I wouldn't suggest you uptype to an IClosable interface. By doing so,
you loose access to all the members of the UIComponent. And having
access to super class's members is why you do inheritance in the first
place.
say:
class Sub extends UIComponent implements IClosable
var sub1:IClosable = new
Another good option would be to say ICloseable extends IUIComponent
b/c IUIComponent is a Flex interface defined for you that has most of
what you want.
-Ryan
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldn't suggest you uptype to an IClosable interface. By doing
as for me, developing web apps is really for dummies, i'd rather do
something interesting in molecular biology... (but unfortunately I got
this CS degree).
As for hiring, i think there is no big need for Phds - Google and
likes are big companies - they need soldiers too - to implement the
ideas
On Tuesday 12 Feb 2008, Max Frigge wrote:
I would need to have 2 children visible at the same time, so that
you can see the second child sliding in while the first one is
sliding out. Is that possible or am I on the wrong path?
You might want to look at the DistortionEffects package.
--
Tom
Hello,
I've developed a small flex module which I used inside flex project.
Now I want to allow different applications to use that module, so I
thought the best way to allow them using it is to distibute the module
in a flex library project.
However, when I put the library project in the source
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, Fidel Viegas wrote:
I never liked the other jdks. Don't know why.
Well, I mainly only use Sun's precisely because of this sort of thing - the
GNU one doesn't work.
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to continuously participate transparent data
on:
Hi,
i am having serious memory leak problems whilst using modules in flex.
The module-based application i am currently developing currently over
time kills the browser its loaded in.
Even when i attempt to load the simplest of modules (a module with a
few buttons/empty datagrids) my flex app
On Tuesday 19 Feb 2008, Paul Decoursey wrote:
For losers like me that have no idea what Office 2007 is like, are
there any real world examples that we can experience this with that
won't cost us our children?
The license PDF has many pictures.
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to conveniently
I think it's XML(dataProvider).descendants().(attributes(enabled) ==
true) that you want ? Not checked it but I think it's pretty close at
least.
-Original Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rafael Faria
Sent: 20 February 2008 05:55
To:
Tink did some work on a papervision 3d cube (and other) transition
effect on states, (or possibly viewstack, can't remember) which I think
has the same attribute - you can see both states at one time.
The source is on his site somewhere. http://www.tink.ws/blog/ , it may
give you some clues.
Last time I needed the scrollbars property of a component I found that
the scrollbar was protected - so had to extend the component itself and
add methods to get scrollbar width etc.
-Original Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Merrill, Jason
Thanks for this tip - i testet it and it works this way!
Can you also tell me how to iterate over the chart items of a bubble
chart? I tried this several times, but without sucess!
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, simonjpalmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
here's an idea if you have a strongly
Hello!
Can someone please help me! I need to change a propperty of an item in
my datagrid on the rollOver event, but i just don't know how to get it.
- Original Message -
From: b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:41 AM
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: do you need CS Degree to get a job?
No matter what everybody's saying, I'm finding a huge difference
between developers with formal
I have to say, I find the ribbon bar a joy to use.
there was very small adoption time, and I actually now work faster in
office than ever before. This really is (imho) something Microsoft UI
team has got exactly right. It's not just the UI but how passes
selections back to the application (every
I'm using the import WSDL tool in FB3 to generate my AS3 classes -
One of my methods has the following signature:
reverse( point : PointXY ) : void
In addition, the following PointZ subclass is generated
class PointZ extends PointXY
{
public var z : Number;
}
Whenever I call the
Having just sat and read the specs document over a cuppa, I'm even
more impressed with the Ribbon controller (fluid user interface). the
document is quit a piece of work. As i guessed in my last post, this
is worth a read just for some of the design ideas it puts across.
On Feb 20, 2008 12:02 PM, Glenn Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to say, I find the ribbon bar a joy to use.
there was very small adoption time, and I actually now work faster in
office than ever before. This really is (imho) something Microsoft UI
team has got exactly right. It's
Just plain old 0 worked fine. I just went back and checked the docs, they do
actually tell you to do that, but I doubt I ever would have seen it. Doesn't
really make sense, but you get that :)
-J
On Feb 20, 2008 5:02 PM, Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
try 0x0100, im not sure what other
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, Glenn Williams wrote:
I have to say, I find the ribbon bar a joy to use.
I think it eats too much space, and looks cluttered on small displays (like
what users have).
