[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 89, Issue 3

[Michael Dutka]

Hi - first time on this list - hoping someone might be able to help me out
with a big problem.

Was running Finale 2008, original version, on an old IBM Thinkpad, but was
having lots of playback issues, and I knew the IBM didn't have enough
grunt-power for that much program.

So I bought the fastest computer I could find, an HP dv6 Notebook PC with an
Intel Core i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60 Ghz and 4G of ram.

Finale 8 worked quite well with this new setup, but when I updated to Finale
10, instantly I encountered latency problems in playback. Immediately after
booting the program, playback sounded okay, but the more time that passed,
the greater and greater the delay.

Heard that the internal sound card in a lot of laptops couldn't buffer lots
of data, so I bought the best sound card I could find, an Alesis io2. Ran
into the same problem. So I just stuck with the original version of 2008,
even when it didn't copy accidentals when copying from one staff to another.

When I updated to the latest version of 2008, I ran into the same problem
again - latency, that got worse and worse with time. The Finale folks
recommended ASIO4All with version 10 - I downloaded it and set it as the
audio driver, but I encountered the same latency, at any setting of the ASIO
buffer size.

The only way I was able to fix the problem was to uninstall Finale 2008 and
reinstall the original version, which worked perfectly, just like before.
But over and above the bugs in that version, it's only supported on Windows
XP, which will soon be outdated and unavailable as well.

I asked the nice folks at the helpdesk for_any configuration that would work
- any sound card, any settings, but they said I was having hardware
problems, which were out of their sphere of support.

If anybody has any suggestions that might let me run Finale 2010 with no
latency in playback (over and above selling my HP on Ebay and switching to
Mac), I'd be extremely grateful.

Thanks and best,
  Michael Dutka

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   1. Darcy's Grammy nomination (Michael Greensill)
   2. RE: Darcy's Grammy nomination (Phillips, Justin)
   3. Re: More questions (Brian Williams)
   4. Re: Darcy's Grammy nomination (Darcy James Argue)


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 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:19:14 -0800
 From: Michael Greensill m...@mikegreensill.com
 Subject: [Finale] Darcy's Grammy nomination
 To: finale@shsu.edu
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 Congrats to Darcy for his grammy nomination!

 Mike G.

 www.mikegreensill.com



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 Message: 2
 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:58:17 -0600
 From: Phillips, Justin jphill...@makemusic.com
 Subject: RE: [Finale] Darcy's Grammy nomination
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
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 Congrats from MakeMusic Technical Support!

 Justin Phillips
 Notation Product Specialist
 MakeMusic, Inc.



 -Original Message-
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 Of Michael Greensill
 Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:19 PM
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 Subject: [Finale] Darcy's Grammy nomination

 Congrats to Darcy for his grammy nomination!

 Mike G.

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 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:25:24 -0800
 From: Brian Williams br...@barisax.net
 Subject: Re: [Finale] More questions
 To: Finale Mailing List finale@shsu.edu
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 Also, make sure Update Page Layout for Score is unchecked in the Page
 Layout menu whenever you edit any of the settings in the floating Edit
 System Margins, Edit Page Margins, Page Size, Resize Page or Resize
 Staff System dialogs or else the changes you make to what you are
 specifically editing will be made to your default page layout settings and
 will apply to all future systems/pages that are added. That is probably
 what
 caused the problem in the first place.

 -Brian


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  On 12/1/2010 3

[Finale] Playback Problems (Latency) With Anything After Finale 2008v1

[Michael Dutka]

Hi - first time on this list - hoping someone might be able to give me some
advice about a big problem.

Was running Finale 2008 (original version) on an HP dv6 Notebook PC with an
Intel Core i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60 Ghz and 4G of ram.

Worked pretty well until I updated to Finale 10, instantly encountered
latency problems in playback. Immediately after booting the program,
playback sounded okay, but the more time that passed, the greater and
greater the delay.

Heard the internal sound card in lots of laptops couldn't buffer lots of
data, so I bought the best sound card I could find, an Alesis io2. Ran into
the same problem with 2010, and even when I updated to the latest version of
2008 - latency, that got worse and worse with time.

The Finale folks recommended ASIO4All with 2010 - I downloaded it and set it
as the audio driver, but I encountered the same latency, at any setting of
the ASIO buffer size.

The only way I was able to fix the problem was to uninstall Finale 2008 and
reinstall the original version, which worked perfectly, just like before.
But over and above the bugs in that version, it's only supported on Windows
XP, which will soon be outdated and unavailable as well.

I asked the nice folks at the helpdesk for_any configuration that would work
- any sound card, any Finale or PC settings, but they said I was having
hardware problems, which were out of their sphere of support.

If anybody has any suggestions that might let me run Finale 2010 with no
latency in playback (over and above selling my HP on Ebay and switching to
Mac), I'd be extremely grateful.

Thanks and best,
  Michael Dutka
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[Finale] Insert Notes Using MacBook Pro USB Keyboard

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Just switched from a PC laptop to a MacBook Pro, with a USB
keyboard, and having problems with the silliest things.

Like, the insert function. On a PC keyboard, it's just INS. I checked all
the Mac groups, that talk about the FN key (which does nothing) and the
Help key (which I don't have).

What do folks with Mac's and USB keyboards do if they want to insert notes
within a measure?

Thanks and best,

Michael Dutka
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[Finale] Insert Function on MAC

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks and thanks, but it turns out the proper command to toggle back
and forth between overwrite and insert is 'shift I.'

Best,
 Mike
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[Finale] Opening PC 2008 Files in Mac 2010 - Lyrics Gibberish

[Michael Dutka]

Has anyone else had this problem? When I open files I created in Finale
2008 on a PC with my MacBook running 2010, the lyrics are crazy - random
syllables from random sections showing up randomly.

The HelpDesk folks said it was an optimization problem, that I should
Remove Optimization on my XP, export an .xml file, and import the .xml file on
the Mac. Better, but still lots of crazy syllables.

Also, randomly, parts of the accompaniment plays poorly (it's a piano
reduction of an orchestral opera score) - the right hand hardly sounds at
all in various measures.

Has anyone else had this problem? Any ideas on a fix?

Thanks and best,
 Mike
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 116, Issue 15

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on a Macbook Pro and having a really
annoying problem. From time to time, a given function will just 'freeze up.'
Usually, it's the speedy entry tool - it just won't work, I won't be able
to highlight a measure and enter notes from my midi keyboard. Sometimes
it's other tools and functions, like the expression tool, the text tool, or
even shift8 to hide sharps or flats, or show courtesy accidentals.

Talked to the help desk, deleted the Preferences file, reinstalled the
program, and it's still happening. Has anyone else encountered this same
problem in 2010, and is there any solution (including upgrading to 2012, if
that'll fix it)?

I'd be very grateful for any advice anyone has. Thanks and best,

Mike

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1. Re: exceeded number of authorizations (toro 455)
2. Re: exceeded number of authorizations (David H. Bailey)
3. FinWin 2011 - Rhythmic/Slash notation and ties (Marcello Noia)
4. Re: FinWin 2011 - Rhythmic/Slash notation and ties (Steve Parker)
5. FinWin2011 - Getting part name in every page of extracted
   part (Marcello Noia)


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 Message: 1
 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:04:05 -0700
 From: toro 455 toro...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] exceeded number of authorizations
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID:
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 Thanks. I called and they cleared out my previous authorization(s) so I
 could authorize. Hopefully I'll remember to deauthorize Finale before
 formatting a hard drive in the future.

 They only had 2 previous authorizations on record. Is that the max? It sure
 seems like I've wiped drives and re-installed Finale a bunch of times
 before without running into this issue. I wonder if it is tied to the
 machine name, because this time I re-installed Windows I changed the
 machine name.


 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Richard Warnock cityguardb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I'd say yes. I think they can de-authorize from their end.
 
  On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:24 PM, toro 455 toro...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I just did a clean install of Windows 8 and Finale authorization
   failed. Obviously I can't deauthorize the old computer now. Am I
 going
  to
   have to phone support?
  
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 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:43:12 -0400
 From: David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] exceeded number of authorizations
 To: finale@shsu.edu
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 You get 2 authorizations for each version of Finale, so if you've done
 this sort of thing in years past when previous versions of Finale were
 involved, it wouldn't have affected your current version.

 You are legally allowed to keep all your registered versions of Finale
 installed at the same time.

 David H. Bailey



 On 3/19/2013 1:04 PM, toro 455 wrote:
  Thanks. I called and they cleared out my previous authorization(s) so I
  could authorize. Hopefully I'll remember to deauthorize Finale before
  formatting a hard drive in the future.
 
