[Finale] Sibelius to Finale?

2010-04-30 Thread Bonnie Janofsky
I do not see any way to move a Sibelius file into Finale via XML. There is no option to export or save as an XML. I have Sibelius 6 but haven't worked in it and someone gave me some files created in Sibelius 3. The file opens in Sibelius but no way to export in a format that Finale can read

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale?

2010-04-30 Thread J D Thomas
Your best bet is to use the Dolet 5 plugin for Sibelius. It does co$t but you can download a 10-day demo that is fully functional if you only have a few files to convert. I use the plugin all the time, but the other way: Finale to Sibelius. It's remarkably accurate. J D Thomas

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale?

2010-04-30 Thread Eric Fiedler
. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de * On 30.04.2010, at 20:48, Bonnie Janofsky wrote: I do not see any way to move a Sibelius file into Finale via XML. There is no option to export or save

[Finale] Sibelius to Finale 2007

2008-10-12 Thread Jón Kristinn Cortez
I am working on a project with several composers and one of them has offered me his Sibelius files. As I have no interest in using Sibelius I can not recall the name of the plug-in (?) you can use to open Sibelius file into Finale. All I remember is it starts with an R and has something to do

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale 2007

2008-10-12 Thread Phong Duong
I believe it's a plug-in from Recordare:   http://store.recordare.com/software.html   Phong --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Jón Kristinn Cortez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jón Kristinn Cortez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale 2007 To: Finale@shsu.edu Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale 2007

2008-10-12 Thread Jón Kristinn Cortez
On 12.10.2008, at 15:01, Phong Duong wrote: I believe it's a plug-in from Recordare: http://store.recordare.com/software.html Phong --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Jón Kristinn Cortez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jón Kristinn Cortez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale 2007

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale 2007

2008-10-12 Thread John Howell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale 2007 To: Finale@shsu.edu Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 3:19 PM I am working on a project with several composers and one of them has offered me his Sibelius files. As I have no interest in using Sibelius I can not recall the name of the plug

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale 2007

2008-10-12 Thread Darcy James Argue
] Sibelius to Finale 2007 To: Finale@shsu.edu Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 3:19 PM I am working on a project with several composers and one of them has offered me his Sibelius files. As I have no interest in using Sibelius I can not recall the name of the plug-in (?) you can use to open Sibelius file

[Finale] Sibelius to Finale

2008-07-08 Thread Eric Fiedler
I know this has been discussed many times on this list, but ... A client has just sent us a huge Sibelius file to be worked on. What is the best way to get it into Finale with as much detail as possible being saved in the transition? (so a MIDI-solution would only be a solution if all else

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale

2008-07-08 Thread Richard Smith
If all you have is the file, MIDI may be your best choice, or you might find a Sibelius user who will print the file to PDF and return it to you so you can scan it. If you want, contact me privately and I'll do that for you. If you have Sibelius, you could buy the Music XML plug in from

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale

2008-07-08 Thread dhbailey
Richard Smith wrote: If all you have is the file, MIDI may be your best choice, or you might find a Sibelius user who will print the file to PDF and return it to you so you can scan it. If you want, contact me privately and I'll do that for you. If you have Sibelius, you could buy the Music

Re:[Finale] Sibelius to Finale

2008-07-08 Thread John Hinchey
Music Services Inc. Nashville, TN [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jul 8, 2008, at 12:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:52:21 +0200 From: Eric Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text

[Finale] Sibelius vs Finale

2008-02-22 Thread Lawrence David Eden
From what I keep reading on our List, it sounds like Finale has become so bug-ridden that it should be avoided. Instead of asking which is faster, I want to know if Sibelius is more reliable than Finale 2K8x. Happily, I am using an older version of Finale. I have no complaints as Finale

Re: [Finale] Sibelius vs Finale

2008-02-22 Thread shirling neueweise
in finale than in sibelius. ask sibelius users with the same level of knowledge and experience as the people commenting on finale bugs and guess what? you'll find sibelius has bugs too, except they're called features there. i do get the impression -- and this is not scientifically founded at all

