Re: [Finale] mp3

2006-01-04 Thread dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry to trouble you again with another question which I know was raised earlier this week but which I cannot find in my archives. In the instruction manual it shows the option to save special as either wav or mp3 I am only offered wav. Am I doing something

Re: [Finale] Piano Reduction Plug in

2006-01-04 Thread dhbailey
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I'm writing a piece for E.H., Flute, strings and Chorus. My score, naturally, has all those parts in it. I want to produce a score in which all the instrumental parts are reduced to a 2 stave piano part, but leave out the vocal parts. The Piano Reduction Plug in

Re: [Finale] Fin2006b update update

2006-01-04 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 07:59 PM 1/3/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ... so, is 2006c different from 2006b, and if so, how and, if so, is 2000c for both PC and Mac? Dean, with all due respect, the web page with information on updates is easily accessible, and the URL has been posted

Re: [Finale] mp3

2006-01-04 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 04/01/2006 12:13:57 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the windows version, there are two radio buttons at the bottom of the Save Special / Audio File dialog, one for WAV, one for MP3. Hi David, Thanks, but that's the problem - there aren't - there's

Re: [Finale] mp3

2006-01-04 Thread dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 04/01/2006 12:13:57 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the windows version, there are two radio buttons at the bottom of the Save Special / Audio File dialog, one for WAV, one for MP3. Hi David, Thanks, but that's the

Re: [Finale] mp3

2006-01-04 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
Hi David, thanks - yes I'm on windows. I'll see if the other person who had this problem managed to sort it then give MM a try. Thanks, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.ukDulcian Wind Quintet: http://dulcianwind.co.uk

Re: [Finale] Reverse Piano Reduction (sort of)

2006-01-04 Thread dhbailey
Jim Mays wrote: RTFM In the transpose dialogue box check preserve original notes. Then transpose by an octave and you'll get the old and the new pitches. How counterintuitive is that? It never would have occurred to me to notice that. While I'm not quite sure that having it in plain

Re: [Finale] mp3

2006-01-04 Thread Simon Troup
If you're on Mac, then I have no clue and hopefully Mac users will jump in and help. I'm on Mac 2006b and I see both those buttons. -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list

[Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Henry E. Howey
I have begun to peruse Sibelius 4 this week before classes. Since my FINALE class for the Musicology School in Cremona will include a brief history of computer music notation, I was wondering if anyone might have some odd bits of experiences to share with me, particularly regarding OTHER music

[Finale] Solved!

2006-01-04 Thread Henry E. Howey
The WAVE-only setting was the result of using the GPO settings in the selected file. If I open an old file with the artificial instruments, MP3 is possible;-) Also, using GHPO Studio will cause a note that the GPO dll is unavailable. GPO Stuido will play the file; however, there can be a

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.01.2006 Henry E. Howey wrote: In short, FINALE has (thanks to prodding by SIBELIUS in particular) begun to evolve into what many critics felt was its greatest weakness, its attempt to be all things. To be honest, I think it is increasingly becoming its greatest weakness. Especially

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Simon Troup
To be honest, I think it is increasingly becoming its greatest weakness. Especially since it seems to be trying to be a toy as well as a tool. I wished it would concentrate on being a tool. I'm hoping that continued success of SmartMusic and also encouraging results with Finale such as this

Re: [Finale] Fin2006b update update

2006-01-04 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Noted, thank you. Dean On Jan 3, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 07:59 PM 1/3/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ... so, is 2006c different from 2006b, and if so, how and, if so, is 2000c for both PC and Mac? Dean, with all due respect, the web page with information on

[Finale] HP effects on final bar

2006-01-04 Thread Don Hart
I'm on a mac using 05 and dinkin' around w/ 06. I have a piece which stays in tempo to the very end, even accelerating before ever slowing. I can't for the life of me figure out how to keep HP from playing the last measure back with a very dramatic ritardando and fermata. The apply HP plugin

