Re: [Finale] Composite time signature
Thanks Aaron for your enlightenments. About the time signature, it's working for 2/4. But I forgot something in my last mail : I want the time sig 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 5/4 to display as 2, 3, 4, 5 verticaly adjust on the bottom of the staff, like the other time sig set in document option / time sig? Pierre. - Original Message - From: Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu; finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Composite time signature You mean you want the time sig to really be 2/4, but you want it to display just as a centered 2 on the staff? I can think of a couple of different ways: 1. Set the time sig to 2/4, but set it to display as 2/2, abbreviated to the cut time symbol. In Document Options | Time Signatures, near the top where it says Abbreviate Cut Time to, select the numeral 2 instead of the usual cut time symbol. 2. Set the time sig to 2/4, but set it to display as 2/2, *not* abbreviated. In Document Options | Time Signatures, set your units to Spaces, then enter -1 for the Top Symbol displacement and 1 for the Bottom Symbol displacement. This will put the two 2's on top of each other in the middle of the staff. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2008 manual not appearing
Johnson, Mark wrote: Hi Chuck (and SHSU list), Do you happen to have Finale installed on a drive other than your boot drive? If so, this could be causing the problem. For now, you could either install Finale on your boot drive or create a bookmark to Finale 2008/Help Files/Finale.htm in the browser of your choice. This has something to do with the way context help is setup and the engineers are looking into a fix for maintenance. While I'm here I should mention that I've been noting the other concerns regarding the new help system and take them seriously - particularly forcing IE, which was a necessary evil and the result of another context-sensitivity issue. Please note the system can be viewed on the browser of your choice by opening the finale.htm file manually. Our documentation staff was very busy this year implementing the new system. We hope you find it helpful and plan additional improvements in the coming months. Mark, Thank you very much for appearing on this list. I do have to say that the documentation, at least as much as I have worked with it so far, is much improved, and my initial concerns over the use of HTML have proven unfounded. I like the quick access to the different things I might need to cross reference much better than with PDF, and if they can solve the mandatory use of IE, it may well be the best documentation since the printing of the three bound volumes all those many versions ago. Thank you again for stepping forth to help Chuck solve his problem! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Composite time signature
At 02:03 AM 7/12/2007, Pierre Bailleul wrote: About the time signature, it's working for 2/4. But I forgot something in my last mail : I want the time sig 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 5/4 to display as 2, 3, 4, 5 verticaly adjust on the bottom of the staff, like the other time sig set in document option / time sig? It depends whether you are using all of these time sigs in one piece, or just one per piece. If you're just using one time sig in each piece, you can use the first trick I sent earlier. You can still, for example, define the time sig as 3/4, set it to display as cut time, not abbreviated, and choose '3' as the cut time symbol. But I suspect you want to mix all of these in a single piece. In that case, set the Top Symbol displacement to put the top number where you want it, and set the Bottom Symbol displacement to a very large negative number, so that the bottom number is forced off the bottom of the page. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)
On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:03 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: Under the Midi/Audio pull down (2008) you can look at Import midi file options. If it all looks like it makes sense, you might just try setting the minimum duration to eights. It's possible, I suppose, that Finale is keeping a midi value of a sixteenth (followed by a sixteenth rest) for a staccato 16th, but I really don't know. i haven't been back to this yet, and won't before tomorrow so i can't verify this will do it, but if there are also 16ths, how does this affect it? or is min. dur. some kind of MIDI interpretation setting? Right, if there are 16th's else where in the music, this method won't work for you. Also, upon reading this, however, it occurred to me that you want to adjust settings for export since that's what you're wanting to do. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Re:MIDI question (urgent)
shirling neueweise shirling at newmusicnotation.com wrote there are a number of groups of instruments (not always adjacent staves) that i need the MIDI data for (basic pitch info is enough), so i copied the (large) score, deleted measures surrounding the cue and deleted all instruments which are not used in the cue. at a quick glance, the music seems correct, but why would staccato 8ths in the .MUS show up as non staccato 16ths when i open the extracted .SMF in finale? i've tried a number of combinations of retain note durations and soften syncopations and sensitivity level... HP is off as well. i really only need plain vanlila MIDI, pitches and dynamics. -- One possibility is the playback info assigned to staccato dots. The staccato symbol (and indeed any articulation) can be assigned a midi command such as alter the duration or the velocity. In the original file, select the articulation tool, double-click on one of the staccato dots, and change the playback effect to none. Then export the file again. See if that works. C. _ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)
