Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
I haven't timed the exact duration of eps. export, but I've seen it take around 8-10 seconds per page on big scores. About 4-5 seconds is what I estimate it takes for normal sized music. Le 05-03-22, à 00:06, Paul Hayden a écrit : Éric Dussault Eric Dussault wrote: EPS export takes forever on ANY system. I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz with 1 GB of Ram, and it doesn't make any difference. ...and Hiroaki Honshuk wrote: Did I tell you I bought G5 Dual 2.5GHz a month ago? How long does it take you gentlemen to export one page from a score or part? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
EPS export takes forever on ANY system. How long does it take you gentlemen to export one page from a score or part? 10 years and still waiting. Richard Yates Finale for Windows 2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
On Mar 22, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Paul Hayden wrote: How long does it take you gentlemen to export one page from a score or part? I was interested in this thread, as I have an aging G4 733 mHz with Panther, so I did a test (FinMac 2005a). To print to PDF, from the time I press OK to the time that the status box disappears: For one 8-1/2 X 11 page of a very dense score for big band, just short of 4 seconds. For all 37 pages of the same dense score, 1 minute 29 seconds, or a little over 2 seconds a page. That is acceptable to me, given the age of my computer. I remember Adobe Distiller in System 9 on this same machine as much zippier, but that WAS a two-stage process, after all. Perhaps the heavy lifting was done during the EPS exportation. Is it really that much faster on 2.5 gig dual-processor behemoth? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
On Mar 22, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Mar 22, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Paul Hayden wrote: How long does it take you gentlemen to export one page from a score or part? I was interested in this thread, as I have an aging G4 733 mHz with Panther, so I did a test (FinMac 2005a). To print to PDF, from the time I press OK to the time that the status box disappears: For one 8-1/2 X 11 page of a very dense score for big band, just short of 4 seconds. For all 37 pages of the same dense score, 1 minute 29 seconds, or a little over 2 seconds a page. Sorry, I didn't realise we were talking about postscript export. I went back and performed an EPS export on the same file. Here are my results: I page, about 2 seconds. It was hard to time it accurately, as I am sure I was seeing some screen work as well. All 37 pages, about 58 seconds. It would appear that the EPS export is indeed the heavy lifting, whereas the PDF creation is comparatively quicker. Hope this compares favourably. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
On Mar 22, 2005, at 6:54 AM, Richard Yates wrote: EPS export takes forever on ANY system. How long does it take you gentlemen to export one page from a score or part? 10 years and still waiting. Richard Yates Finale for Windows 2005 Aw, that sounded so pathetic; I feel really bad for you guys. So bad, in fact, that I will make you an offer. If you are really stuck and need EPS output, you can send me the file, and I will export a Postscript file for you on FinMac 2005 and send it back. You would have to tell me the page size and orientation, I think. The only thing that might snag me is if you have custom fonts, so we would have to watch out for that. The offer would also be dependent on my availability, so count on up to a couple of days turnaround. We can try a test on one file first, to make sure everything works. You can buy me a beer if I ever come to your town. I could do the same thing with PDFs, but I have my doubts about Finale's PDF output. I haven't gotten any complaints yet (in fact, everyone raves about how easy and beautiful it is to get parts from me this way) but I suspect that some PDF's are fuzzier than Finale's direct printer output. Does anyone have any info about that possibility? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
I wrote: 1. Finale 2005 will probably not work with Tiger, correct? Don Hart wrote: I'm not sure exactly why you assume this. I am by no means any sort of expert on the subject, but I believe the initial leap from system 9 to system X presented the biggest hurdle for Finale, and that shouldn't be the case now on any sort of regular basis. True, I guess. But weren't there a few Jaguar apps that wouldn't work correctly in Panther? I wrote: 4. I think I should order the Power Mac G5 before Tiger comes out (i.e., soon!), since I have this project due in September. Does this sound like a good idea? Darcy James Argue wrote: No, that's actually a very bad idea, because then you will have to pay an extra $129 for Tiger when it is released. If you hold off buying your new Mac until 10.4 is released, you will get 10.4 for free -- it will be preinstalled on your computer. I had thought that Apple might have an Up-To-Date program where I could upgrade to Tiger for $20 if I bought a Power Mac just before Tiger was released. I called Apple today but they are noncommittal about whether they will do this. Eric Dussault wrote: EPS export takes forever on ANY system. I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz with 1 GB of Ram, and it doesn't make any difference. ...and Hiroaki Honshuk wrote: Did I tell you I bought G5 Dual 2.5GHz a month ago? How long does it take you gentlemen to export one page from a score or part? Hiroaki Honshuk wrote: If you wait for a machine that doesn't run Panther, and you find some of your app won't run reliably with Tiger, you are done. Could you still install Panther alongside Tiger and then pick which one you want to start up with? Paul Hayden -- Magnolia Music Press http://www.paulhayden.com 6319 Riverbend Blvd. Baton Rouge, LA 70820 Fax (by arrangement) Voice: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