  They only had 2 previous authorizations on record. Is that the max? It
 sure
  seems like I've wiped drives and re-installed Finale a bunch of times
  before without running into this issue. I wonder if it is tied to the
  machine name, because this time I re-installed Windows I changed the
  machine name.
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Richard Warnock 
 cityguardb...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  I'd say yes. I think they can de-authorize from their end.
 
  On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:24 PM, toro 455 toro...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I just did a clean install of Windows 8 and Finale authorization
  failed. Obviously I can't deauthorize the old computer now. Am I
 going
  to
  have to phone support?
 
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[Finale] Double Accidentals with Doublings

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. IMHO, one of the biggest problems Finale has vis a vis (dare I
mention on this e-group) Sibelius is the way it handles accidentals with
doubled notes, i.e., oboes 1 and 2 doubled on a B flat.

In Sibelius, the doubled accidentals are on top of each other. In Finale,
they're side by side, so in the score, two F sharps would have two #'s in
front of them, and a B flat would look like a B double-b (looking to the
conductor like it should sound like an A).

The first big score I wrote, I just erased all the flats in layer 2 with
shift8 (which took hours). Then, when it came time to generate parts, oboe
2 was missing the flat and played a wrong note.

My latest score's being recorded the end of the month, and this time, I
painstakingly moved every layer 1 flat on top of the layer 2 flat with the
flat mover tool in the tool menu (again, running 2010 on a Macbook). (This
took even longer, and I'm scared to think what the parts for the layer 1
instruments'll look like).

Do 2012 or 2014 have solutions to this problem? Are there any global
solutions anyone can recommend, especially solutions that don't muck up the
parts output?

Thanks and best,
  Mike Dutka
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 140, Issue 3

[Michael Dutka]

Thanks, folks. Installing 2012 soon, will test it out, but if 2014 solves
this issue - sold! (Now if I could only figure out how to edit subject
lines in gmail - doesn't seem to give the option. Sorry, not the most
computer-savvy tool in the box here;).

Thanks again,
 Mike

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2. Re: Double Accidentals with Doublings (Darcy James Argue)
3. Re: Double Accidentals with Doublings (Ryan)


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 Message: 1
 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:53:57 -0500
 From: Michael Dutka mikedu...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Finale] Double Accidentals with Doublings
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID:
 CACeQs3Db6j6Bdt6rw+0NR=
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 Hi folks. IMHO, one of the biggest problems Finale has vis a vis (dare I
 mention on this e-group) Sibelius is the way it handles accidentals with
 doubled notes, i.e., oboes 1 and 2 doubled on a B flat.

 In Sibelius, the doubled accidentals are on top of each other. In Finale,
 they're side by side, so in the score, two F sharps would have two #'s in
 front of them, and a B flat would look like a B double-b (looking to the
 conductor like it should sound like an A).

 The first big score I wrote, I just erased all the flats in layer 2 with
 shift8 (which took hours). Then, when it came time to generate parts, oboe
 2 was missing the flat and played a wrong note.

 My latest score's being recorded the end of the month, and this time, I
 painstakingly moved every layer 1 flat on top of the layer 2 flat with the
 flat mover tool in the tool menu (again, running 2010 on a Macbook). (This
 took even longer, and I'm scared to think what the parts for the layer 1
 instruments'll look like).

 Do 2012 or 2014 have solutions to this problem? Are there any global
 solutions anyone can recommend, especially solutions that don't muck up the
 parts output?

 Thanks and best,
   Mike Dutka


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 Message: 2
 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:57:55 -0500
 From: Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Double Accidentals with Doublings
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID: 0291b67f-31e6-49d0-b830-bb756e3cb...@icloud.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 2014 solves this.

 Cheers,

 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org

 On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Michael Dutka mikedu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi folks. IMHO, one of the biggest problems Finale has vis a vis (dare I
  mention on this e-group) Sibelius is the way it handles accidentals with
  doubled notes, i.e., oboes 1 and 2 doubled on a B flat.
 
  In Sibelius, the doubled accidentals are on top of each other. In Finale,
  they're side by side, so in the score, two F sharps would have two #'s in
  front of them, and a B flat would look like a B double-b (looking to the
  conductor like it should sound like an A).
 
  The first big score I wrote, I just erased all the flats in layer 2 with
  shift8 (which took hours). Then, when it came time to generate parts,
 oboe
  2 was missing the flat and played a wrong note.
 
  My latest score's being recorded the end of the month, and this time, I
  painstakingly moved every layer 1 flat on top of the layer 2 flat with
 the
  flat mover tool in the tool menu (again, running 2010 on a Macbook).
 (This
  took even longer, and I'm scared to think what the parts for the layer 1
  instruments'll look like).
 
  Do 2012 or 2014 have solutions to this problem? Are there any global
  solutions anyone can recommend, especially solutions that don't muck up
 the
  parts output?
 
  Thanks and best,
   Mike Dutka
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 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:15:39 -0800
 From: Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Double Accidentals with Doublings
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
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 The linked parts in 2012 will look fine in the file where you moved the
 accidental in layer 1. This is the method I

Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 139, Issue 21

[Michael Dutka]

cmd 'R' and cmd 'D'. I'll try them both in my next session. Thanks!

Mike

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1. Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts' (Michael Dutka)
2. Re: Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts' (timothy price)
3. Re: Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'
   (j...@thomastudios.com)
4. Re: Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts' (Chuck Israels)
5. Re: [OT] jazz harmonies to low-budget space rental ad
   (SN jef chippewa)


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 Message: 1
 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:11:53 -0500
 From: Michael Dutka mikedu...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Finale] Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID:
 
 caceqs3bychzdb2yn9ag+22ldjxljqmgjk9yq88rbobt6syr...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook Pro. I often have a problem when I
 want to reposition hairpins. I click the Smart Shapes tool, and either
 delete and re-enter them, or reposition them with the cursor. Often (but
 not always), I can see 'ghosts' of the old hairpins along with the new
 ones. Not a huge problem, using the Speedy Entry tool and clicking on the
 measure deletes them, but it's another step, and a it's little annoying.

 It also happens with articulations, but less frequently.

 Does anyone have the same problem? Is there a reason why it happens
 sometimes and not others? Is there anything that can prevent this? Does it
 happen in 2012 (planning to upgrade next week)? 2014?

 Any advice and/or recommendations deeply appreciated. Thanks,

 Mike Dutka


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 Message: 2
 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:15:15 -0500
 From: timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID: bae326c5-9c31-43f3-b5ee-73275df52...@valley.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 After repositioning, hit command R to redraw.

 tim

 On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:

  Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook Pro. I often have a problem when I
  want to reposition hairpins. I click the Smart Shapes tool, and either
  delete and re-enter them, or reposition them with the cursor. Often (but
  not always), I can see 'ghosts' of the old hairpins along with the new
  ones. Not a huge problem, using the Speedy Entry tool and clicking on the
  measure deletes them, but it's another step, and a it's little annoying.
 
  It also happens with articulations, but less frequently.
 
  Does anyone have the same problem? Is there a reason why it happens
  sometimes and not others? Is there anything that can prevent this? Does
 it
  happen in 2012 (planning to upgrade next week)? 2014?
 
  Any advice and/or recommendations deeply appreciated. Thanks,
 
  Mike Dutka
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 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:16:16 -0800
 From: j...@thomastudios.com j...@thomastudios.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID: ed0748d5-4053-4938-b637-a25299197...@thomastudios.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

 It?s an annoying bug and or limitation to Finales graphic engine.  And no,
 there is no workaround.  I?ve gotten using to Cmd-D but it?s still an
 annoyance.  And yes, it is there in 2012.  I haven?t done enough file
 editing in 2014 to state for sure whether or not it?s still there.  Can?t
 say that I?ve noticed it with articulations.

 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios

  On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Michael Dutka mikedu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook Pro. I often have a problem when I
  want to reposition hairpins. I click the Smart Shapes tool, and either
  delete and re-enter them, or reposition them with the cursor. Often (but
  not always), I can see 'ghosts' of the old hairpins along with the new
  ones. Not a huge problem, using the Speedy Entry tool and clicking on the
  measure deletes them, but it's another step, and a it's little annoying.
 
  It also happens with articulations, but less frequently.
 