I'm reading their PDF anyway.
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to seamlessly promote value-added markets
Thanks for the hint. I found something that Tink calls
PairedStackEffect.. I have no time right no to try it out
but the example shows exactly what I was looking for.
For everyone else who is looking for this.. it can be found on
http://www.tink.ws/blog/pairedstackeffect-fade-squash/
Cheers,
LOL, ok i just read back my post. king of the typo!!
I meant to say microsoft...'it's just so easy to knock them'. sure you
got what i meant tho.
If its your first job in the field a degree will certainly help. After
that you had better have some good references and be able to code on the
spot. You also need to be personable in the interview (no small point).
I was a political philosophy major. It was the only degree I could find
that
hi all;
I need to develop a small text editor inside a big flex application.
call it expression editor.
the user can write javascript, xpath and should be able to add variables
(variables are taken from Model,so the user does not define variable,
just add reference).
the code should be
here is my implemented solution, may be useful for some others;
i have written an top page which include an iframe (width height 100%)
the first view calls javascript via external interface and it calls it's
parent,
saves the xml data;
then the parent navigates iframe to the other page, then the
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Karthik pothuri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Friends,
I am new member to this group.
Please drop your ideas on How to develop power point presentations in Flex
on web browser.
Microsoft powerpoint on web browser. To develop this which topics helps me
...
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, n3moncic wrote:
Actually it took me a while to understand that hitTestObject doesn't
work for me because both DisplayObjects may be rotated and
hitTestObject takes into consideration transparent pixels.
Ahh.
getObjectsUnderPoint() ?
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to
does it have to output to a true ppt file or are you just interested in
mimicking the functionality?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Karthik pothuri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*Friends,*
**
*I am new member to this group.*
**
*Please drop your ideas on How to develop power point
Thanks Peeyush and Tom.
It works now.
-Aasim
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Peeyush Tuli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The way you are doing it will do it only once, then the view is
refreshed to
original.
You need to override the protected method
updateDisplayList and then call
Hi,
my question is about basically pixel level collision.
lets say I have two Image display objects and I get it's bitmap Data
respectively for the first one and the 2nd one.
Below is the code
--
var shipBmpData:BitmapData = new
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, Dan Vega wrote:
be running the debugger version of Flash player right?
Are you running the most recent debug version ?
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to enormously expedite dynamic deliverables
on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com
Friends,
I am new member to this group.
Please drop your ideas on How to develop power point presentations in Flex
on web browser.
Microsoft powerpoint on web browser. To develop this which topics helps me ...
Help me..
Karthik..))
In Flex 3, one can use 'items' property on Series which is an array of
chartitems.
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, linko27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for this tip - i testet it and it works this way!
Can you also tell me how to iterate over the chart items of a bubble
chart? I tried
Hi there,
is there a way to determine all e.g. textareas within the current state?
cheers,
Nikolas
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Hi,
Firstly you need to map your AS objects to the Java objects (if you did this
already, ignore). Here is the link to details on how to map.
http://sujitreddyg.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/mapping-action-script-objects-to-java-objects/
to which component are you setting the dataprovider to? if it is
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If the presentation is relatively simple in design, OpenOffice 2.3
(maybe other lower versions) can export the presentation into a SWF format.
Derrick Anderson wrote:
does it have to output to a true ppt file or are you just interested in
Hi,
Background:
- a given folder
- many pictures in the folder (D1.jpg, D2.jpg, etc...screenshots genre)
Goal:
- automate the embedding of the pictures at compile time (for info, the
future SWF will latter show synchronised screenshots with an audio
recording)
Newbie problem:
- I know how to do
To my knowledge this is not possible Tom..
Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 Feb 2008, Max Frigge
wrote:
I would need to have 2 children visible at the same time, so that
you can see the second child sliding in while the first one is
sliding out. Is that possible or am I
Hi,
Have you come across a horizontal menu? The menu should have items
stacked horizontally next to each other rather than being stacked
vertically.
-Aasim
Hi all,
I am trying to add remove button and on the click calling a function
using outerdocument scope. This is the code...
--
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:VBox
i'm having a similar problem while debugging flex on linux (pardus)
sometimes the debugger lose connection, sometimes it can not connect;
but actually it is not deterministic ;(
Dan Vega wrote On 02/20/2008 04:19 PM:
I am trying to build a basic air app using Flex 3. I have been writing
some
Hi Tom Chiverton,
Actually it took me a while to understand that hitTestObject doesn't
work for me because both DisplayObjects may be rotated and
hitTestObject takes into consideration transparent pixels.
