A-NO-NE Music wrote:
Darcy James Argue / 2005/08/02 / 12:40 PM wrote:
so use AU! It's a huge improvement
over GPO Studio.
Not to nitpicking but just to be technically correct, I think it is less
confusing to say GPO Studio vs Finale Built-in GPO (I say FinGPO) since
Finale2006 is not
dhbailey / 2005/08/03 / 06:08 AM wrote:
How much harder would it have been to make Finale2006 a real VST/AU
host, and leave the choice of sample sets to the end user?
It is already AU host on Mac side (but not VST, and don't know about Win
side) the fact my FinMac2006 wants MachFive iLok on
A-NO-NE Music wrote:
dhbailey / 2005/08/03 / 06:08 AM wrote:
How much harder would it have been to make Finale2006 a real VST/AU
host, and leave the choice of sample sets to the end user?
It is already AU host on Mac side (but not VST, and don't know about Win
side) the fact my
I'm a big GPO fan, and I bit back in May or June and ordered the
upgrade. I've been looking forward to all the improvements.
I know MM is holding back the discs because of the Mac install prob,
but I'm a Win user (although I do prefer the disc be usable on both -
just in case a Mac comes
On Aug 2, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:Have you tried messing around with the Mass Mover tool and selecting measures with it? I and a couple of other people running the Mac version have seen lags with the tool. I have a 1.42 Gigahertz Mac Mini and a 933 G4. I did a transcription project
I use page view all the time to prepare songs or exercises for students.
Lon Price wrote:
On Aug 2, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Have you tried messing around with the Mass Mover tool and selecting
measures with it? I and a couple of other people running the Mac
version have
On Aug 2, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:On 02 Aug 2005, at 7:56 AM, Lon Price wrote: I just installed FinMac '06 tonight, and everything went without a hitch. I ran the preinstall app that MM provided, and ran the GPO update after installing Finale. Everything works. Since I have
On 03 Aug 2005, at 2:51 PM, Lon Price wrote:How are you getting these RAM reports? I'm using a freeware applet called MemoryCell from Rogue Amoeba:http://www.rogueamoeba.com/freebies/I'm using MenuMeters. It puts RAM (used-unused) and CPU (percent for each processor) numbers in the menu bar.I
On Aug 3, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:On 03 Aug 2005, at 2:51 PM, Lon Price wrote:How are you getting these RAM reports? I'm using a freeware applet called MemoryCell from Rogue Amoeba:http://www.rogueamoeba.com/freebies/I'm using MenuMeters. It puts RAM (used-unused) and CPU
I definitely think it's worth a lot.
I am just having too much fun with it.
I too was never able to compose with computer before in my life. I
always needed to sit down in front of piano with pencil and paper, but I
jut wrote second movement of the one I wrote yesterday.
A-NO-NE Music wrote:
I definitely think it's worth a lot.
I am just having too much fun with it.
I too was never able to compose with computer before in my life. I
always needed to sit down in front of piano with pencil and paper, but I
jut wrote second movement of the one I wrote yesterday.
2006 is really slow on OS X.
... on some machines - it's great on mine.
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On Aug 2, 2005, at 2:39 AM, dhbailey wrote:My knee-jerk reaction in the past would have been, "Yes, the upgrade is worth it, even if only for the below-the-surface improvements" but with this one I'm not sure. I just installed FinMac '06 tonight, and everything went without a hitch. I ran the
People have been saying GPO is not that better from FinSoundFont, but
how HP is customized for GPO really counts.
I mean, I have written two sequences with Fin2006 in two nights so far,
and the second one even doesn't have almost nothing but note entries.
Comparison playback between FinGPO and
I also don't agree that the samples are that much better than the
soundfont.
I'm totally aghast - to me it's as plain as a slap in the face, they're hugely
better. Can you honestly listen to Hiro or Jaris recording and tell me the
SoundFont sounds better than that?
Actually - maybe it's my
Simon Troup wrote:
I also don't agree that the samples are that much better than the
soundfont.
I'm totally aghast - to me it's as plain as a slap in the face,
they're hugely better. Can you honestly listen to Hiro or Jaris
recording and tell me the SoundFont sounds better than that?
Wow, you missed the boat. You could have gotten the FULL version of GPO
back in May when they were doing that group buy. That was the best
productivity software purchase I made this year. $129 or something. FULL
GPO.