  Does anyone have the same problem? Is there a reason why it happens
  sometimes and not others

[Finale] Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook Pro. I often have a problem when I
want to reposition hairpins. I click the Smart Shapes tool, and either
delete and re-enter them, or reposition them with the cursor. Often (but
not always), I can see 'ghosts' of the old hairpins along with the new
ones. Not a huge problem, using the Speedy Entry tool and clicking on the
measure deletes them, but it's another step, and a it's little annoying.

It also happens with articulations, but less frequently.

Does anyone have the same problem? Is there a reason why it happens
sometimes and not others? Is there anything that can prevent this? Does it
happen in 2012 (planning to upgrade next week)? 2014?

Any advice and/or recommendations deeply appreciated. Thanks,

Mike Dutka
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 139, Issue 21

[Michael Dutka]

With my Mac, cmd 'R' did something weird, brought up a ruler bracket around
the screen, but cmd 'D' worked great. Thanks for the suggestion,

Mike

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 cmd 'R' and cmd 'D'. I'll try them both in my next session. Thanks!

 Mike

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1. Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts' (Michael Dutka)
2. Re: Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts' (timothy price)
3. Re: Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'
   (j...@thomastudios.com)
4. Re: Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts' (Chuck Israels)
5. Re: [OT] jazz harmonies to low-budget space rental ad
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 Message: 1
 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:11:53 -0500
 From: Michael Dutka mikedu...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Finale] Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'
 To: finale@shsu.edu
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 Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook Pro. I often have a problem when I
 want to reposition hairpins. I click the Smart Shapes tool, and either
 delete and re-enter them, or reposition them with the cursor. Often (but
 not always), I can see 'ghosts' of the old hairpins along with the new
 ones. Not a huge problem, using the Speedy Entry tool and clicking on the
 measure deletes them, but it's another step, and a it's little annoying.

 It also happens with articulations, but less frequently.

 Does anyone have the same problem? Is there a reason why it happens
 sometimes and not others? Is there anything that can prevent this? Does it
 happen in 2012 (planning to upgrade next week)? 2014?

 Any advice and/or recommendations deeply appreciated. Thanks,

 Mike Dutka


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 Message: 2
 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:15:15 -0500
 From: timothy price timothy.pr...@valley.net
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'
 To: finale@shsu.edu
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 After repositioning, hit command R to redraw.

 tim

 On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:

  Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook Pro. I often have a problem when I
  want to reposition hairpins. I click the Smart Shapes tool, and either
  delete and re-enter them, or reposition them with the cursor. Often (but
  not always), I can see 'ghosts' of the old hairpins along with the new
  ones. Not a huge problem, using the Speedy Entry tool and clicking on
 the
  measure deletes them, but it's another step, and a it's little annoying.
 
  It also happens with articulations, but less frequently.
 
  Does anyone have the same problem? Is there a reason why it happens
  sometimes and not others? Is there anything that can prevent this? Does
 it
  happen in 2012 (planning to upgrade next week)? 2014?
 
  Any advice and/or recommendations deeply appreciated. Thanks,
 
  Mike Dutka
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 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:16:16 -0800
 From: j...@thomastudios.com j...@thomastudios.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Hairpins and Articulations Leaving 'Ghosts'
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID: ed0748d5-4053-4938-b637-a25299197...@thomastudios.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

 It?s an annoying bug and or limitation to Finales graphic engine.  And
 no, there is no workaround.  I?ve gotten using to Cmd-D but it?s still an
 annoyance.  And yes, it is there in 2012.  I haven?t done enough file
 editing in 2014 to state for sure whether or not it?s still there.  Can?t
 say that I?ve noticed it with articulations.

 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios

  On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Michael Dutka mikedu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook Pro. I often have a problem when I
  want to reposition hairpins. I click the Smart Shapes tool, and either
  delete and re-enter them, or reposition them with the cursor. Often (but
  not always), I can see 'ghosts' of the old hairpins along with the new
  ones. Not a huge problem, using the Speedy Entry tool and clicking on
 the
  measure

[Finale] Problems Transferring Files to MIDI

[Michael Dutka]

Hey, folks. Had something weird happen at a recording session. Wrote a new
opera on Finale 2010 (just got the e-mail saying that it's getting
premiered in NYC this Fall - yay!). I saved the .mus files as MIDI files
per the drop-down menu, and sent them to the recording engineer.

We started recording using his MIDI system and in nearly all cases, while
the initial tempos of each file were all correct, in subsequent tempo
changes, the tempos were way off.

As you know, Finale 2010 is pretty meticulous with tempo markings - you
click the 'playback' tab of the expression designer and it shows you that
it's playing the exact tempo indicated. When I played back the .mus files
in Finale, the tempos were all exactly what I wanted and when I exported to
audio files, the .mp3's all sounded perfect.

The recording engineer said his system couldn't be at fault, that it just
picks up the tempo in the MIDI file, and the problem had to be on the
Finale end, some glitch in the MIDI output. Has anyone encountered this
before? Does anyone have any idea on how to fix / prevent it?

As a slight additional glitch, a flute line with an eighth note triplet
came out as two sixteenths and an eighth. I rechecked the score and it was
an exact triplet. Not sure if it's part of the same problem, but thought
I'd mention.

Any help or advice deeply appreciated. Thanks and best,

Mike Dutka
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[Finale] Problems Transferring Files to MIDI (Michael Dutka)

[Michael Dutka]

 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:49:53 +0200
 From: Jan Angerm?ller j...@angermueller.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Problems Transferring Files to MIDI
 To: finale@shsu.edu
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Jan, thanks so much for your reply. I'm probably not the first or last
Finale user to experience this problem, and hopefully this'll help folks in
the future.


 in subsequent tempo changes, the tempos were way off.
 What sort of subsequent tempo changes were those ?
 Text expression tempo marking, text expression tempo alterations or
 continuous MIDI tempo change data or human playback triggered tempo
 changes  ?


They were text expression tempo markings. The movement began as a 4 4
Allegro Agitato, quarter note = 96, and the tempo changed to 6 8 Lento,
dotted quarter note = 42, both created with the expression tool.



 What sort of way off were they ?


The original tempo was spot on. The subsequent dotted quarter = 42 tempo
was way too fast - as if the MIDI didn't recognize the tempo change, and
was still playing quarter notes as 96, so the dotted quarters were 64.


 Did you export all staves in one MIDI file and the MIDI didn't sound
 like the Finale playback ?


I clicked FILE, Save As, and chose the MIDI option from the Format tab. And
yes, beginning with the tempo change, the MIDI sounded much faster than the
Finale playback.


 Or did you create individual MIDI tracks per staff and the individual
 MIDI files don't match each other ?


I_believe it was the former.



 It's difficult to solve the Finale tempo problems without knowing all this.


Understood and again, I really appreciate your help.



 Some ideas to fix it:
 - Don't mix tempo text expressions AND continuous MIDI data
I.e. if you are not working with continuous MIDI tempo change data,
delete with edit filter all MIDI Data - Tempo Changes and work with
 tempo text expressions only


In the Edit Filter Menu, under MIDI Data, the Tempo Changes box wasn't
checked.


Or: delete all tempo text expressions and work with continuous MIDI
 tempo change data only.
 - Check Play recorded tempo changes in Playback/Record Options


This was checked


 - Check Dynamics and markings: Chase from First Measure in
 Playback/Record Options


This was set correctly


 - Make sure that the expression playback layer is not muted in the score
 manager if you use tempo text expressions


Hmmm. Not sure what / where the score manager is (it didn't come up on
search). I never deliberately muted the expression playback, and if it were
muted, I wonder if the initial tempo would have been correct. Not sure.


 - Use a custom human playback custom style with Rubato set to 0%,
 Rhythmic Feel to 0%,



Interpret Tempo Changes unchecked, Interpret Final bars
 unchecked, Interpret Fermatas unchecked.



 - set Human Playback - MIDI Data - Tempo to No HP Effect



 - Make sure Humen Playback - Tempo Variations - Randomize Tempo
 Variations is unchecked



 - if all the human playback stuff is still not enough, turn off human
 playback completely

 Best regards,
 Jan


Thanks again. Will work through these. Again, I'm using 2010 - are all the
instructions you gave for that, or a later version? But I did turn off
human playback, and it didn't seem to affect the sound, so I'll recreate
the MIDI files and send them that way.



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 Message: 3
 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:29:57 -0400
 From: David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Problems Transferring Files to MIDI
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 Message-ID: 552c1935.6020...@comcast.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

 Jan has given you some great information and suggestions.

 Another suggestion is to ask your recording engineer whether his
 software can accept MusicXML files (more and more of them can accept
 that) -- perhaps if his software can accept the MusicXML files you will
 get more accurate playback.

