Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Good morning Can you please remove me from this mailing list. Best WishesMirinda Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 9:36, Amani Oakley wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Jennifer – open mouth breathing and pain are also signs of severe anemia. I am sure that Maribel knows her cat and the situation much better than we can ever know it. I think it is important to encourage and support each other when we are trying to save a cat. I know that I have saved far far far too many cats who had been labeled as dying, and not save-able. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: August 6, 2020 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Dear Maribel, for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the actual dying process, in any final stages of dying, you are doing more harm than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of respiratory distress) and pain (moaning). When a body is dying, it naturally stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice experience.Please try to talk to your vets, or research ‘stages of dying’ in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, brighthaven.org<http://brighthaven.org> is an excellent resource for this information and guidance that I have referenced — they also have amazingly compassionate consultations if you need guidance of what to look for...)... Wishing you and Amy love and comfort... Jennifer On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging. i was syringe feeding my 12 year old Homey. had to cover my lap . i mixed the canned food with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe. then broke my right arm and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her alive. she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg. also after started giving treats as reward for taking pill. loves the treats but not her food. have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go. going to try your method of balling up the food. may be neater and get more down her. - Original Message - From: Maribel Piloto mailto:pilo...@bellsouth.net>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giv
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Do you mean you ordered the Winstrol already from Wedgewood, or are you referring to pain medication being ordered? Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 6, 2020 11:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I ordered it from Wedgewood already. Problem is that even paying $30 for overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday. They need time to compound it and then there’s the weekend. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful. Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just be rubbed into the inside of the ears. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
I ordered it from Wedgewood already. Problem is that even paying $30 for overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday. They need time to compound it and then there’s the weekend. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered > the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful. > > Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, > etc.? If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that > will put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the > vet can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some > pain medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which > can just be rubbed into the inside of the ears. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to > syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started > breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now > and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but > after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was > only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. > > They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is > neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite > and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I > fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in > South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around > here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it > seems. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree > that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and > you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. > > One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft > wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open > their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets > spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have > found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a > bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually > after a few sittings though. > > I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food > into a cat who won't eat on her own. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order > it. > > Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving > her some subq fluids. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > > may be able to order it sooner. > > > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but > > Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell > > from his behaviour. > > > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to > > you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > > option. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > > Piloto > > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > > To: felvtalk@f
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful. Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just be rubbed into the inside of the ears. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying > from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the > transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the > drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Maribel - I'm sorry, I didn't see in your original email that you have already been in contact with Wedgewood. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Hi Maribel - When my beloved kitty Tigger had feline leukemia, I had a very difficult time getting Winstrol anywhere. I finally found a "compounding pharmacy" in Arizona, called Diamondback Drugs. I believe it is called Wedgewood Pharmacy now. Here is a link to their website - https://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/about-us/arizona-location.html They are located at 7631 East Indian School Road, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 and their phone is 800-331-8272. They list their hours as Monday through Friday 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. and Saturday 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. I found them extremely helpful and they had Winstrol in different forms and flavors. I chose the liquid in salmon flavor because it was easier to give Tigg liquid than pills. They also shipped overnight and even called later to see how my cat was doing! Amani can give you the details of the regimen she used to treat her Zander with great success. Best of luck to you and Amy!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo WI 54758 -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Maribel I went back at looked at the old emails I have archived, and found that one of the online vet pharmacies recommended by people was Diamondback Pharmacy in Arizona. People were able to get Winstrol in liquid form from them. In looking Diamondback up on the internet, I see another one, Wedgewood Pharmacy, which has testimonials from different placed in the U.S. It may be related to Diamondback. I also see VetRx, an online compounding pharmacy. I just don’t understand why your vet isn’t helping you with this? Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying > from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the > transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the > drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Dear Maribel, for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the actual dying process, in any final stages of dying, you are doing more harm than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of respiratory distress) and pain (moaning). When a body is dying, it naturally stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice experience.Please try to talk to your vets, or research ‘stages of dying’ in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, brighthaven.org is an excellent resource for this information and guidance that I have referenced — they also have amazingly compassionate consultations if you need guidance of what to look for...)... Wishing you and Amy love and comfort... Jennifer > On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net" > wrote: > > have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging. i was syringe > feeding my 12 year old Homey. had to cover my lap . i mixed the canned food > with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe. then broke my right arm > and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep > her alive. she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg. also after > started giving treats as reward for taking pill. loves the treats but not > her food. have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go. going to > try your method of balling up the food. may be neater and get more down her. > > - Original Message - > From: Maribel Piloto > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to > syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started > breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now > and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but > after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was > only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. > > They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is > neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite > and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I > fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in > South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around > here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it > seems. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > > On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree > that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and > you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. > > One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft > wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open > their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets > spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have > found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a > bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually > after a few sittings though. > > I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food > into a cat who won't eat on her own. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order > it. > > Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving > her some subq fluids. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > > may be able to order it sooner. > > > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging. i was syringe feeding my 12 year old Homey. had to cover my lap . i mixed the canned food with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe. then broke my right arm and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her alive. she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg. also after started giving treats as reward for taking pill. loves the treats but not her food. have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go. going to try your method of balling up the food. may be neater and get more down her. - Original Message - From: Maribel Piloto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though.I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own.Amani-Original Message-From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel PilotoSent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids.Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-Mohandas Ghandi> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:> > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may be able to order it sooner.> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an option.> > Amani> > -Original Message-> From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)> > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly.> > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."> -Mohandas Ghandi> > ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/ma
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying > from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the > transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the > drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Maribel, I don't have a solution, but I'm sure praying for you and Amy. Sandy W > On 08/05/2020 7:24 PM Maribel Piloto wrote: > > > I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order > it. > > Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving > her some subq fluids. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > > may be able to order it sooner. > > > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but > > Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell > > from his behaviour. > > > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to > > you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > > option. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > > Piloto > > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is > > dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 > > after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I > > ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next > > day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it > > quickly. > > > > Maribel > > > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are > > treated." > > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is > dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after > the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered > the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is > dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after > the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered > the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may be able to order it sooner. However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his behaviour. Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an option. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone
WOW - quick action from Diamondback Drugs! Best of luck - don't give up!! Sandy W > On May 16, 2018 at 6:44 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > > > Maribel, I think that is really an issue of comfort for you and for your > cat. I personally prefer to do it all at once, because I prefer not to have > to constantly be grabbing my cat, all day long, and giving her/him more meds. > I therefore prefer to prolong the single session rather than break it into > multiple sessions. I suggest that you might consider holding off on the > iron/B12 supplement for now. Most supplements, vitamins, etc., don’t need to > be given daily anyway. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Maribel Piloto > Sent: May-16-18 6:38 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone > > > > Ok guys - thanks to ALL the help from everyone - I got the Winstrol, Doxy > and Prednisolone (all in liquid from Diamondback Drugs) and I'm ready to > start my Flaqui on this to treat her anemia. One more question - I give > Flagui Liqui-Tinic which is an iron/B-12 supplement 1ml twice a day. Now I > have to incorporate these other three medicines into her regiment. So should > I give all these liquids to her at the same time? Should I wait for an hour > or more in between liquids. It seems like a lot of liquids and different > medicines to give at the same time and I suspect it would REALLY stress her > out (she isn't the easiest of cats to medicate). What do you guys do with > your cats? > > > > Thanks. > > Maribel & Flaqui > > > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are > treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone
Maribel, I think that is really an issue of comfort for you and for your cat. I personally prefer to do it all at once, because I prefer not to have to constantly be grabbing my cat, all day long, and giving her/him more meds. I therefore prefer to prolong the single session rather than break it into multiple sessions. I suggest that you might consider holding off on the iron/B12 supplement for now. Most supplements, vitamins, etc., don’t need to be given daily anyway. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: May-16-18 6:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone Ok guys - thanks to ALL the help from everyone - I got the Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone (all in liquid from Diamondback Drugs) and I'm ready to start my Flaqui on this to treat her anemia. One more question - I give Flagui Liqui-Tinic which is an iron/B-12 supplement 1ml twice a day. Now I have to incorporate these other three medicines into her regiment. So should I give all these liquids to her at the same time? Should I wait for an hour or more in between liquids. It seems like a lot of liquids and different medicines to give at the same time and I suspect it would REALLY stress her out (she isn't the easiest of cats to medicate). What do you guys do with your cats? Thanks. Maribel & Flaqui "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone
Ok guys - thanks to ALL the help from everyone - I got the Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone (all in liquid from Diamondback Drugs) and I'm ready to start my Flaqui on this to treat her anemia. One more question - I give Flagui Liqui-Tinic which is an iron/B-12 supplement 1ml twice a day. Now I have to incorporate these other three medicines into her regiment. So should I give all these liquids to her at the same time? Should I wait for an hour or more in between liquids. It seems like a lot of liquids and different medicines to give at the same time and I suspect it would REALLY stress her out (she isn't the easiest of cats to medicate). What do you guys do with your cats? Thanks.Maribel & Flaqui "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....
That is one step in the right direction and who knows she might just do some research or read your information and change her mind. Margo wrote: > Prenisolone and prednisone are interchangeable. Most Vet's (mine is not one) believe that prednisolone is better utilized by cats, because one step of the metabolization process is eliminated. Prednisone must be processed into prednisolone in the liver beofre cats can use it. "Why are there two versions of this catabolic steroid? First of all, if the thought of steroids and cats causes you to picture your cat gaining muscle mass and getting ripped, those performance-enhancing drugs are anabolic steroids, which build up. Catabolic steroids do the opposite; they break down. A cat’s liver processes prednisone, turning it into prednisolone. Prednisolone, then, is prescribed for cats with weak or compromised livers." (from http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/prednisone-for-cats) And while my Vet doesn't believe it much matters, she has prescribed prednisolone for me to have on hand, so I can do things my way... -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley >Sent: Nov 2, 2017 7:02 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >Hi Bob > >When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so >that is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used >prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that >prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. >This is my understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from >vets that the two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc. > >Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....