Re: [Finale] Reverse Piano Reduction (sort of)

2006-01-04 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 4, 2006, at 7:29 AM, dhbailey wrote: Jim Mays wrote: RTFM In the transpose dialogue box check preserve original notes. Then transpose by an octave and you'll get the old and the new pitches. How counterintuitive is that? It never would have occurred to me to notice that. While I'm

Re: [Finale] HP effects on final bar

2006-01-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.01.2006 Don Hart wrote: I have a piece which stays in tempo to the very end, even accelerating before ever slowing. I can't for the life of me figure out how to keep HP from playing the last measure back with a very dramatic ritardando and fermata. The apply HP plugin (which I haven't

[Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread keith helgesen
Dave Bailey recently wrote; But until MakeMusic comes up with a real index, RTFM is a useless suggestion, unless you also include the page reference or at least the Chapter, Heading to try to find it under. Having had RTFM thrown at me several times in the past I

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread Simon Troup
Anyway- that's my New Year babble over with! Have a good 2006 everyone! Cheers Keith in OZ I'm not going to quote the whole email, but thought I would add a quick Aye in agreement. I have to admit to sometimes looking really hard for a solution in the manual only to find, when a solution has

Re: [Finale] HP effects on final bar

2006-01-04 Thread Don Hart
I knew I had seen it somewhere else. However, I'm not using a custom style and when I go to that dialog Final Bar is not even checked. How do I get slowed down results on this final bar, then? Seems a bit buggy. Don on 1/4/06 1:26 PM, Johannes Gebauer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

RE: [Finale] Reverse Piano Reduction (sort of)

2006-01-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Jan 2006 at 22:39, Jim Mays wrote: In the transpose dialogue box check preserve original notes. Then transpose by an octave and you'll get the old and the new pitches. How counterintuitive is that? It never would have occurred to me to notice that. RTFM I *did* read the manual.

Re: [Finale] HP effects on final bar

2006-01-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.01.2006 Don Hart wrote: I knew I had seen it somewhere else. However, I'm not using a custom style and when I go to that dialog Final Bar is not even checked. How do I get slowed down results on this final bar, then? Seems a bit buggy. You will have to use the Custom Style to get

Re: [Finale] Reverse Piano Reduction (sort of)

2006-01-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Jan 2006 at 13:34, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 4, 2006, at 7:29 AM, dhbailey wrote: Jim Mays wrote: In the transpose dialogue box check preserve original notes. Then transpose by an octave and you'll get the old and the new pitches. How counterintuitive is that? It never

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I totally disagree. I think the Manual that comes with Finale is one of the best. I can 99.5% of the time find what I am looking for. The one thing I'd like is to MakeMusic to offer a PRINTED manual at a reasonable price. I find the online manual a pain sometimes. But the content and the

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account
Henry E. Howey wrote: Since my FINALE class for the Musicology School in Cremona will include a brief history of computer music notation, I was wondering if anyone might have some odd bits of experiences to share with me, particularly regarding OTHER music notation software? I too am taking a

RE: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread Jim Mays
I bet if you or anyone else made a serious effort to drill down on the manual as well as browse through it, you would find all kinds of stuff that would really help with Finale. I write software for a living. I also write the manuals and I also handle customer service calls. Not for MakeMusic,

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 1/4/06, Eric Dannewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one thing I'd like is to MakeMusic to offer a PRINTED manual at a reasonable price. I find the online manual a pain sometimes. But the content and the indexing is one of the best I've come across in software. They will print and bind the

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Friends, WRT how things are called in the manual, I must note that, as far as finding things in the manual is concerned, I've found the Visible Index in the quick reference card quite useful more than once. ns ___ Finale mailing list

[Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 03:20 PM 1/4/06 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: But I cannot construct a logical path to that destination without first knowing that the feature is associated with transposition. That association is not at all obvious to me. I'm with David on this problem of poorly placed and described

