subject:"\[Felvtalk\] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties"

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-16 Thread Beth

I had a cat like that - Sounded like upper resp because of 
scar tissue. She had been a street cat for many many years & vet 
said it was due to not being treated for URI's. They said they could do 
surgery & clear out the scar tissue, but it might come back, so I 
opted not to do it. She always sounded like she had a URI, but she 
didn't.
 
Beth
 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



 From: czadna sacarawicz 
To: feline leukemia list  
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 

 
Thanks for your comments.  I trust us and our insights and experience.
 
My heart and gratitude are with always at SIDS and today also with Dublin.  My 
Pooshie appeared to be blinded after being neutered.  It took several weeks but 
it wore off.  May it be for Dublin and you.
 
re:  Yahmuna:  FIV + I first wrote you about Jan. 2010. She came to my NC patio 
on Thanksgiving with goopy eyes very, very unwell.  Went into rescue in 
7.2011.  they finally had her on every 3 days oral azithromycin and 
azythromycin nasal drops.  She had chronic respiratory issues there.  air 
quality seemed good.  I took her to vet this past Saturday when I brought her 
home forever.  Vet's thinking was so much scar tissue/inflammation that she 
will always be loud breather.  He said to discontinue treatment and treat her 
when she becomes symptomatic.   I DID NOTICE THAT HER BREATHING SEEMED BETTER 
AT VET's OFFICE.  no carpet. Her breathing is loud;  This morning there was 
a wee bit of clear moisture draining from one eye.  I have humidifier going 
continually/ she comes for showers.  is sequestered in same bedroom where she 
was from 11.2010 - 7.2011.    THANK YOU!!!   cz.   



 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:44:18 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


Chronic upper respiratory or chronic allergies? My FIV cat got bad congestion 
every 6 months when the weather changed & I started the furnace or air 
conditioning. He was vaccinated for FeLV & lived fine mixing with my FeLV cats 
for 10 years. He was vaccinated for FeLV every 6 months when there were FeLV's 
in the house & he never got the FeLV. If it is actually upper respiratory with 
a fever, etc, then you don't vaccinate for anything,

If you are worried about  about fighting & transferring the FIV, you can have 
the FIV cat's canines filed down to prevent deep bite wounds & minimize chance 
of passing the FIV.

 
Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-15 Thread czadna sacarawicz


Thanks for your comments.  I trust us and our insights and experience.
 
My heart and gratitude are with always at SIDS and today also with Dublin.  My 
Pooshie appeared to be blinded after being neutered.  It took several weeks but 
it wore off.  May it be for Dublin and you.
 
re:  Yahmuna:  FIV + I first wrote you about Jan. 2010. She came to my NC patio 
on Thanksgiving with goopy eyes very, very unwell.  Went into rescue in 7.2011. 
 they finally had her on every 3 days oral azithromycin and azythromycin nasal 
drops.  She had chronic respiratory issues there.  air quality seemed good.  I 
took her to vet this past Saturday when I brought her home forever.  Vet's 
thinking was so much scar tissue/inflammation that she will always be loud 
breather.  He said to discontinue treatment and treat her when she becomes 
symptomatic.   I DID NOTICE THAT HER BREATHING SEEMED BETTER AT VET's OFFICE.  
no carpet. Her breathing is loud;  This morning there was a wee bit of clear 
moisture draining from one eye.  I have humidifier going continually/ she comes 
for showers.  is sequestered in same bedroom where she was from 11.2010 - 
7.2011.THANK YOU!!!   cz.   



Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:44:18 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



Chronic upper respiratory or chronic allergies? My FIV cat got bad congestion 
every 6 months when the weather changed & I started the furnace or air 
conditioning. He was vaccinated for FeLV & lived fine mixing with my FeLV cats 
for 10 years. He was vaccinated for FeLV every 6 months when there were FeLV's 
in the house & he never got the FeLV. If it is actually upper respiratory with 
a fever, etc, then you don't vaccinate for anything,

If you are worried about  about fighting & transferring the FIV, you can have 
the FIV cat's canines filed down to prevent deep bite wounds & minimize chance 
of passing the FIV.

 
Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 






From: czadna sacarawicz 
To: feline leukemia list  
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties






Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
 
you've got us!!
 
want to hear your thoughts please.
 
adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper respiratory.  
FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline leukemia?  only 
vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
 
why I would ever think such a thing follows:
 
recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested 
positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.  household 
female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the FIV+ cat has 
never shared space with the household five.  she is presently sequestered.
 
thank you.
 
cz
Thank you.
 
cz


 


> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
> better than 0% protection.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed 
> in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, 
> too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
> 
> ________
> From: john pollack 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
> others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
> They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
> negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ana Gutierrez 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
> 
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> 
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-15 Thread GRAS

I dont worry about any FIV+ cats with healthy ones, as long as they get
along! Never had a problem  have 5 FIV+ right now, and about to introduce
another one. Natalie

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Chronic upper respiratory or chronic allergies? My FIV cat got bad
congestion every 6 months when the weather changed & I started the furnace
or air conditioning. He was vaccinated for FeLV & lived fine mixing with my
FeLV cats for 10 years. He was vaccinated for FeLV every 6 months when there
were FeLV's in the house & he never got the FeLV. If it is actually upper
respiratory with a fever, etc, then you don't vaccinate for anything,

If you are worried about  about fighting & transferring the FIV, you can
have the FIV cat's canines filed down to prevent deep bite wounds & minimize
chance of passing the FIV.

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org
<http://www.furkids.org/> 

  _  

From: czadna sacarawicz 
To: feline leukemia list  
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.

you've got us!!

want to hear your thoughts please.

adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper respiratory.
FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline leukemia?  only
vaccine she has ever received is rabies.

why I would ever think such a thing follows:

recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested
positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.  household
female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the FIV+ cat has
never shared space with the household five.  she is presently sequestered.

thank you.

cz
Thank you.

cz

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a
lot 
> better than 0% protection.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed

> in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives,

> too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
> 
> ____________
> From: john pollack 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my

> others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food!

> They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
> negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ana Gutierrez 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
> 
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> 
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on
a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> 
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have
their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know tha

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-15 Thread Beth

Chronic upper respiratory or chronic allergies? My FIV cat got bad congestion 
every 6 months when the weather changed & I started the furnace or air 
conditioning. He was vaccinated for FeLV & lived fine mixing with my FeLV cats 
for 10 years. He was vaccinated for FeLV every 6 months when there were FeLV's 
in the house & he never got the FeLV. If it is actually upper respiratory with 
a fever, etc, then you don't vaccinate for anything,

If you are worried about  about fighting & transferring the FIV, you can have 
the FIV cat's canines filed down to prevent deep bite wounds & minimize chance 
of passing the FIV.

 
Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



 From: czadna sacarawicz 
To: feline leukemia list  
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 

 
Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
 
you've got us!!
 
want to hear your thoughts please.
 
adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper respiratory.  
FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline leukemia?  only 
vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
 
why I would ever think such a thing follows:
 
recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested 
positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.  household 
female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the FIV+ cat has 
never shared space with the household five.  she is presently sequestered.
 
thank you.
 
cz
Thank you.
 
cz


 

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
> better than 0% protection.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed 
> in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, 
> too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
> 
> ____________
> From: john pollack 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
> others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
> They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
> negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ana Gutierrez 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
> 
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> 
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> 
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
> We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
> a great life for these two little guys.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-14 Thread Lynda Wilson


Agreed!
- Original Message - 
From: "GRAS" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


Do NOT vaccinate cats that are not well - it only depresses immune 
systems, especially when you need to protect them the most!  Natalie


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net

Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

That is a tough one.  Because of her respiritory problem, you might not 
want to stress her immune sstem with the vacinnation.  On the othr hand, 
she should be vacinnated before intro to felv pos cts.  You say the felv 
pos is feisty, both of mine are healthy, sleek girls.  Annie is 8 (4 years 
after diagnses) and Nitnoy is 2 or 3 (we are not sure, think sh was one 
when she came to my house).  Cold you isolate her in 1 room or in a fairly 
large cage until she can be treated for respiritory an she gains a bit of 
strength? Then she could stand up to the felv shot.  Start he on immune 
boosters to build her up.  I am nt as up on this subject, need to hear 
from others.