Prenisolone and prednisone are interchangeable. Most Vet's (mine is not one) believe that prednisolone is better utilized by cats, because one step of the metabolization process is eliminated. Prednisone must be processed into prednisolone in the liver beofre cats can use it. "Why are there two versions of this catabolic steroid? First of all, if the thought of steroids and cats causes you to picture your cat gaining muscle mass and getting ripped, those performance-enhancing drugs are anabolic steroids, which build up. Catabolic steroids do the opposite; they break down. A cat’s liver processes prednisone, turning it into prednisolone. Prednisolone, then, is prescribed for cats with weak or compromised livers." (from http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/prednisone-for-cats) And while my Vet doesn't believe it much matters, she has prescribed prednisolone for me to have on hand, so I can do things my way... -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley >Sent: Nov 2, 2017 7:02 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >Hi Bob > >When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so >that is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used >prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that >prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. >This is my understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from >vets that the two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc. > >Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....
Hi Bob When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so that is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. This is my understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from vets that the two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: November-02-17 5:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Hi Ken... I well know the experience of lying with a cat dying of Felv until they passed and these posts are reawakening my own sadnesss and frustration at being able to do so little so late with my own two FelV boys. It is SO difficult for me to grasp the level of opposition to Winstrol on the part of some vets... they are surely not worried about law suits and they have a dying cat in front of them that they have NO definitive Tx forwhy NOT try Winstrol... It is beyond absurd... Unless there is some kind of worry at being fingered for prescibing minute doses of an anabolic steroid ( go ahead...take the dose you would give to a cat and see the AMAZING effect is has... You'll feel nothing I can't help but wonder if a lot of vets think if they wipe out the entire population of FeLV cats that they will effectively wipe out the disease( an odd consideration given that there will always BE a "patient Zero"... it has to start somewhere and likely would again... Then again...anemia is only one of the complications of this damnable disease ( though admittedly the most critical... They are driving law abiding citizens into illegal activity trying to find alternative sources of a hard to obtain drug in order to save their cats lives it's f-in insane!!! There is no end to the irrationality one can encounter when people who are ' supposed ' to be schooled in scientific thinking decide that , that which stands before thema winstrol treated cat in recovery from anemia must not have had FeLV or there must be an alternative explanation for the recovery Everything BUT trying Winstrol on other cats with the disease and SEEING if it works ..run you own N of 5 or 6 mini experiment and see if you get a a positive result It's not as though you are using alternative medicine on a cancer patient that MIGHT have survived had they had proven Tx... they have NOTHING to offer us that compares with Winstrol in the clutch ( though to date we have only a very few cats who have survived as a result of taking Winstrol and , to my mind, it has not established itself as the de-facto drug for FeLV instigated anemia...but... it is certainly the most hopeful in a field of paltry competitors. We all want to live with hope, and Winstrol gives us this So Ken, by all means, spread the word, pester,implore,cajole your vet into trying itbut don't be too terribly surprised when you have to figure out how to dismantle the brick wall you are likely to encounter.. Bob BTW Amani.. are you recommending prednisone or prednisolone with the Doxy... many vets insist that prednisone is not useful for cats.. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....
Hi Ken... I well know the experience of lying with a cat dying of Felv until they passed and these posts are reawakening my own sadnesss and frustration at being able to do so little so late with my own two FelV boys. It is SO difficult for me to grasp the level of opposition to Winstrol on the part of some vets... they are surely not worried about law suits and they have a dying cat in front of them that they have NO definitive Tx forwhy NOT try Winstrol... It is beyond absurd... Unless there is some kind of worry at being fingered for prescibing minute doses of an anabolic steroid ( go ahead...take the dose you would give to a cat and see the AMAZING effect is has... You'll feel nothing I can't help but wonder if a lot of vets think if they wipe out the entire population of FeLV cats that they will effectively wipe out the disease( an odd consideration given that there will always BE a "patient Zero"... it has to start somewhere and likely would again... Then again...anemia is only one of the complications of this damnable disease ( though admittedly the most critical... They are driving law abiding citizens into illegal activity trying to find alternative sources of a hard to obtain drug in order to save their cats lives it's f-in insane!!! There is no end to the irrationality one can encounter when people who are ' supposed ' to be schooled in scientific thinking decide that , that which stands before thema winstrol treated cat in recovery from anemia must not have had FeLV or there must be an alternative explanation for the recovery Everything BUT trying Winstrol on other cats with the disease and SEEING if it works ..run you own N of 5 or 6 mini experiment and see if you get a a positive result It's not as though you are using alternative medicine on a cancer patient that MIGHT have survived had they had proven Tx... they have NOTHING to offer us that compares with Winstrol in the clutch ( though to date we have only a very few cats who have survived as a result of taking Winstrol and , to my mind, it has not established itself as the de-facto drug for FeLV instigated anemia...but... it is certainly the most hopeful in a field of paltry competitors. We all want to live with hope, and Winstrol gives us this So Ken, by all means, spread the word, pester,implore,cajole your vet into trying itbut don't be too terribly surprised when you have to figure out how to dismantle the brick wall you are likely to encounter.. Bob BTW Amani.. are you recommending prednisone or prednisolone with the Doxy... many vets insist that prednisone is not useful for cats.. I couldn?t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical evidence is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which gave three cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) and reported the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, there is the unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies looking into the effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between (though I have found a few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very little money from it, and so they will not spend money to set up clinical trials, and will instead push other related drugs that are still covered by a patent, so they make more money on the sale of those other drugs. The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which in turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from the activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very mild side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they "stack" them will all sorts of other steroids). I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they will often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. As I mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke with that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best to put him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results weekly which showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it wa
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol - vet in Southern California
Can I suggest that the request could just be for a kind and reasonable vet in Southern California, who is willing to work with concerned cat people? Since Winstrol is so rarely prescribed, looking for a referral to a vet who prescribes is more difficult. Maybe, to help Realissa, if folks know a good vet in the area, he/she may be open to a discussion about Winstrol. By the way, I was contacted directly by someone on this chatline, who reported to me that she had seen an excellent response to Winstrol in her cat in just five days. She let me know that her cat had shifted away from a "resigned to die" attitude, to being back to her happy self, grooming, and with an improved appetite and pinked-up ears. I was thrilled to hear of her experience and delighted that she had found a vet who was willing to work with her. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti Sent: July-19-16 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol - vet in Southern California Does anyone know a vet willing to prescribe Winstrol in Southern California? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Winstrol - vet in Southern California
Does anyone know a vet willing to prescribe Winstrol in Southern California? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Sorry, fellow list people. I had MEANT to send that privatelyMy apologies,Margo-Original Message- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 21, 2015 1:00 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list I know I sound like a broken record, but go get some Winstrol (Stanazalol) from your vet. 1 mg 2 x a day or a 2 mg tablet daily. I have had miraculous results with it for leukemia, sarcoma, and a host of other conditions I have encountered in the cats I have looked after. It is also a very effective appetite stimulant, makes them feel much better and therefore lifts their spirits and gets them moving about and even playing. It can be given with prednisone or prednisolone, and in fact, works well with it. The only side effect I have seen is a temporary rise in liver enzymes, but these subside quickly once the drug is discontinued and the drug has yet to cause any permanent liver damage (though this is the reason, allegedly, that vets stopped using this drug). Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of simon95 Sent: September-21-15 11:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: "Katherine K." Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything. Sigh. On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewiswrote: All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be... Jennifer L On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote: > Hey all, > > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. > Best wishes. > > James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net > (217) 816-8680 (cell) > http://weather62704.us (Weather for Springfield, IL) > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Winstrol
Hi Amani, Help! My Vet has agreed to "listen" to information about Winstrol. I am getting lost in a the posts I saved, so thougt maybe you could tell me what article or explanation might be most persuasive. Idon;t know what's going on wit Mako, except that he's going downhill, and sliding faster. He was in for BW a few weeks ago, but they couldn't get him safely restrained without sedating him, and didn't want to make it all worse. He may be hyperthyroid, but treating that would probably throw his kidney's into frank failure, and that's not going to help anything. Mako's 15. I know I can't save him. I just want him to have a good life for what remains to us.Any help appreciated. With my OWN animals, all my sense ad knowledge just flies out the window...Thanks, Margop.s., I got a notice of an "update" on the Charleston homeless situation, but there was nothing to read. Is there any news?-Original Message- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 21, 2015 1:00 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list I know I sound like a broken record, but go get some Winstrol (Stanazalol) from your vet. 1 mg 2 x a day or a 2 mg tablet daily. I have had miraculous results with it for leukemia, sarcoma, and a host of other conditions I have encountered in the cats I have looked after. It is also a very effective appetite stimulant, makes them feel much better and therefore lifts their spirits and gets them moving about and even playing. It can be given with prednisone or prednisolone, and in fact, works well with it. The only side effect I have seen is a temporary rise in liver enzymes, but these subside quickly once the drug is discontinued and the drug has yet to cause any permanent liver damage (though this is the reason, allegedly, that vets stopped using this drug). Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of simon95 Sent: September-21-15 11:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: "Katherine K." Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything. Sigh. On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewiswrote: All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be... Jennifer L On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote: > Hey all, > > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. > Best wishes. > > James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net > (217) 816-8680 (cell) > http://weather62704.us (Weather for Springfield, IL) > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I sheepishly add this to the list after writing my last "tome"...BUT... Wondering if anyone on the list ( Besides Amani) has had success with Winstrol?? Looking at the other "advances" in FeLV Tx I am not impressed at the response rates ( or ,more specifically, the cost/benefit ratio)... Spending a couple of thousand on a tx that promises less than a 25% chance of addressing the issue is not my idea of a sensible expenditure for a retired guy who is already living on fumes and can't return to work ( if I want to be able to provide the care my guys are likely to need in the future).. I'm so used to having my own ( owned) place and wish I had gotten a two bedroom now because I would like to have someone living with me who I could trust to look out for my guys when I can't be there Have to give serious thought to renting again... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Hi Marsha, I'm so sorry about everything going on with you. That "counselor" was, in my opinion, very harsh. Who wants common sense if it doesn't make your heart break when you lose a pet or are sad about one that is ill. He needs compassion -- you don't need more sense. Something that really helped me when Tigger passed away is the poem someone posted called "Lend Me A Kitten"... I go back and re-read it all the time. It is so true!! If you don't have a copy of it, let me know and I will send it to you. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it, to tell him how I felt. I did write a review in HealthGrades on him. The one other person gave him 5 stars. I keep a journal for each of my cats (I use Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or interactions with other cats. And when I am caring for a cat that is ill, the journaling is daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to be feeling, physical activity, etc. Noelle has her final appointment late this afternoon, near the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried time, not squeezed between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now. I named my Noelle because I got her in December. She was eating food at the colony I cared for. A little friendlier than normal feral, but I don't think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the vet noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn cat, since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms. No one claimed her. She is probably related to several of my other cats, including FeLV+ Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time. Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice. She was the first of the colony that I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby over white. Marsha On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote: > Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd > continue with this "counselor". Would you be comfortable with keeping > a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have > a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling. > For me, I found writing helped with my losses. Please give it a try. > Sandy W > > -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM > To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you > said you have assisted with transfusions. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo >> wrote: >> >> >> Marsha, I'm so sorry. >> >> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for >> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig >> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans. >> >> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are >> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told >> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. >> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :( >> >> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this >> ...man...hold? >> >> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any >> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much >> better place... >> >> Back after rounds >> >> Margo >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: Marsha >>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on >>> my plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he >>> informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and >>> animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks >>> common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, >>> etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" >>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement >>> come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling >>> more hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I >>> don't need that kind of help. I
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
RE: bloodwoek, I agree. I just bought a new roof and that leaves me pretty well strapped. Thank God all my babies are in good health right now. I recently had a mouse outbreaqk in the kitchen and they are keeping busy chasing them all night. I broke my left arm March 8 and have been alternating between depresion because I cannot do anything and worse of all, the doctor will not let me drive. I am not used to dpending on people to take me shopping, to doctors. It did help with Amazon Prime. They ship for free so getting heavy items like litter and food through them. At least my roof /skylight is not leaking any more and I don't need 6 buckets lined up in the hallway. Harley liked to play with the water in the buckets and splashed it all over. Got good news today, I can now drive and he gave me a shot in both knees so I cn now bend. Hopefullly God will come through and help with everything else Rachel Dagner wrote: > Ok thank you for sharing that with me, he just came out here on the porch and > started playing with a toy so maybe I am over paranoid. I think I will take > him in regardless. Remember when I took him at first and she had a hard time > hearing his heart and the next time she could hear it fine and thought the > mass had shrunk down? Well maybe if she listens to his heart it will help me > decide if I want more prednisone and talk to her about Winstrol. I just wish > blood work wasn't $150 each time. And weekly? Ouch. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 18, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the > > surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old > > cat with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of > > weight on her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our > > home since she was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with > > radiation therapy, was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing > > with this giant tumour and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. > > She was one where we saw a very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the > > Winstrol - I discontinued for a few weeks until the enzymes dropped back > > down to not so bad levels - but there was never any sign of actual liver > > problems like jaundice or cancer, etc. The vet who was looking supervising > > her care is a good friend of ours who (a) knew not to argue with me and (b) > > knew of the great results I had had with Zander. He is the head of oncology > > at the leading vet univer si > ty > > programme in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed > > and the best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as > > long as possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the > > Winstrol. The tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on > > her, and he said that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation > > therapy, he would have declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour > > didn't disappear of course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit > > of anti-inflammatory effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the > > prednisone. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > Rachel Dagner > > Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > > > I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > >> > >> Lorrie > >> > >> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was > >> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the > >> vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered > >> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. > >> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which > >> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding > >> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry > >> Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the > >> tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one > >> reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. > >> However, obviously it is easie
