Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Sounds like your kitty was trying to help you figure it out Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 3:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Bob Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist. I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research. So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore) >2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500 > From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="u
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
This made me wonder if he has IBD. This causes weight loss and diarrhea. My 15 year old cat has has this. He was diagnosed with this 3 years ago and is on prednisolone and B-12 shots.Lorrie On 02-24, Pam Doore wrote: > Hi Bob, My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by > both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and > finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had > been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work > and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed > protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices > that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even > considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he > would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter Praise the > Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a > possibility anymore. > > My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want > to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them > even less inclined to eat. > > It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into > a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it > so the meds were not in the food. I am very grateful for transdermal > meds:-D. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea..
Thank you all for the ideas on treating Diarrhea... A few I recall reading about when I first got Jerry but several are brand new Bentonite and Pectin are seemingly benign enough and easily enough obtainable to add to his regimen Roundworm Larval stages are CERTAINLY not something I would have stumbled upon without Amani’s suggestion and worth serious consideration given that he does have poor hair growth and was vomiting some weeks ago ( it has abated in recent weeks) Problem is, as well, that the shelter has limited funds and does not “really” want to invest too much in a 15 y r old cat that isn’t that ill( yet)... and , for whom, so many things can be attributed to “ old age” ( as though somehow old age is itself a disease and treatment serves no real purpose) No creature dies of OLD age...systems break down and need repair or bolstering...just a LOT more frequently than in most young creatures.. so, as I’ve done in the past.. I will likely embark on some sane interventions on my own and see where they lead I’ve got a lot of ideas now... -bob On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 02:38 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Pam, Sandy et all (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Diarrhea... (Pam Doore) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:35:00 -0500 (EST) From: "dlg...@windstream.net" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Message-ID: <100234753.9421148.1519673700102.javamail.zim...@windstream.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PERPHERIAL T CELL CANCER IN 2000, HAD 10 CATS, 4 WITH LEUKEMIA. TREATMENTS DID NOT WORK, BUT WENT INTO REMISSION 1 YEAR LATER. NEITHER THE CATS OR I SUFFERED. THE FELV CATS DIED OF OLD AGE AND AT 77 I AM STILL AROUND DESPITE DIABETES AND AORTIC VALVE REPLACEMENT. SO I WOULD SAY NEITHER DISEASE HURTS THE OTHER. I CLEANED THE LITER BOXES, FED AND SLEPT WITH MY CATS. - Original Message - From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other species including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D. ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium wrote: Hello. Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not allowed to be around one another? My felv cat Skylar has been with me 2 years and my nephew moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with each other. Thanks for any information. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Thank you Bob :). I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :). A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked. They found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein. He was on this plan for a few months and has been diarrhea free for several years now. He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too. His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea. I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are supposed to help them. My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do , but this is Becca so will attempt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:37:52 -0500 From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you! On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: No ? it depends on the parasite load. Amani *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Thank you! On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > No – it depends on the parasite load. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Pam Doore > *Sent:* February-26-18 5:49 AM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... > > > > Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal? > > > ~~@~@~@~@~@ > > > *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **—** St. Patrick* > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: > > Bob > > Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should > have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which > move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the > lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the > lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the > immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the > intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms > in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the > Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their > various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, > so using both might also assist. > > I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a > year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of > stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the > vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out > how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was > just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was > strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could > figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally > understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her > sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and > saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, > unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the > immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through > mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first > place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, > the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while > nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I > couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any > new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough > and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and > no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. > > Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, > and did a bit of research. > > So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if > that leads to any improvement. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... > > Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” > I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the > shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original > recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and > aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my > boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing > it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to > a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t > afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ > supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to > me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or bod
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
No – it depends on the parasite load. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: February-26-18 5:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal? ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Bob Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist. I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research. So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > th