 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote:

Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives.


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz <
czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
>
> you've got us!!
>
> want to hear your thoughts please.
>
> adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper
> respiratory.  FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for
> feline leukemia?  only vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
>
> why I would ever think such a thing follows:
>
> recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which
> tested positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is 
> feisty.

> household female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.
> the
> FIV+ cat has never shared space with the household five.  she is
> FIV+ presently
> sequestered.
>
> thank you.
>
> cz
> Thank you.
>
> cz
>
>
>
>  > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> > Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But
> > it's a
> lot
> > better than 0% protection.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Beth" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> >
> > Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It
> > is
> passed
> > in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives &
> negatives,
> > too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> >
> > Beth
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: john pollack 
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> > My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years.
> > None of
> my
> > others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls
> > and
> food!
> > They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long
> > as the negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Ana Gutierrez 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my
> > Beltza
> passed
> > away, last year
> > I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me
> > with
> her.
> >
> > I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat
> > shelter in Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> >
> > Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV
> > positive
> (on a
> > triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats
> > are not siblings, they come from different litters from different
> > parts of México City.
> > We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to
> > be completely sure that they are FeLV po

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-14 Thread GRAS

Do NOT vaccinate cats that are not well - it only depresses immune systems, 
especially when you need to protect them the most!  Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

That is a tough one.  Because of her respiritory problem, you might not want to 
stress her immune sstem with the vacinnation.  On the othr hand, she should be 
vacinnated before intro to felv pos cts.  You say the felv pos is feisty, both 
of mine are healthy, sleek girls.  Annie is 8 (4 years after diagnses) and 
Nitnoy is 2 or 3 (we are not sure, think sh was one when she came to my house). 
 Cold you isolate her in 1 room or in a fairly large cage until she can be 
treated for respiritory an she gains a bit of strength? Then she could stand up 
to the felv shot.  Start he on immune boosters to build her up.  I am nt as up 
on this subject, need to hear from others.

 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote: 
> Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz < 
> czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >  Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
> >
> > you've got us!!
> >
> > want to hear your thoughts please.
> >
> > adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper 
> > respiratory.  FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for 
> > feline leukemia?  only vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
> >
> > why I would ever think such a thing follows:
> >
> > recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which 
> > tested positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.
> > household female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  
> > the
> > FIV+ cat has never shared space with the household five.  she is 
> > FIV+ presently
> > sequestered.
> >
> > thank you.
> >
> > cz
> > Thank you.
> >
> > cz
> >
> >
> >
> >  > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But 
> > > it's a
> > lot
> > > better than 0% protection.
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Beth" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > >
> > > Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It 
> > > is
> > passed
> > > in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives &
> > negatives,
> > > too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> > >
> > > Beth
> > >
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: john pollack 
> > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. 
> > > None of
> > my
> > > others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls 
> > > and
> > food!
> > > They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long 
> > > as the negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Ana Gutierrez 
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my 
> > > Beltza
> > passed
> > > away, last year
> > > I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me 
> > > with
> > her.
> > >
> > > I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat 
> > > shelter in Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> > >
> > > Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV 
>

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-14 Thread GRAS

Please also remember that all vaccines are only about 80% effective! Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

 

Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives.



On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz 
 wrote:

Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
 
you've got us!!
 
want to hear your thoughts please.
 
adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper respiratory.  
FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline leukemia?  only 
vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
 
why I would ever think such a thing follows:
 
recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested 
positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.  household 
female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the FIV+ cat has 
never shared space with the household five.  she is presently sequestered.
 
thank you.
 
cz
Thank you.
 
cz


 

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
> better than 0% protection.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed 
> in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, 
> too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
> 
> ____
> From: john pollack 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
> others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
> They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
> negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> 
> 
> 
> ________
> From: Ana Gutierrez 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
> 
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> 
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> 
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
> We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
> a great life for these two little guys.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ana
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-14 Thread dlgegg

almost forgt, it is valentine's day.  Purrs and tuna to all or babies andt us 
to.
 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote: 
> Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz <
> czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >  Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
> >
> > you've got us!!
> >
> > want to hear your thoughts please.
> >
> > adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper
> > respiratory.  FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline
> > leukemia?  only vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
> >
> > why I would ever think such a thing follows:
> >
> > recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested
> > positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.
> > household female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the
> > FIV+ cat has never shared space with the household five.  she is presently
> > sequestered.
> >
> > thank you.
> >
> > cz
> > Thank you.
> >
> > cz
> >
> >
> >
> >  > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a
> > lot
> > > better than 0% protection.
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Beth" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > >
> > > Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is
> > passed
> > > in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives &
> > negatives,
> > > too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> > >
> > > Beth
> > >
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: john pollack 
> > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of
> > my
> > > others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and
> > food!
> > > They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the
> > > negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Ana Gutierrez 
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
> > passed
> > > away, last year
> > > I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with
> > her.
> > >
> > > I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> > > Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> > >
> > > Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive
> > (on a
> > > triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> > > siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> > > City.
> > > We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> > > completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> > >
> > > However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am
> > posting
> > > again...
> > > We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> > > these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> > > share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have
> > their
> > > vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they
> > share
> > > their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> > > We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> > > time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> > > find homes

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-14 Thread dlgegg

That is a tough one.  Because of her respiritory problem, you might not want to 
stress her immune sstem with the vacinnation.  On the othr hand, she should be 
vacinnated before intro to felv pos cts.  You say the felv pos is feisty, both 
of mine are healthy, sleek girls.  Annie is 8 (4 years after diagnses) and 
Nitnoy is 2 or 3 (we are not sure, think sh was one when she came to my house). 
 Cold you isolate her in 1 room or in a fairly large cage until she can be 
treated for respiritory an she gains a bit of strength? Then she could stand up 
to the felv shot.  Start he on immune boosters to build her up.  I am nt as up 
on this subject, need to hear from others.

 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote: 
> Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz <
> czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >  Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
> >
> > you've got us!!
> >
> > want to hear your thoughts please.
> >
> > adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper
> > respiratory.  FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline
> > leukemia?  only vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
> >
> > why I would ever think such a thing follows:
> >
> > recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested
> > positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.
> > household female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the
> > FIV+ cat has never shared space with the household five.  she is presently
> > sequestered.
> >
> > thank you.
> >
> > cz
> > Thank you.
> >
> > cz
> >
> >
> >
> >  > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a
> > lot
> > > better than 0% protection.
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Beth" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > >
> > > Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is
> > passed
> > > in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives &
> > negatives,
> > > too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> > >
> > > Beth
> > >
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: john pollack 
> > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of
> > my
> > > others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and
> > food!
> > > They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the
> > > negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Ana Gutierrez 
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
> > passed
> > > away, last year
> > > I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with
> > her.
> > >
> > > I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> > > Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> > >
> > > Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive
> > (on a
> > > triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> > > siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> > > City.
> > > We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> > > completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> > >
> > > However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am
> > posting
> > > again...
> > > We want to find nice an

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-14 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves

Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives.


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz <
czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
>
> you've got us!!
>
> want to hear your thoughts please.
>
> adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper
> respiratory.  FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline
> leukemia?  only vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
>
> why I would ever think such a thing follows:
>
> recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested
> positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.
> household female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the
> FIV+ cat has never shared space with the household five.  she is presently
> sequestered.
>
> thank you.
>
> cz
> Thank you.
>
> cz
>
>
>
>  > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> > Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a
> lot
> > better than 0% protection.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Beth" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> >
> > Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is
> passed
> > in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives &
> negatives,
> > too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> >
> > Beth
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: john pollack 
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> > My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of
> my
> > others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and
> food!
> > They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the
> > negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Ana Gutierrez 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
> passed
> > away, last year
> > I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with
> her.
> >
> > I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> > Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> >
> > Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive
> (on a
> > triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> > siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> > City.
> > We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> > completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> >
> > However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am
> posting
> > again...
> > We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> > these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> > share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have
> their
> > vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they
> share
> > their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> > We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> > time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> > find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them
> indoors.
> > We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to
> ensure
> > a great life for these two little guys.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Ana
> > ___
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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> >

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2012-02-14 Thread czadna sacarawicz


Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
 
you've got us!!
 
want to hear your thoughts please.
 
adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper respiratory.  
FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline leukemia?  only 
vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
 
why I would ever think such a thing follows:
 
recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested 
positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.  household 
female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the FIV+ cat has 
never shared space with the household five.  she is presently sequestered.
 
thank you.
 
cz
Thank you.
 
cz


 

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
> better than 0% protection.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed 
> in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, 
> too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
> 
> ____
> From: john pollack 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
> others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
> They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
> negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> 
> 
> 
> ________
> From: Ana Gutierrez 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
> 
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> 
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> 
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
> We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
> a great life for these two little guys.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ana
> ___
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg

That is my vets take on it.  He said keep them isolated to be sure they don't 
have any secondary  infections and to get my negatives up to date on FELV 
shots.  Then let them mix.  Course, I do not adopt out my bunch.  After I have 
had them a week I sm sunk, can't give them up.