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
You keep on going because you have a heart, love and compassion. I have said several times, no more and then someone shows up on the deck looking bedraggles, thin and those eyes and off I go again. I cannot say no to them. I would take in children also if I had the money and the law would allow an old woman to take them in. Rachel Dagner wrote: > Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming > to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about > everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and > how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep > going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person > who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone > to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out > eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep > searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is > helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe > > tomorrow will be better. > > > > All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, > > and ease the way. > > > > My thoughts are with you. > > > > Margo > > > > > > -Original Message- > >> From: Rachel Dagner > >> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >> > >> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > >>> > >>> Lorrie > >>> > >>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy > >>> was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and > >>> the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered > >>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. > >>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which > >>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding > >>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they > >>> carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you > >>> get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's > >>> one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. > >>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so > >>> again, this is an option. > >>> > >>> Let us know when you find it. > >>> > >>> Amani > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > >>> Lorrie > >>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM > >>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >>> > >>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you > >>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune > >>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Felvtalk mailing list > >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Felvtalk mailing list > >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Hi Lorrie, I found Winstrol (Stanozolol) at a compounding pharmacy called Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. They offered it in other forms besides liquid, I can't remember all of them so they might have it in pill form. I bought it in liquid because that was easier for me to give to Tigger and he liked the salmon flavor. I would let him smell the syringe before I gave it and he did not try to avoid it. The company's website is http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/ and their phone number is 866-578-4420. I found them to be very good to work with, very efficient and also caring. The company seems large, but they take time to talk with you individually also. The vet had to fill out the prescription online, or fax it to them. Then they would call me to verify the address, and for me to give them payment by credit card. I paid $42 for a 25 day supply. Hope this helps. If they do not have pill form, you might be able to find other sources by googling "compounding pharmacy veterinarian". Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 4:08 PM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Lorrie The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option. Let us know when you find it. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I was told by an investigator for the Missouri humane society that nine time out of 10 when they report someone for animal abuse, they also report for spouse, child or elder abuse. It starts with defenseless animals and goes on to defenseless people. Amani Oakley wrote: > I am quite ferocious when dealing with the defendants in my cases. No > question about it - I am not popular on the other side of the table, but my > clients are my biggest fans. However, I am reduced to a little puddle in > other situations - especially dealing with defenceless animals. > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: May-18-16 8:15 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are > watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me > and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the > strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Rachel > > > > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where > > they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought > > one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness > > sake?? > > > > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who > > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her > > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who > > save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the > > people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is > > no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly > > wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably > > deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and > > devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my > > babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me > > than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness. > > > > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This > > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > Rachel Dagner > > Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM > > To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > > > Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming > > to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about > > everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and > > how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep > > going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person > > who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with > > someone to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with > > puffed out eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I > > will keep searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on > > here is helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of > > you. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe > >> tomorrow will be better. > >> > >> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, > >> and ease the way. > >> > >> My thoughts are with you. > >> > >> Margo > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >>> From: Rachel Dagner > >>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >>> > >>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Lorrie > >>>> > >>>> The difficulty isn't
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
He lacked compasion and common sense. One doe not criticise when someone is looking for support, and compassion. Maybe later on when the pain has subsided some, but not at this time. Amani Oakley wrote: > What a complete and utter idiot. > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Marsha > Sent: May-18-16 8:55 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my > plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that > I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said he loves > animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too > much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any > more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" > All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come > across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless > after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need that kind of > help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any > way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus I was very depressed > and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before > Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer). I would like > to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in > the throes of depression. > > Marsha > > > On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Rachel > > > > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where > > they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought > > one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness > > sake?? > > > > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who > > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her > > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who > > save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the > > people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is > > no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly > > wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably > > deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and > > devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my > > babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me > > than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness. > > > > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This > > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. > > > > Amani > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
Just quickly... From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook Fifth Edition Stanozolol (Winstrol) Cats; 1-2 mg PO bid (twice a day); or 25 mg deep IM, may repeat weekly. Treatment should continue for several weeks, depending on response and condition of the animal. Doxycycline varies from 5mg/kg to 5-10mg'kg to 50mg per cat, but all are every twelve hours. I always used 25mg per cat unless advised otherwise. Margo -Original Message- >From: ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: May 19, 2016 10:16 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages > >After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood >results >and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half later >he is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab >)when he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye >as well) Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+ >cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX >Others on the group have suggested uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent >with this)... that said... I have never been sure of the dosages being >used with winstrol and Doxy Those of you who are using this >protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ? This >would make the most sense to me... >I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes?? How about the >Doxy?? Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm >in asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him >well"... Great idea if he would eat... This was NOT a big problem >until yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. >As this is the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the >mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??) >Thanks for any input... > >Bob >Warwick NY > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 07:16 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Re: Cat Sanctuary (Ardy Robertson) >>2. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson) >>3. Re: Winstrol (Margo) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500 >> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary >> Message-ID: <003901d1b17d$700af650$5020e2f0$@centurytel.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :) >> >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of kat >> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary >> >> >> Ardy, >> >> >> The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said >> "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some >> time." But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been >> to be so successful. >> >> >> Kat (Mew Jersey) >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM >> From: "Ardy Robertson" > >> To: 'Amy' >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat >> Sanctuary >> >> Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most >> cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean >> they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to? >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ardy >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of Amy >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM >> To: felineres...@frontier.com ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: >> Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary >> >> >> Lorrie, >> >> >> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a >&g
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
Hi Robert The Winstrol isn’t really weight based. For cats, I would suggest starting at a higher dose of 2 mg/day and see what response you are getting in a week or two. I would leave them at 2 mg a day until you are satisfied with their progress and you feel they have turned a corner. If you are satisfied with the progress, you can try dropping the dose to 1 mg a day but monitor to see if you lose ground. If you do, get back to 2 mg a day. I can't off-hand remember the Doxycycline dose. I will have to check that for you, but for that one, the vet probably knows. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-19-16 10:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half later he is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well) Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+ cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said... I have never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy Those of you who are using this protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ? This would make the most sense to me... I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes?? How about the Doxy?? Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him well"... Great idea if he would eat... This was NOT a big problem until yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input... Bob Warwick NY On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 07:16 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Cat Sanctuary (Ardy Robertson) >2. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson) >3. Re: Winstrol (Margo) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500 > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > Message-ID: <003901d1b17d$700af650$5020e2f0$@centurytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :) > > > Ardy > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of kat > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > > > Ardy, > > > The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said > "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some > time." But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been > to be so successful. > > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM > From: "Ardy Robertson" > > To: 'Amy' >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat > Sanctuary > > Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most > cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean > they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to? > > > Thank you, > > Ardy > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Amy > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM > To: felineres...@frontier.com ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: > Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > > > Lorrie, > > > That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a > no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to > find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the > groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. >
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
So overwhelmingly heartbreaking, I am crying with you. I keep a journal of Tucker's days too. I will be thinking of you both all day and sending prayers for strength and peace for your heart. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it, to tell him how I felt. I did write a review in HealthGrades on him. The one other person gave him 5 stars. I keep a journal for each of my cats (I use Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or interactions with other cats. And when I am caring for a cat that is ill, the journaling is daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to be feeling, physical activity, etc. Noelle has her final appointment late this afternoon, near the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried time, not squeezed between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now. I named my Noelle because I got her in December. She was eating food at the colony I cared for. A little friendlier than normal feral, but I don't think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the vet noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn cat, since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms. No one claimed her. She is probably related to several of my other cats, including FeLV+ Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time. Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice. She was the first of the colony that I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby over white. Marsha On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote: > Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd > continue with this "counselor". Would you be comfortable with keeping > a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have > a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling. > For me, I found writing helped with my losses. Please give it a try. > Sandy W > > -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM > To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you > said you have assisted with transfusions. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo >> wrote: >> >> >> Marsha, I'm so sorry. >> >> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for >> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig >> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans. >> >> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are >> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told >> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. >> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :( >> >> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this >> ...man...hold? >> >> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any >> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much >> better place... >> >> Back after rounds >> >> Margo >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: Marsha >>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on >>> my plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he >>> informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and >>> animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks >>> common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, >>> etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" >>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement >>> come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling >>> more hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I >>> don't need that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common >>> sense is not a diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would >>> you treat it? >>> Plus >>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this >>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to >>> care for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked >>> common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of >>> depression. >>> >>> Marsha >>> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
