Dear Lou and All,
Mark Burgin deserves credit for having started a discussion in which
contrasting points of view are clearly delineated, and where some new
convergences can appear. Karl critiques my views as philosophy, but says that
numbers support them. Arturo critiques Bruno's view of
Information refers to changes in patterns of energy flow, some slow (frozen),
some fast, some quantitative and measurable, some qualitative and
non-measurable, some meaningful and some meaningless, partly causally effective
and partly inert, partly present and partly absent, all at the same
Dear Plamen,
I fully agree with your assessment of the downside of dataism. The necessary
counterbalance, though, cannot in my opinion come through using binary
operators (in the sense of Burgin/Brenner) such as capital and currency, where
the movement of ideas is involved. There is an implied
Dear Pedro and All,
If I go back to Pedro's original note, I see a further aspect which might be
worked into its discussion. There are no ideal meta-observers; we are all, to a
certain extent, both meta-observers of the discussion and participants in it.
This is not a simple vertical hierarchy.
Dear FISers,
With all due respect to Krassimir, Sung, and his son, it is becoming a matter
of scientific interest that statements by them and others to the effect that
"systematic research of what the 'shadows' are a part" has not been done are
made routinely. First of all, the logic in reality
Dear Pedro, Dear Terry,
Always an optimist, I was convinced that there could be a convergence of your
approaches and my Logic in Reality starting from the domain of absence. What
Pedro refers to as functional voids, needs, gaps,
deficiencies (absences) are all predominantly negative aspects of
Dear All,
As tragic events repeatedly show, their origin is often not the lack of
information in the simple sense, but the lack of structures (or structurations)
in people capable of implementing it. These structures or capacities are also
information in the complex sense, of course, but they
Dear Josh, Pedro, Chuan and All,
In Josh's original note and the subsequent comments on it, I see a
poetic
sensibility with which I fully empathize. I return, however, to four of
Josh's
expressions for I think require further discussion would be useful to
explicate the complex relations
Dear Chuan and All,
I reproduce Lewis Carroll's parody mentioned in Chuan's note for people who are
not very familiar with 'Alice': the parts of mathematics are
Ambition (Addition)
Distraction (Subtraction)
Uglification (Multiplication)
Derision (Division)
The humorous
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Dear Chuan,
thanks
Dear Chuan, Rafael and All,
There is a point in this exchange which perhaps should be addressed explicitly:
everybody knows that people differ in their capacity to appreciate poetry
emotionally. But we also differ in the capacity to appreciate the importance of
poetry and art for science; this
Dear All,
I think that the approach of Chuan - and that of Professor Zhong - to
intelligence is characterized by its TIMELESSNESS. On the one hand, it is the
newest, most forward-looking, taking into account the existence of the latest
technology. On the other, it ties back, through Chinese
Dear All,
I do not agree with this characterization, not to say caricature of my position
by Steven. To say that a problem is a language or cultural 'issue' is to fail
to give value to what Chuan's position offers that is unique. If Steven wants
precise differentiation, certainty, exact
Dear Krassimir and All,
I think what Zhao Chuan is trying to do is essential for progress in
Intelligence Science. We are all familiar with concrete scientific approaches,
and no-one is challenging their on-going necessity. However, their limitations
are also a scientific fact, and new
discussions of Terry's approach to
information in which the additional physics and its dynamic logic might be
explicitly taken into account.
Many thanks again,
Joseph
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Dear Pedro, Dear FISers,
Terrence Deacon has made a passionate plea for the proper consideration
of his approach to information science that his contribution merits. But this
consideration is only possible if he is willing to accept that some of his
positions may be contaminated with
processes (Wu again) involved.
Best wishes,
Joseph
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Objet : Re: [Fis] Fwd: Re: Concluding the Lecture?
Thanks to Joseph for this spirited rejoinder
Dear Colleagues,
John Collier is sufficiently well-known and respected in his fields not to mind
that one less good comment is attributed to him and allow its author, namely
me, to take the credit for it ;-).
John P.'s response, to MY question, then, was as broad as it was useful,
bringing out
Dear Colleagues,
The
area of debate as proposed by John P., although broad, seems to involve
a number of self-imposed restrictions that perhaps should be explicitly
referred to. Thus, neither John?s papers (please excuse me if I have
missed it), nor the postings so far, have addressed the
Dear Pedro,
Glad to hear from you. Your silence was, of course, expressive, containing much
information . . .