Re: [Finale] Sibelius vs Finale

2008-02-22 Thread Richard Smith
It depends on what your trying to accomplish. Sibelius provides brackets and sub brackets as well as keyboard type braces. The bracket and the brace can be used together but will collide and I have not found a way to move either from the default horizontal position. They are easily adjustable

Re: [Finale] Sibelius vs Finale

2008-02-22 Thread dhbailey
. One feature missing in Sibelius which Finale has had for years: Independent time signatures so a person can easily enter a score with, for example, 6/8 in some staves and 2/4 in others. It's possible in Sibelius but requires a lot of workarounds to accomplish it. But those workarounds

Re: [Finale] Sibelius vs Finale

2008-02-22 Thread dhbailey
of the education market, which is where any notation program (in my not-so-humble opinion) should be making as large a presence as possible? The Finale new-users and upgraders of tomorrow are those who are introduced in a positive way to the program today. And in none of the schools around me is Finale

Re: [Finale] Sibelius vs Finale

2008-02-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On 22-Feb-08, at 7:27 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: the same people who found earlier versions peachy-keen are likely to find newer versions even more peachy-keen Heh, heh! I never thought of that! the people talking about the bugs aren't necessarily saying finale should be avoided,

Re: [Finale] Sibelius vs Finale

2008-02-22 Thread cisraels
-- Original message -- From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I would say avoid the original version of 2008; it's too buggy to work with. The 2008a update fixed a lot. Hi Christopher, I agree, but I don't know why this freeze on quit bug has hit

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-17 Thread Mark D Lew
in Sibelius. Sounds to me like anyone who is in the habit of using non-MIDI Speedy is going to have to learn a completely new entry method if he switches to Sibelius. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-17 Thread dhbailey
Mark D Lew wrote: On Oct 15, 2007, at 4:11 AM, dhbailey wrote: I'm still waiting for Finale to fix it's improved Fin2k8 speedy entry tool so that ctrl-3 (top-row number key) initiates triplets again. Why they would change that escapes my ability to understand. But with the professed aim of

slurs (was Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users)

2007-10-17 Thread Mark D Lew
-looking long slur is one of its greatest weaknesses. It's the only significant case I can think of where Finale hasn't even caught up to traditional engraving. Are long slurs any better in Sibelius? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-17 Thread Mark D Lew
On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:27 AM, dhbailey wrote: opt-3 should work when you use the 3 on the numpad. It just doesn't work as it used to when you use the 3 on the top-row of number keys. Oh, well in that case it wouldn't bother me. I always use the number pad. mdl

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-16 Thread Darcy James Argue
Rats are actually quite good swimmers. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Oct 2007, at 3:36 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: I'd hope a rat with paws inquisitively on both ship and lifeboat might display the best instinctual wisdom for self-survival. After all: I'm

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-16 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote: Sorry. Try this one. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713. Thanks. I have a question: Does Sibelius have something similar to Engraver slurs? Johannes I'm not quite sure how to answer this -- Sibelius's

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 16.10.2007 dhbailey wrote: I'm not quite sure how to answer this -- Sibelius's slurs look fine to me. I've never really understood the difference between Engraver Slurs and Finale's normal slurs, so I can't really answer whether Sibelius's slurs work the same, worse or better than

Totally OT; Was: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-16 Thread Randolph Peters
Darcy James Argue wrote: Rats are actually quite good swimmers. Yes, but they don't like it. Apparently it makes them depressed. For more information, see: Garcia LSB et al. Acute administration of ketamine induces antidepressant-like effects in the forced swimming test and increases BDNF

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-16 Thread Mark D Lew
I'd know any other way. Surely you aren't forced to go to the mouse and pick the tuplet tool?? In spite of my few quibbles, I'm fairly content with the Finale that I'm using right now. I see little reason why I would want to upgrade Finale *or* switch to Sibelius. It makes little

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.10.2007 Tyler Turner wrote: The revamped Simple Entry of 2004 and 2005 was not intended to mimic Sibelius but rather to blatantly borrow the things Sibelius was doing right and then go way past them in coming up with an efficient tool. Sibelius still maintains an advantage in regional