What do you think about pixel collision?
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, rajiv gupta wrote:
Access of undefined property valueObjects.Line 51
outerDocument.valueObjects ?
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to elementarily facilitate high-yield niches
on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com
You said that you extended UIComponent and included isClosed property in
your classes. The problem with the code is that, in your if statement you
included ((c is UIComponent).isClosed == true. When the compiler executes c
is UIComponent the object you get is Boolean and now it will try to invoke
Hi Paul,
Please try to follow the steps in the URL below and see if you can embed the
Flash assets into your flex application.
http://sujitreddyg.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/creating-and-importing-flash-assets-into-flex/
Hope this helps.
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Paul Decoursey [EMAIL
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, n3moncic wrote:
one of them is moving towards the other and when it is over it, it
should detect collision.
You don't need hitTest() here, do you, because you know where they both are
and their size... ?
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to paradigmatically lead
Hi,
Has anyone made a horizontal menu componnet which has the items
arranged horizontally rather than stacked vertically?
-Aasim
I am trying to build a basic air app using Flex 3. I have been writing some
Flex applications with no problem but when I goto debug my AIR app I am
having some issues. First off here is the basic code to create the app.
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:WindowedApplication
how do i find this out? Would I still be able to debug flex apps if I wasnt?
On Feb 20, 2008 9:36 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, Dan Vega wrote:
be running the debugger version of Flash player right?
Are you running the most recent debug version ?
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, Dan Vega wrote:
how do i find this out? Would I still be able to debug flex apps if I
wasnt?
Maybe not, based on my experience with the Builder's on Linux.
The most recent version is ..115. Right click any Flash content and
choose 'about'.
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping
Hi again,
but getObjectsUnderPoint() wouldn't that mean under a particular x y
point? It wouldn't be that accurate since a DisplayObject has many
points. What do you think?
It thought hitTest method would mean pixel level detection.
Thanks!
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Chiverton
In my simple test I see size changing from 241kb to 149kb. I would
suggest you log a bug at http://bugs.adobe.com/flex with your test case
Thanks,
Gaurav
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, lytvynyuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing happened, same size. That is mean, It didn't checks that
A lot of us are putting our 2 cents in. A few things that are getting lost
in the conversation (and I'm guilty of these as well).
1. As Doug pointed out, we're equating the ability to do the job with the
ability to get the job, which is not alway true.
2. Not all jobs are created equal. Some
There was a bug in flex 2.0.1 which prevented modules from getting
unloaded. This was fixed by changing to weak event listeners.
If you are seeing this with flex 2.0.1, please try flex 3.
Also you may want to try loading the module via the low level
ModuleManager api, this should give you
I don't have time to follow all the links but it looks like this post might
get you to the solution:
http://troygilbert.com/category/game-dev/
- Dan Freiman
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:01 AM, n3moncic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi again,
but getObjectsUnderPoint() wouldn't that mean under a
If you need to support the .ppt filetype, here is an excellent Joel Spolsky
article on that topic :
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html
Thanks,
Carl
Carl-Alexandre Malartre
Directeur de projets, Scolab
514-528-8066,
Sujit,
I've done exactly as you have in this blog with the exception of returning
one object at a time...instead i return a list of objects (in java List
resultList = new ArrayList();) .. so i guess i need a way to deserialize the
list on the Actionscript side is that the problem?
yes...i'm using
Which version of flex are you using? There were some related fixes in
flex 3 beta 3.
If you are seeing this with flex 3 beta 3, please log a bug at
http://bugs.adobe.com/flex with the test case.
Thanks,
Gaurav
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I am
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, Tom Chiverton wrote:
The most recent version is ..115. Right click any Flash content and
choose 'about'.
Although
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_19245sliceId=1
will also confirm it's a debug player.
Also, make sure Eclipse is launching the
Is there a way to validate a SWC? Or to see what classes are in them
and can be loaded by Flex?
On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Paul Decoursey wrote:
I've been having a lot of trouble lately with the Flex Comp Kit. I
can't seem to get even the simplest thing to be seen in Flex. I do
see
It seems a bit ridiculous but it's true. Not just that you have to use
all sorts of hacks to get access to good old TextField (IUITextField)
in Flex in order to even think of accessing characters' Rectangles.