I currently own: Power Mac G4 (500 MHz) OS X 10.3.5 Finale 2004c EPS export on this system takes forever, which is one of the reasons I'm going to get a new Power Mac G5 soon. I have an orchestral score and parts due September 1, 2005, for which I'd like to use the new Power Mac G5. If anyone can shed any light on the following questions, I would appreciate it: 1. Finale 2005 will probably not work with Tiger, correct? 2. Do you think it's more likely that MM will update Fin05 for Tiger, or that it will just include that compatibility with Fin06? 3. Any idea when Fin06 will likely ship? 4. I think I should order the Power Mac G5 before Tiger comes out (i.e., soon!), since I have this project due in September. Does this sound like a good idea? TIA. Paul Hayden -- Magnolia Music Press http://www.paulhayden.com 6319 Riverbend Blvd. Baton Rouge, LA 70820 Fax (by arrangement) Voice: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
on 3/20/05 2:34 PM, Paul Hayden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I currently own: Power Mac G4 (500 MHz) OS X 10.3.5 Finale 2004c EPS export on this system takes forever, which is one of the reasons I'm going to get a new Power Mac G5 soon. I have an orchestral score and parts due September 1, 2005, for which I'd like to use the new Power Mac G5. If anyone can shed any light on the following questions, I would appreciate it: 1. Finale 2005 will probably not work with Tiger, correct? I'm not sure exactly why you assume this. I am by no means any sort of expert on the subject, but I believe the initial leap from system 9 to system X presented the biggest hurdle for Finale, and that shouldn't be the case now on any sort of regular basis. 2. Do you think it's more likely that MM will update Fin05 for Tiger, or that it will just include that compatibility with Fin06? Again, aside from relatively minor compatibility issues of a normal variety, my expectations for 2005 would be that it's ready to go in Tiger right away. 3. Any idea when Fin06 will likely ship? According to past experience in recent years late summer. 4. I think I should order the Power Mac G5 before Tiger comes out (i.e., soon!), since I have this project due in September. Does this sound like a good idea? TIA. If it were me, knowing what I already know from using 2005 on a G5 with 10.3.8 and using it the way I do, I'd say get the machine right away. I don't, however, really do anything with EPS export. Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
On 20 Mar 2005, at 3:34 PM, Paul Hayden wrote: 1. Finale 2005 will probably not work with Tiger, correct? I would be very surprised if it did not. Finale 2004 and 2005 both work on Mac OS X 10.2.x and newer -- there's no reason why anyone should expect that 10.4 will break compatibility with these versions. (Which isn't to say it couldn't happen, but it's still pretty unlikely.) 2. Do you think it's more likely that MM will update Fin05 for Tiger, or that it will just include that compatibility with Fin06? I doubt there will be any further updates to Fin2005 after Fin2005b. I would expect Fin2006 to work on Jaguar (10.2), Panther (10.3), and Tiger (10.4). 3. Any idea when Fin06 will likely ship? The updates usually ship in July or August. If Coda follow the model they set out with Fin2005, both PC and Mac versions will ship at the same time on the same CD-ROM. 4. I think I should order the Power Mac G5 before Tiger comes out (i.e., soon!), since I have this project due in September. Does this sound like a good idea? No, that's actually a very bad idea, because then you will have to pay an extra $129 for Tiger when it is released. If you hold off buying your new Mac until 10.4 is released, you will get 10.4 for free -- it will be preinstalled on your computer. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
On 20 Mar 2005, at 6:06 PM, Eric Dussault wrote: EPS export takes forever on ANY system. I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz with 1 GB of Ram, and it doesn't make any difference. I think you'd find otherwise if you actually did timed benchmarks of your system versus Paul's system (500 MHz G4). Sure, it will still take forever, but there are different degrees of forever. Paul should get a new system regardless of the EPS export issue. 500 MHz G4 is far too slow to run Finale effectively in OS X. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
EPS export takes forever on ANY system. I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz with 1 GB of Ram, and it doesn't make any difference. If you have a big score with all the parts to link with eps, prepare yourself for the worst, it will take a huge amount of your precious time, not even considering the annoying eps export font warning. Even with its great new features, The workflow problems with 2004 force me to use Fin 2002b and 2003a for most of my work. If you think it will make a difference to get a new Mac in term of speed in eps export, you will be disapointed. Éric Dussault Le 05-03-20, à 15:34, Paul Hayden a écrit : EPS export on this system takes forever, which is one of the reasons I'm going to get a new Power Mac G5 soon. I have an orchestral score and parts due September 1, 2005, for which I'd like to use the new Power Mac G5. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