 Good luck with it all, and congratulations on the upcoming premiere!

 David H. Bailey



Thanks - will do!

Mike
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[Finale] Problems Transferring Files to MIDI

[Michael Dutka]

Thanks, Christopher. I sent revised MIDI files to the engineer, one with
Tempo Changes checked in the Edit Filter menu, the other with Human
Playback set to None.

He said he'd get back to me about how the two files work, respectively. And
if anyone's in NYC on September 26th, come see the opera! Admission is free.

Best,
  Mike

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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:55:50 -0400
 From: Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Problems Transferring Files to MIDI
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 This sounds like a Human Playback issue. In certain styles, Human
 Playback makes small adjustments in the tempo, like a rit at the
 end, but doesn't do it with mathematical certainty. If you want only
 exact tempos, you will have to dig into the guts of Human Playback
 and find out how to turn off the tempo adjustments it makes.

 Once I was transferring MIDI over in two passes, and discovered that
 the tempo was not the same between two takes! Human Playback
 apparently has a certain random factor in its tempo decisions. But
 turning off Human Playback and applying the Human Playback plugin
 instead apparently fixed the tempo adjustments so every time I hit
 Play it would be precisely the same. (Disclaimer: I didn't do it, a
 friend did. I couldn't figure it out.)

 Christopher


 On 13-Apr-15, at 13-Apr-15  1:30 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:

  Hey, folks. Had something weird happen at a recording session.
  Wrote a new
  opera on Finale 2010 (just got the e-mail saying that it's getting
  premiered in NYC this Fall - yay!). I saved the .mus files as MIDI
  files
  per the drop-down menu, and sent them to the recording engineer.
 
  We started recording using his MIDI system and in nearly all cases,
  while
  the initial tempos of each file were all correct, in subsequent tempo
  changes, the tempos were way off.
 
  As you know, Finale 2010 is pretty meticulous with tempo markings -
  you
  click the 'playback' tab of the expression designer and it shows
  you that
  it's playing the exact tempo indicated. When I played back the .mus
  files
  in Finale, the tempos were all exactly what I wanted and when I
  exported to
  audio files, the .mp3's all sounded perfect.
 
  The recording engineer said his system couldn't be at fault, that
  it just
  picks up the tempo in the MIDI file, and the problem had to be on the
  Finale end, some glitch in the MIDI output. Has anyone encountered
  this
  before? Does anyone have any idea on how to fix / prevent it?
 
  As a slight additional glitch, a flute line with an eighth note
  triplet
  came out as two sixteenths and an eighth. I rechecked the score and
  it was
  an exact triplet. Not sure if it's part of the same problem, but
  thought
  I'd mention.
 
  Any help or advice deeply appreciated. Thanks and best,
 
  Mike Dutka
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 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 19:09:20 -0400
 From: Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Problems Transferring Files to MIDI
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID: 573d3d3d-a8ed-445e-8112-35f14c36d...@videotron.ca
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

 Holy cow! Look how long it took for this message to appear! (Though in all
 honesty, I think there was stuff going on with my system at home. I
 rebooted and this went out. Whee!)

 Christopher


 On Mon Apr 13, at MondayApr 13 1:55 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:

  This sounds like a Human Playback issue. In certain styles, Human
  Playback makes small adjustments in the tempo, like a rit at the
  end, but doesn't do it with mathematical certainty. If you want only
  exact tempos, you will have to dig into the guts of Human Playback
  and find out how to turn off the tempo adjustments it makes.
 
  Once I was transferring MIDI over in two passes, and discovered that
  the tempo was not the same between two takes

Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 142, Issue 19

[Michael Dutka]

Robert, what version are you running? I've crashed about ten times in the
last week, and I've always found the .asv file afterwards, usually with
very little music lost (mine also saves every five minutes, and it's a
little annoying, because it breaks my chain of thought, but when I have a
crash,. it's worth it).

If you 'open recent,' that'll open the last .mus file you saved, which
won't have the new material, and in mac, sometimes the file might not be
saved in the folder in which you saved the last .mus file. Sometimes I have
to hunt around for the .asv

As an extremely low-tech solution (something I started doing when I
couldn't get an old version of Finale to auto-save), I just hit 'save-as'
every ten minutes or so. FWIW.

Good luck!

Mike
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[Finale] Playback Doesn't Stop at End of Piece

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Having a weird little problem with Finale 10 on Mac.

The playback always used to stop at the end of every file. For some reason,
now when it reaches the end of a file, it just continues, counting time,
until I click the stop button. Not a huge problem, but it's a little
annoying and I wish it wouldn't.

I have playback controls set to play from leftmost measure to end of piece.
Anyone have the same problem? Any suggestions?

Best,
 Mike
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[Finale] Missing Percussion Map? (David Wolfson)

[Michael Dutka]

Whenever I have a power problem, one additional step that sometimes helps
is to  completely cut power to the MIDI interface, wait 20 seconds and then
plug it back in.

I've had problems with wonky sound which that's fixed. Not sure if it'll
help in this case, but worth a try.

Good luck!

Mike

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1. Missing Percussion Map? (David Wolfson)
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 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:11:09 -0400
 From: David Wolfson da...@davidwolfsonmusic.net
 Subject: [Finale] Missing Percussion Map?
 To: finale@shsu.edu
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 I opened a FinMac 2014 file for the first time in several months and
 discovered that my percussion playback has gone blooie. I have alternating
 measures with music in layer 1 and layer 2, feeding to different
 channels/instruments; in layer 1, the notes are playing back on the wrong
 sounds, and in layer 2, it?s the correct sound, but grace notes and the
 notes that follow them are not playing back at all.

 I?ve submitted this to MakeMusic support and gotten no response thus far.
 Any ideas from this illustrious group would be MOST appreciated.

 David Wolfson
 davidwolfsonmusic.net




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 Message: 2
 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:46:49 -0400
 From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Error Code: 7???
 To: finale@shsu.edu
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 OK, a new day and the Error 7 is no more.  Finale continues, with
 mysteries unfathomable 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Raymond Horton
 horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
  I tried the reboot, I mean. Interesting about the audio - I do have it
  running to a receiver and speakers, but I've had it setup like that for
  years, no changes recently. I'll unplug it and see, but remain doubtful.
  Thanks!
 
  On Aug 11, 2015 8:41 AM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  First thing I tried, yes. Thanks!
 
  On Aug 11, 2015 7:09 AM, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
  Have you rebooted the computer again after the power outage/restore?
  I've found that sometimes a second restart is necessary after that sort
  of thing.
 
  Good luck,
  David H. Bailey
 
  On 8/10/2015 9:42 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
   Upgraded to Win 10 a couple of days ago, Finale 2014 seemed ok.  Then
   a power outage/ restore, now when I load Finale I get:
  
  
   Finale's audio engine failed to load.  Please restart Finale.
   Error Code: 7
  
   And, sure enough, no playback on either VST or midi.   Restarting
   Finale gets same result.
  
   Any help appreciated!
  
  
   Raymond Horton
   Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
   Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
   Composer, Arranger
   VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
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[Finale] Porting Staff Pad Notation to Finale

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. Does anyone have any experience with this? Staff Pad looks like a
great way to notate melodies on the go, and it'd be even better if it were
possible to just port notated music to Finale files.

Best,
 Mike
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[Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Michael Dutka]

Really appreciate the feedback. What I'm hearing is, suck it up until I'm
finished with this orchestration, then upgrade to Finale 2014.5, especially
because I heard 2012 has problems with .asv files (which would really scare
me, because I average a few crashes a month). Anyone have an experience
with 2014.5 that would contraindicate?

And btw, when I created the new file, they had the same problem with the
'measure number' boxes being unchecked in the 'Items to display' menu under
'staff attributes' for about half the staves.  Weird.

Thanks again,
 Mike

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> Keep away from 2014 and 2014b at all costs!
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>
>
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> wrote:
>
> > On 6/3/2016 9:08 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:
> > > Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.
> > >
> > > Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I
> import
> > > into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano
> line
> > > between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when
> > I'm
> > > done with each number).
> > >
> > > This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a
> > means
> > > to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
> > > instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it
> wouldn't
> > > let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded
> > like
> > > a flute.
> > >
> > > Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time
> > it
> > > sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the
> > flute
> > > to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.
> > >
> > > Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which
> > worked
> > > after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a
> new
> > > instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin
> line
> > to
> > > an orchestration.
> > >
> >
> >
> > It sounds as if somehow your flute staff and your new harp staff are set
> > to the same midi channel number.  Change that for one of the staves and
> > then assign the correct instrument patch to each staff and you should be
> > able to get them to sound correctly.
> >
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[Finale] Why Is It So Hard to Add Instruments to an Orchestration?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running 2010 on a Macbook pro.