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 14 Oct 2007 at 16:28, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 03:42 PM 10/14/2007, David W. Fenton wrote: The point is that Sibelius is not as versatile as Finale in terms of providing options for music entry. Bad-mouthing Finale doesn't change the fact that Sibelius is more

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
new tool. Those who expect Sibelius to be Finale-East (as in coming from a country to the east of the U.S.) will be greatly disappointed, just as anybody thinking that Finale is merely Sibelius-West will also be disappointed. They're two different programs which can achieve the same results

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:17 AM, dhbailey wrote: I don't think MakeMusic would dissolve the Speedy Entry tool were it the preferred tool of choice for a huge majority of its users, probably taking its lead from corporate users who purchase large numbers of site licenses, who may not be

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:17 AM, dhbailey wrote: I don't think MakeMusic would dissolve the Speedy Entry tool were it the preferred tool of choice for a huge majority of its users, probably taking its lead from corporate users who purchase large numbers of site

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.10.2007 dhbailey wrote: The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns ctrl-3 (top-row) to zoom factor, depriving us of the deeply-ingrained behavior of defining a triplet with ctrl-3 (top-row -- it still works with the numpad 3 key but that was never what I did) made me

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:47 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote: The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns ctrl-3 (top-row) to zoom factor, depriving us of the deeply-ingrained behavior of defining a triplet with ctrl-3 (top-row -- it still works with the numpad 3 key but that was never what I did)

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: I used to tie notes across barlines by entering too large a value, then hitting Move extra notes to next measure. This would be selected by default after the first time, so it would make things fast when dealing with the large number of anticipations that

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sibelius does allow the computer keyboard selection on pitches (in a much easier way than Finale, in my opinion, in that you hit an A and the closest A appears on the staff, B gives the nearest B, etc, rather than having to use A S D F G H J for

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:10 AM 10/15/2007, Christopher Smith wrote: I sent a panicked message to MakeMusic when the rumour first started circulating that Speedy was to be eliminated in favour of Simple. According to the response I received, what they are thinking of is COMBINING the two tools, with the

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread ThomaStudios
I've been bitching about the lack of a Cancel button in the 'Too Many Beats... dialog box for years, to absolutely no avail. The response I last got from some dim-bulb tech support dweeb was they no longer felt it was consistent or necessary with the GUI. WHAT??? I scream every time I

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but I'm still on 2007 ... Dean On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:04 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 15.10.2007 dhbailey wrote: The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns ctrl-3 (top-row) to zoom factor, depriving us of the

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but I'm still on 2007 ... That's right -- it was changed in Fin2008. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Lord, I'm glad I didn't upgrade! Dean On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:06 AM, dhbailey wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but I'm still on 2007 ... That's right -- it was changed in Fin2008. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
the same advice (and have, repeatedly on this list) to anybody starting with Finale, no matter where they came from. Follow the tutorials, read the documentation concerning the entry methods, and be patient and practice it as a brand new tool. Those who expect Sibelius to be Finale-East

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread George Ports
Do they have a better guitar sound? George Ports - Original Message - From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users Richard Smith wrote: Sibelius 5 comes with about 3GB of samples called

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Chuck Israels
Hi Tyler, If MM implemented this, it would make it possible for me to consider making use of Simple Entry's advantages. Pitch first is a requirement for my way of thinking/working. Adding those advantages to Speedy would be even better for me. Chuck On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Tyler

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
George Ports wrote: Do they have a better guitar sound? George Ports I couldn't really say, because what one person's better guitar sound is may well be another person's horrible guitar sound. And I don't write music for guitars so I haven't really compared them. The samples taken from

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Ray Horton
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius: When I started usin Finale (FinWin 97), I had a new computer with a temporary midi conflict from two sound cards. As a result, I couldn't use Speedy for a while and had to use Simple for a few weeks. That did give a benefit of becoming proficient with all

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Ray Horton
I get this a lot, also. I just let it do it's dirty work, then hit Ctrl_Z to undo it. (sigh). RBH ThomaStudios wrote: I've been bitching about the lack of a Cancel button in the 'Too Many Beats... dialog box for years, to absolutely no avail. The response I last got from some dim-bulb

