Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
After a software product becomes mature, control passes from engineers to managers and marketers. This happens to every software I've ever worked with, including my own. It will happen to Dorico too, eventually. Yeah, the dongle is a deal breaker for me. On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:37 PM Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Yes, I would agree too. TGTools and other plugins make Finale perfectly > fine for doing music. > > And it doesn’t require some stupid dongle to run on multiple computer. > > > > On Jan 31, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Robert Patterson < > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > > > > It seems as though the point of my plugin post is being lost. The point > was > > that with 3rd-party plugins you can design a work flow in Finale that is > > highly efficient. That Dorico can achieve comparable efficiency out of > the > > box is to its credit, but my point is that it is quite possible to > achieve > > a similar level of efficiency with Finale. Doing so requires thought, > > planning and, above all, 3rd-party plugins. > > > > What you absolutely *can't* do in Finale is multi-turn slurs like Dorico > > apparently has. And that is one (among many) failures of Coda > > Music/MakeMusic to show leadership. They could have implemented > multi-turn > > slurs 15 years ago and been an industry first mover. I know because I > > suggested it then and at regular intervals since. This is but one > example. > > > > Nevertheless I would also dispute that the current dev staff at Makemusic > > lacks commitment or talent. On the contrary, my dealings with them > reveal a > > talented staff that knows the code base and is committed to improving it. > > If there are leadership problems at Makemusic, they are higher up than > the > > developer staff I deal with. > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
Yes, I would agree too. TGTools and other plugins make Finale perfectly fine for doing music. And it doesn’t require some stupid dongle to run on multiple computer. > On Jan 31, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > It seems as though the point of my plugin post is being lost. The point was > that with 3rd-party plugins you can design a work flow in Finale that is > highly efficient. That Dorico can achieve comparable efficiency out of the > box is to its credit, but my point is that it is quite possible to achieve > a similar level of efficiency with Finale. Doing so requires thought, > planning and, above all, 3rd-party plugins. > > What you absolutely *can't* do in Finale is multi-turn slurs like Dorico > apparently has. And that is one (among many) failures of Coda > Music/MakeMusic to show leadership. They could have implemented multi-turn > slurs 15 years ago and been an industry first mover. I know because I > suggested it then and at regular intervals since. This is but one example. > > Nevertheless I would also dispute that the current dev staff at Makemusic > lacks commitment or talent. On the contrary, my dealings with them reveal a > talented staff that knows the code base and is committed to improving it. > If there are leadership problems at Makemusic, they are higher up than the > developer staff I deal with. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
On 1/31/2019 4:37 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: [snip]> Nevertheless I would also dispute that the current dev staff at Makemusic lacks commitment or talent. On the contrary, my dealings with them reveal a talented staff that knows the code base and is committed to improving it. If there are leadership problems at Makemusic, they are higher up than the developer staff I deal with. [snip] I have never doubted the ability or the dedication of the development staff that has worked on Finale over the years. I have huge doubts about the commitment to innovation and improvement on the parts of the higher-ups at each of the corporate layovers that Finale has had to endure over the years. But I have always had great respect for the developers themselves -- however they can only do what the management will allow them to do, and therein lies the problem with Finale dropping from market leader to market follower. -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
On Thu, January 31, 2019 4:37 pm, Robert Patterson wrote: > What you absolutely *can't* do in Finale is multi-turn slurs like Dorico > apparently has. Oh, I so want these still. The gateway to flat slurs. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
It seems as though the point of my plugin post is being lost. The point was that with 3rd-party plugins you can design a work flow in Finale that is highly efficient. That Dorico can achieve comparable efficiency out of the box is to its credit, but my point is that it is quite possible to achieve a similar level of efficiency with Finale. Doing so requires thought, planning and, above all, 3rd-party plugins. What you absolutely *can't* do in Finale is multi-turn slurs like Dorico apparently has. And that is one (among many) failures of Coda Music/MakeMusic to show leadership. They could have implemented multi-turn slurs 15 years ago and been an industry first mover. I know because I suggested it then and at regular intervals since. This is but one example. Nevertheless I would also dispute that the current dev staff at Makemusic lacks commitment or talent. On the contrary, my dealings with them reveal a talented staff that knows the code base and is committed to improving it. If there are leadership problems at Makemusic, they are higher up than the developer staff I deal with. On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 10:12 AM Steve Parker wrote: > Here are my most used plugins (JW and Patterson): > > Copy Part Layout - native in Dorico > Instrument Change - native in Dorico > Kitchen Department - native in Dorico > Start New Piece - native in Dorico > Yada Yada Tremelo - easily achieved and customised in Dorico > Settings Scrapbook - I only used this to overcome a terrible old bug, not > needed in Dorico > > Percussion goes way beyond any other software in that you can have, for > example, a kit in the score but split to separate staves in the parts. You > can easily move an instrument with its music to another player. > Using Dorico’s ‘flows’, you can have multiple new pieces with > automatically shown and completely formatable and customisable title/header > info, set per layout to start on a new page or to flow on from the previous > page - with different automatic titling options for each. > > As to the relevance of this discussion, this is not a MakeMusic owned > group. Most of us (I’m sure) have to be able to at least work in Finale and > Sibelius. I sometimes have to prepare scores in Cubase, Logic and DP. > Comparing software across platforms is a very useful thing, especially > Jari’s and Robert’s plugins - without which Finale would be a horror. If > MakeMusic have any sense they will be playing with Dorico to see where they > need to go. > > Steve P. > > > On 31 Jan 2019, at 13:42, David H. Bailey > wrote: > > > > Craig makes some very important points. Added to the fact that Finale > is basically frozen in time is it's horrible corporate history, having been > sold from company to company because nobody has any idea what to do with > it. There is a very real fear that someday whichever company owns Finale > at that point might try to sell it, find no buyers and then just let it die > forever, leaving all Finale users high and dry and in need of other > notation software to move to. > > > > One additional point I would make is that like all human discussion > groups, the discussion moves in whatever direction those who are doing the > discussing move it. If someone wants to get it back more focused on > Finale, then it's important that they raise a question or make a statement > for others to discuss. > > > > This group is not lead by designated discussion leaders -- we're all > responsible for the discussions. > > > > So ask a finale related question and see where the discussion goes. > > > > David H. Bailey > > > > > > > > On 1/31/2019 8:35 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> If Finale were doing any significant developments to their product I'm > sure we would be happy to talk about that. It is the fact that Finale is > basically frozen in time that causes people to think about what other > options are available and practical. > >> In the case of this thread, the main question seems to be how difficult > it would be to make a move to Dorico if a person uses the various FInale > plug-ins very heavily. If this doesn't interest you, that's OK, but it > seems to be a rather important question for those who depend on the > plug-ins. > >> Those Finale plug-ins don't always have a direct counterpart in Dorico. > That's why it is necessary to talk in some depth about how Dorico operates. > >> On 1/31/2019 3:14 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> It seems to me that this is 'Finale mailing list', not '... mailing > list'. > >>> > >>> Thank you in advance for your kind attention, > >>> > >>> all best, > >>> > >>> Paolo A. Rismondo > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> ___ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > >
Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
Here are my most used plugins (JW and Patterson): Copy Part Layout - native in Dorico Instrument Change - native in Dorico Kitchen Department - native in Dorico Start New Piece - native in Dorico Yada Yada Tremelo - easily achieved and customised in Dorico Settings Scrapbook - I only used this to overcome a terrible old bug, not needed in Dorico Percussion goes way beyond any other software in that you can have, for example, a kit in the score but split to separate staves in the parts. You can easily move an instrument with its music to another player. Using Dorico’s ‘flows’, you can have multiple new pieces with automatically shown and completely formatable and customisable title/header info, set per layout to start on a new page or to flow on from the previous page - with different automatic titling options for each. As to the relevance of this discussion, this is not a MakeMusic owned group. Most of us (I’m sure) have to be able to at least work in Finale and Sibelius. I sometimes have to prepare scores in Cubase, Logic and DP. Comparing software across platforms is a very useful thing, especially Jari’s and Robert’s plugins - without which Finale would be a horror. If MakeMusic have any sense they will be playing with Dorico to see where they need to go. Steve P. > On 31 Jan 2019, at 13:42, David H. Bailey wrote: > > Craig makes some very important points. Added to the fact that Finale is > basically frozen in time is it's horrible corporate history, having been sold > from company to company because nobody has any idea what to do with it. > There is a very real fear that someday whichever company owns Finale at that > point might try to sell it, find no buyers and then just let it die forever, > leaving all Finale users high and dry and in need of other notation software > to move to. > > One additional point I would make is that like all human discussion groups, > the discussion moves in whatever direction those who are doing the discussing > move it. If someone wants to get it back more focused on Finale, then it's > important that they raise a question or make a statement for others to > discuss. > > This group is not lead by designated discussion leaders -- we're all > responsible for the discussions. > > So ask a finale related question and see where the discussion goes. > > David H. Bailey > > > > On 