When a beloved pet companion passed, I went to the Pet Bereavement group in my local humane society. It helped. One thing I do remember, was the group facilitator saying that the ability to bond with a pet is a gift. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have that gift. Sometimes, I wish I didn't. But most times I'm glad I do. Christine On May 19, 2016 11:56 AM, "Marsha" wrote: > Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it, > to tell him how I felt. I did write a review in HealthGrades on him. The > one other person gave him 5 stars. I keep a journal for each of my cats (I > use Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or interactions > with other cats. And when I am caring for a cat that is ill, the > journaling is daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to be > feeling, physical activity, etc. Noelle has her final appointment late > this afternoon, near the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried > time, not squeezed between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now. > > I named my Noelle because I got her in December. She was eating food at > the colony I cared for. A little friendlier than normal feral, but I don't > think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the vet > noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn cat, > since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms. No one claimed > her. She is probably related to several of my other cats, including FeLV+ > Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time. Noelle tested > negative for FeLV twice. She was the first of the colony that I took in. > She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby over white. > > Marsha > > On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote: > >> Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd continue >> with this "counselor". Would you be comfortable with keeping a daily >> journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have a cat named >> Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling. >> For me, I found writing helped with my losses. Please give it a try. >> Sandy W >> >> -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner >> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM >> To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >> >> Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said >> you have assisted with transfusions. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo wrote: >>> >>> >>> Marsha, I'm so sorry. >>> >>> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. >>> He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, >>> somewhere far from actual humans. >>> >>> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are >>> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to >>> pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised >>> he didn't sing it :( >>> >>> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this >>> ...man...hold? >>> >>> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many >>> "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better >>> place... >>> >>> Back after rounds >>> >>> Margo >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >>>> From: Marsha >>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>>> >>>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my >>>> plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me >>>> that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said >>>> he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - >>>> some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I >>>> wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" >>>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement >>>> come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more >>>> hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need >>>> that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a >>>> diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus >>>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this >>>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care >>>> for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common >>>> sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression. >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it, to tell him how I felt. I did write a review in HealthGrades on him. The one other person gave him 5 stars. I keep a journal for each of my cats (I use Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or interactions with other cats. And when I am caring for a cat that is ill, the journaling is daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to be feeling, physical activity, etc. Noelle has her final appointment late this afternoon, near the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried time, not squeezed between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now. I named my Noelle because I got her in December. She was eating food at the colony I cared for. A little friendlier than normal feral, but I don't think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the vet noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn cat, since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms. No one claimed her. She is probably related to several of my other cats, including FeLV+ Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time. Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice. She was the first of the colony that I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby over white. Marsha On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote: Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd continue with this "counselor". Would you be comfortable with keeping a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling. For me, I found writing helped with my losses. Please give it a try. Sandy W -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said you have assisted with transfusions. Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo wrote: Marsha, I'm so sorry. What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far from actual humans. Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing it :( Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this ...man...hold? I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better place... Back after rounds Margo -Original Message----- From: Marsha Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd continue with this "counselor". Would you be comfortable with keeping a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling. For me, I found writing helped with my losses. Please give it a try. Sandy W -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said you have assisted with transfusions. Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo wrote: Marsha, I'm so sorry. What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far from actual humans. Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing it :( Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this ...man...hold? I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better place... Back after rounds Margo -Original Message- From: Marsha Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression. Marsha On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Rachel I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake?? My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness. We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
Bob, Has Tobramycin been tried for the eyes?? Sandy W -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the meds you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go without eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use this each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could do this with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half later he is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well) Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+ cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said... I have never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy Those of you who are using this protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ? This would make the most sense to me... I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes?? How about the Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him well"... Great idea if he would eat... This was NOT a big problem until yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input... Bob Warwick NY On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 07:16 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cat Sanctuary (Ardy Robertson) 2. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson) 3. Re: Winstrol (Margo) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500 From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Message-ID: <003901d1b17d$700af650$5020e2f0$@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :) Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Ardy, The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time." But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so successful. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM From: "Ardy Robertson" > To: 'Amy' >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to? Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM To: felineres...@frontier.com ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Lorrie, That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests,
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the meds you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go without eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use this each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could do this with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half later he is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well) Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+ cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said... I have never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy Those of you who are using this protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ? This would make the most sense to me... I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes?? How about the Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him well"... Great idea if he would eat... This was NOT a big problem until yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input... Bob Warwick NY On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 07:16 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Cat Sanctuary (Ardy Robertson) >2. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson) >3. Re: Winstrol (Margo) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500 > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > Message-ID: <003901d1b17d$700af650$5020e2f0$@centurytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :) > > > Ardy > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of kat > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > > > Ardy, > > > The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said > "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some > time." But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been > to be so successful. > > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM > From: "Ardy Robertson" > > To: 'Amy' >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat > Sanctuary > > Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most > cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean > they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to? > > > Thank you, > > Ardy > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Amy > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM > To: felineres...@frontier.com ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: > Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary > > > Lorrie, > > > That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a > no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to > find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the > groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. > We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk > positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with > non-contagious cats. We don
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
e. I don't think they let us send photos to the group, but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you just see a two story brick building not the inside. - It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done. - My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement. Downstairs are 5 rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen, full bathroom and a half bath. The cats have access to every room and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten. They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos. There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look outside. The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and upstairs rooms. The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them. Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- next part ------ An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:22:22 -0500 From: "Ardy Robertson" To: , Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Message-ID: <003e01d1b17d$a8fce770$faf6b650$@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Lorrie - I believe that is why I was keeping Tigger on an antibiotic - in case he started getting something due to his immune system. I just wish I would have used doxycycline rather than convenia. Amani can clarify a bit perhaps. Ardy -----Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 07:16:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Margo To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Message-ID: <11090166.1463656587447.javamail@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Marsha, I'm so sorry. What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far from actual humans. Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing it :( Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this ...man...hold? I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better place... Back after rounds Margo -Original Message- From: Marsha Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in the th
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said you have assisted with transfusions. Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo wrote: > > > Marsha, I'm so sorry. > > What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He > does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far > from actual humans. > > Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling > with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself > up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing > it :( > > Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this > ...man...hold? > > I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many > "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better > place... > > Back after rounds > > Margo > > > > -Original Message- >> From: Marsha >> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >> >> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my >> plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me >> that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said >> he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - >> some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I >> wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" >> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement >> come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more >> hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need >> that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a >> diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus >> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this >> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care >> for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common >> sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression. >> >> Marsha >> >> >>> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> Rachel >>> >>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where >>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought >>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness >>> sake?? >>> >>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who >>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her >>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who >>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the >>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is >>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly >>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably >>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and >>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my >>> babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me >>> than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness. >>> >>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This >>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. >>> >>> Amani >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Marsha, I'm so sorry. What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far from actual humans. Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing it :( Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this ...man...hold? I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better place... Back after rounds Margo -Original Message- >From: Marsha >Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my >plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me >that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said >he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - >some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I >wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" >All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement >come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more >hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need >that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a >diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus >I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this >counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care >for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common >sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression. > >Marsha > > >On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> Rachel >> >> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where >> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought >> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness >> sake?? >> >> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who >> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her >> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who >> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the >> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is >> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly >> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably >> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and >> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, >> there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a >> poor being who never saw any love or kindness. >> >> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This >> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. >> >> Amani > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Hi Lorrie - I believe that is why I was keeping Tigger on an antibiotic - in case he started getting something due to his immune system. I just wish I would have used doxycycline rather than convenia. Amani can clarify a bit perhaps. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Oh Marsha, you don't need that counselor anyways. We all understand why you spent money on your animals. We have all done it. No counselor is going to give us the love and emotional peace that an animal does. I would agree that we all need to step back and take and take a look at what is financially possible in each of our life situations with regards to helping our animals. It doesn't matter if we are rich or poor we just all do the best we can, I for one will support you no matter what. Just like with Bob we have to help him do the best he can with his circumstances. It doesn't matter if he fails or succeeds with his babies. What matters is that he tried and did the best he could for them when no one else would and that they got to experience love and caring when they might never have had that opportunity. I am heartbroken knowing you are having such a hard time, I am right there with you, just trying to take one day at a time and make it through. We will both survive this Marsha, it's so very hard, but we are both going to get through it just doing the best we can. Please talk to us whenever you need to, I promise to be here for you. Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Marsha wrote: > > I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my > plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that > I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said he loves > animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too > much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any > more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" All my brain processed was > the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental. > I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left. Two things I was > seeking help for. I don't need that kind of help. I am pretty sure that > lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how > would you treat it? Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last > time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have > Noelle to care for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked > common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression. > > Marsha > > >> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> Rachel >> >> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where >> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought >> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness >> sake?? >> >> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who >> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her >> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who >> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the >> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is >> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly >> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably >> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and >> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, >> there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a >> poor being who never saw any love or kindness. >> >> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This >> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. >> >> Amani > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What a complete and utter idiot. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Sent: May-18-16 8:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression. Marsha On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > Rachel > > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they > put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one > could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake?? > > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save > them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people > who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no > avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful > wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little > sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this > earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all > more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw > any love or kindness. > > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. > > Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!" All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't need that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it? Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression. Marsha On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Rachel I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake?? My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness. We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree. Someone has to care for them. Would do the same for people, but they won't let an old woman tke in children. Amani Oakley wrote: > Rachel > > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they > put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one > could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake?? > > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save > them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people > who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no > avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful > wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little > sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this > earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all > more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw > any love or kindness. > > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM > To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming > to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about > everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and > how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep > going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person > who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone > to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out > eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep > searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is > helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe > > tomorrow will be better. > > > > All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, > > and ease the way. > > > > My thoughts are with you. > > > > Margo > > > > > > -Original Message- > >> From: Rachel Dagner > >> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >> > >> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > >>> > >>> Lorrie > >>> > >>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy > >>> was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and > >>> the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered > >>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. > >>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which > >>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding > >>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they > >>> carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you > >>> get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's > >>> one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. > >>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so > >>> again, this is an option. > >>> > >>> Let us know when you find it. > >>> > >>> Amani > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > >>> Lorrie > >>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM > >>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >>> > >>
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I am quite ferocious when dealing with the defendants in my cases. No question about it - I am not popular on the other side of the table, but my clients are my biggest fans. However, I am reduced to a little puddle in other situations - especially dealing with defenceless animals. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-18-16 8:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Rachel > > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they > put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one > could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake?? > > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save > them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people > who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no > avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful > wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little > sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this > earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all > more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw > any love or kindness. > > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM > To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming > to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about > everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and > how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep > going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person > who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone > to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out > eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep > searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is > helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo wrote: >> >> >> >> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe >> tomorrow will be better. >> >> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, >> and ease the way. >> >> My thoughts are with you. >> >> Margo >> >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: Rachel Dagner >>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >>>> >>>> Lorrie >>>> >>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was >>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the >>>> vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered >>>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. >>>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which >>>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding >>>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry >>>> Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the >>>> tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one >>>&g
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So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Rachel > > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they > put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one > could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake?? > > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save > them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people > who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no > avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful > wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little > sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this > earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all > more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw > any love or kindness. > > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM > To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming > to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about > everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and > how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep > going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person > who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone > to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out > eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep > searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is > helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo wrote: >> >> >> >> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe >> tomorrow will be better. >> >> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, >> and ease the way. >> >> My thoughts are with you. >> >> Margo >> >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: Rachel Dagner >>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >>>> >>>> Lorrie >>>> >>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was >>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the >>>> vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered >>>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. >>>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which >>>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding >>>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry >>>> Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the >>>> tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one >>>> reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. >>>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so >>>> again, this is an option. >>>> >>>> Let us know when you find it. >>>> >>>> Amani >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Lorrie
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Rachel I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake?? My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness. We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This gives me a sense of great purpose and hope. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you. Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe > tomorrow will be better. > > All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, > and ease the way. > > My thoughts are with you. > > Margo > > > -Original Message- >> From: Rachel Dagner >> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >> >> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> Lorrie >>> >>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was >>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet >>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly >>> to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I >>> used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy >>> for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary >>> pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol >>> (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. >>> They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go >>> for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously >>> it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option. >>> >>> Let us know when you find it. >>> >>> Amani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >>> Lorrie >>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM >>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you >>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune >>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvta
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Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you. Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe > tomorrow will be better. > > All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, > and ease the way. > > My thoughts are with you. > > Margo > > > -Original Message- >> From: Rachel Dagner >> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >> >> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> Lorrie >>> >>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was >>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet >>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly >>> to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I >>> used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy >>> for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary >>> pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol >>> (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. >>> They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go >>> for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously >>> it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option. >>> >>> Let us know when you find it. >>> >>> Amani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >>> Lorrie >>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM >>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you >>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune >>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ok thank you for sharing that with me, he just came out here on the porch and started playing with a toy so maybe I am over paranoid. I think I will take him in regardless. Remember when I took him at first and she had a hard time hearing his heart and the next time she could hear it fine and thought the mass had shrunk down? Well maybe if she listens to his heart it will help me decide if I want more prednisone and talk to her about Winstrol. I just wish blood work wasn't $150 each time. And weekly? Ouch. Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the > surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old cat > with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of weight on > her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our home since > she was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with radiation > therapy, was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing with this > giant tumour and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. She was one > where we saw a very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the Winstrol - I > discontinued for a few weeks until the enzymes dropped back down to not so > bad levels - but there was never any sign of actual liver problems like > jaundice or cancer, etc. The vet who was looking supervising her care is a > good friend of ours who (a) knew not to argue with me and (b) knew of the > great results I had had with Zander. He is the head of oncology at the > leading vet university > programme in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed > and the best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as > long as possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the > Winstrol. The tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on > her, and he said that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation > therapy, he would have declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour > didn't disappear of course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit of > anti-inflammatory effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the prednisone. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> Lorrie >> >> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was >> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet >> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to >> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used >> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me >> to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in >> your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). >> You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to >> cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - >> you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give >> a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option. >> >> Let us know when you find it. >> >> Amani >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Lorrie >> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM >> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >> >> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. >> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I >> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe tomorrow will be better. All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, and ease the way. My thoughts are with you. Margo -Original Message- >From: Rachel Dagner >Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> Lorrie >> >> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was >> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet >> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to >> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used >> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me >> to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in >> your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). >> You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to >> cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - >> you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give >> a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option. >> >> Let us know when you find it. >> >> Amani >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Lorrie >> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM >> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >> >> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. >> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I >> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old cat with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of weight on her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our home since she was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with radiation therapy, was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing with this giant tumour and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. She was one where we saw a very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the Winstrol - I discontinued for a few weeks until the enzymes dropped back down to not so bad levels - but there was never any sign of actual liver problems like jaundice or cancer, etc. The vet who was looking supervising her care is a good friend of ours who (a) knew not to argue with me and (b) knew of the great results I had had with Zander. He is the head of oncology at the leading vet university program me in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed and the best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as long as possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the Winstrol. The tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on her, and he said that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation therapy, he would have declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour didn't disappear of course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit of anti-inflammatory effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the prednisone. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Lorrie > > The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was > able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet > could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to > Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used > and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to > give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your > area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You > want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut > (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you > can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a > single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option. > > Let us know when you find it. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lorrie > Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM > To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. > I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I > intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today. Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Lorrie > > The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was > able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet > could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to > Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used > and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to > give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your > area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You > want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut > (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you > can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a > single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option. > > Let us know when you find it. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lorrie > Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM > To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. > I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I > intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Lorrie The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option. Let us know when you find it. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Winstrol
Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lorrie I should add that when I got the original tablets, I got them from a vet for a cat who was diagnosed by the vet as having FIP. When I asked the vet what could be done, he basically told me nothing could be done for the cat. He prescribed the Winstrol and told me that it would help with appetite and keeping the cat's strength up. I had never heard of Winstrol and had no idea what it was. That was probably in the mid to late 90's. The poor cat didn't make it more than a few more days and I had just filled the prescription but didn't have time to give him any of it. The vial full of pills sat in my drawer where I keep all the animal medications (and no, I never throw any away - if faced with a very sick cat found on the side of the road on a Saturday evening of a long weekend, my perspective has always been something is better than nothing - too many bad experiences where I had to wait to take in a sick animal). So, all I knew about Winstrol was that it was something that might help with appetite and overall wellbeing. When we had tried everything to reverse the persistent non-regenerative anemia and other FeLV effects for my darling little Zander, and blood transfusions were no longer a possibility because he had had a transfusion reaction, I literally opened up my drawer and went through everything I had and the only thing was this Winstrol and I figured, "what the hell!" - my baby was dying and nothing was working. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I started seeing some pinkening in his ivory white gums and inner ears, in a few days. I figured I was desperate and hallucinating, but my husband thought he saw it too. And the weekly blood results I was running, showed a small increase in his haematocrit from 10 to 12 and still we were obviously skeptical. I mean, how likely is it that something rolling around in my drawer for a decade could do what none of the vets said was possible - to turn back on his bone marrow to get red cells produced again? Only after my weekly blood work and Zander recovering fully from a state that every vet said was the end of the road - the virus having infiltrated his bone marrow and the bone marrow now being filled with infected cells that cannot produce red cells or other blood cells - did I allow myself to believe that this might well be a treatment option. Winstrol seems to be able to allow the body to begin producing good cells again. As far as I can see, having looked at this from many many different angles as I tried to understand it scientifically and medically, there is no other explanation that fits other than that the Winstrol can possibly turn back on the bone marrow and allow the bone marrow to start producing normal haematopoetic cells again, which are the progenitor cells that make red cells, white cells and platelets. I feel substantiated in my conclusion, by the fact that Winstrol is used in humans to treat difficult to treat anemias. In the entry on WikiHow, it also states that it is "commonly used by veterinarians on debilitated animals (especially dogs and horses) to improve muscle growth, trigger red cell production, increase bone density and enhance appetite". I don't agree that it is "commonly used", but clearly the vet who originally gave it to me was providing it precisely because my cat was "debilitated" and for no other reason. Obviously, its propensity to increase red cell production, increase bone density, bulk up a debilitated animal and increase appetite, are all characteristics we desperately need in our fight against FeLV, and I would guess that it is quite compatible with other forms of treatment if someone were to add to other things they were trying. Because of its ability to make a sick cat feel better, increase appetite, bulk up a thin, fragile cat, etc., this is the reason I have used in so many other situations other than just FeLV, and as I have posted many times, I have gotten very good results in most situations. Generally speaking, it helps heal damaged tissue (like a spinal lesion in one cat, and a torn knee ligament in Zander) and that's obviously one of the reasons that athletes use it too. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: May-18-16 3:05 PM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol No it doesn't Lorrie. It is a different kind of steroid, not a corticosteroid. It is an anabolic steroid which literally means building up - it causes an increase in chemical reactions that synthesize molecules into the complex structures of tissue - ie - it builds up muscle, tissue, etc. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: May-18-16 1:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
No it doesn't Lorrie. It is a different kind of steroid, not a corticosteroid. It is an anabolic steroid which literally means building up - it causes an increase in chemical reactions that synthesize molecules into the complex structures of tissue - ie - it builds up muscle, tissue, etc. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: May-18-16 1:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Bob, After having just gone through this with my Tigger, I wholeheartedly agree with the treatment options Amani is outlining. And better to get started very very soon! Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 7:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Hi Bob As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help. Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative. At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV virus. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment wi th Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain..Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his eye. also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts welcome... Bob Warwick NY On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia
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Hello everyone, I would like to add that if I faced this again, I would also add some pro-biotics due to being on antibiotics (doxycycline)..I found an inexpensive capsule and I just opened it and put the powder in his wet food. There is no medication name on the prescription bottle though. Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Hi Robert, I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having problems so soon. You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need. I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the best option. My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the next time. As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending hours on line, researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other health benefits as well. I even read a research document that showed it helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it. I am using one from Thorn e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome results for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, which is not good enough so the search continues. As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well. Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. Rachel Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it > Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? > > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my firs
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
-Original Message- >From: Jane Gannon >Sent: May 17, 2016 12:42 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye. It is very >serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment >with steroids. Research it on line, you can find pictures. The eyeball >can even become swollen and bulge. It can have a brownish spot on it. >Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had >this and it will clear up with treatment but it can come back. They were >put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an >ointment containing cortisone. It is serious. Follow instructions for how >often to do the ointment. > >Jane >- Original Message - >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > >> Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in >> the corner of my eye when it itches. My cats eat it all the time so it >> shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. would oothe it. >> Amani Oakley wrote: >>> Hi Bob >>> >>> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can >>> only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with >>> rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is >>> mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of >>> disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into >>> your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution >>> multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and >>> address some infections. You can alternate this with the >>> antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. >>> >>> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low >>> and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help >>> reduce any inflammation and that may help. >>> >>> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of >>> sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the >>> Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are >>> not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count >>> to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is >>> regenerative or non-regenerative. >>> >>> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with >>> viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of >>> the FeLV virus. >>> >>> Amani >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >>> ROBERT CHAPEL >>> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> >>> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the >>> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are >>> any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you >>> administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback >>> from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it >>> is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and >>> athletes?? >>> >>> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties >>> ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus >>> infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) >>> from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their >>> living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT >>> more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I >>> brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing >>> mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness >>> in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet >>> ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go >>> broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are >>> uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet >>> offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to >>> FeLV+ c
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It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye. It is very serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment with steroids. Research it on line, you can find pictures. The eyeball can even become swollen and bulge. It can have a brownish spot on it. Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had this and it will clear up with treatment but it can come back. They were put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an ointment containing cortisone. It is serious. Follow instructions for how often to do the ointment. Jane - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in the corner of my eye when it itches. My cats eat it all the time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. would oothe it. Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Bob As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help. Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative. At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV virus. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets G
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RE: UTI I took Harley to vet, but also started adding Bragg's raw vinegar to both of the water fountains. He also had sturvite crystals. Crystals and uti have never come back. Rachel Dagner wrote: > Hi Robert, > > I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having > problems so soon. > > You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need. > > I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes > of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also > the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on > here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the > best option. > > My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I > can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the > next time. > > As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending hours on line, > researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad > things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So > I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is > worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something > to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in > health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products > I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is > give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other > health benefits as well. I even read a research document that showed it > helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always > been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better > than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it. I am using one > from Tho rn > e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which > protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started > looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome > results for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, > which is not good enough so the search continues. > > As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I > am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH > Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having > problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well. > > Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and > neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. > > Rachel > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > > > > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the > > threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are > > any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you > > administering it > > Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with > > regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more > > popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? > > > > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( > > other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) > > I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter > > where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in > > isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated > > as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until > > recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic > > URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and > > what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to > > pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as > > I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance > > companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just > > said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple > > Antibiotic Ocular Ointmen t > with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I > think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him > elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go > on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are > privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very > discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been > reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures > to ke
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Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in the corner of my eye when it itches. My cats eat it all the time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. would oothe it. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Bob > > As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only > suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's > eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but > it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect > contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes > with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often > helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this > with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. > > If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and > there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce > any inflammation and that may help. > > Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of > sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the > Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not > all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be > done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or > non-regenerative. > > At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral > reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV > virus. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the > threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any > of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you > administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from > vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of > the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? > > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( > other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) > I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter > where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in > isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as > one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until > recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic > URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what > appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay > for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I > might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance > companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just > said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic > Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). > Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have > to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx > suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and > only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little > as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with > FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to > employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY > discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than > they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would > have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell > if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to > get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red > and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not > severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his > eye. also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times > during the day... Any thoughts welcome... > > Bob > Warwick NY > > On Mon, May 16, 2016
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Hi Bob As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help. Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative. At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV virus. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his eye. also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts welcome... Bob Warwick NY On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fel