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Seems to me that a rat leaving a sinking ship is an intelligent rat. Dean On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Ray Horton wrote: Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius: When I started usin Finale (FinWin 97), I had a new computer with a temporary midi conflict from two sound cards. As a result, I

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
mixture of entry capabilities with a single Finale tool. Yes, Sibelius doesn't split their entry methods between two different tools, but that doesn't mean there is only one entry method for Sibelius. Any combination of computer keyboard, mouse and midi-keyboard is possible in Sibelius, just

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Mon, October 15, 2007 3:21 pm, dhbailey wrote: The one control which Sibelius lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to place the pitch. Ack! That's the only method of entry I use in Finale! Wuncha know... Dennis

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler Turner wrote: [snip] In Finale, if you make a mistake and enter the wrong duration for a note, you can use a single keystroke to fix it (alt-number - so alt-4 converts last note into eighth note). You don't have to arrow back to the note

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
] Sibelius for Finale users Seems to me that a rat leaving a sinking ship is an intelligent rat. Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Ray Horton
, then needing a friend to explain that it was a supposed to be a joke is their idea of a welcome, hmm... RBH The entry methods are different between the two programs and there really isn't a way to compare directly Sibelius's mixture of entry capabilities with a single Finale tool. Yes

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread David W. Fenton
$On 15 Oct 2007 at 15:21, dhbailey wrote: Any combination of computer keyboard, mouse and midi-keyboard is possible in Sibelius, just as in Finale. The one control which Sibelius lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to place the pitch. And if that's a deal

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 03:21 PM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote: possible in Sibelius, just as in Finale. The one control which Sibelius lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to place the pitch. That's not true. Sibelius lacks an equivalent to Finale's Speedy

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 15 Oct 2007 at 16:03, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 15.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: I used to tie notes across barlines by entering too large a value, then hitting Move extra notes to next measure. This would be selected by default after the first time, so it would make things fast

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
Tyler Turner wrote: --- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler Turner wrote: [snip] In Finale, if you make a mistake and enter the wrong duration for a note, you can use a single keystroke to fix it (alt-number - so alt-4 converts last note into eighth note). You don't have to arrow

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: I'd hope a rat with paws inquisitively on both ship and lifeboat might display the best instinctual wisdom for self-survival. After all: I'm merely curious to see if the Roquefort is truly greener on the other side. It's not necessarily greener, I'd

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I think that is where a lot of us are right now, both in the ship and the life boat. dhbailey wrote: So this rat is firmly keeping his feet firmly planted on both ship and life-boat and hoping against hope that I don't fall into the water as the boats drift apart. But I have my

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
on the staff, and then we write the value we want. We don't mentally select a half note, say, and then decide the pitch. I agree 100%, and it's one of the big advantages Finale has over Sibelius. I asked on the Sibelius support site about this but it's not possible. I'm investigating using XML

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
in terms of providing options for music entry. Bad-mouthing Finale doesn't change the fact that Sibelius is more limiting, and enforces a single way of working, whereas Finale offers choice. Sibelius offers more than one entry method. Finale has acknowledged that it is getting rid of the Speedy

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Christopher Smith
On 15-Oct-07, at 6:42 PM, Matthew Hindson fastmail account wrote: (On a side note, there are some aggro types on the Sibelius chat site! I had to look up that word! 8-) I thought at first that it was Aussie slang. Apparently it comes from online game playing, where either all the players

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 07:11 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote: Finale has acknowledged that it is getting rid of the Speedy Entry tool, incorporating aspects of it into other tools. I don't believe this is true. Christopher Smith said that an MM employee told him that they are thinking of combining the two tools,

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 07:11 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote: Finale has acknowledged that it is getting rid of the Speedy Entry tool, incorporating aspects of it into other tools. I don't believe this is true. Christopher Smith said that an MM employee told him that they are thinking of

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote: Sorry. Try this one. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713. Thanks. I have a question: Does Sibelius have something similar to Engraver slurs? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-15 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 07:27 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote: Sibelius does allow the computer keyboard selection on pitches (in a much easier way than Finale, in my opinion, in that you hit an A and the closest A appears on the staff, B gives the nearest B, etc, Isn't that exactly how the current Simple works?