Also remember that we can retranscribe individual sections. Export isn't really a settable factor--Notation programs simply exports what they have in them. If it has a note of 560 EDUs, it exports a note of 560 EDUs. It is up to the interpreting program and its user to decide if 560 EDUs is an eighth note or a staccato quarter. The assumption is that users of notation programs use step-time entry (simple or speedy) and notes will be 100% of value (settable in some cases). So a staccato quarter, where staccato means 60% value, is exported as a note of 615 EDUs in Finale or 288 of 480 ticks in Overture. That's why MIDI import has the variable parameters. It is up to the IMPORT to decide whether 615 EDUs is a long eighth followed by an eighth rest or a staccato quarter. If you checked the box i mentioned last time (minimize rests), such notes would be transcribed as quarters. It failed to register on me as well that EXPORT was under discussion, rather than import. Export is what it is. The interpretation is on the IMPORT end. From: Dick Hauser Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 10:46 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent) On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:03 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: Under the Midi/Audio pull down (2008) you can look at Import midi file options. If it all looks like it makes sense, you might just try setting the minimum duration to eights. It's possible, I suppose, that Finale is keeping a midi value of a sixteenth (followed by a sixteenth rest) for a staccato 16th, but I really don't know. i haven't been back to this yet, and won't before tomorrow so i can't verify this will do it, but if there are also 16ths, how does this affect it? or is min. dur. some kind of MIDI interpretation setting? Right, if there are 16th's else where in the music, this method won't work for you. Also, upon reading this, however, it occurred to me that you want to adjust settings for export since that's what you're wanting to do. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)
shirling neueweise / 2007/07/11 / 02:42 PM wrote: why would staccato 8ths in the .MUS show up as non staccato 16ths when i open the extracted .SMF in finale? I am sorta confused. The studio you are sending the file doesn't have Finale so what is the goal? MIDI data only contain how long is the sound duration. It can't contain notation information. Notation is up to the interpreter. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI question (urgent)
A-NO-NE Music wrote: shirling neueweise / 2007/07/11 / 02:42 PM wrote: why would staccato 8ths in the .MUS show up as non staccato 16ths when i open the extracted .SMF in finale? I am sorta confused. The studio you are sending the file doesn't have Finale so what is the goal? MIDI data only contain how long is the sound duration. It can't contain notation information. Notation is up to the interpreter. Hiro's correct -- a staccato 8th is, in one very common interpretation, a 16th note with a 16th rest. Re-importing that data into Finale will show up as sixteenth note/rest combination, but that isn't an issue since the studio just wants the midi file. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Next: output to a graphics program?
Since it looks like PM2007 won't be able to handle text formatting the way I want, is there an easy way to output a graphics file format that can be recognized by a graphics program like Photoshop? If I can get a JPEG, TIFF, etc. image file from PM2007, then I can do all the fine text formatting exactly the way I want it, instead of the way the authors think it has to be done. Any suggestions you have will be appreciated, Frank ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Text, title and lyric fonts
I'm a new user and have a couple of questions, but I'll be breaking them down by subject in the Subject lines of the posts. First, are there really only three fonts that can be changed and no way to resize and rearrange the Title text? I got PrintMusic 2007 because I hoped it would be the *one* program that would output fully-formatted scores exactly as I want them, but I don't see any way to change the title fonts or to make sub-titles in smaller sizes than the main title. I've looked in the documentation and searched for the key words to no avail. Previously, I've used NoteWorthyComposer, Atlantis Word Processor and Photoshop to make all the adjustments I want on a score. That got old fast, so I sprung for the money for PM2007 since it claims to favor score production over playback, but I'm beginning to think I have the same problems. The direct inserting of lyrics is a big help, that's what killed me in NWC, but it still looks like I have to output the PM2007 file to Photoshop somehow in order to do real text placement, which leads to my second post. . . . . Thanks for any info, Frank ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2k8 Selection Tool Behavior
Hi All, If a measure remains selected with the Selection Tool, you cannot get the Measure Tool to work (maybe others too, I don't know) - to force a measure number, for instance, until you have clicked out of the highlighted measure. In other words, the Selection tool remains stuck there, and the Measure tool is not selected, even if you have highlighted it. The Selection Tool is not released until the measure you had selected with it is un-highlighted. Don't know if this qualifies as a bug, but it is a little annoying. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Stems up
Why does a hidden rest in layer 2 no longer force the stems in layer 1 go go up? I'd swear they did before. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Stem direction?