Once you do manage to cut your way through, you get a very nasty
disappointment that
Thanks to this group, I have come a long way in understanding this. I
want to check my setup and see if I still have further to go. Is this
the preferred way to set up a dataprovider when pulling XML in E4X
format via HTTPService? Or do I still need to some how incorporate
XMLListCollection
I have 115 installed and ran the about test in both browsers.
Dan
On Feb 20, 2008 9:55 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 20 Feb 2008, Tom Chiverton wrote:
The most recent version is ..115. Right click any Flash content and
choose 'about'.
Although
Thanks very much,
I will take it a look.
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Freiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have time to follow all the links but it looks like this
post might
get you to the solution:
http://troygilbert.com/category/game-dev/
- Dan Freiman
On Wed, Feb
The idea behind modules is to make your main app smaller (by breaking
into modules) so that you can speed up initial load time. And
load/unload modules when ever required.
By default when you compile a module, flex builder optimizes it for
the main application - which means it does not add
Peeyush,
I'm using remoting (RemoteObject) with a j2ee back-end...
it rather takes them as a string.
hmmm...this actually sheds some light on things...i'm not returning the
actual object but rather a list of objects..
thanks
p
On Feb 19, 2008 9:33 PM, Peeyush Tuli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for your response, but RSL won't fit in this situation.
RSL are loaded at the application startup, however, I'm using module
because I want to load the component by demand.
I've used modules before, but never been using modules that sits in a
different project.
It's important that the
Now you are just being insulting. If had read what I wrote you would
have seen that I had tried that. I just need simple validation of my
files.
http://client.devilsworkbook.com/assets.swf
http://client.devilsworkbook.com/assets.swc
In those there is an UIMovieClip that I cannot see in
Don't change the datagrid. Change the data that the datagrid is bound to.
The underlying change in the data will refresh the datagrid. The
rollOver should give you the hint as to where in your data to make the
change. -mL
linko27 wrote:
Hello!
Can someone please help me! I need to change a
Cool - do have some sample methods that get the scrollbar width of a
component that extends panel?
Jason Merrill
Bank of America
GTO LLD Solutions Design Development
eTools Multimedia
Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community
Interested in innovative ideas in Learning?
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So I assume you are just looking to move module(s) into a separate
flex builder project? If my assumption is correct read on.
It is possible to load the modules from a different project. A module
is after all a SWF so you theoretically be able to load it from a url
(as long as you don't run into
I think the original question tends to ignore the fact that no two employers
are indeed the same. So there's no yes or no to be had, just maybe..
Paul
- Original Message -
From: Daniel Freiman
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject:
Try getting the rect later (Put a button somewhere and click it after
everything is finished loading) to make sure the UITextField doesn't just
need to be refreshed first. If that doesn't work, I'd file a bug if I were
you.
- Dan Freiman
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:20 AM, b_alen [EMAIL
Wow, that was fast, I didn't even manage to finish the cigarette :)
And it works. Now, should I use the interval or is there a more
elegant way to know that the component is ready? You were mentioning
refresh.
Thanks a ton buddy
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Freiman [EMAIL
If you are a Flex developer (intermediate or advanced) and live or
would like to live in the Indianapolis area, please contact me about a
possible position.
Rich Tretola
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If you are a Flex developer (intermediate or advanced) and live or
would like to live in the Indianapolis area, please contact me about a
possible position.
Rich Tretola
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am trying to get unique values of an arraycollection by using
Grouping Collection, but my Combobox below does not come up with
anything:
mx:GroupingCollection id=jobsGroup source={people}
mx:grouping
mx:Grouping
mx:GroupingField name=job/
If you want a simple wait, you can use uicomponent.callLater(). (See the
docs). The other alternative is to listen for an event but which even to
listen for depends on your use case. (for example if this is happening when
the application is loaded applicationComplete would probably be the
hi
does any still have the flexdraw drawing tool created by Mitch Grasso?
his site http://www.boomslide.com/flexDraw/
is not working anymore.
can some one email to me or have a working link?
thanks ahead!
--
Willy
Is there a key combination in Flexbuilder 2 to auto-comment out a
selected region of code? I hate having to type !-- -- manually in
MXML... or /* */ in Actionscript. Thanks.