1/31/2019 8:35 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> If Finale were doing any significant developments to their product I'm sure >> we would be happy to talk about that. It is the fact that Finale is >> basically frozen in time that causes people to think about what other >> options are available and practical. >> In the case of this thread, the main question seems to be how difficult it >> would be to make a move to Dorico if a person uses the various FInale >> plug-ins very heavily. If this doesn't interest you, that's OK, but it seems >> to be a rather important question for those who depend on the plug-ins. >> Those Finale plug-ins don't always have a direct counterpart in Dorico. >> That's why it is necessary to talk in some depth about how Dorico operates. >> On 1/31/2019 3:14 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> It seems to me that this is 'Finale mailing list', not '... mailing list'. >>> >>> Thank you in advance for your kind attention, >>> >>> all best, >>> >>> Paolo A. Rismondo >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > -- > * > David H. Bailey > dhbaile...@comcast.net > http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Dorico test importing Finale XML
AFAIK, it's the REVERSE direction that's the problem for Dorico? Once the data is in Dorico, you'll loose most of it trying to get it elsewhere. Best regards, Jari Williamsson On 2019-01-29 04:27, Craig Parmerlee wrote: OK, here are the results Score: https://app.box.com/s/n7pi05swx2hve4wk71znvg409geju45b Parts: https://app.box.com/s/slp2py2olo3404gcpnlq9i30w3m4h0g9 I emphasize I did ZERO EDITING. All I did was: 1) Open Dorico 2) Import your XML file 3) Print score 4) Print parts That all took about i minute. I chose to use Dorico's internal PDF creator which is really very nice and extremely fast. But one shortcoming is that it creates a separate PDF for each part, so I also did 5) Opened PdfSAM Visual to merge all the parts into one file. That took about 3 minutes -- longer than it took to create the parts in Dorico. The layouts aren't perfect. I'd certainly edit them a little. But a key point is that in almost every case, the parts are usable without any editing if you are in a big rush to get something out for rehearsal. On 1/28/2019 4:21 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: Hi Craig, thanks for volunteering to do a little test. Here is an orchestra job that has a bit of everything, yet not long. Not sure what will translate, maybe there is too much information in this XML file. Let me know if I should prepare it differently to get a better result (for test purposes). But I’m really anxious to see how little one needs to touch to get a good result. Thanks again, Thomas PS - I took out title and credits and copyright to be on the safe side. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
Craig makes some very important points. Added to the fact that Finale is basically frozen in time is it's horrible corporate history, having been sold from company to company because nobody has any idea what to do with it. There is a very real fear that someday whichever company owns Finale at that point might try to sell it, find no buyers and then just let it die forever, leaving all Finale users high and dry and in need of other notation software to move to. One additional point I would make is that like all human discussion groups, the discussion moves in whatever direction those who are doing the discussing move it. If someone wants to get it back more focused on Finale, then it's important that they raise a question or make a statement for others to discuss. This group is not lead by designated discussion leaders -- we're all responsible for the discussions. So ask a finale related question and see where the discussion goes. David H. Bailey On 1/31/2019 8:35 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: If Finale were doing any significant developments to their product I'm sure we would be happy to talk about that. It is the fact that Finale is basically frozen in time that causes people to think about what other options are available and practical. In the case of this thread, the main question seems to be how difficult it would be to make a move to Dorico if a person uses the various FInale plug-ins very heavily. If this doesn't interest you, that's OK, but it seems to be a rather important question for those who depend on the plug-ins. Those Finale plug-ins don't always have a direct counterpart in Dorico. That's why it is necessary to talk in some depth about how Dorico operates. On 1/31/2019 3:14 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: Hi all, It seems to me that this is 'Finale mailing list', not '... mailing list'. Thank you in advance for your kind attention, all best, Paolo A. Rismondo --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
If Finale were doing any significant developments to their product I'm sure we would be happy to talk about that. It is the fact that Finale is basically frozen in time that causes people to think about what other options are available and practical. In the case of this thread, the main question seems to be how difficult it would be to make a move to Dorico if a person uses the various FInale plug-ins very heavily. If this doesn't interest you, that's OK, but it seems to be a rather important question for those who depend on the plug-ins. Those Finale plug-ins don't always have a direct counterpart in Dorico. That's why it is necessary to talk in some depth about how Dorico operates. On 1/31/2019 3:14 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: Hi all, It seems to me that this is 'Finale mailing list', not '... mailing list'. Thank you in advance for your kind attention, all best, Paolo A. Rismondo --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Dorico test importing Finale XML
Thanks, Geraldo.