If Finale 2006 had speed increases, it would have been worth it. If it
had
Have you tried messing around with the Mass Mover tool and selecting
measures with it? I and a couple of other people running the Mac version
have seen lags with the tool. I have a 1.42 Gigahertz Mac Mini and a 933 G4.
Lon Price wrote:
3. I completed a Mozart Minuet and Trio, arranged for
And what would your machine be then?
Simon Troup wrote:
2006 is really slow on OS X.
... on some machines - it's great on mine.
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Hiro:
Once again, I'm really liking the sounds. Please clarify, you are
using only the FinGpo, yes? Not the full GPO?
Dean
On Aug 1, 2005, at 11:50 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
FinMac2006 HP is doing great job with FinGPO here.
Did I say I am having too much fun?
Darn, I have a couple
There's nothing wrong with me for liking the soundfont trombone
better, and there's nothing wrong with Tyler preferring the GPO
trombone tone.
Hi David, don't get me wrong - that's not what I'm saying or impying. It's just
that my view of the difference leads me to think that it transcends
If Finale 2006 had speed increases
Sorry to repeat this again, but I'm defineately getting speed improvement on my
G5 dual 2Ghz. I'm thinking that for those with more powerful graphics etc the
core graphics update is working really well.
Simon Troup
Digital Music Art
Ok, fine. So you have a Dual G5. The rest of us probably don't have
that. There is no reason why Finale 2006 should be slow doing something
like selecting a measure using the mass mover tool. There is a delay. No
such delay existed in 2005.
Simon Troup wrote:
If Finale 2006 had speed
On 02 Aug 2005, at 7:56 AM, Lon Price wrote:
I just installed FinMac '06 tonight, and everything went without a
hitch. I ran the preinstall app that MM provided, and ran the GPO
update after installing Finale. Everything works. Since I have the
full version of GPO, I really can see no need
On 02 Aug 2005, at 12:32 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Ok, fine. So you have a Dual G5. The rest of us probably don't have
that. There is no reason why Finale 2006 should be slow doing
something like selecting a measure using the mass mover tool. There is
a delay. No such delay existed in 2005.
Yeah. I just went through the MakeMusic forum:
http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6p=2m=121078
And there are people there experiencing the same issues.
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Well, the redraw *is* much faster in Fin2006 (when advancing pages,
etc). But you're right, this very
On 02/08/05, Simon Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Finale 2006 had speed increases
Sorry to repeat this again, but I'm defineately getting speed improvement
on my G5 dual 2Ghz. I'm thinking that for those with more powerful
graphics etc the core graphics update is working really well.
If Finale 2006 had speed increases
Sorry to repeat this again, but I'm defineately getting speed
improvement on my G5 dual 2Ghz. I'm thinking that for those with
more powerful graphics etc the core graphics update is working
really well.
Ok, fine. So you have a Dual G5. The rest of
On Aug 2, 2005, at 9:45 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Darcy:
While you may be available ... I think I'm shopping for a new iMac
today, as previously discussed. A few last (I hope) questions.
When loading data via FireWire to the new Mac, will the following items
be uploaded without
CoreGraphics is a Tiger (10.4 to the uninitiated) improvement, right?
That could explain the lag some of us stuck in 10.3 are seeing in
FinMac2k6.
Good point!
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On 02 Aug 2005, at 1:00 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 02/08/05, Simon Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Finale 2006 had speed increases
Sorry to repeat this again, but I'm defineately getting speed
improvement
on my G5 dual 2Ghz. I'm thinking that for those with more powerful
graphics etc
Oh stop. Stop with the bleeding you need more horse power crap.
If I, and a lot of other people, including people who are using Dual G5s
see a lag or delay in just selecting a damn measure, then there is a
problem. I expect simple things, like this, to remain at the same speed,
not to get
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/
I'm not sure highlighting a measure and then highlighting another
measure is something core image handles. Screen redraws, yes. Simple
user interface things...I don't think so. Then explain why 2005 can
select measures without any lag?
Redraw -- actually drawing the music, like when you advance pages in
Page View -- is *much* faster in Fin2006. There are other problems
that hamper Fin2006 productivity (like the laggy Mass Edit tool), but
actual redraw speed is much improved.
I'm not getting the bug I don't think. Can
Oh stop. Stop with the bleeding you need more horse power crap.