 Beth  wrote: 
> In the 10+ years I've been mixing I have never had a cat pass the virus. Not 
> even to my FIV+ cat. All my cats mix freely. This was on the advice of my vet.
> 
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Lynda Wilson 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
> better than 0% protection.
> - Original Message - From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in 
> the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, too. 
> Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
> 
> ________________
> From: john pollack 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
> others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
> They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
> negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ana Gutierrez 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
> 
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> 
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> 
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
> We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
> a great life for these two little guys.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-04 Thread Beth

These are my personal cats & FeLV foster cats. I cannot foster any negative 
cats for the shelter as long as I have FeLV cats, even if they stay in separate 
rooms.


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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I would do it, but cannot because cats get adopted; I cannot take even the
slightest chance that one of our cats could infect someone's cat by one of
ours.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

In the 10+ years I've been mixing I have never had a cat pass the virus. Not
even to my FIV+ cat. All my cats mix freely. This was on the advice of my
vet.


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From: Lynda Wilson 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot
better than 0% protection.
- Original Message - From: "Beth" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed
in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives,
too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

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From: john pollack 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food!
They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the
negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!




From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-04 Thread Natalie

I would do it, but cannot because cats get adopted; I cannot take even the
slightest chance that one of our cats could infect someone's cat by one of
ours.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

In the 10+ years I've been mixing I have never had a cat pass the virus. Not
even to my FIV+ cat. All my cats mix freely. This was on the advice of my
vet.

Beth

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From: Lynda Wilson 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot
better than 0% protection.
- Original Message - From: "Beth" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed
in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives,
too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

From: john pollack 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food!
They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the
negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!

From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-04 Thread Beth

In the 10+ years I've been mixing I have never had a cat pass the virus. Not 
even to my FIV+ cat. All my cats mix freely. This was on the advice of my vet.


Beth

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From: Lynda Wilson 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
better than 0% protection.
- Original Message - From: "Beth" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in 
the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, too. 
Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org




From: john pollack 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! They 
even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the negatives 
are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!




From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-04 Thread Lorrie

I never saw the mother. They were born to a feral cat,
but I assume the mother must have been positive.


On 08-03, Natalie wrote:
> Was the mother positive?  Could they have acquired the virus AFTER being
> born to a negative mother?
> 
>> Four years ago I had a litter of rescued kittens and all but one were
>> positive on the Elisa.  Two died at less age 4 months, one died at 6
>> months, one lived to be a year and a half old and then died, but the
>> last one was always, negative.  He is now 4 years old and still
>> negative in spite of being with all his positive litter mates.

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie

Was the mother positive?  Could they have acquired the virus AFTER being
born to a negative mother?

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Four years ago I had a litter of rescued kittens and all but one were
positive on the Elisa.  Two died at less age 4 months, one died at 6
months, one lived to be a year and a half old and then died, but the
last one was always, negative.  He is now 4 years old and still
negative in spite of being with all his positive litter mates.

Lorrie

On 08-03, Lynda Wilson wrote:
> Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)
> 
> I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to

> it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same

> bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, 
> I'm just sharing with the "newbie's".
> 
> It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
> virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are

> that they are working on a cure as well.
> 
> Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)
> 
> L

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Lorrie

Four years ago I had a litter of rescued kittens and all but one were
positive on the Elisa.  Two died at less age 4 months, one died at 6
months, one lived to be a year and a half old and then died, but the
last one was always, negative.  He is now 4 years old and still
negative in spite of being with all his positive litter mates.

Lorrie

On 08-03, Lynda Wilson wrote:
> Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)
> 
> I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
> it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
> bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, 
> I'm just sharing with the "newbie's".
> 
> It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
> virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
> that they are working on a cure as well.
> 
> Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)
> 
> L

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Lynda Wilson

Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
better than 0% protection.
- Original Message - 
From: "Beth" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed 
in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, 
too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

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From: john pollack 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!

From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Lynda Wilson

Yes, that is what the discussion was about. My vet's partner at the hospital 
told me since the kitten that I adopted from the HS had a faint positive on 
the ELISA, she was hoping he was not shedding the virus or not much of it to 
infect my cat, Sugar. This was somewhat of the reason for the discussion. 
But the HS kitten was on death's door at 9 mos old :(



- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:31 AM
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Lynda and I were talking about the other kind of shedding, meaning they are 
contagious.  The virus is being "shed" in their saliva and bloodstream so 
they can spread it to other cats.  Not shedding as in get rid of it.  At 
least I think that's what we were talking about  ;-)   I didn't think about 
shedding as in getting rid of the virus.  Now that you say it though it does 
make more sense to say shed as in get rid of it.  Oops, didn't mean to be so 
confusing.  We were just talking about when one cat can start infecting 
another cat.



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unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:19:15 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, 
I'm


just sharing with the "newbie's".

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies.
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same 
thing

twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, 
etc.
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts 
are
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to 
do


with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before 
it

can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread. 
It


takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either 
they're
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but 
are

able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30%
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be 
shed


at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If 
anyone


finds out let us know.


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profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie

I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by "eating it
up", "absorbing" it, NOT expelling it to infect others.  I bet they don't
knowI will ask my vet next time I see him

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva
while their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is
positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another
cat.  My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect
other cats.  It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA
is negative.  It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're
wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to
infect another cat.  Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect
the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right,
and I would think it would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not
be correct.  Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the
way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once
the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or
mutates into a way that makes it contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I
guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either.

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought
by
> their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
> "shedding" in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
> infectious during that time.
> What a little word can mean.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Shedding a virus means they are contagious.
> 
> Beth  
> 
>  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
> When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
> the body gets rid of the virus.
> Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey


That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva while 
their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is positive but 
the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another cat.  My book 
said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect other cats.  It 
didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  It 
didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're wondering at what 
point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to infect another cat.  
Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect the virus then that 
means the virus is in the saliva at that point right, and I would think it 
would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not be correct.  Maybe the 
virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the way through the body and 
has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once the virus goes into the bone 
marrow and white blood cells it changes or mutates into a way that makes it 
contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I guess if the experts don't know then 
I'll never figure it out either.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought by
> their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
> "shedding" in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
> infectious during that time.
> What a little word can mean.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Shedding a virus means they are contagious.
> 
> Beth  
> 
>  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>  
> 
> 
> ____________
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
> When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
> the body gets rid of the virus.
> Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie

So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought by
their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
"shedding" in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
infectious during that time.
What a little word can mean.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Shedding a virus means they are contagious.

Beth  

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm

just sharing with the "newbie's".

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do

with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It

takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed

at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone

finds out let us know.


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark 
Twain

> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
>
> Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
> would
> be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
> how
> it works with the virus.
>
> I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
> all
> of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
> positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc)

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey










Now I remember - we were calling it "shedding" as in making the cat contagious 
because that's what the book that I quoted called it.  It called it shedding 
the virus into their saliva, etc. 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:31:39 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Lynda and I were talking about the other kind of shedding, meaning they are 
> contagious.  The virus is being "shed" in their saliva and bloodstream so 
> they can spread it to other cats.  Not shedding as in get rid of it.  At 
> least I think that's what we were talking about  ;-)   I didn't think about 
> shedding as in getting rid of the virus.  Now that you say it though it does 
> make more sense to say shed as in get rid of it.  Oops, didn't mean to be so 
> confusing.  We were just talking about when one cat can start infecting 
> another cat.
> 
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:19:15 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > 
> > Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
> > When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
> > the body gets rid of the virus.
> > Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?
> > 




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Beth

Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in 
the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, too. 
Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

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From: john pollack 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! They 
even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the negatives 
are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!