Orchestrating an opera from a series of piano reductions, which I import
into a standard orchestra template, with a standard two-stave piano line
between the singers and the strings (then I delete the piano line when I'm
done with each number).

This particular number needed a harp, and since the piano score was a means
to an end, I just tried to convert the piano line into a harp in the
instrument list (GM = Orchestral Harp, but under instrument, it wouldn't
let me plug in a harp, it just came out as Instrument 33). It sounded like
a flute.

Created a new harp line using New Staves (with setup Wizard). This time it
sounded like a harp. Then, in playback, so did the flute. Changed the flute
to sound like a flute, and the harp sounded like a flute as well.

Finally, created a whole new orchestra and imported the file, which worked
after a bit of manipulation. But why is it so difficult to just add a new
instrument? I had the same issues when I tried to add a solo violin line to
an orchestration.

Planning to upgrade soon. Is 2012 any better at that? How 'bout 2014?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, and best,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 153, Issue 5

[Michael Dutka]

Thanks so much for getting back. It's a Mac OS X version 10.6.8.

Magically, the folder reappeared today. I'm sure I didn't just not see it
yesterday - Finder lets you sort files and folders by name, in alphabetical
order, and I was looking right at where it should have been.

Really_weird. Very curious if anyone has any idea why this happens (spoke
to a friend yesterday who's running Finale 09 on a PC, and he said he'd had
the same thing happen to him).

But thanks again. Best,

Mike

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> Hi, folks. Working on a long opera for years now, running Finale 10 on a
> MacBook Pro, and all of a sudden Finale can't find the folder I store it
> in.
>
> Finder finds the folder, and recently modified files show up in the
> recently modified files menu, but I can't save changes to the right folder,
> because it doesn't show up in the menu with the 'save as' command.
>
> Opened and closed Finale, rebooted, everything. Any ideas, suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
> Mike
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:57:41 -0700
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> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Zapped An Entire Opera
> To: finale@shsu.edu
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> One word:  BACKUP??
>
> This could also be a OS issue.  What version of Mac OS are you running.
> More info on your Mac system could help out here.
>
>
> ***
> J D Thomas
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>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, folks. Working on a long opera for years now, running Finale 10 on a
> > MacBook Pro, and all of a sudden Finale can't find the folder I store it
> in.
> >
> > Finder finds the folder, and recently modified files show up in the
> > recently modified files menu, but I can't save changes to the right
> folder,
> > because it doesn't show up in the menu with the 'save as' command.
> >
> > Opened and closed Finale, rebooted, everything. Any ideas, suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks!
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> Permissions issue sounds like.
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> > On Apr 9, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, folks. Working on a long opera for years now, running Finale 10 on a
> > MacBook Pro, and all of a sudden Finale can't find the folder I store it
> in.
> >
> > Finder finds the folder, and recently modified files show up in the
> > recently modified files menu, but I can'

[Finale] Finale Zapped An Entire Opera

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Working on a long opera for years now, running Finale 10 on a
MacBook Pro, and all of a sudden Finale can't find the folder I store it in.

Finder finds the folder, and recently modified files show up in the
recently modified files menu, but I can't save changes to the right folder,
because it doesn't show up in the menu with the 'save as' command.

Opened and closed Finale, rebooted, everything. Any ideas, suggestions?

Thanks!
Mike
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[Finale] 1. For Unsophisticated Finale Users (Like Me) / 2. For Sophisticated Users

[Michael Dutka]

1.Working with Finale 2010 on a MacBook Pro, and not sure how but the
Measure Number box in the Staff Attributes menu got unchecked for some of
the staves in an orchestral score, and when I extracted the oboe part, it
had no measure numbers.

Took me a bit of research to track down the reason.

Certainly not something I did deliberately, and I doubt it's the default in
adding staves because it wasn't checked for about half the orchestra (e.g.,
it wasn't for horns 1 & 2, but it was for 3 & 4), so either my hand slipped
somewhere along the line, or it's a lovable Finale quirk, but I wanted to
mention it, in case others encounter similar problems.

2. For sophisticated folks, is there anyone in the Philadelphia area who'd
be willing to spend some time some day at an hourly rate, helping with a
bunch of problems I've been having (e.g., printing formats for parts,
cymbals don't crash) and importing additional sound libraries into my menu?

Please let me know, thanks and best,

Mike
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[Finale] New Version of Finale? (Graeme Gerrard)

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, Graeme.

I got an e-mail from MakeMusic a week and a half or so ago about a new
version in the works, mentioning specific improvements to the sound library.

Check out...


http://www.finalemusic.com/blog/great-sounds-next-version-finale/?utm_source=cheetah_medium=email_campaign=finaleteaser_source=cheetah_medium=email



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[Finale] Land Mines

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. Running 2010 on a MacBook Pro.

Have had trouble with what I call land mines, that is, what playback plays
something different from what I wrote, as if there were invisible markings
messing things up.

Sometimes it's dynamics, an oboe marked PP that blasts out of a texture
when I know it shouldn't. Even worse is tempo, when a measure with no tempo
change marked plays back inexplicably faster than the measure before. I've
even put in ridiculously slow tempo markings in measures like this and the
playback just ignores them.

Any thoughts or advice much appreciated. Best,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Land Mines

[Michael Dutka]

Thanks for the feedback, folks. I_think I tried clearing out the MIDI data
and it didn't help, but I'll give it another whirl if (more likely when) it
happens again. The restarting is a new idea - will definitely give that a
try.

Never even used the tempo tool, may definitely try that with one file that
just increased one (very important) measure's tempo by about 40%, for no
apparent reason.

Thanks again,

Mike





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[Finale] A 'Where You At' Command?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks.

I sometimes have to meticulously count notes and slurs for multiple bars to
know whether a given string instrument  / section is playing a given note
with an up or down bow. And if a section continues for a significant length
of time, I have to track back multiple bars to remind myself of the last
dynamic I gave a given instrument / staff.

The solution I had in mind is essentially a 'where you at' command, putting
shadow dynamics in each measure and shadow bow markings on every note (or
the first note of every set of slurred notes).

If I'm the only one who encounters this problem, in the immortal words of
Emily Litella, 'never mind.'

If not, do folks think this is a good idea, and if so, would it be worth
informing the MakeMusic people?

Best,
 Mike
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Re: [Finale] Getting Rid of Piano / Pno. Group names on Piano Staves

[Michael Dutka]

Select the staves with Staff Tool. In the Staff Menu, select Groups and
Brackets>Edit? and uncheck Show Group Name.

Christopher

Thanks so much for your response, and sorry I didn't mention but yes, I
tried that and it didn't change anything.

I'll try it again just to make sure.

Thanks again,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Getting Rid of Piano / Pno. Group names on Piano Staves

[Michael Dutka]

> Christopher
>
> Thanks so much for your response, and sorry I didn't mention but yes, I
> tried that and it didn't change anything.
>
> I'll try it again just to make sure.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Mike
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:22:28 -0400
> From: Christopher Smith <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting Rid of Piano / Pno. Group names on Piano
> Staves
> To: <finale@shsu.edu>
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> Make sure you select the ENTIRE staff, by clicking to the left of the
> clef, then shift-click to the left of the other clef so both staves are
> selected in their entirety.
>
> Christopher
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Select the staves with Staff Tool. In the Staff Menu, select Groups and
> > Brackets>Edit? and uncheck Show Group Name.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > Thanks so much for your response, and sorry I didn't mention but yes, I
> > tried that and it didn't change anything.
> >
> > I'll try it again just to make sure.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
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> Wow! It just seems to love having that Piano/Pno. there. Tried it in
> scroll and page view, highlighted both staves as you said, they were
> highlighted in their entirety, unchecked the Show Group Name box, erased
> the group name and abbreviation, and it just wouldn't erase the group name.
> It disappeared in scrool view, but was there when I went to page view.
>
> Wondering if it has something to do with the fact that I copied material
> from something I wrote in Finale 2008 on a PC.
>

Thanks anyway,

Mike
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[Finale] Getting Rid of Piano / Pno. Group names on Piano Staves?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. Running 2010 on a MacBook Pro (following all your threads on new
releases and_terrified to upgrade. But I digress).

Working on a piano reduction of an orchestrated opera, and as you all know,
when you add a piano to the instrument list, the default creates a grouped
treble and bass staff set with the standard piano bracket. The default
group name is Piano, and the abbreviated name is Pno.