I will keep that in mind. My only concern is that if this is system
tempo or tempo markings (i.e. text that will appear for all players), it
has to be on the downbeat or else it will break up multi-measure rests.
On 1/30/2019 1:35 PM, Gerardo Delgado wrote:
I can move the elements manually to relieve the stacking,
but the staffs remain spaced apart. They don't adjust themselves after
I relieve the stacking. So I may have to adjust some of the staff
spacing manually.
Hi Craig.
I am working in some projects with Dorico and in cases like that I move the
texts ("Trumpet solo" o "legato") in Write Mode in order to assign them to
other elements (for instance, a neighbour note or rest). It makes the
staves to respace automatically. Then, in Engraving Mode, I move the text
to the proper place. Generally, no further manual staff spacing is required.
Kind regards.
Gerardo Delgado
Musician, Music Editor, Conductor
Buenos Aires, Argentina
El mié., 30 ene. 2019 a las 3:01, Craig Parmerlee ()
escribió:
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Re: [Finale] music softwares and 'politics'
Hi, I wrote: 'I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (_or maybe, other _p_eople_) to do things ready for them'. It is true, music software market 'is a very tiny niche of a niche market and nowhere near to affecting the entire population'. When I compared this broad trend to 'something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago' it was by 'similitude', obviously, not by 'identity'. But, just now people is affected, in their decisions or even ideas and opinions, by computers (they rarely remember that behind every computers there is always a man, and often a company); and the request for 'ready made' solutions is increasing in every field, it seems to me. Btw: It don't seems to me that all of the softwares you quoted don't 'forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible'. 'Finale' surely does, maybe 'Sibelius' (I never used it to its full potential); others you mentioned... I don't think so. A revelatory sign is the possibilty of using different music fonts - not only the one(s) supplied by the producer of the software - in the same score, or project. all best, Paolo Il 28/01/2019 21:37, David H. Bailey ha scritto: Hi Paolo, You make good points. In an ideal world, the software would create beautiful engraved scores and parts with very little effort, but for those who want more control it would also allow them to do what they want. After all, the whole purpose of computers in the first place was to do quickly and easily what would take a human many more hours to do and not so easily. Imagine getting to the end of a 30-part score, all written beautifully by hand, only to find that 30 notes needed to be changed in every part, necessitating the complete rewriting of many pages of the score. Computers were designed to remove that sort of labor. Using notation software, which in actuality is a very tiny niche of a niche market and nowhere near to affecting the entire population is quite different from the political manifestations you mention when a country's leader tries to think for the entire population. One of the great things about good notation software such as Finale, Sibelius, Dorico, increasingly MuseScore, Notion, Forte, is the amount of control that each software allows the user to exercise. None of the programs forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible. The more expensive programs Finale, Sibelius and Dorico allow more control over more items so the users indeed have the ability to think and sweat all they want over all the little details that only a music engraver would care about but which would not be noticed by most performing musicians. And the best thing in my opinion about the notation software marketplace is that nobody is forced to use any particular software unless they have a demanding client who insists on one over the others. So the "political" comparison doesn't Really hold up, again in my opinion. Thanks for raising the issue, David H. Bailey On 1/28/2019 9:49 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: Hi, A 'political' (maybe) consideration about music softwares other than /Finale /- that allow me not to mention them explicitly. I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (or maybe, other people) to do things ready for them. That's an interesting phenomenon, not at all restricted to 'music softwares'; it's simpler, easier, quicker etc.; you have not even to think with your head. Maybe it come close to something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago (I mean, a single person that think, do, etc. for a whole nation). I continue to prefer that the software do what I want, even if I had to find myself alone. Paolo A. Rismondo --- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Dorico test importing Finale XML
> I can move the elements manually to relieve the stacking,
but the staffs remain spaced apart. They don't adjust themselves after
I relieve the stacking. So I may have to adjust some of the staff
spacing manually.