From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Beth

Shedding a virus means they are contagious.

Beth  

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm

just sharing with the "newbie's".

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do

with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It

takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed

at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone

finds out let us know.


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark 
Twain

> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
>
> Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
> would
> be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
> how
> it works with the virus.
>
> I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
> all
> of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
> positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
> reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some 
> contract
> it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not
> B&W. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out 
> anymore,
> please share :)
>
> Thanks for your input/research!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
>
>
>
> I alway

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey


Lynda and I were talking about the other kind of shedding, meaning they are 
contagious.  The virus is being "shed" in their saliva and bloodstream so they 
can spread it to other cats.  Not shedding as in get rid of it.  At least I 
think that's what we were talking about  ;-)   I didn't think about shedding as 
in getting rid of the virus.  Now that you say it though it does make more 
sense to say shed as in get rid of it.  Oops, didn't mean to be so confusing.  
We were just talking about when one cat can start infecting another cat.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:19:15 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
> When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
> the body gets rid of the virus.
> Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)
> 
> I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
> it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
> bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm
> 
> just sharing with the "newbie's".
> 
> It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
> virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
> that they are working on a cure as well.
> 
> Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)
> 
> L
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> 
> An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
> Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
> antigens.
> 
> So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
> test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
> twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
> medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.
> 
> Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
> it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
> saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do
> 
> with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
> can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
> curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
> exception.
> 
> Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
> don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
> eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It
> 
> takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
> exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
> about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
> resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
> able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
> marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
> are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
> test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.
> 
> Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed
> 
> at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone
> 
> finds out let us know.
> 
> 
> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark 
> Twain
> 
> > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie

Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm

just sharing with the "newbie's".

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do

with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It

takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed

at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone

finds out let us know.

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark 
Twain

> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
>
> Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
> would
> be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
> how
> it works with the virus.
>
> I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
> all
> of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
> positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
> reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some 
> contract
> it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not
> B&W. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out 
> anymore,
> please share :)
>
> Thanks for your input/research!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
>
>
>
> I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book
> didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would
> only be shedding the virus and contagious if the IFA was positive.  It
> said that the ELISA test for the virus antigen that's in the

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie

If they are really positive, not false positive, it IS possible to still
shed the virus; once it's gone into the bone marrow, and confirmed by IFA,
cannot be shed - that's my interpretation.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I wonder if the cats/kittens can shed the virus if a positive is on an ELISA

test?  That would be so helpful to know, but I read that scientists could 
not determine when the virus actually sheds :(

- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Those two little babies are so adorable.  I really hope they turn out to
 be negative.  How did you manage to get them to be still to take such
great photos?  When I try to take photos of my fosters for our website
they are too busy playing to sit still for a photo shoot.

I didn't foster the mama kitty or kittens that had FeLV but last I heard
 they waited like a month and a half and did the IFA on the mama kitty
which turned out to be negative.  They did individual snap test on the
four kittens.  Two of the four kittens tested positive on the snap test
and the other two tested negative.  So weird.  They were able to adopt
out the two negative kittens, same home I believe, although they did
tell the adopters about the Mama and the two positive littermates.  The
other two littermates haven't been adopted yet.  I'm not sure about the
Mama cat.  I'll have to e-mail them to find out what's going on right
now.  They really need to re-test the Mama and the two positive kittens
and I don't know if they realize it.  Good thing you sent this e-mail so
 I'd remember to talk with them.

I have this book called "The Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook" which
 is written by several different vets and I'll write exactly what they
say about testing.  It's a little long so just ignore this next part if
you don't want to know.

"Currently there are two tests available to detect FeLV infection.

1.  The IFA test, performed by a reference laboratory, detects virus
antigen in infected white blood cells.  This indicates that the bone
marrow is infected and there is a high probability that the cat is
persistently viremic and is shedding the virus in his saliva, making him
 infective to other cats.  About 97 percent of IFA positive cats remain
viremic for life and never extinguish the virus.

2.  The ELISA test detects virus antigen in whole blood, serum, saliva
and tears.  Blood is the recommended sample for testing.  A rapid
screening leukemia test kit is available for home and veterinary clinic
use.  The ELISA test is more likely to detect weak, early, or transient
infections.

The common practice is to screen for FeLV using the ELISA test.  If
positive, the cat may have a transient viremia from which he will
recover completely, or he may be in the early stages of a progressive
infection.  A positive ELISA test should be confirmed with an IFA test.
 A positive IFA test indicates that the cat is shedding virus and is
capable of infecting others.

The ELISA test should be repeated in 8 to 12 weeks to see if the virus
has been eliminated.  The IFA test should also be repeated at this time
because if the cat was in an early stage of infection, the IFA initially
 may not have been positive but may become so after 12 weeks."

That's the direct quote from the book.  The books also mentions about
latent (dormant) type infections where the cat is able to eliminate the
virus from blood and saliva but the virus still persists in the bone
marrow and in T-cell lymphocytes.  It says "over many months the
majority of latent-infected cats overcome and extinguish the virus, so
the incidence of latent infection after three years is quite low."
During this period of latency though it talks about sometimes stress and
 illness can reactivate the virus.  As far as testing to find out if a
cat has a latent virus it says -

"Cats with latent infection test negative on both the ELISA and the IFA
tests.  This is because the virus is absent in both serum and white
cells.  The only way to diagnose a latent infection is to remove a
sample of the cat's bone marrow containing the dormant virus and grow
the cells in culture."

Well, that's what the book says anyway.  Not that it is an absolute
authority but most of the other reading seems to say the same thing.
What's funny is that you could have a cat that has a latent infection
and you would never know it unless the virus got reactivated and the cat
 became sick.  So you could do 10 different test on the cat and they
would all be negati

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey


It may be that Sugar was resistant to the virus so it never actually took hold 
in his system.  He had adequate exposure but with a good immune system he may 
not have even gotten it.  The vet that I talked to that has done more research 
on FeLV than most other vets said that the belief now is that most adult cats 
with healthy immune systems are resistant to the virus.  That means it doesn't 
even affect them.  And the ones that it does get into their system are able to 
clear it.  Guess you'll never know for sure if Sugar was resistant to the virus 
or if he did get it but was able to extinguish the virus.  Either way, glad 
he's fine now.

I'm hoping for a cure too.  Sucks that cats can get these kind of diseases and 
die young.

I can't kiss all my fur babies because I'll be hacking up a hairball because 
there are so many of them!!!  The consequences of doing rescue work.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:24:50 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)
> 
> I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
> it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
> bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm 
> just sharing with the "newbie's".
> 
> It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
> virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
> that they are working on a cure as well.
> 
> Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)
> 
> L
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> 
> An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
> Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
> antigens.
> 
> So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
> test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
> twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
> medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.
> 
> Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
> it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
> saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do 
> with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
> can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
> curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
> exception.
> 
> Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
> don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
> eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It 
> takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
> exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
> about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
> resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
> able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
> marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
> are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
> test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.
> 
> Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed 
> at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone 
> finds out let us know.
> 
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> Twain
> 
> > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> >
> > Great observations and lots of mystery with this

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Lynda Wilson


Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm 
just sharing with the "newbie's".


It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.


Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.


So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.


Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do 
with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.


Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It 
takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.


Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed 
at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone 
finds out let us know.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain



Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
would
be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
how

it works with the virus.