Le 05-03-20, à 18:18, Darcy James Argue a écrit : On 20 Mar 2005, at 6:06 PM, Eric Dussault wrote: EPS export takes forever on ANY system. I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz with 1 GB of Ram, and it doesn't make any difference. I think you'd find otherwise if you actually did timed benchmarks of your system versus Paul's system (500 MHz G4). Of course your're right. I wasn't meaning that he shouldn't get a new mac, only that he should not expect it to reach pre-2004 eps export speed and productivity. Saying that it doesn't make ANY difference on my set-up was certainly over-stated from my part. Éric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
on 3/20/05 2:34 PM, Paul Hayden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I currently own: Power Mac G4 (500 MHz) OS X 10.3.5 Finale 2004c EPS export on this system takes forever, which is one of the reasons I'm going to get a new Power Mac G5 soon. I have an orchestral score and parts due September 1, 2005, for which I'd like to use the new Power Mac G5. If anyone can shed any light on the following questions, I would appreciate it: 1. Finale 2005 will probably not work with Tiger, correct? 2. Do you think it's more likely that MM will update Fin05 for Tiger, or that it will just include that compatibility with Fin06? 3. Any idea when Fin06 will likely ship? 4. I think I should order the Power Mac G5 before Tiger comes out (i.e., soon!), since I have this project due in September. Does this sound like a good idea? TIA. I recently migrated from a relatively slow G4 to a 2.5GHz G5 and the difference is spectacular. Finale fairly whizzes along. I've no reason to suppose that Finale won't be compatible with Tiger. In the past it didn't have problems going from OS7 to 8 or 9. I think ordering the G5 soon makes sense. You'll zip through your new score and parts. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
Darcy James Argue / 05.3.20 / 05:37 PM wrote: No, that's actually a very bad idea, because then you will have to pay an extra $129 for Tiger when it is released. If you hold off buying your new Mac until 10.4 is released, you will get 10.4 for free -- it will be preinstalled on your computer. Hmm, I have nothing personally against you, Darcy. In fact, I am even looking forward to come hear your band sometime. But we are constantly having opposite opinions. I just can't expect to work with Tiger right away. I stop subscribing ADC so I have to make line to get Tiger on the release date, which I did for Panther, but I keep it on my play-ground partition, while I still use Panther for my real jobs. That has been the way it is. It has been my policy that I do not trust anything first generation comes from Apple. If you wait for a machine that doesn't run Panther, and you find some of your app won't run reliably with Tiger, you are done. For my line of work, Tiger is introducing multiple CA instances. This will give some impact on DAW, that is my bread and butter. I don't expect I will be working under Tiger right away. P.S. Did I tell you I bought G5 Dual 2.5GHz a month ago? Boy. I used to print X-Noise, or I get CPU choke-up. Yesterday, I actually instantiated 12 X-Noise in real-time, and cpu hit is still 45%!!! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.4 Tiger
Hi Hiro, Paul said he wanted Tiger (OS X 10.4). I understand your reasons for *not* wanting to install Tiger right away, but Paul said he wants it. And if you did want Tiger, it would be a bad idea to buy a new computer now instead of after Tiger is released, because you'll end up having to pay $129 for the OS upgrade. That's all I'm saying. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Mar 2005, at 9:30 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 05.3.20 / 05:37 PM wrote: No, that's actually a very bad idea, because then you will have to pay an extra $129 for Tiger when it is released. If you hold off buying your new Mac until 10.4 is released, you will get 10.4 for free -- it will be preinstalled on your computer. Hmm, I have nothing personally against you, Darcy. In fact, I am even looking forward to come hear your band sometime. But we are constantly having opposite opinions. I just can't expect to work with Tiger right away. I stop subscribing ADC so I have to make line to get Tiger on the release date, which I did for Panther, but I keep it on my play-ground partition, while I still use Panther for my real jobs. That has been the way it is. It has been my policy that I do not trust anything first generation comes from Apple. If you wait for a machine that doesn't run Panther, and you find some of your app won't run reliably with Tiger, you are done. For my line of work, Tiger is introducing multiple CA instances. This will give some impact on DAW, that is my bread and butter. I don't expect I will be working under Tiger right away. P.S. Did I tell you I bought G5 Dual 2.5GHz a month ago? Boy. I used to print X-Noise, or I get CPU choke-up. Yesterday, I actually instantiated 12 X-Noise in real-time, and cpu hit is still 45%!!! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