IMHO, Pno. looks weird, and intelligent musicians don't really need us to
tell them a piano score is a piano score. So, I tried to erase the group
name and abbreviation. I tried everything I could find in the staff menu,
highlighting the group, erasing both names and leaving them blank, etc. It
only erased the name for the specific system I was working on. The opera is
dozens of pages long, with only 2 - 3 systems per page, so working system
by system would take a great deal of time and bother, and I was trying for
a global solution.

I tried starting at the beginning, it made no difference. I tried just
highlighting the box near the name Pno., and it deleted the bracket as
well, which I want to stay there.

It's not a crucial thing, but it's a presentation to a regional opera
company that might perform the piece if they like it, so I would like to
present it in the best way possible.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Thanks and best,
Mike
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Re: [Finale] Silent Playback

[Michael Dutka]

Rudimentary user here, but when I have this problem, often a simple fixes
it. Assume you've done that, turned any interfaces you have off and then on
again?

Best,
  Mike Dutka

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Today's Topics:

   1. SILENT PLAYBACK (Linda Worsley)
   2. missing bracket (dc)
   3. Re: SILENT PLAYBACK (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz)
   4. Re: missing bracket (Christopher Smith)
   5. Re: missing bracket (dc)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:42:32 -0700
From: Linda Worsley 
Subject: [Finale] SILENT PLAYBACK
To: finale@shsu.edu
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Mac finale 2014;.5

Yesterday all the scores I was working on were playing back both in
the playback window and with the shift click method.  Tonight NONE of
them are playing back.  I have no idea where to even star.  The sound
is up on the computer and I'm hearing everything else.  Have I hit a
wrong button somewhere?  I'm just playing back the instruments that
exist in Finale-- I use playback to check my work, not to make
recordings... I just want to hear what I've entered and play back
sections to check them.

Help!

Linda Worsley


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 08:19:04 +0200
From: dc 
Subject: [Finale] missing bracket
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed

I have a 10-year old score for 3 solo voices, 4 "ripieno" voices, 2
violins and basso continuo, with parts for the violins and the basso
continuo. I've been asked for a separate part with only the 4 ripieno
voices. So I created it as a linked part, but the group bracket I have
in the score doesn't appear in the part. How could I get it back?

I tried unoptimizing the part, but, for some reason, this gives me
barlines "through staves" in the part that I don't have in the score and
don't want. I found no way to correct this.)

Fin2008a Windows 7

Many thanks.

Dennis



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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 07:57:09 -0400
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz 
Subject: Re: [Finale] SILENT PLAYBACK
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Sat, September 24, 2016 1:42 am, Linda Worsley wrote:
> Yesterday all the scores I was working on were playing back both in
> the playback window and with the shift click method.  Tonight NONE of
> them are playing back.  I have no idea where to even star.  The sound
> is up on the computer and I'm hearing everything else.  Have I hit a
> wrong button somewhere?  I'm just playing back the instruments that
> exist in Finale-- I use playback to check my work, not to make
> recordings... I just want to hear what I've entered and play back
> sections to check them.

Not an answer for you, but there's something up with playback in this
version.
I'm having a playback problem on 2014.5 Windows, too. It works fine until I
export an audio file. Then, to get sound again, I have to restart Finale.

Dennis





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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 08:23:15 -0400
From: Christopher Smith 
Subject: Re: [Finale] missing bracket
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Just recreate the group in the part. In the Staff Tool, select all, go to
Edit Groups and select Create Group. The options you want are there to be
checked or unchecked.

The reason this happened was because the staves have names. Finale will
preserve groups only for unnamed staves in the parts, like the two staves
of a piano part. If you name them, like SATB or your ripieno staves, Finale
assumes that they aren?t meant to have brackets. One trick that occurs to
me (but I?ve never tried) is deleting the staff names, creating the part,
then naming the staves again once the part has been ?tricked? into
preserving the groups. But it?s so easy to recreate a group compared to
typing in all those staff names that I?ve never tried it.

I hope this was true in 2008. I don?t have a computer that will run this
version any more.

Christopher

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:19 AM, dc  wrote:
>
> I have a 

Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12

[Michael Dutka]

Folks, thanks so much for the response. Much appreciated.

Just to make sure I understand, when you say Finale 2010 isn't supported on
Mac Sierra, is that like Windows XP is no longer supported (but still works
fine)?

Or if I try to install 2010 on Sierra, will it just not work?

If that's the case, does anyone know the most recent Mac OS 2010 will run
on?

Thanks,
  Mike
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 22:22:36 +0100
> From: Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12
> To: finale@shsu.edu
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>
> Hi Mike,
>
> All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it?s not possible to install an
older OS. Finale 2010 is definitely not supported on Sierra. If you buy a
new Mac you will also need to upgrade to Finale v25.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ? DJA

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> Subject: Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12
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> You might be able to use migration assistant to migrate over applications
and users from an older Mac, but I?d say you should probably upgrade to
Finale 2014.5 at least.
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it?s not possible to install an
older OS. Finale 2010 is definitely not supported on Sierra. If you buy a
new Mac you will also need to upgrade to Finale v25.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > ? DJA
> > -
> > http://secretsocietymusic.org
> >
> > From: Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com>
> > Reply: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
> > Date: November 5, 2016 at 7:13:27 PM
> > To: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
> > Subject:  [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12
> >
> > Hi folks. Want to buy a new computer, but don't want to upgrade to
Finale
> > 2012 (it doesn't back up as well as 2010) or 2014 (reading what you-all
say
> > about it scares me to death).
> >
> > Anyone know any reason I can't install Finale 2010 on a new mac, per
above?
> > Anyone know for sure that I can?
> >
> > Thanks,
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> From: J D Thomas <j...@thomastudios.com>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12
> To: finale@shsu.edu
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> Robert Patterson has brought this up many times, and I can attest to the
fact that it does indeed work:
>
> Run an older version of Mac OS on a virtual machine using Parallels (my
app of choice) or Fusion.  I have a VM with OS X Mountain Lion and I run a
couple of older versions of Finale for those times when I absolutely need
it.
>
> Granted you have to purchase another commercial application, but the
viable option is there.
>
> ***
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com>
wrote:
> >
> > You might be able to use migration assistant to migrate over
applications and users from an older Mac, but I?d say you should probably
upgrade to Finale 2014.5 at least.
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it?s not p

[Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. Want to buy a new computer, but don't want to upgrade to Finale
2012 (it doesn't back up as well as 2010) or 2014 (reading what you-all say
about it scares me to death).

Anyone know any reason I can't install Finale 2010 on a new mac, per above?
Anyone know for sure that I can?

Thanks,
   Mike
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[Finale] Program Function Keys on Mac

[Michael Dutka]

Just a quick follow-up in case it's helpful to other folks.

Downloaded Keyboard Maestro for $36, and it worked perfectly.

Programmed F1 - F4 as layers 1 - 4, F5 to favor sharps in enharmonic
spelling and F6 to favor flats.

Then programmed F7 as Speedy Entry, F8 as dynamics, F9 SmartShape, F10
articulation, F11 as lyrics and F12 text.

I think it'll significantly increase productivity. Thanks again for the
suggestion,

Mike
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[Finale] Program Function Keys on Mac

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. Running 2010 on a MacBook Pro whose hard drive just died and had
to be replaced (recovering my data, thank all that's holy).

When I bought it originally, I asked the technician to set up function keys
such that F1 - F4 were layers 1 - 4, F5 set preference for sharps and F6
for flats.

I_think he used a 3rd party program but I'm not 100% sure.

Obviously, with the hard drive replaced, I assume these functions are gone.

Do you other folks have similar setups? How did you create them - through a
3rd party program, and if so, which one?

Many thanks in advance,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Program Function Keys on Mac

[Michael Dutka]

Thanks, guys. Yes, I think I can figure out how to use the built in macro
functions, but I checked out Keyboard Maestro, and that looks great - just
what I need.

Much appreciated. Best,

Mike

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> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:54:34 -0800
> From: "j...@thomastudios.com" 
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Program Function Keys on Mac
> To: finale@shsu.edu
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> Keyboard Maestro.  It will do exactly what you want and much more.
>
> ***
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> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:31:27 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [Finale] Program Function Keys on Mac
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Layers are built into Finale now. Opt-cmd 1 is layer 1 (you can do it
with your thumb sideways and your index) then 2, 3, and 4 are predictable
enough?
>
> I use System Preferences>Keyboard>Shortcuts? App Shortcuts to make
certain F keys into preferences. No 3rd party required. Make sure you spell
the menu item properly, with caps and spaces exactly as is.
>
> Christopher
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[Finale] Instruments.txt?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. My 2011 Macbook Pro running Fin 2010 died. I got a new hard drive
and new logic board and reinstalled 2010.