Hi Craig.
I am working in some projects with Dorico and in cases like that I move the
texts ("Trumpet solo" o "legato") in Write Mode in order to assign them to
other elements (for instance, a neighbour note or rest). It makes the
staves to respace automatically. Then, in Engraving Mode, I move the text
to the proper place. Generally, no further manual staff spacing is required.
Kind regards.
Gerardo Delgado
Musician, Music Editor, Conductor
Buenos Aires, Argentina
El mié., 30 ene. 2019 a las 3:01, Craig Parmerlee ()
escribió:
> It seems that Dorico did not include some (maybe all) text expressions
> in its import. When I ran the XML into Finale, the text expressions
> show but mostly collide with other elements. Dorico doesn't really have
> "text expressions" in the same sense that Finale uses them. With
> Dorico, you have regular text (single staff) and system text (applies to
> all staves). Dorico also has tempo markings and playing techniques.
>
> The things people put into text expressions in Finale would go either
> into regular text , tempo markings or playing techniques with Dorico,
> and evidently there is no such conversion in the XML importer. But had
> those elements been brought in through the import, they would not have
> collided. By default, nothing collides. You can forcibly make elements
> collide by manually placing them in ENGRAVE mode, or you can disable the
> "avoid collisions" property. I have heard of some cases where this
> doesn't perfectly avoid collisions, but I have never seen any collisions.
>
> There is a downside, however. I tend to use a lot of rehearsal marks,
> and I also often include either a tempo marking or system text at the
> same barline where the rehearsal mark is placed. For example, rehearsal
> mark C might also say "Trumpet solo". In those cases, the collision
> avoidance seems to stack these elements vertically. It doesn't collide,
> but it may place the staffs very far apart in order to avoid the
> collision. I can move the elements manually to relieve the stacking,
> but the staffs remain spaced apart. They don't adjust themselves after
> I relieve the stacking. So I may have to adjust some of the staff
> spacing manually.
>
> But a key point is that by default, the parts are all completely
> playable, even if not ideally laid out. If you are racing to get a piece
> done in time for a rehearsal, you don't have to leave an extra hour or
> two to fiddle with parts just to make them playable.
>
>
> On 1/30/2019 12:08 AM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> > Impressive results! Thanks for sharing!
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer, Arranger
> > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> > Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 10:28 PM Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> >
> >> OK, here are the results
> >> Score: https://app.box.com/s/n7pi05swx2hve4wk71znvg409geju45b
> >> Parts: https://app.box.com/s/slp2py2olo3404gcpnlq9i30w3m4h0g9
> >>
> >> I emphasize I did ZERO EDITING. All I did was:
> >>
> >> 1) Open Dorico
> >> 2) Import your XML file
> >> 3) Print score
> >> 4) Print parts
> >>
> >> That all took about i minute. I chose to use Dorico's internal PDF
> >> creator which is really very nice and extremely fast. But one
> >> shortcoming is that it creates a separate PDF for each part, so I also
> did
> >>
> >> 5) Opened PdfSAM Visual to merge all the parts into one file. That took
> >> about 3 minutes -- longer than it took to create the parts in Dorico.
> >>
> >> The layouts aren't perfect. I'd certainly edit them a little. But a
> >> key point is that in almost every case, the parts are usable without any
> >> editing if you are in a big rush to get something out for rehearsal.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/28/2019 4:21 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote:
> >>> Hi Craig,
> >>> thanks for volunteering to do a little test.
> >>> Here is an orchestra job that has a bit of everything, yet not long.
> >>> Not sure what will translate, maybe there is too much information in
> >>> this XML file.
> >>> Let me know if I should prepare it differently to get a better result
> >>> (for test purposes).
> >>> But I’m really anxious to see how little one needs to touch to get a
> >>> good result.