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread Richard Smith
Too bad you didn't say who you do customer service for. I would love to call for help only to be arrogantly sworn at and treated like a child. One of the problems with software documentation is the knowledge it presumes the reader has which, often, the reader does not possess. We all learn

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Brad Beyenhof / 2006/01/04 / 05:29 PM wrote: They will print and bind the entire PDF manual for you for $20 or $30 (I don't remember the cost exactly) if you call and request it. I did this for Finale 2004, and it was definitely worth it. It's like $35, and I paid more than $40 because of its

[Finale] Re: Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Michael Good
The classic reference for a history of computer music notation up until 1997 is the wonderful Beyond MIDI book edited by Eleanor Selfridge-Field. You can check it out at Amazon at: http://www.recordare.com/xml/amazon.asp?asin=0262193949 This book was essential to the development of MusicXML,

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 03:05 PM 1/4/06 -0800, Eric Dannewitz wrote: You mean something like Microsoft has with it's Clippy help? Yeah. That would be great. Something called NOTEIE or something. You notice I didn't mention that? That was a really bad design to cover up a mess, especially with MSWord. (Look at the

Re: [Finale] Piano Reduction Plug in

2006-01-04 Thread Richard Smith
Please forgive my delay in responding to this thread. I have recently made some piano reductions for a client and have experienced this problem exactly. I began the job by trying the reductions in both Sibelius (my preference, sorry) and Finale. Though each program did the reductions quickly,

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Owain Sutton
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I don't think there is a program out there that one does not need a manual for. Cite me one. I'd like to experience this utopia. But Finale, and other programs like Digital Performer have excellent manuals and visual cheats. I cited you four (Photoshop,

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Jim Mays wrote: I bet if you or anyone else made a serious effort to drill down on the manual as well as browse through it, you would find all kinds of stuff that would really help with Finale. Yep! I find all kinds of things while browsing. I write software

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread John Howell
At 8:41 AM +1100 1/5/06, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: If there was some way to give them a whole lot of samples from different programmes from across the years (preferably of the same output?) that's always interesting I think. Going right back to Professional Composer and the

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM

2006-01-04 Thread Kurt Gnos
Oh yes! I remember the hardware finale help books of the first half of the nineties. The biggest of the tree was very heavy, but I read it through and it was a valiant member of my loo books collection afterwards. I like printed manuals, but when searching something in a hurry, I prefer

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Kurt Gnos
I did my first notation using a graphics program on a C-64. I bought some software for it, and the following Commodore Amiga and Atari, but I cannot remember the names of the (awful) software. Than I used notator on Atari for quite a while. Switching on a PC I began to use Finale (Version 1.6

Re: [Finale] Reverse Piano Reduction (sort of)

2006-01-04 Thread Don Hart
Is it too much to ask of MM to request a *comprehensive* listing of all changes in Finale in any given upgrade? When I presented that question to tech support a while back they told me that there were too many little things and the list would be too big, or something like that. The little things

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Richard Smith
Noteworthy Composer and probably others ... Noteworthy Composer is a big favorite with elementary, choral and keyboard folks. It surely deserves to be included. I would also suggest Lilypond because it's free, open license, and graphic only (like Score). Igor Engraver (if you can find it)

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Richard Yates
If there was some way to give them a whole lot of samples from different programmes from across the years (preferably of the same output?) that's always interesting I think. Going right back to Professional Composer and the like in the end of the 80s. Anyone remember Electronic Art's Music

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Owain Sutton
Richard Smith wrote: I would also suggest Lilypond because it's free, open license, and graphic only (like Score). Igor Engraver (if you can find it) is an interesting program. Lilypond has HUGE potential for the future, but at the moment it can't be realistically described as an

[Finale] Dots on short rests and accidental minutiae

2006-01-04 Thread Jim Gardner
Hello Finale listers. Having just upgraded to FinMac 2006b, I'm going through my occasional ritual of revisiting and tweaking my default files, and-yes-working my way through all the menus of the parts of the program I use, taking note of new features and comparing my defaults with Ross,