I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
all

of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some 
contract

it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not
B&W. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out 
anymore,

please share :)

Thanks for your input/research!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book
didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would
only be shedding the virus and contagious if the IFA was positive.  It
said that the ELISA test for the virus antigen that's in the
blood, serum, saliva and tears.  I looked up antigen before to see
exactly what that was,  you know like whether it was the virus itself or
 like an antibody, but I don't remember what it said.  I know it's not
like an antibody.  I'm not in the medical field so I have to look up a
lot of stuff.  So is the virus antigen the same as the virus itself?  I
need to go look that up again to try to understand again exactly what an
 antigen is.  If the virus antigen is in the blood and saliva and the
antigen is the same as the virus then why couldn't they spread the virus
 if the ELISA test is positive but the IFA test negative.  I've just
c

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey


An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies.  
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA test 
for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing twice - 
it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more medical to say 
virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. it 
seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are saying 
that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do with the 
virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it can be 
spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of curious.  
This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it don't 
get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like eating after 
another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It takes a long 
time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous exposure for a 
cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said about 30 % of cats 
exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're resistant or don't 
have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are able to extinguish it 
before it gets into their white blood cells or bone marrow.  5 - 10 % put the 
disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% are the ones that get the 
virus and are not able to fight it off and will test positive on the IFA and 
usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed at 
the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone finds 
out let us know.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It would 
> be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and how 
> it works with the virus.
> 
> I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to all 
> of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true 
> positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to 
> reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some contract 
> it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not 
> B&W. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out anymore, 
> please share :)
> 
> Thanks for your input/research!
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> 
> I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book
> didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would
> only be shedding the virus and contagious if the IFA was positive.  It
> said that the ELISA test for the virus antigen that's in the
> blood, serum, saliva and tears.  I looked up antigen before to see
> exactly what that was,  you know like whether it was the virus itself or
>  like an antibody, but I don't remember what it said.  I know it's not
> like an antibody.  I'm not in the medical field so I have to look up a
> lot of stuff.  So is the virus antigen the same as the virus itself?  I
> need to go look that up again to try to understand again exactly what an
>  antigen is.  If the virus antigen is in the blood and saliva and the
> antigen is the same as the virus then why couldn't they spread the virus
>  if the ELISA test is positive but the IFA test negative.  I've just
> confused myself all over again  ;-)
> 
> Interesting enough, somewhere
>  else it did say that if there was a latent infection, meaning the virus
>  is only in the bone marrow and T-cell lymphocytes (whatever that is), a
>  mama cat could infect her kitten in utero or while nursing.  I'm not
> sure if that means that the virus reactivates during pregnancy or if the
>  kittens can get a dormant virus.  It's all so confusing.
> 
> But, I
> would like to know if the virus can be shed when the ELISA is positive
> b

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Lynda Wilson

Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It would 
be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and how 
it works with the virus.


I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to all 
of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true 
positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to 
reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some contract 
it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not 
B&W. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out anymore, 
please share :)


Thanks for your input/research!
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book
didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would
only be shedding the virus and contagious if the IFA was positive.  It
said that the ELISA test for the virus antigen that's in the
blood, serum, saliva and tears.  I looked up antigen before to see
exactly what that was,  you know like whether it was the virus itself or
like an antibody, but I don't remember what it said.  I know it's not
like an antibody.  I'm not in the medical field so I have to look up a
lot of stuff.  So is the virus antigen the same as the virus itself?  I
need to go look that up again to try to understand again exactly what an
antigen is.  If the virus antigen is in the blood and saliva and the
antigen is the same as the virus then why couldn't they spread the virus
if the ELISA test is positive but the IFA test negative.  I've just
confused myself all over again  ;-)

Interesting enough, somewhere
else it did say that if there was a latent infection, meaning the virus
is only in the bone marrow and T-cell lymphocytes (whatever that is), a
mama cat could infect her kitten in utero or while nursing.  I'm not
sure if that means that the virus reactivates during pregnancy or if the
kittens can get a dormant virus.  It's all so confusing.

But, I
would like to know if the virus can be shed when the ELISA is positive
but the IFA is negative so if anybody has any thoughts let me know.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain



Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 18:00:22 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I wonder if the cats/kittens can shed the virus if a positive is on an 
ELISA

test?  That would be so helpful to know, but I read that scientists could
not determine when the virus actually sheds :(


- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



Those two little babies are so adorable.  I really hope they turn out to
 be negative.  How did you manage to get them to be still to take such
great photos?  When I try to take photos of my fosters for our website
they are too busy playing to sit still for a photo shoot.



I didn't foster the mama kitty or kittens that had FeLV but last I heard
 they waited like a month and a half and did the IFA on the mama kitty
which turned out to be negative.  They did individual snap test on the
four kittens.  Two of the four kittens tested positive on the snap test
and the other two tested negative.  So weird.  They were able to adopt
out the two negative kittens, same home I believe, although they did
tell the adopters about the Mama and the two positive littermates.  The
other two littermates haven't been adopted yet.  I'm not sure about the
Mama cat.  I'll have to e-mail them to find out what's going on right
now.  They really need to re-test the Mama and the two positive kittens
and I don't know if they realize it.  Good thing you sent this e-mail so
 I'd remember to talk with them.



I have this book called "The Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook" which
 is written by several different vets and I'll write exactly what they
say about testing.  It's a little long so just ignore this next part if
you don't want to know.





"Currently there are two tests available to detect FeLV infection.



1.  The IFA test, performed by a reference laboratory, detects virus
antigen in infected white blood cells.  This indicates that the bone
marrow is infected and there is a high probability that the cat is
persistently viremic and is shedding the virus in his saliva, making him

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Maureen Olvey


I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book 
didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would 
only be shedding the virus and contagious if the IFA was positive.  It 
said that the ELISA test for the virus antigen that's in the 
blood, serum, saliva and tears.  I looked up antigen before to see 
exactly what that was,  you know like whether it was the virus itself or
 like an antibody, but I don't remember what it said.  I know it's not 
like an antibody.  I'm not in the medical field so I have to look up a 
lot of stuff.  So is the virus antigen the same as the virus itself?  I 
need to go look that up again to try to understand again exactly what an
 antigen is.  If the virus antigen is in the blood and saliva and the 
antigen is the same as the virus then why couldn't they spread the virus
 if the ELISA test is positive but the IFA test negative.  I've just 
confused myself all over again  ;-)

Interesting enough, somewhere
 else it did say that if there was a latent infection, meaning the virus
 is only in the bone marrow and T-cell lymphocytes (whatever that is), a
 mama cat could infect her kitten in utero or while nursing.  I'm not 
sure if that means that the virus reactivates during pregnancy or if the
 kittens can get a dormant virus.  It's all so confusing.

But, I 
would like to know if the virus can be shed when the ELISA is positive 
but the IFA is negative so if anybody has any thoughts let me know.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 18:00:22 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> I wonder if the cats/kittens can shed the virus if a positive is on an ELISA 
> test?  That would be so helpful to know, but I read that scientists could 
> not determine when the virus actually sheds :(
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> 
> Those two little babies are so adorable.  I really hope they turn out to
>  be negative.  How did you manage to get them to be still to take such
> great photos?  When I try to take photos of my fosters for our website
> they are too busy playing to sit still for a photo shoot.
> 
> 
> 
> I didn't foster the mama kitty or kittens that had FeLV but last I heard
>  they waited like a month and a half and did the IFA on the mama kitty
> which turned out to be negative.  They did individual snap test on the
> four kittens.  Two of the four kittens tested positive on the snap test
> and the other two tested negative.  So weird.  They were able to adopt
> out the two negative kittens, same home I believe, although they did
> tell the adopters about the Mama and the two positive littermates.  The
> other two littermates haven't been adopted yet.  I'm not sure about the
> Mama cat.  I'll have to e-mail them to find out what's going on right
> now.  They really need to re-test the Mama and the two positive kittens
> and I don't know if they realize it.  Good thing you sent this e-mail so
>  I'd remember to talk with them.
> 
> 
> 
> I have this book called "The Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook" which
>  is written by several different vets and I'll write exactly what they
> say about testing.  It's a little long so just ignore this next part if
> you don't want to know.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Currently there are two tests available to detect FeLV infection.
> 
> 
> 
> 1.  The IFA test, performed by a reference laboratory, detects virus
> antigen in infected white blood cells.  This indicates that the bone
> marrow is infected and there is a high probability that the cat is
> persistently viremic and is shedding the virus in his saliva, making him
>  infective to other cats.  About 97 percent of IFA positive cats remain
> viremic for life and never extinguish the virus.
> 
> 2.  The ELISA test detects virus antigen in whole blood, serum, saliva
> and tears.  Blood is the recommended sample for testing.  A rapid
> screening leukemia test kit is available for home and veterinary clinic
> use.  The ELISA test is more likely to detect weak, early, or transient
> infections.
> 
> 
> 
> The common practice is to screen for FeLV using the ELISA test.  If
> positive, the cat may have a

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Lynda Wilson

I wonder if the cats/kittens can shed the virus if a positive is on an ELISA 
test?  That would be so helpful to know, but I read that scientists could 
not determine when the virus actually sheds :(

- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Those two little babies are so adorable.  I really hope they turn out to
be negative.  How did you manage to get them to be still to take such
great photos?  When I try to take photos of my fosters for our website
they are too busy playing to sit still for a photo shoot.