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Hi Robert, I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having problems so soon. You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need. I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the best option. My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the next time. As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending hours on line, researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other health benefits as well. I even read a research document that showed it helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it. I am using one from Thorn e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome results for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, which is not good enough so the search continues. As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well. Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. Rachel Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the > threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any > of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you > administering it > Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard > to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular > anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? > > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( > other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) > I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter > where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in > isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as > one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until > recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic > URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what > appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay > for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I > might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance > companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just > said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic > Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain..Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC'
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Hi Robert Yes - I have been posting for some time regarding the Winstrol/Doxy combination, and I have already stated that it is my belief that the reason that the vets (and human doctors) are so negative about Winstrol is that it is associated with doping scandals in sports. It's beyond stupid, in my view. All kinds of medication can be abused, but at the rate that athletes use Winstrol, they would have to take 100 or 1000 2 mg tablets EVERY DAY, because they use it at 1000 times doses recommended for human use. And by the way, they are pretty much fine, even at those doses. If you do the research, you will find what I have found - there are no credible scientific findings linking use of Winstrol in athletes - even at those levels - with heart disease, liver disease, or even "roid rage", for goodness sakes. This is one of the reasons athletes stopped listening to the medical/scientific community about the dangers of performance-enhancing steroids. The athletes are taking them at levels at astronomically high levels and they should be quite dead if they were that dangerous. They continue to take them because they DO enhance strength, muscle, endurance, etc. There are some side effects like light facial hair growth, etc., but nothing like the scare-mongering you hear from the medical and scientific communities. And so, our cats are being denied these effective anabolic steroids like Winstrol because Canadian Ben Johnson was stripped of his Olympic Gold Medal in the 1988 Summer Olympics for testing positive for it! When my mom was deteriorating badly from cancer, again my research showed that Winstrol can build muscle mass, increase appetite, increase red cell production (she was very anemic), and the palliative doctor said, "That's the Ben Johnson steroid." He then went on to say that as a palliative doctor, his job was to neither hasten death nor to slow it down, and giving my mom Winstrol would slow it down. You'd think that would be a good thing, but apparently not. Scientists won't research it for the same reason. It is just the most bizarre situation, when the alternative is death. I can tell you that my experience with Winstrol is what really opened my eyes to the fact that we are naïve to believe that when we get sick (or our cats do), that the doctors/vets know all the credible available options and will let you know of them so you can make an informed choice. With my cat, I stumbled onto the use of Winstrol after trying interferon, LTCI, blood transfusions - all of which cost me more than $10,000. Winstrol costs very very little and was much more effective than all the other treatments I had attempted. My cat was dying, I was out of options and yet no one told me about Winstrol. When I tried the Winstrol (which I had in my cupboard for years for another cat) and got the great response that I did, I thought I had "discovered" a new use for it. I then told the internal medicine specialist who had basically told me that there were no more options for Zander, he told me that I had gone "old school", and they used to use Winstrol years before but stopped when it was believed that it caused liver damage. No one had looked again at it after the Ben Johnson scandal. I have used it for cats with FIP, with a spinal lesion, with nasal sarcoma (in a 16 year old cat), ligament injury in the knee which required surgery (but didn’t after use of the Winstrol) and now I am using it on a cat with puffy pads (pillow pads) which I just discovered was due to a proliferation of plasma cells, probably related to either a FeLV or a FIP infection. The only circumstance I have used it where it didn’t help me at all was in a cat with renal failure and after her death, I figured out that she had probably contracted feline morbillivirus from the vet clinic, which caused tubulointerstitial nephritis. (I knew it was something infectious because two of my cats came down with a serious illness after I had taken both in at the same time to the vets. One pulled through. One rallied for a while and I thought we had beaten whatever it was, but she got sick again and we discovered her creatinine was sky high and she died despite everything we tried.) Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have an
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his eye. also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts welcome... Bob Warwick NY On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: Cat Sanctuary (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500 From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol Message-ID: <20160516115523.U40WC.1807.root@pamxwww03-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 GOOD VET! Rachel Dagner wrote: When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal life there was just no telling. She never even said the word euthanize. Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, wrote: I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door and never returned if he only had one solution. Find another vet. Ardy Robertson wrote: Hello, If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said ?no?! If there was a web
Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
Hi Margo, That's just what I call this email forum on FeLV...the one we are on. :) Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 6:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol What is the FeLV chatline? -Original Message- >From: Ardy Robertson >Sent: Apr 27, 2016 11:28 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol > >Thanks!! I hope so too. I wrote a longer note to the FeLV chatline, but >I guess it is too long. I didn't know there was a limit in size. The >moderator is checking it out. If it doesn't go through, I will send a >few shorter notes detailing Tigg's progress while on the Winstrol and >Prednisolone...like I said in that note, without the Winstrol, we >would have lost him in March. > >Thank you, >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >Of dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:38 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol > >may be full time job, but they are worth it! glad Tigger is responding >well. hope he continues improving. > > Amani Oakley wrote: >> Hi Jane >> >> I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can >> indicate >that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I >don't want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy >to speak about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a >full-time job looking after one of our sick babies!). >> >> Amani >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of >Jane Gannon >> Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol >> >> Hi Ardy, >> >> I have not been receiving emails since March. How has the winstrol >> been >working for your cat? >> >> Jane >> >> >[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/2016/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-or >ange- >v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=lin >k&utm _campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >> >> Virus-free. >www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_sour >ce=li nk&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >> >> > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What is the FeLV chatline? -Original Message- >From: Ardy Robertson >Sent: Apr 27, 2016 11:28 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol > >Thanks!! I hope so too. I wrote a longer note to the FeLV chatline, but I >guess it is too long. I didn't know there was a limit in size. The moderator >is checking it out. If it doesn't go through, I will send a few shorter >notes detailing Tigg's progress while on the Winstrol and >Prednisolone...like I said in that note, without the Winstrol, we would >have lost him in March. > >Thank you, >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:38 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol > >may be full time job, but they are worth it! glad Tigger is responding >well. hope he continues improving. > > Amani Oakley wrote: >> Hi Jane >> >> I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate >that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't >want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak >about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job >looking after one of our sick babies!). >> >> Amani >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >Jane Gannon >> Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol >> >> Hi Ardy, >> >> I have not been receiving emails since March. How has the winstrol been >working for your cat? >> >> Jane >> >> >[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/2016/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange- >v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm >_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >> >> Virus-free. >www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=li >nk&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >> >> > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks!! I hope so too. I wrote a longer note to the FeLV chatline, but I guess it is too long. I didn't know there was a limit in size. The moderator is checking it out. If it doesn't go through, I will send a few shorter notes detailing Tigg's progress while on the Winstrol and Prednisolone...like I said in that note, without the Winstrol, we would have lost him in March. Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol may be full time job, but they are worth it! glad Tigger is responding well. hope he continues improving. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Jane > > I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job looking after one of our sick babies!). > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon > Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol > > Hi Ardy, > > I have not been receiving emails since March. How has the winstrol been working for your cat? > > Jane > > [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/2016/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange- v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm _campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=li nk&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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may be full time job, but they are worth it! glad Tigger is responding well. hope he continues improving. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Jane > > I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate > that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't > want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak > about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job > looking after one of our sick babies!). > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane > Gannon > Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol > > Hi Ardy, > > I have not been receiving emails since March. How has the winstrol been > working for your cat? > > Jane > > [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/2016/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Jane I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job looking after one of our sick babies!). Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol Hi Ardy, I have not been receiving emails since March. How has the winstrol been working for your cat? Jane [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/2016/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I HAVENT GOTTEN ANYTHING SINCE 1ST OF MARCH EITHER. Jane Gannon wrote: > Hi Ardy, > > I have not been receiving emails since March. How has the winstrol been > working for your cat? > > Jane > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] winstrol
Hi Ardy, I have not been receiving emails since March. How has the winstrol been working for your cat? Jane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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RE: stealing Winstrol. Isn't it jut like people to spoil things for those who really need a drug. So far, I have only lost one positive and I think that was ecause she had so many things to overcome. She was a feral, had her tail bitten off by a racoon and was positive. I think that was just too much for her to handle. I have one left and she is now 8 gong on 9, healthy and her only problemis that she wants me to go to bed at 8:00. Her previous owner had liver cancer and was bed ridden so Annie thinks I should also be in bed all the time. Sandy wrote: > I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins > with an "s" > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jane Gannon" > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol > > I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. > Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information > Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was > used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because > people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not > even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would > try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my > questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart > condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed > other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. > > I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who > has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has > anyone else had any of these problems. > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think it would be a good idea to get some online or where ever, just in case. I think someone said earlier that it has a long shelf life. It helps arthritis and helps repair joint damage - I know I am going to get some for myself. Iam waiting for someone in the US to start doing work with stem cells for joint damage, at least a dr, in my area. It would be much better than knee replacement. Amani, do you know how much I would need to take for my knees? And not abuse it. -- Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Jane > > So much for the theory that they discontinued the use of Winstrol because it > was ineffective. It is used in horses to make them stronger and faster if > they are racing horses, but a study done in sheep also found that Winstrol > also repairs knee cartilage and other damage to injured joints. (This is > something I can also attest to, as I used it with Zander, when at the age of > 6, he pulled a ligament in his knee that was expected to require surgery.) > > The break-ins were probably a symptom of the fact that Winstrol availability > dropped dramatically after 1988 when the Ben Johnson scandal hit. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane > Gannon > Sent: December-21-15 10:50 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol > > I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. > Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information > Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was > used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because > people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not > even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would > try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my > questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart > condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed > other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. > > I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who > has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has > anyone else had any of these problems. > > [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/logo-avast-v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
Thanks - Original Message - From: "Amani Oakley" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 12:31:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol Stanozolol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: December-21-15 11:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins with an "s" - Original Message - From: "Jane Gannon" < strayc...@roadrunner.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has anyone else had any of these problems. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
Hi Jane So much for the theory that they discontinued the use of Winstrol because it was ineffective. It is used in horses to make them stronger and faster if they are racing horses, but a study done in sheep also found that Winstrol also repairs knee cartilage and other damage to injured joints. (This is something I can also attest to, as I used it with Zander, when at the age of 6, he pulled a ligament in his knee that was expected to require surgery.) The break-ins were probably a symptom of the fact that Winstrol availability dropped dramatically after 1988 when the Ben Johnson scandal hit. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: December-21-15 10:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has anyone else had any of these problems. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/logo-avast-v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have a felv cat who was experiencing seizures twice per month. They were fairly violent lasting about one minute. Afterwards, she was so exhausted, she just wanted her food and water and a safe place to rest. I got her on phenobarbital 15mg (half a pill twice per day) and she hasn't had a seizure in almost 2 years. I keep her environment clean and provide her a good quality dry and wet food and lots of fresh water. Hope this helps. Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. Original message From: Amani Oakley Date: 2015-12-21 12:31 PM (GMT-05:00) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol Stanozolol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: December-21-15 11:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins with an "s" From: "Jane Gannon" mailto:strayc...@roadrunner.com>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has anyone else had any of these problems. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/logo-avast-v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Stanozolol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: December-21-15 11:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins with an "s" From: "Jane Gannon" mailto:strayc...@roadrunner.com>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has anyone else had any of these problems. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/logo-avast-v1.png]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins with an "s" - Original Message - From: "Jane Gannon" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has anyone else had any of these problems. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] winstrol
I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has anyone else had any of these problems. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