Now all of us will be waiting impatiently to learn about the the new, exciting
themes that were discussed at the Milton Keynes Conference.
Best wishes,
Joseph
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Dear Pedro, Dear FISers,
In our search for the foundations of information two years ago, we looked at
Michael Conrad's fluctuon model of the universe. We came to the conclusion, I
think, that 1) any coupling of fluctuations in the quantum vacuum to
thermodynamic entities (biological
Dear FIS Colleagues,
The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at the
University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's note. It
includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International Conference
on the Philosophy of Information to be held
Dear Koichiro,
With due respect for you and for the people you mention, there may be a fatal
error in the initial description of the key relationships you mention as
dichotomies. Unless, in all but the most trivial cases, you allow for
interaction and sharing of the effective dynamic
Dear Gordana,
There are for me many question marks in ascriptions of quantum properties to
complex cognitive phenomena. The inversion of perspective I propose. using
Deacon's term, is to see processes of superposition as common both to quantum
phenomena as simplified projections of mental
Dear Michel and FIS Colleagues,
This will be an interesting discussion, since the core nature and role of
information will be involved. Here is just one first point: to me, as a
chemist, chemical information is only secondarily an object capable of being
formalized, archived, etc. A
Dear John,
The reference you cited looks like essential reading and I have ordered it.
Thank you for calling it to our attention.
I believe, also, that the conventional view of meaning leads to its erasure,
and this exactly why a Derridean view of writing (and speech) is required in
which
Beth,
I like your summary. I see throughout it reference to the space of mystery as
something not actual, but that needs to be filled. You also refer to the
virtual and virtual entities and non-represented phenomenological elements.
My suggestion is to that the essential, causally necessary
Dear Stan,
This looks like a very useful tack and I am looking forward to reading about
it. My language for situations where context does not affect the
object-system interaction is that there is no adequate contradictorial relation
in the interaction, and classical logic applies.
We may
Dear Pedro,
I do not quite recognize myself in the statement:
Basically, their informational subject looks like the abstract, disembodied,
non-situated, classical observer, equipped in a
Cartesian austerity --and outside, just the Order or maybe the Disorder.
I thought my implicit observer
Dear Karl, Dear Loet,
Thank you both for your postings and the perspectives they provide. They leave
me with just two questions, and I am glad Karl does not want to close the
discussion so that I may ask for your and other views on them.
1. Does Loet's reply to Karl regarding frameworks for
Dear Ted,
I would like to believe that we are in the same business, that of seeking new
logical tools that describe reality, which is what my Logic in Reality,
mentioned here on and off purports to do. I suppose my logic is a
three-sorted logic, whose structural elements are the actual and
Dear Krassimir and All,
Please let me direct your attention to the following in Soeren's last note, as
well as Pedro's comment on Karl's system and Logic of Distinctions:
severe limitations to a view of information theory as a universal
glue, a universal predicate, a universal code
Dear Karl,
The assumption I would like to
check that we share is that existence and energy are primitive and numbers
something derived. When one moves from the quantum vacuum or singularity into
the thermodynamic world, as soon as change occurs, something is no longer
totally
Dear Olga and Laszlo.
Thank you for calling my attention to this area of research, of which I
personally was not aware, and for the invitation to participate in your
Conference.
Would it be too much, however, to ask if you could send us, rather than just a
bare invitation, a few
Dear Steven,
I have made a first reading of your text and am sympathetic to its
objectives. Three quick comments:
a) In 1947, Stephane Lupasco wrote: Logic is experience; experience is
logic. He then and I now in my rework of his theory Logic in Reality (2008)
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in (as lowest level semantic information is)
something complex and interactive.
Many thanks.
Best,
Joseph
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Dear Stan and Bob,
I am absolutely delighted to learn that you both had felt the need to
complexify the concept of self-organization. I would very much welcome more
on the dialectical approach that you have used, as I think it might have, in my
framework, further applications. These might be
Dear Friends,
I have been in transit between home in Switzerland and California where my
wife and I spend the winter and thus have just now looked at this emerging
exchange. It obviously requires more study, but three things jump out at me:
1.But the good thing is to be able to go down to
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