I didn't foster the mama kitty or kittens that had FeLV but last I heard
they waited like a month and a half and did the IFA on the mama kitty
which turned out to be negative.  They did individual snap test on the
four kittens.  Two of the four kittens tested positive on the snap test
and the other two tested negative.  So weird.  They were able to adopt
out the two negative kittens, same home I believe, although they did
tell the adopters about the Mama and the two positive littermates.  The
other two littermates haven't been adopted yet.  I'm not sure about the
Mama cat.  I'll have to e-mail them to find out what's going on right
now.  They really need to re-test the Mama and the two positive kittens
and I don't know if they realize it.  Good thing you sent this e-mail so
I'd remember to talk with them.

I have this book called "The Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook" which
is written by several different vets and I'll write exactly what they
say about testing.  It's a little long so just ignore this next part if
you don't want to know.

"Currently there are two tests available to detect FeLV infection.

1.  The IFA test, performed by a reference laboratory, detects virus
antigen in infected white blood cells.  This indicates that the bone
marrow is infected and there is a high probability that the cat is
persistently viremic and is shedding the virus in his saliva, making him
infective to other cats.  About 97 percent of IFA positive cats remain
viremic for life and never extinguish the virus.

2.  The ELISA test detects virus antigen in whole blood, serum, saliva
and tears.  Blood is the recommended sample for testing.  A rapid
screening leukemia test kit is available for home and veterinary clinic
use.  The ELISA test is more likely to detect weak, early, or transient
infections.

The common practice is to screen for FeLV using the ELISA test.  If
positive, the cat may have a transient viremia from which he will
recover completely, or he may be in the early stages of a progressive
infection.  A positive ELISA test should be confirmed with an IFA test.
A positive IFA test indicates that the cat is shedding virus and is
capable of infecting others.

The ELISA test should be repeated in 8 to 12 weeks to see if the virus
has been eliminated.  The IFA test should also be repeated at this time
because if the cat was in an early stage of infection, the IFA initially
may not have been positive but may become so after 12 weeks."

That's the direct quote from the book.  The books also mentions about
latent (dormant) type infections where the cat is able to eliminate the
virus from blood and saliva but the virus still persists in the bone
marrow and in T-cell lymphocytes.  It says "over many months the
majority of latent-infected cats overcome and extinguish the virus, so
the incidence of latent infection after three years is quite low."
During this period of latency though it talks about sometimes stress and
illness can reactivate the virus.  As far as testing to find out if a
cat has a latent virus it says -

"Cats with latent infection test negative on both the ELISA and the IFA
tests.  This is because the virus is absent in both serum and white
cells.  The only way to diagnose a latent infection is to remove a
sample of the cat's bone marrow containing the dormant virus and grow
the cells in culture."

Well, that's what the book says anyway.  Not that it is an absolute
authority but most of the other reading seems to say the same thing.
What's funny is that you could have a cat that has a latent infection
and you would never know it unless the virus got reactivated and the cat
became sick.  So you could do 10 different test on the cat and they
would all be negative but then a year later the virus could become
reactived then the cat tests positive.  I look at all my cats and my
fosters and wonder if any of them have a latent infection.  You just
never know and that's the really scary part.  One encouraging thing
though is that only about 30% of the cats exposed to the virus actually
become permanently infected and will die from the disease.  Of course
30% is still too many.

The problem we in rescue have is that keeping the c

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Maureen Olvey

 decent diet is a good basis 
to start with.  Probably not the cheapest cat food they sell.  But the 
supplements are just way too confusing for me.  Natalie and some of the 
others might have some opinions.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> From: ana...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:15:18 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> John,
> Thanks, that's the idea I had too... Since Beltza shared her life with Zuri,
> my FeLV negative and we never had an issue.
> What brand of vaccines do you use on your FeLV Negative. We are using
> Pfizer's Leukocell on the rest of the kitties.
> 
> The thing is... If I was going to keep these little ones, I would be this
> worried But since I am in the need of finding suitable homes for them, I
> feel like I need to have more cautions. I do not want a random FeLV negative
> to gain the virus, just because someone forgot a vaccine
> 
> Natalie,
> One of the kitties is probably 3 months old, whilst the other one is,
> probably, 4 mo.
> As you and Maureen suggested, I will do the IFA test... I just need to find
> out where in México they have that test.
> Thanks for the info on the IFA test, it was pretty clear and really useful
> :)
> Maureen, thanks also for the info on the virus lifecycle/development. Is
> there anything we can do to help our kittie's immune system to fight the
> virus? Echinacea, maybe? Some other immunoestimulant?
> What happened to the mama cat and the kitties?
> 
> Thanks for the advice and for your words Gracias Bonnie :)
> 
> Beth,
> So, if I got a negative result in the IFA test, it can still mean that they
> are fighting the virus and the bone marrow could acquire the virus later?
> This is so hard :(
> 
> Dear all,
> Thank you so much for your support. This is a great group, and it feels son
> nice to count on you guys in these hard times.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Ana
> 
> PS. Here are pictures of the little ones, so you can get toknow them
> Erizo:
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=427613&l=e496f151d6&id=11729370338
> Panfi:
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=430657&l=7353fe13c5&id=11729370338
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Natalie

Blew my mind, too - also my vet's and the cat's previous vet's in NJ!
I think he was given the IFA much too soon after the ELISA - that could be
it - but who knowsI'm just grateful that they're both negative...

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Wow, Natalie, this is a great test result but it blows my mind. How does 
that happen?
- Original Message - 
From: "Natalie" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

The strange thing is that one of our previously tested FeLV cats had the
ELISA (positive), then the IFA (positive)before I got him (maybe it was done
too soon after the ELISA?).  Then I had both cats tested with IFA - both
negative

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

The IFA tests to see if the virus has gotten into the bone marrow & is not
reversible. A negative IFA does NOT mean the cat is not FeLV positive.

Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

If I may...
The IFA is more expensive, but results are more reliable. My vest advised,
"If the snap (vet's office) test is positive, you need to do IFA. If the
snap is negative, you probably don't need IFA."
Good for you for trying to be as sure as you can be. And thank you for
helping our furry friends!
Buena suerte!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:37 PM
To: Ana Gutierrez
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I think the standard snap test which just looks for FIV & FeLV is probably
more reliable than the triple test. Not sure though.

The IFA that Natalie mentioned looks to see if the virus has gotten into the
white blood cells, and if so then the cat will not get rid of the virus and
you can say for sure he's FeLV positive. But if it is just in his
bloodstream, which is what the snap test checks, then the cat still has a
chance of getting rid of the virus. Someone please correct me if I am
wrong.

So you have a couple of options -

You can do another snap test to make sure the first one was right, or you
can go ahead and do the IFA test.

If you do another snap test and it comes out negative then you don't need to
do anything else. But if the second snap test is positive then you'll need
to do more testing.

If you skip the snap test and go ahead and do an IFA test right now to see
if the virus is in his white blood cells, and it's positive then you know
for sure that he will not be able to get rid of the virus. However if it is
negative, then you will need to do another test in a few months to see if
the virus is present then because it could be in his blood stream now but
not go to his white blood cells for another few months.

Basically, you need two tests that match.

sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -----
From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: "molvey...@hotmail.com" 
Cc: 

Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?