Seems to be working ok, but when I try to create a new file with the Setup
Wizard, I get the following error message:

Finale could not start the Wizard because a necessary data file
(instruments.txt) could not be found in the Component Files folder.

I've searched for this file in Finder, and it doesn't seem to be there. Is
there any way to get this file without re-installing 2010? And if I do,
wouldn't I experience the same problem?

Any suggestions deeply appreciated,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt?

[Michael Dutka]

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 02:01:51 +0100
From: SN jef chippewa 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt?
To: 
Message-ID: <768478932.76549.1481331712...@email.1und1.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

check that your finale Preferences/Folders/Configuration Files (on F2014.5,
names are different on F2010) are set to look up the file in the right
place.

Thanks for your reply. Checked all the files and can't find a file anywhere
that looks like instruments.txt. Probably upgrading soon, just have a few
files to go before that and have all the instruments I need in existing
templates, so not crucial, but if there is a way to get that
instruments.txt file from 2010, be great to know.

Thanks again and best,
 Mike
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Re: [Finale] Reliable way to combine multiple files

[Michael Dutka]

Super unsophisticated user here, so please take this with a shaker-full of
salt, but I've been working on a long composition with a piano-reduction
that'll consist of 30 separate movements / .mus files.

Rather than combine files in Finale, my plan is to merely delete page
numbers from one set of files, then generate .pdf's of all 30 files.

Then I can combine the files and renumber the pages in Adobe Acrobat. I'll
have one long .pdf with page numbers from 1 to whatever, plus resetting
measure numbers in each movement that'll be completely consistent with the
measure numbers in the orchestra files.

If this is a good idea, happy to help, and if it's a bad idea, happy to be
told why.

FWIW. Best regards,
  Mike
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[Finale] Merging Documents Revisited (Robert Patterson)

[Michael Dutka]

>
>
> A few weeks ago I posed a question to the list about the best way to merge
> documents. I got some interesting responses. I was ultimately unsatisfied
> with the range of options available, so I decided give myself (and by
> extension, everyone else) some more.
>
> The result of these labors is included in a new release of my plugin
> collection 5.05. As part of the release, I included a documentation page on
> strategies for merging documents, including opting to merge PDFs instead. I
> think I included most of the ideas expressed in that thread, but if the
> collective wisdom of the list has suggestions, additions, or corrections, I
> would be interested in hearing them.
>
> The page is at:
>
> http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/-forcefull/-mergedoc/mergedoc.html
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>

Looks impressive, and based on the work you've done I can see why you
wouldn't consider merging .pdf's as an ideal solution.

I'm assuming all the Finale protocols as well as your plugin collection
treat rehearsal letters the same way as measure #'s, beginning again at
each new section.

Best,
Mike
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[Finale] NYC (or Philly) Recording Studio With Sound Library Recommendation?

[Michael Dutka]

Hope this is an appropriate query for this list group, withdrawn and
apologies if not.

Long story short, got permission from a publisher to turn a children's book
into an opera. Writing the opera, as we all know, was the easy part.

As a next step, I wanted a recording, so the publisher could include a CD
with the book, hopefully getting little people interested in opera at an
early age.

Used a recording engineer I'd worked with in the past, with a simple but
very rugged system that let him record human voices over enhanced
instruments generated from my MIDI files.

He said he had a new system that was 10x more sophisticated, so
sophisticated in fact that it was_terrible! And finally, it crashed, taking
all my voice recordings and all past work with it. So, I need to start from
scratch.

Need someone with the capacity to import my Finale (or MIDI) files, record
the (two) singers and produce .mp3's we could use for a final CD. The whole
piece is fairly short, 18 minutes, score for a standard orchestra
(woodwinds in pairs, 4 horns, 2 trumpets, 3 trombones and tuba, strings
and_lots of percussion).

And something hopefully not outrageously expensive, but I do need something
that'll sound professional, and I know I'll have to pay for it.

Ideally in NYC, but Philly could work as well. Any suggestions deeply
appreciated, thanks and best,

Mike
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[Finale] Restore Scrolling Arrows in Fin. 2010 on MacBook Pro

[Michael Dutka]

Hi folks. Long story short, my 2011 MacBook Pro crashed. They installed a
new hard drive and logic board, and got it back working_reasonably well.

Unfortunately, somehow those right and left scrolling arrows seem to have
disappeared. Went into Preferences and restored the scrolling bar, and
that's better than nothing, but those arrows were really useful. Been all
through Preferences, and I can't find a command to restore them.

Anybody have any ideas? Thanks and best,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt

[Michael Dutka]

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:02 +0100
From: Michael <launay-c...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [Finale] Instruments.txt?
To: <finale@shsu.edu>
Message-ID: <e2d67363-9d96-4b31-ad23-d2851f535...@gmx.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Instrument.txt did indeed disappear in Finale 2012, but you still need it
if you want to run 2010.

Michael Dutka: if you need a copy of this file for Finale 2010, I can send
you one: just let me know.

Best wishes,
Michael

That would be_so great. Thank you so much. My e-mail is mikedu...@gmail.com
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[Finale] Bowing Plug-In?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Reviewing a fairly large opera score, about 160 minutes of
music, and one thing that would be phenomenally helpful is some kind of
plug-in or app that would let Finale users see every up and down bow, even
when they're not written in.

The string players I've spoken to don't like it when I write in every
bowing mark, and ask me only to write them in when they're not obvious. But
it's easy for me (as a non-string player) to lose track, and possibly write
in a bad bowing combination, and we all know what working out problems
during rehearsals with live musicians costs.

Is there any such thing around? Anything one of you brilliant plug-in/app
writers would want to create? I, for one, would pay a lot of money for
something like that, and can't think I'm the only one.

Just curious. Thanks,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] . Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We Shall Overcome"

[Michael Dutka]

I sang with the New York Choral Society when we were the backup chorus for
his Carnegie Hall concerts.

Needless to say, we prepared like crazy for our first rehearsal with him.
Somehow, our first song didn't go well, and we were looking around,
wondering what was happening. Bob deCormier, our conductor, stopped the
rehearsal, and Pete Seeger told us he'd been working really hard on the
Clearwater Festival, he hadn't had a chance to practice as much as he
needed to be as prepared as we wanted to be, and he wanted to  apologize to
each and every one of us.

We just gave him a standing ovation. Not a guy who took himself too
seriously.

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   2. Re: Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We
  Shall Overcome" (Christopher Smith)
   3. Re: Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We
  Shall Overcome" (Chuck Israels)
   4. Re: Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 19:19:15 -0400
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Subject: [Finale] Interesting article on battle over copyright for "We
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[Finale] Repair Corrupted File?

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on Mac OSX 10.8.5.

Been working on my first full-length opera, and the Act IV Finale (no pun
intended) became, for want of a better word, corrupted.

When I try to play it, it takes several minutes to load. Since I'm one of
those, 'try this, play it, don't like it, try that, play it' type of
composers, that makes work on the file pretty odious.

I tried to export the file to .xml, and it keeps giving the message 'Error
while exporting MusicXML file [FILENAME] at part 22, measure 11."

Since that's somewhere in the string section (it doesn't seem to go by
staves), I tried deleting the entire string section, exported it, imported
it, and I get a file that loads and plays immediately.

Now I'm trying again with the original file, deleting strings section by
section / measure by measure to try to delete the measures with the error.

Is there any easier way to do this? Is there someone I could (gladly!) pay
to take my original corrupted file and send my back an uncorrupted file?

Any advice / suggestions deeply appreciated. Thanks and best,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Repair Corrupted File?

[Michael Dutka]

Thanks,  Robert. I'll give it a try.

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 15:41:31 -0400
From: Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Finale] Repair Corrupted File?
To: finale@shsu.edu
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Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on Mac OSX 10.8.5.

Been working on my first full-length opera, and the Act IV Finale (no pun
intended) became, for want of a better word, corrupted.

When I try to play it, it takes several minutes to load. Since I'm one of
those, 'try this, play it, don't like it, try that, play it' type of
composers, that makes work on the file pretty odious.

I tried to export the file to .xml, and it keeps giving the message 'Error
while exporting MusicXML file [FILENAME] at part 22, measure 11."