> >>> Thanks again,
> >>> Thomas
> >>> PS - I took out title and credits and copyright to be on the safe side.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2
Hi all, It seems to me that this is 'Finale mailing list', not '... mailing list'. Thank you in advance for your kind attention, all best, Paolo A. Rismondo Il 30/01/2019 21:04, Craig Parmerlee ha scritto: Just to add a tidbit or two, there is currently no way in Dorico to have 2 parts share a staff in the score and still have them go to separate parts. As Steve says, it is actually pretty easy to write two separate parts, then add a third player. Select all the music from the two separate parts and Paste Special -> Implode into that third player. And then include only that third player in the score layout. But of course, any subsequent changes will not be synchronized. I believe what Dorico is working on is a framework where you can tell the score layout to automatically combine certain players -- in other words, automating the process I described above, and automatically keeping things in sync. This would be philosophically opposite the Finale approach. In Finale, you write both players into a single staff and then tell Finale how to split that into two parts for printing. My guess is that this will be in the next major (paid) release of Dorico, but I really have no way of knowing. That's just a guess. As you can imagine, there could be quite a lot of complication to this process. The Steinberg team does a pretty good job of handling most of the complications by default and giving you tools to address the cases where the default behavior is not good enough. On 1/28/2019 8:57 AM, Steve Parker wrote: Hi Christoper, This is something that is promised. On 28 Jan 2019, at 13:45, Christopher Smith wrote: ... Are you saying that Dorico handles two instruments per score staff, but with individual parts separated, including cues and solos, very well? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu --- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] music softwares and 'politics'
Hi David, I wrote: 'I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (or maybe, other people) to do things ready for them'. The music software market (admittedly, 'a very tiny niche of a niche market') is only a small, and perhaps negligeable, part of a very general trend; but perhaps what happens in this tiny-tiny niche could be symptomatic. Just now, people is influenced in their decisions (but also ideas and opinion) by datas sent0 from (other) computers (but people often forgot that behind that computer there is always a man, and often is a company); and the demand for 'ready made solutions' is increasing everywhere, I think. When I approached this - very general - trend to 'something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago', it was by 'similarity' of course, not by 'identity'. Btw: I don't know really if all of the music softwares you quote 'forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible'; Finale surely does, Sibelius perhaps (I've never used it to its full potential), others that you have mentioned... I do not think. A revelatory sign is the possibility of using different fonts - not only the one(s) supplied by the producer of the software - with ease, and even in the very same score (or project). all best, Paolo Il 28/01/2019 21:37, David H. Bailey ha scritto: Hi Paolo, You make good points. In an ideal world, the software would create beautiful engraved scores and parts with very little effort, but for those who want more control it would also allow them to do what they want. After all, the whole purpose of computers in the first place was to do quickly and easily what would take a human many more hours to do and not so easily. Imagine getting to the end of a 30-part score, all written beautifully by hand, only to find that 30 notes needed to be changed in every part, necessitating the complete rewriting of many pages of the score. Computers were designed to remove that sort of labor. Using notation software, which in actuality is a very tiny niche of a niche market and nowhere near to affecting the entire population is quite different from the political manifestations you mention when a country's leader tries to think for the entire population. One of the great things about good notation software such as Finale, Sibelius, Dorico, increasingly MuseScore, Notion, Forte, is the amount of control that each software allows the user to exercise. None of the programs forces anybody to accept the result "out of the box" with no changes possible. The more expensive programs Finale, Sibelius and Dorico allow more control over more items so the users indeed have the ability to think and sweat all they want over all the little details that only a music engraver would care about but which would not be noticed by most performing musicians. And the best thing in my opinion about the notation software marketplace is that nobody is forced to use any particular software unless they have a demanding client who insists on one over the others. So the "political" comparison doesn't Really hold up, again in my opinion. Thanks for raising the issue, David H. Bailey On 1/28/2019 9:49 AM, Paolo Alberto Rismondo wrote: Hi, A 'political' (maybe) consideration about music softwares other than /Finale /- that allow me not to mention them explicitly. I see that many people (and increasingly so) likes to allow software (or maybe, other people) to do things ready for them. That's an interesting phenomenon, not at all restricted to 'music softwares'; it's simpler, easier, quicker etc.; you have not even to think with your head. Maybe it come close to something Italy (and other countries as well) has suffered some decades ago (I mean, a single person that think, do, etc. for a whole nation). I continue to prefer that the software do what I want, even if I had to find myself alone. Paolo A. Rismondo --- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