Thanks!
Ana

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:

> Can you afford to re-test them right now? I'm just wondering if one
> or maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong. I've heard
> those triple snap test are a little less reliable.
>
> Are these adults or kittens?
>
>
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> To: 
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
> passed away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with
her..
>
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
>
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive
> (on a triple SNAP te

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Lynda Wilson

Wow, Natalie, this is a great test result but it blows my mind. How does 
that happen?
- Original Message - 
From: "Natalie" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

The strange thing is that one of our previously tested FeLV cats had the
ELISA (positive), then the IFA (positive)before I got him (maybe it was done
too soon after the ELISA?).  Then I had both cats tested with IFA - both
negative

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

The IFA tests to see if the virus has gotten into the bone marrow & is not
reversible. A negative IFA does NOT mean the cat is not FeLV positive.

Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

If I may...
The IFA is more expensive, but results are more reliable. My vest advised,
"If the snap (vet's office) test is positive, you need to do IFA. If the
snap is negative, you probably don't need IFA."
Good for you for trying to be as sure as you can be. And thank you for
helping our furry friends!
Buena suerte!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:37 PM
To: Ana Gutierrez
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I think the standard snap test which just looks for FIV & FeLV is probably
more reliable than the triple test. Not sure though.

The IFA that Natalie mentioned looks to see if the virus has gotten into the
white blood cells, and if so then the cat will not get rid of the virus and
you can say for sure he's FeLV positive. But if it is just in his
bloodstream, which is what the snap test checks, then the cat still has a
chance of getting rid of the virus. Someone please correct me if I am
wrong.

So you have a couple of options -

You can do another snap test to make sure the first one was right, or you
can go ahead and do the IFA test.

If you do another snap test and it comes out negative then you don't need to
do anything else. But if the second snap test is positive then you'll need
to do more testing.

If you skip the snap test and go ahead and do an IFA test right now to see
if the virus is in his white blood cells, and it's positive then you know
for sure that he will not be able to get rid of the virus. However if it is
negative, then you will need to do another test in a few months to see if
the virus is present then because it could be in his blood stream now but
not go to his white blood cells for another few months.

Basically, you need two tests that match.

sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -----
From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: "molvey...@hotmail.com" 
Cc: 

Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?

Thanks!
Ana

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

Can you afford to re-test them right now? I'm just wondering if one
or maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong. I've heard
those triple snap test are a little less reliable.

Are these adults or kittens?

sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: 

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
passed away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with

her..

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive
(on a triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats
are not siblings, they come from different litters from different
parts of México City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am
posting again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties.
Does these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house?
Can they share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as
they have their vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in
adoption? Can they

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Ana Gutierrez

John,
Thanks, that's the idea I had too... Since Beltza shared her life with Zuri,
my FeLV negative and we never had an issue.
What brand of vaccines do you use on your FeLV Negative. We are using
Pfizer's Leukocell on the rest of the kitties.

The thing is... If I was going to keep these little ones, I would be this
worried But since I am in the need of finding suitable homes for them, I
feel like I need to have more cautions. I do not want a random FeLV negative
to gain the virus, just because someone forgot a vaccine

Natalie,
One of the kitties is probably 3 months old, whilst the other one is,
probably, 4 mo.
As you and Maureen suggested, I will do the IFA test... I just need to find
out where in México they have that test.
Thanks for the info on the IFA test, it was pretty clear and really useful
:)
Maureen, thanks also for the info on the virus lifecycle/development. Is
there anything we can do to help our kittie's immune system to fight the
virus? Echinacea, maybe? Some other immunoestimulant?
What happened to the mama cat and the kitties?

Thanks for the advice and for your words Gracias Bonnie :)

Beth,
So, if I got a negative result in the IFA test, it can still mean that they
are fighting the virus and the bone marrow could acquire the virus later?
This is so hard :(

Dear all,
Thank you so much for your support. This is a great group, and it feels son
nice to count on you guys in these hard times.

Best wishes,
Ana

PS. Here are pictures of the little ones, so you can get toknow them
Erizo:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=427613&l=e496f151d6&id=11729370338
Panfi:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=430657&l=7353fe13c5&id=11729370338
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Natalie

The strange thing is that one of our previously tested FeLV cats had the
ELISA (positive), then the IFA (positive)before I got him (maybe it was done
too soon after the ELISA?).  Then I had both cats tested with IFA - both
negative

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

The IFA tests to see if the virus has gotten into the bone marrow & is not
reversible. A negative IFA does NOT mean the cat is not FeLV positive.

 Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

If I may...
The IFA is more expensive, but results are more reliable.  My vest advised,
"If the snap (vet's office) test is positive, you need to do IFA.  If the
snap is negative, you probably don't need IFA."
Good for you for trying to be as sure as you can be.  And thank you for
helping our furry friends!
Buena suerte!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:37 PM
To: Ana Gutierrez
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I think the standard snap test which just looks for FIV & FeLV is probably
more reliable than the triple test.  Not sure though.

The IFA that Natalie mentioned looks to see if the virus has gotten into the
white blood cells, and if so then the cat will not get rid of the virus and
you can say for sure he's FeLV positive.  But if it is just in his
bloodstream, which is what the snap test checks, then the cat still has a
chance of getting rid of the virus.  Someone please correct me if I am
wrong.

So you have a couple of  options  - 

You can do another snap test to make sure the first one was right, or you
can go ahead and do the IFA test.

If you do another snap test and it comes out negative then you don't need to
do anything else.  But if the second snap test is positive then you'll need
to do more testing.

If you skip the  snap test and go ahead and do an IFA test right now  to see
if the virus is in his white blood cells, and it's positive then you know
for sure that he will not be able to get rid of the virus.  However if it is
negative, then you will need to do another test in a few months to see if
the virus is present then because it could be in his blood stream now but
not go to his white blood cells for another few months.

Basically, you need two tests that match.

sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: "molvey...@hotmail.com" 
Cc: 

Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?

Thanks!
Ana

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:

> Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one 
> or maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard 
> those triple snap test are a little less reliable.
>
> Are these adults or kittens?
>
>
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> To: 
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza 
> passed away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with
her..
>
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in 
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
>
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive 
> (on a triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats 
> are not siblings, they come from different litters from different 
> parts of México City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be 
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
>
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am 
> posting again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. 
> Does these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? 
> Can they share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as 
> they have their vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in 
> adoption? Can they share their lives with other FeLV positive

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Beth

The IFA tests to see if the virus has gotten into the bone marrow & is not 
reversible. A negative IFA does NOT mean the cat is not FeLV positive.

 Beth
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From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

If I may...
The IFA is more expensive, but results are more reliable.  My vest advised, "If 
the snap (vet's office) test is positive, you need to do IFA.  If the snap is 
negative, you probably don't need IFA."
Good for you for trying to be as sure as you can be.  And thank you for helping 
our furry friends!
Buena suerte!
~Bonnie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:37 PM
To: Ana Gutierrez
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I think the standard snap test which just looks for FIV & FeLV is probably more 
reliable than the triple test.  Not sure though.

The IFA that Natalie mentioned looks to see if the virus has gotten into the 
white blood cells, and if so then the cat will not get rid of the virus and you 
can say for sure he's FeLV positive.  But if it is just in his bloodstream, 
which is what the snap test checks, then the cat still has a chance of getting 
rid of the virus.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

So you have a couple of  options  - 

You can do another snap test to make sure the first one was right, or you can 
go ahead and do the IFA test.

If you do another snap test and it comes out negative then you don't need to do 
anything else.  But if the second snap test is positive then you'll need to do 
more testing.

If you skip the  snap test and go ahead and do an IFA test right now  to see if 
the virus is in his white blood cells, and it's positive then you know for sure 
that he will not be able to get rid of the virus.  However if it is negative, 
then you will need to do another test in a few months to see if the virus is 
present then because it could be in his blood stream now but not go to his 
white blood cells for another few months.

Basically, you need two tests that match.

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- Reply message -
From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: "molvey...@hotmail.com" 
Cc: 

Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test 
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?