Jason Merrill
Bank of America
GTO LLD Solutions Design Development
eTools Multimedia
Bank of America Flash
Hello guys.. I'm a newbie in Flex.. i need it a help, does anybody
have a Flex application example for Local Connection? I need it to
learn build that thing, Because my friend Challenges me to build an
application who can perform a local connection to upload a Movie.
which is The Application with
Him Guarev,
I tried what you suggested but the errors only appears when using
using the flex localization.
My Module locales are located in
-projectHome
--locale
en_US
--src
The flex project that uses the module puts the module home project
in its source path, and since the module uses
With all due respects to Matt and Dan...
I have no idea how to judge Matt as an authoritative sort on the
process of getting a job or hiring people. Does a project manager's
responsibility at Adobe involve hiring people?
I would have guessed that Adobe was so big, product managers would
Great, it seems like callLater saved my butt. Luckily i also found the
blog which explains in short the WHY's and HOW's of the callLater.
Title of the blog is callLater() - The Function That Saved My Butt.
It's here:
I have a use case using BlazeDS where I want the client to set it's own id.
I can do this if I set the value of xml path:
destination.properties.server.durable to true. I'm trying to figure out if
this is going to have any bad side effects either in the use of memory or
storage space. I don't
*Him=Hi
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, mydarkspoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Him Guarev,
I tried what you suggested but the errors only appears when using
using the flex localization.
My Module locales are located in
-projectHome
--locale
en_US
--src
The flex project that uses
Well I said it, so I don't think you have to apologize to Matt if I have his
job description wrong.
- Dan
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With all due respects to Matt and Dan...
I have no idea how to judge Matt as an authoritative sort on the
Hey all,
I've created a custom component that relies on 2D data and I'm trying to
figure out the best way to accept data into it. I'd thought about extending
the Dictionary class, but I'm not sure how fast it is at lookups or if
there's a better way to handle this type of data.
As it sits,
If you are not going to programatically update an individual data
provider item, them XMLList will be fine.
However, if you ever want to have a user update a property of an
item, in some editable cell for example, then you need to wrap the
XMLList in an XMLListCollection.
This is because when
If you are looking just to create online presentations (not ppt) then check
out www.flypaper.net. You can easily build presentations and output Flash.
Disclaimer: I work for Flypaper Studio.
*Steve Mathews*
*Senior Software Engineer*
e [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Flypaper Studio, Inc.*
Did you get 241kb and 149kb only switching debug option in ant task or
one of results is after FB another after ANT?
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Gaurav Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In my simple test I see size changing from 241kb to 149kb. I would
suggest you log a bug at
I was using comboBox at the time, can't tell you if panel is the same
I'm afraid, but at a guess it probably might be :-)
My source here : http://ifeedme.com/blog/?p=19 (run the demo and right
click), hope it helps.
-Original Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Gaurav Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The flex project that uses the module puts the module home project
in its source path,
Why is it required? Since you module is supposedly independent of your
main app, you do not need to specify it in the source path.
The flex project that uses the module puts the module home project
in its source path,
Why is it required? Since you module is supposedly independent of your
main app, you do not need to specify it in the source path.
However, when compiling the main app (the shell) it complains about
the
In my application, I'm using HTTPservice to get data from a
webservice. I receive the data in 'object' format which I'm directly
binding to my controls.
The XML nodes are not expected to have any attributes, so all the
leaves of the XML are assumed to be strings.
For example:
Items
Item
id2/id
Just plain old 0 worked fine. I just went back and checked the docs, they do
actually tell you to do that, but I doubt I ever would have seen it. Doesn't
really make sense, but you get that :)
Actually, it makes perfect sense. The default value for the fill color
is 100% white with 100% alpha
- automate the embedding of the pictures at compile time (for info, the
future SWF will latter show synchronised screenshots with an audio
recording)
I did this manually with a PHP script (see my blog,
http://troygilbert.com/). If you're using something like ANT you could
stick the PHP script
I'm trying to figure out a way to connect to a remote URL, and download
a file from that URL. I'm already using URLLoader to connect to the URL
and read an XML file, would I use URLLoader for this as well? I want my
Flex 3 /AIR app to be able to hit this URL and download a .db file for
Does anyone know how to dynamically change the skin of a flex
application?
thanks
steve
I think I've tracked it down to a bad Project... sort of... I don't
know. I create a new Project and import all my sources and it works.
I need to add my back my external source, Papervision and APE, and see
if it might be caused by one of those.
Paul
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Paul
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