Re: [Finale] Dots on short rests and accidental minutiae

2006-01-04 Thread John Howell
At 2:04 PM +1300 1/5/06, Jim Gardner wrote: According to Ross and Read, the augmentation dots on these rests are in the wrong place; they ought to be in the top space. I just checked Composer's Mosaic to see what it does. The dots are in the top space all right, but it might be more

Re: [Finale] Dots on short rests and accidental minutiae

2006-01-04 Thread Jim Gardner
At 20:25 -0500 04/01/2006, John Howell wrote: I just checked Composer's Mosaic to see what it does. The dots are in the top space all right, but it might be more correct to say that they are after the top flag, just as they are for the 16th rests, because the 32nd and smaller rests all have

Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities

2006-01-04 Thread Éric Dussault
You might find this page interesting. You'll see the history of the Score music notation software. The earliest printings made from Score date back to 1971! http://www.scoremus.com/products.htmlLe 06-01-04 à 16:41, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account a écrit :Since my FINALE class for the Musicology

[Finale] Tweaking page layouts to prevent toggling effect.

2006-01-04 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
I work on baroque music, so I typically do data entry first, then clean up after I have done all my proof-reading. Usually I have to use the page layout tool to reduce the size of the systems to get at least 2 on a page. Typically what I do is tweak the sizing a bit, and once I'm happy, I

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
So wait, PDF guides are manuals right? The original wish was a program so easy to use that one need not to read anything to figure it outPhotoshop is not one of those. You really need to read up on it to really make it work well, like one does with Finale. Owain Sutton wrote:

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Of the ones you listed, the only one that I'd agree with is Pagemaker. One can do stuff in pagemaker without reading anything. Photoshop though, I've found myself hunting for a long time to find things. Apple's iLife stuff, and Pages are great examples of programs that require scant reading to

Re: [Finale] Tweaking page layouts to prevent toggling effect.

2006-01-04 Thread Chuck Israels
I generally enter numbers into the page layout tool dialog boxes. You can find them by pulling down the page layout menu and finding edit system margins Then you'll get a dialog box with places to enter distances before, after, above, and below each staff system, and distance between

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:20 PM 1/4/06 -0800, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Sometimes you have to rethink what you are asking for, or what it is called, but I have yet NOT to find what I was looking for in the Finale index/manuals. That's kind of the point. First you have to look in the manual. An obscure item, yes, but a

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
See, I'd say that would be totally stupid. If you are going to TRANSPOSE something, you are, by default, moving them. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=transpose Seriously, we should dumb down things.The last thing I want is a ton of stupid windows asking every little detail of

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:49 PM 1/4/06 -0800, Eric Dannewitz wrote: See, I'd say that would be totally stupid. If you are going to TRANSPOSE something, you are, by default, moving them. Seriously, we should dumb down things.The last thing I want is a ton of stupid windows asking every little detail of what I

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I think the authors have dealt with it perfectly. Kept it like it's meaning. It hasn't taken on a new character at all. Transpose transposes. It's not going to do my laundry. Nor would I expect it to want to KEEP the original notes unless I told it I wanted to. Dennis Bathory-Kitsz

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:19 PM 1/4/06 -0800, you wrote: I think the authors have dealt with it perfectly. Kept it like it's meaning. It hasn't taken on a new character at all. Transpose transposes. It's not going to do my laundry. Nor would I expect it to want to KEEP the original notes unless I told it I wanted

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Now I am confused as to what the original question/problem was. Using transpose to transpose a line and keep the original notes? If you look in the Index, under COPY, and read it, it doesn't do that. It moves stuff from one place to another. However, if you looked under OCTAVES, it says right

Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

2006-01-04 Thread Chuck Israels
On Jan 4, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Now I am confused as to what the original question/problem was. Using transpose to transpose a line and keep the original notes? If you look in the Index, under COPY, and read it, it doesn't do that. It moves stuff from one place to