Touchy :)
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http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6m=121078
Check that out.
Also, the thing I experience is just using the Mass Mover tool. Select a
measure in page view, hold down the shift, and select another measure.
There is a lag there. And at least one other Dual G5 user experiences it.
Simon
Simon,
You have to imagine an exponentially larger delay on slower machines,
both in selecting and deselecting measures. This bug is very real, and
the people at Coda know about it and want to fix it.
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On 02 Aug 2005, at 1:18 PM, Simon Troup
No, not at all. It is just that other people are having the same problem
as I, and they have machines as fast as yours. Throwing more horsepower
at it isn't always the way to fix something. Go read the FinaleMusic
forum. There seem to be some rather serious 2006 performance issues.
Simon
At 12:45 PM -0400 8/2/05, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 02 Aug 2005, at 12:32 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Ok, fine. So you have a Dual G5. The rest of us probably don't have
that. There is no reason why Finale 2006 should be slow doing
something like selecting a measure using the mass mover tool.
http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6m=121078
Check that out.
Also, the thing I experience is just using the Mass Mover tool.
Select a measure in page view, hold down the shift, and select
another measure. There is a lag there. And at least one other Dual G5
user experiences it.
Brad Beyenhof schrieb:
CoreGraphics is a Tiger (10.4 to the uninitiated) improvement, right?
That could explain the lag some of us stuck in 10.3 are seeing in
FinMac2k6.
No, Core Graphics was introduced with 10.2 I believe. This is not the
reason.
Johannes
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No, not at all. It is just that other people are having the same
problem as I, and they have machines as fast as yours. Throwing more
horsepower at it isn't always the way to fix something. Go read the
FinaleMusic forum. There seem to be some rather serious 2006
performance issues.
Brad was mixing up CoreImage and CoreGraphics.
It's CoreImage which is new to Tiger:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/
- Darcy
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On 02 Aug 2005, at 1:20 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Brad Beyenhof schrieb:
CoreGraphics is a Tiger (10.4 to
Simon Troup wrote:
Eric, firstly, at the end of email I stated that I was thinking about the GPO thing, and how we are looking basically at the latest sampling technology.
Running Logic and all that AU stuff you just need a faster machine, I had to up
my RAM by 2GB just to use the BFD drum
Blanket Statement:
If you have a newer, Dual G5 with a lot of ram, then this update is for you.
If you have a Mac Mini, or any older Mac, which ran Finale 2005 fine,
this update is NOT for you until they fix some problems. Stay on 2005 or
earlier.
Good enough?
Simon Troup wrote:
Please don't make this rumour continue. CoreGraphics as utilized by
Finale is not new in 10.4. It was there much earlier.
Johannes
Simon Troup schrieb:
CoreGraphics is a Tiger (10.4 to the uninitiated) improvement, right?
That could explain the lag some of us stuck in 10.3 are seeing in
Eric Dannewitz schrieb:
Good! However, how did this slip by the beta testers? Are they all on
Dual G5s or something?
No, it didn't slip by us, but our influence on such things aren't as big
as you might expect. A lot of beta testers were very unhappy about this.
Johannes
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Simon Troup schrieb:
Which is kind of my point, you're making blanket statements about Fin
2006 being slower, which is patently not true as it's not affecting
me, or probably anyone else with a machine that can harness the core
graphics stuff.
Sorry, Simon, but you are wrong. I have an
Consider yourself lucky then. The rest of us Mac users seem to be in
a lag zone. I'm not interested in bug fixing for Coda/MakeMusic or
whatever. They are supposedly aware of it. They better fix it, and
soon.
OK if that's your attitude, I'm interested in trying to solve problems. The
fact
Simon Troup wrote:
There's nothing wrong with me for liking the soundfont trombone
better, and there's nothing wrong with Tyler preferring the GPO
trombone tone.
Hi David, don't get me wrong - that's not what I'm saying or impying.
It's just that my view of the difference leads me to think
Blanket Statement: If you have a newer, Dual G5 with a lot of ram,
then this update is for you.
If you have a Mac Mini, or any older Mac, which ran Finale 2005 fine,
this update is NOT for you until they fix some problems. Stay on 2005
or earlier.
Good enough?
Yeah lovely :)
Simon
So this was a known concern before 2006 shipped?
Wow. My jaw has dropped. That is totally irresponsible.