Thanks!
Ana

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:

> Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one 
> or maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard 
> those triple snap test are a little less reliable.
>
> Are these adults or kittens?
>
>
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> To: 
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza 
> passed away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her..
>
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in 
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
>
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive 
> (on a triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats 
> are not siblings, they come from different litters from different 
> parts of México City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be 
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
>
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am 
> posting again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. 
> Does these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? 
> Can they share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as 
> they have their vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in 
> adoption? Can they share their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at 
> the

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-02 Thread Maureen Olvey


The IFA is definitely the test to trust but from what I understand if 
the first snap test is positive then you need to do further testing like
 the IFA and to be safe you really need two tests with the same results 
to know for sure.  You would need either two IFA tests a few months 
apart that are both 
negative or an IFA and another snap test that are both negative.  So if 
you do an IFA now and the results are negative then you should still 
wait and do another test later on.  Since your first snap test 
showed positive you could do an IFA now.  If the IFA is negative right now then 
next time, a few months later if possible, you do either a snap test or 
another IFA test and the result should be negative also.  It's really 
confusing because the different test look at different things but I 
would definitely trust an IFA over a snap test.







Here's how I understand how the virus works, of course this is from a 
lay perspective as I'm not in the medical field whatsoever:







After the cat has contracted the virus it will first be in his 
bloodstream and saliva and urine.  At this point the virus has not yet 
progressed into his white blood cells so the cat's immune system could 
still extinguish the virus before the virus really takes hold in the 
body.  A snap test right now would show positive but the IFA would be 
negative.  That's because the snap test looks to see if the virus is in 
the bloodstream but the IFA test looks to see if the virus is in the 
white blood cells.  After a certain amount of time, some say three 
months some say six months, the virus will either be extinguished or 
will have gone into the white blood cells.  If the virus has been 
extinguished then a snap test and an IFA test will both be negative.  
But if the immune system was not able to extinguish the virus and it has
 really taken hold of the cat and progressed into the white blood cells 
then both a snap test and an IFA test will be positive.  In this case 
the cat will never be able to extinguish the virus.  Once the virus has 
progressed from his bloodstream into his white blood cells he won't be 
able to get rid of the virus so if the IFA ever comes back positive then
 there's no need to do any more testing.  Does this make sense?  I could
 be wrong but from what I've read and gotten from vets this is how it 
goes.  Of course there's a third option where the cat's immune system 
puts the virus into dormancy but no need to go into that right now.







So never completely trust the snap test and if it ever comes out 
positive then more testing must be done.  What order and how much time 
you wait in between the tests are the variables.  If you think the first
 snap test was done incorrectly and the results were wrong then you 
could do another snap test.  If a second snap test comes out negative 
then probably the cats are fine and you don't need to do anymore 
testing.  It just means they did the first snap test wrong.  But, if a 
second snap test comes out positive then it means the virus is definitely in 
the bloodstream and you need to do an IFA test 
because it's not 
necessarily in the white blood cells.  Or, instead of doing that 
second snap test you could just do an IFA test.  If you assume the first
 snap test was done correctly and the positive reading was correct then 
don't bother with another snap test just do an IFA test to see if the 
virus has progressed from the bloodstream into the white blood cells.  
Like I said, the snap test means the virus is in the bloodstream but the
 IFA test is to see if the virus is into the white blood cells.  The 
results of the IFA test will tell you whether you need more testing 
after that.  I would only do a second snap before doing an IFA if I had a
 suspicion that the first snap test was done wrong for whatever reason.







I hope I made sense.  Lots of times I say too much and confuse 
everyone.  I did that in our rescue recently when we came across a 
positive nursing mother and I was trying to explain the testing 
procedures and what they mean.  We were trying to decide whether to do a
 second snap test or do an IFA right away or just wait a couple months 
and do an IFA then.   The mama and kittens weren't ready for adoption 
anyway so we just ended up waiting a couple months then doing an IFA on 
the mama cat.






“I am 
not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to 
me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – 
Mark Twain

> From: ho...@sonic.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:57:26 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> If I may...
> The IFA is more expensive, but results are more reliable.  My vest ad

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread Bonnie Hogue

If I may...
The IFA is more expensive, but results are more reliable.  My vest advised, "If 
the snap (vet's office) test is positive, you need to do IFA.  If the snap is 
negative, you probably don't need IFA."
Good for you for trying to be as sure as you can be.  And thank you for helping 
our furry friends!
Buena suerte!
~Bonnie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:37 PM
To: Ana Gutierrez
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I think the standard snap test which just looks for FIV & FeLV is probably more 
reliable than the triple test.  Not sure though.

The IFA that Natalie mentioned looks to see if the virus has gotten into the 
white blood cells, and if so then the cat will not get rid of the virus and you 
can say for sure he's FeLV positive.  But if it is just in his bloodstream, 
which is what the snap test checks, then the cat still has a chance of getting 
rid of the virus.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

So you have a couple of  options  - 

You can do another snap test to make sure the first one was right, or you can 
go ahead and do the IFA test.

If you do another snap test and it comes out negative then you don't need to do 
anything else.  But if the second snap test is positive then you'll need to do 
more testing.

If you skip the  snap test and go ahead and do an IFA test right now  to see if 
the virus is in his white blood cells, and it's positive then you know for sure 
that he will not be able to get rid of the virus.  However if it is negative, 
then you will need to do another test in a few months to see if the virus is 
present then because it could be in his blood stream now but not go to his 
white blood cells for another few months.

Basically, you need two tests that match.

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From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: "molvey...@hotmail.com" 
Cc: 

Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test 
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?

Thanks!
Ana

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:

> Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one 
> or maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard 
> those triple snap test are a little less reliable.
>
> Are these adults or kittens?
>
>
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>
>
> ----- Reply message -
> From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> To: 
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza 
> passed away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her..
>
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in 
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
>
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive 
> (on a triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats 
> are not siblings, they come from different litters from different 
> parts of México City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be 
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
>
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am 
> posting again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. 
> Does these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? 
> Can they share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as 
> they have their vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in 
> adoption? Can they share their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at 
> the

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread molveywda

I think the standard snap test which just looks for FIV & FeLV is probably more 
reliable than the triple test.  Not sure though.

The IFA that Natalie mentioned looks to see if the virus has gotten into the 
white blood cells, and if so then the cat will not get rid of the virus and you 
can say for sure he's FeLV positive.  But if it is just in his bloodstream, 
which is what the snap test checks, then the cat still has a chance of getting 
rid of the virus.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

So you have a couple of  options  - 

You can do another snap test to make sure the first one was right, or you can 
go ahead and do the IFA test.

If you do another snap test and it comes out negative then you don't need to do 
anything else.  But if the second snap test is positive then you'll need to do 
more testing.

If you skip the  snap test and go ahead and do an IFA test right now  to see if 
the virus is in his white blood cells, and it's positive then you know for sure 
that he will not be able to get rid of the virus.  However if it is negative, 
then you will need to do another test in a few months to see if the virus is 
present then because it could be in his blood stream now but not go to his 
white blood cells for another few months.

Basically, you need two tests that match.

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From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: "molvey...@hotmail.com" 
Cc: 

Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?

Thanks!
Ana

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:

> Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one or
> maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard those triple
> snap test are a little less reliable.
>
> Are these adults or kittens?
>
>
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>
>
> - Reply message -----
> From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> To: 
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
> passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her..
>
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
>
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
>
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread Natalie

IFA is most reliable! Do they use that one in Mexico?

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ana Gutierrez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:30 PM
To: molvey...@hotmail.com
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?


Thanks!
Ana


On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:

> Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one or
> maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard those
triple
> snap test are a little less reliable.
>
> Are these adults or kittens?
>
>
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> To: 
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
> passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
>
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
>
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on
a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
>
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have
their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
> We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to
ensure
> a great life for these two little guys.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread Natalie

If the kitties are too young, the tests are also not reliable!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:29 PM
To: Ana Gutierrez; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one or maybe 
both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard those triple snap test 
are a little less reliable.

Are these adults or kittens?

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- Reply message -
From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: 

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread Ana Gutierrez

Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?


Thanks!
Ana


On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:

> Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one or
> maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard those triple
> snap test are a little less reliable.
>
> Are these adults or kittens?
>
>
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> To: 
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza
> passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
>
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
>
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
>
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
> We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
> a great life for these two little guys.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread molveywda

Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one or maybe 
both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard those triple snap test 
are a little less reliable.

Are these adults or kittens?


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From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: 

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread john pollack

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! They 
even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the negatives 
are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!

From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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[Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread Ana Gutierrez

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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