I also can't find anything about changing stem direction. I have a vocal part that splits the soprano and the chords must show stems as up and down, but I can't find anything that refers to stem direction settings. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Text, title and lyric fonts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a new user and have a couple of questions, but I'll be breaking them down by subject in the Subject lines of the posts. First, are there really only three fonts that can be changed and no way to resize and rearrange the Title text? I got PrintMusic 2007 because I hoped it would be the *one* program that would output fully-formatted scores exactly as I want them, but I don't see any way to change the title fonts or to make sub-titles in smaller sizes than the main title. I've looked in the documentation and searched for the key words to no avail. Previously, I've used NoteWorthyComposer, Atlantis Word Processor and Photoshop to make all the adjustments I want on a score. That got old fast, so I sprung for the money for PM2007 since it claims to favor score production over playback, but I'm beginning to think I have the same problems. The direct inserting of lyrics is a big help, that's what killed me in NWC, but it still looks like I have to output the PM2007 file to Photoshop somehow in order to do real text placement, which leads to my second post. . . . . I don't work with PM, but in Finale you can change the text font of any text block you want. What you may have to do is simply not use the File Info dialog to enter the title, but delete that text block and create your own with your own font. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Next: output to a graphics program?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since it looks like PM2007 won't be able to handle text formatting the way I want, is there an easy way to output a graphics file format that can be recognized by a graphics program like Photoshop? If I can get a JPEG, TIFF, etc. image file from PM2007, then I can do all the fine text formatting exactly the way I want it, instead of the way the authors think it has to be done. Any suggestions you have will be appreciated, A Screen capture utility comes to mind -- I don't believe that PM has the ability to output graphics. Or you could ask a kind soul who has the full Finale to open your file and turn it into graphics (TIF or EPS). Or you could print to a PDF file and then use a PDF utility to extract the pages as graphics. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Stem direction?
In 2008, DOCUMENT OPTIONSLAYERS is where you need to look. Set the options as you want them. Jim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 15:52 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Stem direction? I also can't find anything about changing stem direction. I have a vocal part that splits the soprano and the chords must show stems as up and down, but I can't find anything that refers to stem direction settings. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 Selection Tool Behavior
Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, If a measure remains selected with the Selection Tool, you cannot get the Measure Tool to work (maybe others too, I don't know) - to force a measure number, for instance, until you have clicked out of the highlighted measure. In other words, the Selection tool remains stuck there, and the Measure tool is not selected, even if you have highlighted it. The Selection Tool is not released until the measure you had selected with it is un-highlighted. Don't know if this qualifies as a bug, but it is a little annoying. This might be a PC/Mac thing -- if I understand your problem correctly, it works as it should in my installation of FinWin2k8. I used the selection tool, highlighted a measure, then clicked on the Measure Tool, the Measure menu showed up and I chose Show Measure Number and it appeared in the measure I selected. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Text, title and lyric fonts
At 11:25 AM -0700 7/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a new user and have a couple of questions, but I'll be breaking them down by subject in the Subject lines of the posts. First, are there really only three fonts that can be changed and no way to resize and rearrange the Title text? I got PrintMusic 2007 because I hoped it would be the *one* program that would output fully-formatted scores exactly as I want them, but I don't see any way to change the title fonts or to make sub-titles in smaller sizes than the main title. I've looked in the documentation and searched for the key words to no avail. Previously, I've used NoteWorthyComposer, Atlantis Word Processor and Photoshop to make all the adjustments I want on a score. That got old fast, so I sprung for the money for PM2007 since it claims to favor score production over playback, but I'm beginning to think I have the same problems. The direct inserting of lyrics is a big help, that's what killed me in NWC, but it still looks like I have to output the PM2007 file to Photoshop somehow in order to do real text placement, which leads to my second post. . . . . Thanks for any info, Frank I don't know anyone here who uses PrintMusic. We all have Finale of one version or another. All fonts are available to us. Is that really a PrintMusic limitation? It seems that your solution is overkill for a simple problem. Check out the Finale demos and see if this isn't the program you really need. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stem direction?