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote: I am a long time Finale user (since v.2) currently using 2005. I am also experienced with Sibelius (since v.1) which is my preferred program. Since so many on this list are investigating Sibelius, may I draw your attention to this thread on the Sibelius list

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread dhbailey
there is more variety in Sibelius. Whereas Finale only includes the GPO subset and then included the DXi version of the SmartMusic soundfont, Sibelius also got some instruments from the JABB set so there are saxophones included. And it also includes wider choices of percussion instruments along

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread dhbailey
Richard Smith wrote: Sibelius 5 comes with about 3GB of samples called Sibelius Sounds Essentials. It includes GPO, Garriton JABB, Concert and Maching Band, Virtual Drumline, and World Music. It also has VST/AU support so you can also use other sample libraries. Just to clarify -- it comes

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread Richard Smith
Sorry. Try this one. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713. RGS Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote: I am a long time Finale user (since v.2) currently using 2005. I am also experienced with Sibelius (since v.1) which is my preferred program.

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is more variety in Sibelius. Whereas Finale only includes the GPO subset and then included the DXi version of the SmartMusic soundfont, Sibelius also got some instruments from the JABB set so there are saxophones included. And it also

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Oct 2007 at 7:59, Richard Smith wrote: Sorry. Try this one. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713. Sorry, but for a thread to begin with this: Sibelius' keyboard entry routines are what Finale has been trying to copy for several years. This just by

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:42 PM 10/14/2007, David W. Fenton wrote: Sorry, but for a thread to begin with this: Sibelius' keyboard entry routines are what Finale has been trying to copy for several years. This just by no stretch of the imagination a true statement. Simple Entry existed before Sibelius

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Oct 2007 at 16:28, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 03:42 PM 10/14/2007, David W. Fenton wrote: The point is that Sibelius is not as versatile as Finale in terms of providing options for music entry. Bad-mouthing Finale doesn't change the fact that Sibelius is more limiting, and enforces a

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I don't believe this is true. Yes, Simple Entry has been around forever, but the revamped Simple introduced a few years ago was very specifically an attempt to mimic the functionality of Sibelius note entry. The revamped Simple Entry

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-14 Thread Richard Smith
David, I'm sorry if I offended you. It was not my intent to insult Finale our your working method, merely to say that while Speedy Entry is for many (myself included) the most efficient manner of working with Finale, Sibelius works best with keyboard step time entry methods. I realize

[Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-13 Thread Richard Smith
I am a long time Finale user (since v.2) currently using 2005. I am also experienced with Sibelius (since v.1) which is my preferred program. Since so many on this list are investigating Sibelius, may I draw your attention to this thread on the Sibelius list

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-13 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Well, if this post gets out there, since I had no responses to my query inre what sorts of playback sounds were available in Sib 5, and after finally having found some of the info on the Sibelius product description, I went ahead the coughed up the $80 and ordered one. I'd still like to

Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users

2007-10-13 Thread Richard Smith
Sibelius 5 comes with about 3GB of samples called Sibelius Sounds Essentials. It includes GPO, Garriton JABB, Concert and Maching Band, Virtual Drumline, and World Music. It also has VST/AU support so you can also use other sample libraries. Richard Smith http://www.rgsmithmusic.com Dean M.

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale

2005-03-19 Thread dhbailey
Richard Yates wrote: Is there any way at all, short of reentering all the notes, of getting a Sibelius score into Finale (even just as MIDI)? Richard Yates It'll cost some money, but if you buy the MusicXML plug-in for Sibelius from www.recordare.com, you can export the music into MusicXML format

[Finale] Sibelius into Finale

2005-03-19 Thread john harding
Richard Yates wrote: Is there any way at all, short of reentering all the notes, of getting a Sibelius score into Finale (even just as MIDI)? Richard Yates It'll cost some money, but if you buy the MusicXML plug-in for Sibelius from www.recordare.com, you can export the music into MusicXML