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal? ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > Bob > > Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should > have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which > move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the > lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the > lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the > immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the > intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms > in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the > Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their > various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, > so using both might also assist. > > I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a > year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of > stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the > vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out > how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was > just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was > strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could > figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally > understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her > sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and > saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, > unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the > immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through > mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first > place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, > the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while > nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I > couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any > new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough > and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and > no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. > > Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, > and did a bit of research. > > So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if > that leads to any improvement. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... > > Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” > I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the > shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original > recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and > aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my > boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing > it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to > a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t > afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ > supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to > me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore) > >2. Re: Felvtalk Dig
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Bob Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist. I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research. So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore) >2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500 > From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > *Hi Bob and all, * > > > *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions > about not seeing posts.* > > > *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas. A little less than a > month > later I was notified by a parent of one of
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea (for Bob)
Bob, Bentonite edible white clay and pectin work wonders for diarrhea! These are natural remedies and the dosage does not have to be exact. I mix a bit of clay and open a capsule of apple pectin with water and syringe a 3cc syringe, almost full, into the cats mouth. It does not taste bad (no taste) but of course the cat will protest as they alwayss do :-( Pet shops or Swanson Viamins carry both products. Lorrie and ten rescued cats at home. On 02-22, Ardy Robertson wrote: > Hi Bob, > > If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an > extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. > They used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't > think they used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a > small amount of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of > burns. Then get him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was > given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else > worked. > > > > I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be > something like a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to > help > > > > Ardy > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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i HAVE A NEW VET AND SHE IS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FOR TREATING ANYTHING WILL STICK WITH HER FOR LIFE. . - Original Message - From: Pam Doore <thyme2s...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 08:58:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Hi Bob, My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter Praise the Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a possibility anymore. My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them even less inclined to eat. It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it so the meds were not in the food. I am very grateful for transdermal meds:-D. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Bob, My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter Praise the Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a possibility anymore. My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them even less inclined to eat. It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it so the meds were not in the food. I am very grateful for transdermal meds:-D. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore) 2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500 From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" *Hi Bob and all, * *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions about not seeing posts.* *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas. A little less than a month later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the southern tier of NY. He is doing well and his name is also Tommy. I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he has. He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding lots of love! He is living in my Master suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :). * On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to unsubscribe Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months ??? I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter. He needs company Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far. Bob in Warwick NY -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:21:24 -0600 From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 Message-ID: <000a01d3ac55$6357$2a05$@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Bob, If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked. I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something like a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help ? Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone
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If a vet visit is necessary you might want to purchase At Ease. It's put out by Whisker City and can be purchased at PetsMart. WalMart also sells it. I usually spray the carrier about 15 minutes to a half hour before the cat has to be put inside. The spray is safe but it's better to let it dry a bit so the cat won't get it all over himself. it's a combination of herbs which is supposed to act like pheromones to relax the cat. It actually works. I was quite surprised. I had one howler who was louder than sirens all the way to the vet. When I finally was told about At Ease, I sprayed the carrier and the howling was down to a few meows and then he just gave up and sat for the ride. Is Pugs a long hair Persian type? He may have groomed himself into a hairball. The part about throwing up would worry me. From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Thanks all for the suggestions. At the shelter he was dewormed, but if the stool is the same tomorrow I will take a sample to the vet to rule any parasites out and go from there. Next step will be an actual visit. Hoping it won't come to that as it stresses him out so much. Will keep you posted, Laura, Dani Pugs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If it persists more than a day a vet visit would be in order to get him checked out to see what the root of the problem is. If you don't know the cause you cannot properly treat it. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Hi everyone, I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and big round eyes.) Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help. He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine. He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet. I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark. I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause. Thanks for reading, Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Laura, Has he been dewormed? If a stool sample turns up negative, consider trying FortiFlora. Or maybe that's the pro-biotic you mentioned. My 4 month old positive kittens recently went through a bout of diarrhea (where no parasites showed on a fecal float) that cleared up with FortiFlora. Katherine On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:51 PM, laurak...