I also can't find anything about changing stem direction. I have a vocal part that splits the soprano and the chords must show stems as up and down, but I can't find anything that refers to stem direction settings. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Go into speedy entry, put the cursor on your stem, and enter an L to flip it. Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 Selection Tool Behavior
At 04:10 PM 7/12/2007, dhbailey wrote: I used the selection tool, highlighted a measure, then clicked on the Measure Tool, the Measure menu showed up and I chose Show Measure Number and it appeared in the measure I selected. However, if you try to Ctrl-Click the currently selected measure after you have switched to the Measure tool, the measure number does not appear. You need to first deselect the measure, and then Ctrl-Click it. I don't think this is a bug; it's related to the tool consolidation that has taken place in Fin08. Copy and Paste are no longer constrained to the Mass Edit tool (or the new Selection tool) -- you can copy and paste in any tool which supports measure selection (like the Measure and Staff tools). So if you have a measure selected in any of those tools and Ctrl-Click on that measure, Finale now interprets that as a request to paste the contents of that measure into the same measure, rather than as a request to show the measure number. If you select a measure in the Measure tool and Ctrl-Click on a different measure, you'll see what I mean -- the contents of the first are pasted into the second. Ctrl-Click to show a measure number will only work if you're in the Measure tool and do not have a measure selected. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems up
Barbara Touburg wrote: Why does a hidden rest in layer 2 no longer force the stems in layer 1 go go up? I'd swear they did before. That's the behavior I have in Fin2K7. In Document Options / Layers is a user-selectable option Ignore Layers Containing Only Hidden Notes and another option Ignore Hidden Layers The default document comes with the first one checked (I gather that the program looks at rests as being the same as notes in this case.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stems up
Thanks, I found it and unchecked it. dhbailey wrote: That's the behavior I have in Fin2K7. In Document Options / Layers is a user-selectable option Ignore Layers Containing Only Hidden Notes and another option Ignore Hidden Layers The default document comes with the first one checked (I gather that the program looks at rests as being the same as notes in this case.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 Selection Tool Behavior
Hi Aaron, My experience exactly, and no, not a bug, just different behavior resulting from the redesign of the tools, as you describe. Nevertheless, thanks for the confirmation. Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:10 PM 7/12/2007, dhbailey wrote: I used the selection tool, highlighted a measure, then clicked on the Measure Tool, the Measure menu showed up and I chose Show Measure Number and it appeared in the measure I selected. However, if you try to Ctrl-Click the currently selected measure after you have switched to the Measure tool, the measure number does not appear. You need to first deselect the measure, and then Ctrl-Click it. I don't think this is a bug; it's related to the tool consolidation that has taken place in Fin08. Copy and Paste are no longer constrained to the Mass Edit tool (or the new Selection tool) -- you can copy and paste in any tool which supports measure selection (like the Measure and Staff tools). So if you have a measure selected in any of those tools and Ctrl- Click on that measure, Finale now interprets that as a request to paste the contents of that measure into the same measure, rather than as a request to show the measure number. If you select a measure in the Measure tool and Ctrl-Click on a different measure, you'll see what I mean -- the contents of the first are pasted into the second. Ctrl-Click to show a measure number will only work if you're in the Measure tool and do not have a measure selected. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 Selection Tool Behavior
At 05:03 PM 7/12/2007, Chuck Israels wrote: My experience exactly, and no, not a bug, just different behavior resulting from the redesign of the tools, as you describe. Yes, but I agree with you that it's not good behavior, and even with tool consolidation there's no reason the old behavior couldn't still be there. Pasting a measure onto itself doesn't make any sense, so Finale should be able to pick up on that and show the measure number instead. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Text, title and lyric fonts
Randolph, The full name of my program is Finale PrintMusic 2007 and I understood that did essentially the same thing that the version known as Finale does, but is minimized for primarily making paper copies as opposed to playback. Finale is way too expensive for me, I've only got this one project to transcribe a friend's choral music and I'll never use it again. Thanks for your reply, Frank ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Next: output to a graphics program?
Thanks, David, Screen capture is much too low quality for me, I'm preparing near-publication quality paper copies for use by a chorus. Print to PDF is a possibility, but, of course, adds another step or two and that defeats one of my purposes in buying PM2007. The program solves one problem, lyrics copy-editing and correcting, but leaves the second major problem, getting full control of the output appearance that seems only available in graphics editors. Frank ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Stem direction?
