or not, but it won't hurt them. >> >> I'm sure you will hear from others who do it. >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie >> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:22 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines >> >> I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV >> negative years ago when I adopted them. However they are inside - >> outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home >> to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg. but there is always >> that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be >> inaccurate >> >> I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please >> give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first, >> or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all >> appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would >> the vaccine hurt them?? >> >> Thanks for your help, >> >> Lorrie >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help with medical expenses for two very special kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/medical-expenses "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
I'm one of the ones with old FELV cats. I have two 12-13 yr old cats, that I got from someone else, in Oklahoma actually. Her vet believed in vaccinating FELV cats with the FELV vaccine. I just spoke with one of my vets about that, as I took in a new little FELV kitten. This vet suggested there's no consensus about vaccinations, and there are a couple of schools of thought - one being yes vaccinate them, the other being no don't. As I recall, she suggested also that it's probably ok to do the vaccination, but a small no. of cats may have a reaction. Never heard of that. Be interesting to research this topic. But the 2 cats I have are the only ones I have, that have lived beyond 3-4 yrs old. Gloria On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:51 PM, gary wrote: There is no problem with giving a FeLV positive cat the FeLV vaccine. Some would say it was just a waste of money (for the positive cat) but there are people on the FeLV lists that have given their positives cats the vaccine every year and some claim to have some very old cats with FeLV. I believe one had had a cat that lived to be 22. I don't think there is any hard evidence as to whether it helps or not, but it won't hurt them. I'm sure you will hear from others who do it. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV negative years ago when I adopted them. However they are inside - outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg. but there is always that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be inaccurate I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first, or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would the vaccine hurt them?? Thanks for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
There is no problem with giving a FeLV positive cat the FeLV vaccine. Some would say it was just a waste of money (for the positive cat) but there are people on the FeLV lists that have given their positives cats the vaccine every year and some claim to have some very old cats with FeLV. I believe one had had a cat that lived to be 22. I don't think there is any hard evidence as to whether it helps or not, but it won't hurt them. I'm sure you will hear from others who do it. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV negative years ago when I adopted them. However they are inside - outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg. but there is always that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be inaccurate I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first, or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would the vaccine hurt them?? Thanks for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
Lorrie, JMO but if they have never been vaccinated I'd have them tested before getting the vaccine. Sharyl --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lorrie wrote: > From: Lorrie > Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 1:21 PM > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > I have several cats who are 5+ years > old, and all tested FelV > negative years ago when I adopted them. However they > are inside - > outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring > home > to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg. but > there is always > that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test > may be > inaccurate > > I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in > case. Please > give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them > all first, > or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing > them. They all > appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be > pos. would > the vaccine hurt them?? > > Thanks for your help, > > Lorrie > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vaccines
I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV negative years ago when I adopted them. However they are inside - outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg. but there is always that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be inaccurate I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first, or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would the vaccine hurt them?? Thanks for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