@aol.com wrote: Hi everyone, I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and big round eyes.) Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help. He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine. He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet. I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark. I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause. Thanks for reading, Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, I totally agree, if it last more than 24hr you should take her to the vet to get blood work and look at the stool as well. Best of luck, Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 4, 2013, at 13:08, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: If it persists more than a day a vet visit would be in order to get him checked out to see what the root of the problem is. If you don't know the cause you cannot properly treat it. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Hi everyone, I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and big round eyes.) Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help. He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine. He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet. I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark. I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause. Thanks for reading, Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Laura, I'd involve the Vet. Take a stool sample if you don't want to take Pugsley himself, and let the Vet see the consistency and mucous, and test for parasites.This doesn't sound like what I'd consider "normal" diarrhea. I know that sounds like a contradiction, but common causes (food issues, parasites, stress)don't usuallypresent that way. Especially with a compromised cat, better to find the cause and resolve the underlying problem. If you do want to ask for an antibiotic, I'd suggest Clavamox rather than either flagyl or tylan, both of which can have significant side effects. Doing some searching about L-Lysine, I see a few entries about high doses causing "Digestive issues", But I've never had any problems with it. I don't use it much anymore, and use famciclovir when herpes raises it's ugly head, but every cat is an individual. Pugsley may not tolerate that level on L-Lysine. I think it's something else. I hope it either resolves quickly on it's own, or turns out to be something simple. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: laurak...@aol.com Sent: Sep 4, 2013 12:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Hi everyone,I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and b ig round eyes.)Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help.He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine.He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet.I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark.I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause.Thanks for reading,Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks all for the suggestions. At the shelter he was dewormed, but if the stool is the same tomorrow I will take a sample to the vet to rule any parasites out and go from there. Next step will be an actual visit. Hoping it won't come to that as it stresses him out so much. Will keep you posted, Laura, Dani Pugs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Please try some rescue remedy Bach flowers if you have to take him; it might help ease him. Best, Mally Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 4, 2013, at 18:22, laurak...@aol.com wrote: Thanks all for the suggestions. At the shelter he was dewormed, but if the stool is the same tomorrow I will take a sample to the vet to rule any parasites out and go from there. Next step will be an actual visit. Hoping it won't come to that as it stresses him out so much. Will keep you posted, Laura, Dani Pugs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Gary, Have they been checked for Trichomonas foetus? That was the first thing that came to mind when I read your post. See if this might make sense; http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/docs/documents/ownersguide_tfoetus_revised_122009_final.pdf You might be able to stop the actual diarrhea with loperomide, but that's short term and won't eliminate the cause. Have they ever lived together? Have they been treated for parasites even if they don't show up in a fecal? Most worms/parasites only show intermittantly, so I always try a course of panacur for diarrhea that doesn't self-limit. I will think more about it :) HTH, Margo -Original Message- From: gcru...@centurytel.net Sent: May 11, 2013 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
I have tried to switch my pride (6) to a raw diet, they just turn up their noses and refuse to touch it. Of course, when I let them outside, they love mice, moles and voles. Funny tho, they never eat the organs, just head, legs and skin. How did you switch yours? Do you warm it up? They won't even eat canned food unless it is body temperature. In the meantime, I feed Blue Buffalo and Wellness which is better than the commercial stuff. I had a couple getting sick every time they ate from the corn, wheat and soy. As soon as I switched, that went away. Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Hello, Have you tried slippery elm? I have used it for diarrhea and it works well. Good luck! Sent from my iPhone. On May 12, 2013, at 14:58, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I have tried to switch my pride (6) to a raw diet, they just turn up their noses and refuse to touch it. Of course, when I let them outside, they love mice, moles and voles. Funny tho, they never eat the organs, just head, legs and skin. How did you switch yours? Do you warm it up? They won't even eat canned food unless it is body temperature. In the meantime, I feed Blue Buffalo and Wellness which is better than the commercial stuff. I had a couple getting sick every time they ate from the corn, wheat and soy. As soon as I switched, that went away. Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
I would suggest some probiotics...sounds like gut flora is off. Your vet may carry it...it's called Probiocin...comes in a gel/paste form in a syringe that cats like. Really helps with diarrhea. Also, a complete and balanced raw food diet will do the trick also. Yogurt really doesn't have that much probiotics in it, but if that's all you have, I'd try it. If the diarrhea persists, I'd get her to the vet...she may needs sub-q fluids to rehydrate her. Tracey On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
I have successfully used Propectalin to stop diarrhea in cats when there was no apparent cause (change of diet or some sort of parasite, bacteria). It's a paste. Comes in a tube and usually costs about $12. You put a 1 strip on your finger and swipe it into the cat's mouth. Be careful not to lose a finger. You do this two or three times a day for a couple of days or until you see that her stool is back to normal. It's sort of like Imodium for people. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Hi Maryam, My FeLV+ girl has had a few bouts of diarrhea, and canned pumpkin (not pie filling, of course) seemed to help. Ember seemed to enjoy the flavor or texture of pumpkin, too. She ate it by itself, though I think most people stir it into other food. Best wishes for Kitty to feel better today. Lance From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Thank you, I have made her the chicken broth too hours and once it is cooled ill add a little white rice, pumpkin and feed her that broth. Sent from my iPad On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:30, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi Maryam, My FeLV+ girl has had a few bouts of diarrhea, and canned pumpkin (not pie filling, of course) seemed to help. Ember seemed to enjoy the flavor or texture of pumpkin, too. She ate it by itself, though I think most people stir it into other food. Best wishes for Kitty to feel better today. Lance From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Thank you for your good wishes and suggestions. Kitty has not had diarrhea since 9am, I did not feed her until 4:30 and then only homemade chicken broth , with a little white rice and pumpkin. She has had that three times and since she has peed twice but no bowel movement. I'm hoping I can reintroduce solid food tomorrow at some point. Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:30, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi Maryam, My FeLV+ girl has had a few bouts of diarrhea, and canned pumpkin (not pie filling, of course) seemed to help. Ember seemed to enjoy the flavor or texture of pumpkin, too. She ate it by itself, though I think most people stir it into other food. Best wishes for Kitty to feel better today. Lance From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