Re: [Finale] Sibelius into Finale

2005-03-19 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mar 19, 2005, at 7:28 AM, john harding wrote: I'm no Finalist, but I did once save a Sibelius score as MIDI and then open it in Finale. I wanted to see if it would (unlike Sibelius) notate multiple Scotch Snaps correctly, which it did. The formatting seemed to have flown out the window, and

Re: [Finale] Sibelius into Finale

2005-03-19 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 12:21 PM 03/19/2005, Christopher Smith wrote: OK, I have to ask. What's a Scotch Snap? Sixteenth - dotted eighth. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] Sibelius to Finale

2005-03-18 Thread Richard Yates
Is there any way at all, short of reentering all the notes, of getting a Sibelius score into Finale (even just as MIDI)? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Sibelius to Finale

2005-03-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Richard Yates wrote: Is there any way at all, short of reentering all the notes, of getting a Sibelius score into Finale (even just as MIDI)? Not for free. The Recordare sells a Dolet plug in for Sibelius, that converts a Sibelius file to music XML, from which it can be imported from Music

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton wrote: My point is that simple optimization (i.e., removing blank staves from a systen) should happen automatically if you have optimization turned on for the passage of music represented on a system (while I understand that Johannes has a use for optimization being stored in

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David, Optimization in Finale allows to remove blank staves _and_ makes the vertical spacing of each system independent from the global setting. It has *all* to do with the vertical spacing. You can optimize without removing empty staves. Unless I am missing something here it is you who hasn't

RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread jeffery
I appreciate all the feedback and ideas, everyone, thank you. I've worked with 2005 for the last day now, and already see many dramatic improvements, and appreciated the returned control over the end product. So it is back to Finale for me. I've also written a blog entry on this topic (Finale vs

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mar 4, 2005, at 5:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also written a blog entry on this topic (Finale vs. Sibelius) on my website, would be interested in your feedback: Very nicely put, but for my money (all 0$ of it!) I would have liked more detail than just hairpin openings, particularly

RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread jeffery
] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison On Mar 4, 2005, at 5:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also written a blog entry on this topic (Finale vs. Sibelius) on my website, would be interested in your feedback: Very nicely put, but for my money (all 0$ of it!) I would

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread Jari Williamsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also written a blog entry on this topic (Finale vs. Sibelius) on my website, would be interested in your feedback: http://www.jefferycotton.net/info.asp?pgs=blogentryblbe=10 I hope you've also found the Interviews on the Finale Tips site. Those should give you many

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Mar 2005 at 19:37, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 3, 2005, at 6:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Do you currently have to define default vertical spacing for systems on a per-system basis? No, of course not -- there are default settings already. The default setting for the system I describe

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Mar 2005 at 9:50, Johannes Gebauer wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: My point is that simple optimization (i.e., removing blank staves from a systen) should happen automatically if you have optimization turned on for the passage of music represented on a system (while I understand

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:22 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: OK, that makes sense. I'm in the habit of doing all my layout adjustments only after layout is set, so the change wouldn't really benefit me much, but I can see how it would be a great help to people who make large changes to a piece after

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton wrote: In my case this has nothing to do with parts at all. The reason I need to optimize out parts which have got music in them has to do with doubling parts. For instance, in some situations the first and second violins play identical parts, and for space reasons I just want to

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 4, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Whether this has to be invoked or is updated automatically is actually a pretty minor point in terms of time savings - at least for the way I do my work. Yep. Especially if all the systems are pre-optimized in the template. mdl

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Johannes, There's no reason why Finale couldn't have automatically updating optimization with the option to do a manual override. You had to do a manual override anyway to hide staves containing notes. It would be easy for Finale to keep track of which staves have been manually

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I was merely commenting to what David said: I think it's crazy that the optimization information is stored with the absolute system rather than as a global setting that automatically updates the optimization when conditions change to warrant it. It is precisely the fact that the optimization

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mar 2, 2005, at 10:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 2 Mar 2005 at 20:18, Christopher Smith wrote: disappearing measures, I've never seen that. What is that? I have occasionally seen measures APPEAR to vanish, but that is usually because I had a multi-measure rest where I later entered notes,

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