Thanks for the replies. I did finally find the info in the QuickRef book, but a search of the PDF help doc showed nothing about stems and I find the tutorial method in the booklet to be very unhelpful: I don't work the way the author works, I don't have the same needs as he/she when I transcribe my manuscripts and plowing through a tutorial when all I want to know is what happens when I click something is not a reasonable way for me to learn. I guess a big part of the problem is the unintuitive way things work in PM2007 and I've learned any number of other programs with little or no reference to the docs, including very big and complex programs like Photoshop. This is the first time I've ever been stymied by basic operations. But, thank you so much for the ability to type the lyrics right into the score - it will save me no end of problems copy editing and fixing mistakes. Frank ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 Selection Tool Behavior
And now that I realize what you're trying to do, it's the same on my PC. David H. Bailey Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Aaron, My experience exactly, and no, not a bug, just different behavior resulting from the redesign of the tools, as you describe. Nevertheless, thanks for the confirmation. Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:10 PM 7/12/2007, dhbailey wrote: I used the selection tool, highlighted a measure, then clicked on the Measure Tool, the Measure menu showed up and I chose Show Measure Number and it appeared in the measure I selected. However, if you try to Ctrl-Click the currently selected measure after you have switched to the Measure tool, the measure number does not appear. You need to first deselect the measure, and then Ctrl-Click it. I don't think this is a bug; it's related to the tool consolidation that has taken place in Fin08. Copy and Paste are no longer constrained to the Mass Edit tool (or the new Selection tool) -- you can copy and paste in any tool which supports measure selection (like the Measure and Staff tools). So if you have a measure selected in any of those tools and Ctrl-Click on that measure, Finale now interprets that as a request to paste the contents of that measure into the same measure, rather than as a request to show the measure number. If you select a measure in the Measure tool and Ctrl-Click on a different measure, you'll see what I mean -- the contents of the first are pasted into the second. Ctrl-Click to show a measure number will only work if you're in the Measure tool and do not have a measure selected. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? I guess there will be a period of this kind of thing, but this is not the only anomaly I've found in working today. There has been strange page layout behavior in linked part management where the defined parameters in the management dialog are ignored when the parts are created. It's easy enough to resolve, and the file originated in 2005, so that may have made a contribution, but I am suspicious - casting a wary eye. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Thanks Jim - and Randolph. This is not consistent behavior, some files have been OK - which makes me that it's not so simple as switching FAN file folders. I'll report in tomorrow when I have heard from MM support. I hope they can duplicate the behavior. Jim, maybe it would be a good idea for you to report to them as well, and send them the file. Thanks again, Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck: I can verify your findings...I got a 2007 file from a composer today opened it in 2008 with the same result. Jim W. From: Randolph Peters Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 21:41 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7 Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
I'll report it, but the composer has requested that I not send the file...perhaps I can send a snippet. Jim From: Chuck Israels Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 21:57 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7 Thanks Jim - and Randolph. This is not consistent behavior, some files have been OK - which makes me that it's not so simple as switching FAN file folders. I'll report in tomorrow when I have heard from MM support. I hope they can duplicate the behavior. Jim, maybe it would be a good idea for you to report to them as well, and send them the file. Thanks again, Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck: I can verify your findings...I got a 2007 file from a composer today opened it in 2008 with the same result. Jim W. From: Randolph Peters Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 21:41 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7 Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Chuck: I can verify your findings...I got a 2007 file from a composer today opened it in 2008 with the same result. Jim W. From: Randolph Peters Sent: Thu 12-Jul-07 21:41 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7 Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? Did you try replacing (if only temporarily) the FAN files in Finale 2008 with your 2007 ones? It is possible the settings have been changed. This is just a guess, not a proven solution. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
I should also add this as a reminder to anyone upgrading to Finale 2008. Don't reuse the preference files from previous versions of Finale by renaming them and putting them in the new Finale 2008 folder. I used to do this as a matter of course to save time, but the conversion from 2006 to 2007 had some weird anomalies when you did that. I can only assume that it wouldn't be good practice to reuse them anymore. -Randolph ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] a hopeful sign