Since that's somewhere in the string section (it doesn't seem to go by
staves), I tried deleting the entire string section, exported it, imported
it, and I get a file that loads and plays immediately.

Now I'm trying again with the original file, deleting strings section by
section / measure by measure to try to delete the measures with the error.

Is there any easier way to do this? Is there someone I could (gladly!) pay
to take my original corrupted file and send my back an uncorrupted file?

Any advice / suggestions deeply appreciated. Thanks and best,

Mike


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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 14:50:42 -0500
From: Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
Subject: Re: [Finale] Repair Corrupted File?
To: finale <finale@shsu.edu>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

The first thing to try is File Maintenance. That might fix the problem. At
the very least you'll get a report. On the report is something called
"Frames". Hopefully that number is nowhere near 32767, otherwise you will
be having continuing troubles.

FWIW: Garritan, at least, starts much faster in Fin25 than some older
versions. I don't know about Fin10, though.


On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on Mac OSX 10.8.5.
>
> Been working on my first full-length opera, and the Act IV Finale (no pun
> intended) became, for want of a better word, corrupted.
>
> When I try to play it, it takes several minutes to load. Since I'm one of
> those, 'try this, play it, don't like it, try that, play it' type of
> composers, that makes work on the file pretty odious.
>
> I tried to export the file to .xml, and it keeps giving the message 'Error
> while exporting MusicXML file [FILENAME] at part 22, measure 11."
>
> Since that's somewhere in the string section (it doesn't seem to go by
> staves), I tried deleting the entire string section, exported it, imported
> it, and I get a file that loads and plays immediately.
>
> Now I'm trying again with the original file, deleting strings section by
> section / measure by measure to try to delete the measures with the error.
>
> Is there any easier way to do this? Is there someone I could (gladly!) pay
> to take my original corrupted file and send my back an uncorrupted file?
>
> Any advice / suggestions deeply appreciated. Thanks and best,
>
> Mike
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Re: [Finale] Tuplet in 6/8

[Michael Dutka]

I do that all the time, I've always used the dotted eighths, and I've never
had issues with musicians over that notation.

FWIW. Best,

Mike

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   1. Tuplet in 6/8 (Lee Dengler)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 11:18:05 -0400
From: "Lee Dengler" 
Subject: [Finale] Tuplet in 6/8
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hi All,

I am engraving a piece that is in 6/8.  There are places where the dotted
quarter beat is divided into 2.  I've seen scores where that is notated with
2 dotted eighth notes and I've seen notated as a 2 eighth note tuplet.
Which is correct or can either be used?  Thanks to anyone who can offer
their advice.

Lee Dengler

leedeng...@comcast.net 





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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 11:28:31 -0500
From: Robert Patterson 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Tuplet in 6/8
To: finale 
Message-ID:

Re: [Finale] Bowing Plug-in

[Michael Dutka]

Wow! Been painstakingly plotting out my bowings ever since I learned how to
do that in college, and hearing I've been wasting my time all these years.

That'll certainly save me time and trouble in the future. Another feature I
really would like, but I'll ask in another post.

Thanks for the feedback,

Mike

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>2. Re: Bowing Plug-In? (David H. Bailey)
>3. Re: Bowing Plug-In? (Neal Gittleman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:14:19 -0400
> From: Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Finale] Bowing Plug-In?
> To: finale@shsu.edu
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>
> Hi, folks. Reviewing a fairly large opera score, about 160 minutes of
> music, and one thing that would be phenomenally helpful is some kind of
> plug-in or app that would let Finale users see every up and down bow, even
> when they're not written in.
>
> The string players I've spoken to don't like it when I write in every
> bowing mark, and ask me only to write them in when they're not obvious. But
> it's easy for me (as a non-string player) to lose track, and possibly write
> in a bad bowing combination, and we all know what working out problems
> during rehearsals with live musicians costs.
>
> Is there any such thing around? Anything one of you brilliant plug-in/app
> writers would want to create? I, for one, would pay a lot of money for
> something like that, and can't think I'm the only one.
>
> Just curious. Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:56:51 -0400
> From: "David H. Bailey" <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Bowing Plug-In?
> To: finale@shsu.edu, Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com>
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> On 8/15/2017 3:14 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:
> > Hi, folks. Reviewing a fairly large opera score, about 160 minutes of
> > music, and one thing that would be phenomenally helpful is some kind of
> > plug-in or app that would let Finale users see every up and down bow,
> even
> > when they're not written in.
> >
> > The string players I've spoken to don't like it when I write in every
> > bowing mark, and ask me only to write them in when they're not obvious.
> But
> > it's easy for me (as a non-string player) to lose track, and possibly
> write
> > in a bad bowing combination, and we all know what working out problems
> > during rehearsals with live musicians costs.
> >
> > Is there any such thing around? Anything one of you brilliant plug-in/app
> > writers would want to create? I, for one, would pay a lot of money for
> > something like that, and can't think I'm the only one.
> >
> > Just curious. Thanks,
> >
>
>
> Give a violin part to 10 violinists to bow and you'll get 10 different
> sets of bowing.
>
> There's no single way of bowing that everybody would agree on so no
> plug-in would ever work.
>
> The best a plug-in could do would be to indicate alternating up and down
> bows on each articulated note in sequence and indicate a single bowing
> at the start of a slur.  But I'm not sure why you would want such a
> plug-in, since no matter what you indicate the concertmaster will change
> it.
>
> Best to leave the bowings unmarked unless there is something you
> definitely want on an up-bow or a down-bow.  And mark those sparingly.
> Leave such things to the people who will be playing the parts.
>
>
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> David H. Bailey
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>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:37:56 -0500
> From: Neal Gittleman <nealg...@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Bowing Plug-In?
> To: finale@shsu.e

[Finale] Problems Printing 11 x 17

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running 2010 on OSX 10.8.5 (and yes, planning to upgrade as soon
as I finish my current project).

Trying to print 11 x 17 scores, and but when I do, I get the error message
that some of the pages don't fit the size of the paper in the printer.
Pretty sure it's a Finale issues, not a printer interface, because I get
the same error message even if I try to generate a .pdf with no printer
selected.

The Page Size settings in the Page Layout menu look right - Tabloid Width
11 Length 17.

Is there some other setting that could be interfering? Any advice,
recommendations?

Many thanks, and best regards,

Mike
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[Finale] Expression Problem

[Michael Dutka]

Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on a 2011 MacBook Pro OSX 10.8.5.

Did one little thing a few days ago that's caused no end of trouble. I
moved an expression (tempo) marking from the middle of a score to the
front. Ever since then, I've been experiencing strange problems with the
expression tool and playback.

For one thing, the first eighth of a beat of every measure doesn't sound.
Music that I wrote before that plays correctly, but if I try to input new
music into an existing file, the minute I change the tempo assignment, the
same problem recurs.

I can compensate by adding an extra blank measure at the beginning of each
piece, but then I have to delete it to print, and it's really annoying.

Also, the expression tool itself started malfunctioning. In some new files,
changing tempo markings has no effect on tempo - I can set q=63, 72, 112
and it makes no difference.

I've shut down and restarted the program, rebooted the computer, and
nothing helps.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Any ideas on how to fix it?

I'm assuming that uninstalling and reinstalling the program will restore
original settings, but I'd be extremely grateful for any other advice or
suggestions.

Many thanks in advance and best regards,

Mike
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Re: [Finale] Expression Problem

[Michael Dutka]

Hi David and thanks for your reply. Sorry I didn't make that clear. I
dragged the expression marking from its original location to the beginning
of the piece. I_think I remember which file that was (working against a
deadline, putting out lots of files every week), but now, any new file I
create experiences the same problem, likewise any old file once I change
the tempo marking.

But hey, couldn't hurt - I'll try to find the original file and delete and
re-enter the tempo marking to see if that solves the problem.

Best,
Mike

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 4:59 PM, David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> On 5/9/2018 3:34 PM, Michael Dutka wrote:
>
>> Hi, folks. Running Finale 2010 on a 2011 MacBook Pro OSX 10.8.5.
>>
>> Did one little thing a few days ago that's caused no end of trouble. I
>> moved an expression (tempo) marking from the middle of a score to the
>> front. Ever since then, I've been experiencing strange problems with the
>> expression tool and playback.
>>
>>
> When you say you "moved an expression (tempo) marking from the middle of a
> score to the front" do you mean that you deleted it from where it was in
> the middle of the score and then re-entered it at the start, or do you mean
> that you simply dragged it all the way from where you originally entered
> it?  Have you deleted the offending marking and tried to play the piece
> without it?
>
> [snip]
>
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