OFF TOPIC: IS THERE A WAY TO INCLUDE A STOCK PHOTO OF A CAT SO WE COULD PIN THESE ONTO PINTEREST? OR DOE THAT GET TOO COMPLICATED? Amani Oakley wrote: > This seems to be a key concern of vets, but if you do more checking on line, > you find that there are no reports of actual liver damage (in animals or in > people for that matter). The enzymes temporarily rise, then fall when > discontinued, with no lasting liver effects. One vet told me that the > combination of Winstrol and prednisolone may be beneficial because the > prednisolone may buffer any liver impact of the Winstrol. In my experience, > when I have used the Winstrol, in two cats I saw the liver enzymes rise (one > very dramatically) but both had their levels return to normal after only a > few day off the Winstrol. > > Unfortunately, this dramatic rise is the reason I have been given by vets as > to why they all stopped using Winstrol several decades ago. There was a > report of potential liver DAMAGE, but in the end, that hasn’t been borne out > by any research or confirmed in the literature. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > gidge...@aol.com > Sent: December-01-15 2:39 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > I read here that while on Winstrol, a cat's liver values can elevate. Could > it cause liver disease? > Also has anyone used Denamarin to support the liver? Or is it not good for > FeLV kitties? > > http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/cat/cat-liver-health/denamarin-for-cats > > or even milk thistle? > > Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
This seems to be a key concern of vets, but if you do more checking on line, you find that there are no reports of actual liver damage (in animals or in people for that matter). The enzymes temporarily rise, then fall when discontinued, with no lasting liver effects. One vet told me that the combination of Winstrol and prednisolone may be beneficial because the prednisolone may buffer any liver impact of the Winstrol. In my experience, when I have used the Winstrol, in two cats I saw the liver enzymes rise (one very dramatically) but both had their levels return to normal after only a few day off the Winstrol. Unfortunately, this dramatic rise is the reason I have been given by vets as to why they all stopped using Winstrol several decades ago. There was a report of potential liver DAMAGE, but in the end, that hasn’t been borne out by any research or confirmed in the literature. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com Sent: December-01-15 2:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I read here that while on Winstrol, a cat's liver values can elevate. Could it cause liver disease? Also has anyone used Denamarin to support the liver? Or is it not good for FeLV kitties? http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/cat/cat-liver-health/denamarin-for-cats or even milk thistle? Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Winstrol
I read here that while on Winstrol, a cat's liver values can elevate. Could it cause liver disease? Also has anyone used Denamarin to support the liver? Or is it not good for FeLV kitties? http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/cat/cat-liver-health/denamarin-for-cats or even milk thistle? Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Margo It is not illegal. It needs a prescription, like most medications. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: November-25-15 7:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol -Original Message- >From: Ardy Robertson >Sent: Nov 24, 2015 10:04 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > I'm very sure there are ways to get it, many "athletes" seem to do so. Just keep in mind it's illegal, and I'm pretty sure that your Vet would not be wiling to monitor a cat on a drug that s/he didn't prescribe. Losing the support of a Vet (or lacking it altogether) is probably not a good way to go. Margo >Thanks - I was just thinking this online pharmaceutical company may >sell it... I could not remember the name stanazolol. That way a >person could just bypass the vet, however that is very sad that one may have >to do that. >Ardy > > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >Of Amani Oakley >Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:27 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other >name is stanazolol. > >Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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-Original Message- >From: Ardy Robertson >Sent: Nov 24, 2015 10:04 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > I'm very sure there are ways to get it, many "athletes" seem to do so. Just keep in mind it's illegal, and I'm pretty sure that your Vet would not be wiling to monitor a cat on a drug that s/he didn't prescribe. Losing the support of a Vet (or lacking it altogether) is probably not a good way to go. Margo >Thanks - I was just thinking this online pharmaceutical company may sell >it... I could not remember the name stanazolol. That way a person could >just bypass the vet, however that is very sad that one may have to do that. >Ardy > > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >Amani Oakley >Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:27 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other name is >stanazolol. > >Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks - I was just thinking this online pharmaceutical company may sell it... I could not remember the name stanazolol. That way a person could just bypass the vet, however that is very sad that one may have to do that. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other name is stanazolol. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: November-24-15 12:32 AM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I found what I consider to be some very good liquid vitamins online at Lambert Pharmaceuticals online...maybe they have Winstrol also. I think Amani said it has another name also - you may need that to search. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted like it was a bad drug to use. On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote: > >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset, >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients. > > >Amani > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
ditto ! Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Nov 2015, at 18:04, > wrote: > > AMEN! > > Margo wrote: >> >> >> Personally, I find humans far more difficult to deal with... >> >> Besides, MY pets ARE my Family :) >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: dlg...@windstream.net >>> Sent: Nov 23, 2015 1:24 AM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> From reading the posts these last few weeks it made me think, What if >>> everyone cared for their families like we care for our pets, wouldn't that >>> be wonderful? >>> >>> Jane Gannon wrote: >>>> I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet. I >>>> would like them to have a physical and a hematicrit done. My reasearch >>>> on >>>> winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart >>>> problems. Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur. I would like my vet to >>>> research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision. I also have >>>> three 4 year old positives too. We have been trying to figure out when we >>>> may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been >>>> 2013. Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this. If your >>>> cat >>>> lived for 7 years that is amazing. >>>> >>>> -- Original Message - >>>> From: "Margo" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does >>>>> not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go >>>>> "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just >>>>> this reason. Some would support one thing, some another... >>>>> >>>>> Margo >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: dlg...@windstream.net >>>>>> Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM >>>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might >>>>>> change his tune, but some people never learn. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lorrie wrote: >>>>>>> You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and >>>>>>> acted like it was a bad drug to use. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the >>>>>>>> outset, >>>>>>>> I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the >>>>>>>> Winstrol >>>>>>>> sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I >>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>> assume that she is prescribing it for other clients. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Amani >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
AMEN! Margo wrote: > > > Personally, I find humans far more difficult to deal with... > > Besides, MY pets ARE my Family :) > > -Original Message- > >From: dlg...@windstream.net > >Sent: Nov 23, 2015 1:24 AM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > > >From reading the posts these last few weeks it made me think, What if > >everyone cared for their families like we care for our pets, wouldn't that > >be wonderful? > > > > Jane Gannon wrote: > >> I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet. I > >> would like them to have a physical and a hematicrit done. My reasearch > >> on > >> winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart > >> problems. Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur. I would like my vet to > >> research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision. I also have > >> three 4 year old positives too. We have been trying to figure out when we > >> may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been > >> 2013. Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this. If your > >> cat > >> lived for 7 years that is amazing. > >> > >> -- Original Message - > >> From: "Margo" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature > >> > does > >> > not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go > >> > "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just > >> > this reason. Some would support one thing, some another... > >> > > >> > Margo > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> >>From: dlg...@windstream.net > >> >>Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM > >> >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com > >> >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >> >> > >> >>Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might > >> >>change his tune, but some people never learn. > >> >> > >> >> Lorrie wrote: > >> >>> You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and > >> >>> acted like it was a bad drug to use. > >> >>> > >> >>> On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me > >> >>> > using > >> >>> >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the > >> >>> > outset, > >> >>> >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was > >> >>> > always > >> >>> > a > >> >>> >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the > >> >>> > Winstrol > >> >>> >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I > >> >>> > must > >> >>> >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Amani > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> ___ > >> >>> Felvtalk mailing list > >> >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>___ > >> >>Felvtalk mailing list > >> >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Felvtalk mailing list > >> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other name is stanazolol. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: November-24-15 12:32 AM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I found what I consider to be some very good liquid vitamins online at Lambert Pharmaceuticals online...maybe they have Winstrol also. I think Amani said it has another name also - you may need that to search. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted like it was a bad drug to use. On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote: > >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset, >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients. > > >Amani > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I found what I consider to be some very good liquid vitamins online at Lambert Pharmaceuticals online...maybe they have Winstrol also. I think Amani said it has another name also - you may need that to search. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted like it was a bad drug to use. On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote: > >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset, >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients. > > >Amani > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I understand and it sounds like you have a good relationship with your vet, which is great. I would still be interested in the information regarding the Winstrol concern with heart disease. I have used it for some pretty elderly and frail cats (one was 16 with nasal sarcoma, who lived to be 19) so if there is a concern with using it in circumstances with heart issues, I would be interested to know about that. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: November-23-15 1:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I did not mean that I found research or case studies on the drug, I meant that I searched the web for info about the drug for animals. I found that it should be used with caution in animals with heart disease and that it can cause severe liver disease in cats, which we already knew. My vet researches on a site where he can not only learn about the drug but if any other vets have tried it for felv+ cats. He did this for a drug I wanted to try on my stomatitis cats and although some vets (dentists) did not believe in the drug, we went ahead and used it and it did help my 2 cats. He is very open to working with me as I too have a house of misfit cats. All drugs have side effects and not all people or animals react the same way. But it is necessary to know what they are. - Original Message - From: "Amani Oakley" To: Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > Hi Jane > > I would be interested in knowing which research you have found. I have not > located the research you reference. The only references to any link > between Winstrol and heart issues which I have located, is not supported > by any actual research nor even any case studies. I found suggestions > linking Winstrol and heart issues in humans, but again, when examined > closer, commentators have noted that again, there is no scientific support > for the suggestion. The suggestion is made in connection with athletes who > die suddenly from cardiac issues, but when looked at with any degree of > care, several obvious things emerge: the athlete is on a cocktail of > dozens of medication and the athlete is taking the medications at hundreds > or thousands of times greater doses than recommended. It has taken me > months and months of research to dig deep enough to get to this stage. > What I seem to find, repeatedly, is that it is very easy to find a list of > suggested concerns about Winstrol, but there is no s > cientific support that I am able to find, that supports these listed > concerns - and in fact, the opposite. Despite the fact that athletes > regularly abuse Winstrol by injecting it or orally taking it at many, many > times therapeutic dosage levels, there are almost no reports of adverse > events with the Winstrol. As one article put it, it is the reason that > professional athletes entirely ignore scientific warnings about Winstrol > and the other performance-enhancing steroids. The article indicated that > athletes saw scientists proven wrong twice: first, scientists said that > the drugs were not effective, whereas the athletes knew otherwise, and > virtually all spheres of professional athletics have a good proportion, if > not the majority of athletes using these steroids to become faster, > stronger, more resilient and to heal faster; second, scientists warned of > the danger of these steroids, when athletes were aware of the unbelievably > high doses they were using, with little or no advers > e effects. > > How you want to proceed is up to you, but I suggest that if you actually > want to try the Winstrol, asking your vet to do research will get you > absolutely nowhere. I would expect the vet to encounter the reported > concerns that seem to be repeated verbatim from site to site, with no > references. I doubt most vets would go further, given what appears to be a > high reluctance to use Winstrol - a reluctance which vets have told me > stems from a report years back that Winstrol could cause liver damage. > > I'll leave it at that. > > Amani > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Jane Gannon > Sent: November-22-15 12:19 PM > To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet. I > would like them to have a physical and a hematicrit done. My reasearch > on winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart > problems. Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur. I would like my vet to > research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision. I al
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I did not mean that I found research or case studies on the drug, I meant that I searched the web for info about the drug for animals. I found that it should be used with caution in animals with heart disease and that it can cause severe liver disease in cats, which we already knew. My vet researches on a site where he can not only learn about the drug but if any other vets have tried it for felv+ cats. He did this for a drug I wanted to try on my stomatitis cats and although some vets (dentists) did not believe in the drug, we went ahead and used it and it did help my 2 cats. He is very open to working with me as I too have a house of misfit cats. All drugs have side effects and not all people or animals react the same way. But it is necessary to know what they are. - Original Message - From: "Amani Oakley" To: Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Hi Jane I would be interested in knowing which research you have found. I have not located the research you reference. The only references to any link between Winstrol and heart issues which I have located, is not supported by any actual research nor even any case studies. I found suggestions linking Winstrol and heart issues in humans, but again, when examined closer, commentators have noted that again, there is no scientific support for the suggestion. The suggestion is made in connection with athletes who die suddenly from cardiac issues, but when looked at with any degree of care, several obvious things emerge: the athlete is on a cocktail of dozens of medication and the athlete is taking the medications at hundreds or thousands of times greater doses than recommended. It has taken me months and months of research to dig deep enough to get to this stage. What I seem to find, repeatedly, is that it is very easy to find a list of suggested concerns about Winstrol, but there is no s cientific support that I am able to find, that supports these listed concerns - and in fact, the opposite. Despite the fact that athletes regularly abuse Winstrol by injecting it or orally taking it at many, many times therapeutic dosage levels, there are almost no reports of adverse events with the Winstrol. As one article put it, it is the reason that professional athletes entirely ignore scientific warnings about Winstrol and the other performance-enhancing steroids. The article indicated that athletes saw scientists proven wrong twice: first, scientists said that the drugs were not effective, whereas the athletes knew otherwise, and virtually all spheres of professional athletics have a good proportion, if not the majority of athletes using these steroids to become faster, stronger, more resilient and to heal faster; second, scientists warned of the danger of these steroids, when athletes were aware of the unbelievably high doses they were using, with little or no advers e effects. How you want to proceed is up to you, but I suggest that if you actually want to try the Winstrol, asking your vet to do research will get you absolutely nowhere. I would expect the vet to encounter the reported concerns that seem to be repeated verbatim from site to site, with no references. I doubt most vets would go further, given what appears to be a high reluctance to use Winstrol - a reluctance which vets have told me stems from a report years back that Winstrol could cause liver damage. I'll leave it at that. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: November-22-15 12:19 PM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet. I would like them to have a physical and a hematicrit done. My reasearch on winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart problems. Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur. I would like my vet to research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision. I also have three 4 year old positives too. We have been trying to figure out when we may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been 2013. Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this. If your cat lived for 7 years that is amazing. -- Original Message - From: "Margo" To: Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just this reason. Some would support one thing, some another... Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Maybe if he bothe