Because the Finale 2008 upgrade didn't fix what many thought were important bugs, a lot of people wrote complaints to MakeMusic. I just got a response back from Quality Assurance regarding the enharmonic flipping bug. It appears that MM is taking it seriously and is working on it. At least that is how I read this: OT37068: When inside the Speedy Frame, necessary accidentals can disappear or unnecessary accidentals (naturals) can be forced to appear with certain notes in staves with certain Chromatic transpositions. It all depends on if the note would have an accidental in the key sig. I'd like to make sure there isn't another issue lurking that we're overlooking because we think we've got it covered with this one. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Hi Chuck, You must remember to always copy your FAN files for any custom fonts you use to your Fin2008 FAN folder. Hold down option when dragging to make a copy instead of moving (so that your old FAN files will remain in place.) Also, don't overwrite any of the MM-supplied FAN files that come with Fin2008. Only copy the FAN files for third-party fonts. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Jul 2007, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? I guess there will be a period of this kind of thing, but this is not the only anomaly I've found in working today. There has been strange page layout behavior in linked part management where the defined parameters in the management dialog are ignored when the parts are created. It's easy enough to resolve, and the file originated in 2005, so that may have made a contribution, but I am suspicious - casting a wary eye. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a hopeful sign
The problem definitely goes much deeper, and if the description below is supposed to be comprehensive, then they don't have it remotely covered with this one. Chris Smith seems like the go-to guy on this bug -- perhaps Randolph would let Chris know which CS person he was talking to and the two of them can get in touch. I'm glad MM is taking this bug seriously, but it seems like they don't yet know how serious it truly is. This is unfortunate, because I know Chris has sent in detailed reports on the 9-flip bug. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Jul 2007, at 9:55 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: Because the Finale 2008 upgrade didn't fix what many thought were important bugs, a lot of people wrote complaints to MakeMusic. I just got a response back from Quality Assurance regarding the enharmonic flipping bug. It appears that MM is taking it seriously and is working on it. At least that is how I read this: OT37068: When inside the Speedy Frame, necessary accidentals can disappear or unnecessary accidentals (naturals) can be forced to appear with certain notes in staves with certain Chromatic transpositions. It all depends on if the note would have an accidental in the key sig. I'd like to make sure there isn't another issue lurking that we're overlooking because we think we've got it covered with this one. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Aha, Darcy was right. (Why am I not surprised?) I copied in FAN files for the Bill Duncan fonts, and everything fell into place. What had confused me was the fact that there were normal Maestro expressions that were also displaced. They are now appearing correctly (along with the BD fonts). Hard to wrap my head around that. Anyway, that seems to be the solution. Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, You must remember to always copy your FAN files for any custom fonts you use to your Fin2008 FAN folder. Hold down option when dragging to make a copy instead of moving (so that your old FAN files will remain in place.) Also, don't overwrite any of the MM-supplied FAN files that come with Fin2008. Only copy the FAN files for third-party fonts. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Jul 2007, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? I guess there will be a period of this kind of thing, but this is not the only anomaly I've found in working today. There has been strange page layout behavior in linked part management where the defined parameters in the management dialog are ignored when the parts are created. It's easy enough to resolve, and the file originated in 2005, so that may have made a contribution, but I am suspicious - casting a wary eye. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2k8 file conversion from 2K7
Hi Darcy, This affects Maestro expressions too, so I don't know - but I'll do what you suggest, because it makes perfect sense for the BD fonts. BTW, I'll be in NY from the 22nd to the 28th - playing at Kitano on the 25th - with Don Friedman and Joe Hunt, and then recording with them in NJ on the 26th. I'll be staying at Dave Berger's apt on 106th and B'way, and I'll have my cell phone. Be glad to hear from you and to get together if you will have any time during those days. Fond regards, Chuck On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, You must remember to always copy your FAN files for any custom fonts you use to your Fin2008 FAN folder. Hold down option when dragging to make a copy instead of moving (so that your old FAN files will remain in place.) Also, don't overwrite any of the MM-supplied FAN files that come with Fin2008. Only copy the FAN files for third-party fonts. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Jul 2007, at 6:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: A 2k7 doc opened in 2k8 has vertically displaced expressions and accents - fairly extreme (Baselines are correct.) Deleting and replacing them makes no change. I await response from MM (I sent the file). Ideas? FAN corruption? I guess there will be a period of this kind of thing, but this is not the only anomaly I've found in working today. There has been strange page layout behavior in linked part management where the defined parameters in the management dialog are ignored when the parts are created. It's easy enough to resolve, and the file originated in 2005, so that may have made a contribution, but I am suspicious - casting a wary eye. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