On a side note, I have been emailing Brian from tech support. Here is
what he says:
Regarding the speed, yes, Finale 2006 has added more features than any
other version before ever has.
On 02 Aug 2005, at 2:11 PM, dhbailey wrote:
I definitely hear the difference. I just don't see what all the fuss
is about. Some of the GPO sounds are a bit better (strings) some are
worse (trombone, piano) to my ears.
You honestly like the SoundFont piano better than the GPO Steinway???
What do you want to solve? That we all should ditch all our existing
systems in favor of Dual G5 2.6s or something? Johannes said it was a
concern in the beta testing. He just said as much:
No, it didn't slip by us, but our influence on such things aren't as
big as you might expect. A lot of
What do you want to solve? That we all should ditch all our existing
systems in favor of Dual G5 2.6s or something?
As I said The fact that I'm not getting this could be a clue as to what the
problem is..
I'm really bored of this, you just want an argument.
Simon Troup
Digital Music Art
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 02 Aug 2005, at 2:11 PM, dhbailey wrote:
I definitely hear the difference. I just don't see what all the fuss
is about. Some of the GPO sounds are a bit better (strings) some are
worse (trombone, piano) to my ears.
You honestly like the SoundFont piano better
Not at all. I'm saying that it is a problem. You said you don't see it.
Thats fine. Good for you. Enjoy Finale 2006.
But then you say you want to fix it. How? I've told MacSupport what has
happened. What are YOU going to do to fix it? Or to get to the root of
the problem?
Look, the original
But then you say you want to fix it. How? I've told MacSupport what
has happened. What are YOU going to do to fix it? Or to get to the
root of the problem?
The first thing the developers are going to want to know is:
1) Who is affected?
2) What are they running?
3) Who is not affected?
4)
Eric, Simon wasn't saying he *liked* the problem. But in order for
Makemusic to fix this bug, it's helpful to have information about
systems on which it *doesn't* happen as well as those on which it
*does*. You and Simon are running the same application, so it stands
to reason that the
Title: RE: [Finale] Is upgrading worth it?
I hate to get involved in this very heated conversation but since you quote my post I thought I would give you a slight update on my tests.
I have seen a speed variance with the lag problem when selecting using Mass Mover and Smart Shape tool
I have seen a speed variance with the lag problem when selecting
using Mass Mover and Smart Shape tool with different files. I have
not figured out what the difference in the files is since there does
not seem to be any logic. Some large band score with lots of measures
give me lag and others
On 2 Aug 2005 at 11:26, dhbailey wrote:
I don't even like the sampled Steinway in the GPO, vastly preferring
the piano tone of the soundfont or of my Kurzweil PC2r module.
I listened to the GPO demos and thought the Steinway piano sounded
absolutely dreadful. It sounded like it was not
Title: RE: [Finale] Is upgrading worth it?
Thanks Simon for your interest but unfortunately I cannot distribute any of these files. I have found the same problem with an empty document as well so if your not seeing it then I am sure MM would like to know that and also know that you
On 2 Aug 2005 at 14:17, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 02 Aug 2005, at 2:11 PM, dhbailey wrote:
I definitely hear the difference. I just don't see what all the
fuss is about. Some of the GPO sounds are a bit better (strings)
some are worse (trombone, piano) to my ears.
You honestly
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
On a side note, I have been emailing Brian from tech support. Here is
what he says:
Regarding the speed, yes, Finale 2006 has added more features than any
other version before ever has. The amount of resources, processing
speed, and RAM that Finale needs has nearly
Fair enough, but I have a gig of ram on one machine (mini mac) and a gig
and a half on the other (933 G4).
No other programs are running. I'm doing a full score either. Just a sheet.
Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote:
From a previous post here or on the Finale forum, someone from
Darcy James Argue / 2005/08/02 / 12:40 PM wrote:
so use AU! It's a huge improvement
over GPO Studio.
Not to nitpicking but just to be technically correct, I think it is less
confusing to say GPO Studio vs Finale Built-in GPO (I say FinGPO) since
Finale2006 is not really an AU (or VST on Win)
On 02 Aug 2005, at 9:40 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
Darcy James Argue / 2005/08/02 / 12:40 PM wrote:
so use AU! It's a huge improvement
over GPO Studio.
Not to nitpicking but just to be technically correct, I think it is
less
confusing to say GPO Studio vs Finale Built-in GPO (I say
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