2008/11/14 teun spaans [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Agree.
And perhaps other organizations working with copy left licenses could be
informed?
There is nothing in there of any real significance to free licenses.
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rig it so that to go from one article to
the other involves going via a redirect then measure the traffic on
that redirect. This was I understand done with respect to some links
on the main page at one point. Doesn't require dev involvement.
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but it does mean
that we have to accept that the educated people from those countries
may not want to use them and there is a significant risk of them
becoming POV forks.
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among it tourists).
But that does not mean we should make any attempt to promote them.
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assume they would click the link at the bottom of
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paard_(dier) and get taken to
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Equus_caballus?uselang=nl
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in as keywords for your search engine
but by then we are getting a little beyond my knowledge of search
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searching
the entire wiki is probably the most useful method (found the current
know issue after 3 attempts).
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be a good step towards
usability thinking before using jargon: is it really necessary here, is it
comprehensive to everybody, even if help:glossary mentions it?
Ziko
Fortunately with the possible exceptions of IP and URL you don't
actually need any of those to edit wikipedia.
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stricter filtering
system but is prepared to accept the IWF because it saves money and
means that negative PR is not directly pointed at the government.
Problem is that I'm not aware of anyone on the IWF committee who can
really be termed a free speech advocate.
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on sight from
editing Wikipedia.
--Jimbo
That would involve blocking a significant chunk of our potential Arab
editors. Holocaust denial has fairly popular in certain parts of the
world. POV about Israel is a greater problem than normal in our
various Islamic dominated languages.
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qualify.
Similar projects would probably be finding out what the various laws
relating to government produced documents actually are (we kinda fall
apart outside the western world) and finding out how legal say the GPL
actually is in the face the more agressive of moral rights clauses.
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), Google who might try using it to populate knol,
Yahoo to annoy google. It fits answers.com's profile if they survive
that long.
Then there are various media companies that might think about it. News
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in Wikipedia.
With the amount of advertising in schools an unfortunate example I feel.
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Conquests? Shaka's conquests?
They we get the political fun ones. The islamic invasion of india.
Arab slave trade. The Muslims killed of in china. Nanking Massacre.
Anticommunist purge in Indonesia. The various post independence
Pakistan /India/Bangladesh stuff.
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it so the sensible thing to do would be to
remove it or if you have some weird desire to keep it make it a lot
smaller.
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banners across
every page.
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2009/1/7 Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk:
geni geni...@gmail.com writes:
2009/1/7 Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk:
Whiners has always been quicker to the keyboard, then those without
opinions either way. That's a human trait, i suppose. Failing to take
this fact into the equation
2009/1/8 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Now read the version in GFDL 1.3.
Err you realise that there is at present no GFDL 1.3 only content on
wikipedia (there is a very small amount on commons due a
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still
under the GFDL once the switch is over will be software manuals for
which the GFDL is merely a tolerably bad license.
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right to edit any given article than any other but some
newbie admins keep trying to mess with this. Beyond that there tend to
be Hierarchies out of necessity (from admins to bureaucrats to
stewards) But they should impact the basic editing process.
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2009/1/10 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Title 17, Section 407.
Not actionable unless we receive an actual demand. Which I'm pretty
sure we haven't.
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unnoticed.
Sam, Phoebe and perhaps Geni were all able to accept the spirit of a
pleasant diversion, and develop new ideas accordingly. After all, there
is more to Wikieschatology than the knowledge itself.
Not a diversion as such. Testing licenses is a fairly standard
activity. Debian have
with reading up on the politics and 20th century history of the
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is a fully
legally and ethically acceptable way to meet this need.
Your conclusion is technically correct but meaningless and your line
of reasoning is highly questionable at best.
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GPL I wouldn't worry overmuch.
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How would a third party go about using
the combined work?
Depends on the context.
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2009/1/21 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
2009/1/20 geni geni...@gmail.com:
4(c)(iii) is irrelevant. The foundation not the licensor and the URL
is on top of other attribution and copyright stuff. The only way
attribution methods can be controlled through CC-BY-SA-3.0 is through
4(c)(i
that this is not the case for a large number
of articles, but it's often the case for the most interesting ones.
The proposed attribution language - to state names when there are
fewer than six - is precisely written as a compromise.
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2009/1/22 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
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2009/1/22 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
That's evidently not true. Many people in this debate have said that
giving all names encumbers re-use of the work when such lists get very
long, so they are not 'fine
is in compliance with the GFDL. It's resuers who have
serious issues. But then I've been through this with you many times
and I don't see any reason to think you are any more likely to get it
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that it provides a
reason. A reason that is logically consistent with observed reality
would probably be preferable.
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2009/1/22 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
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So what exactly is the problem with requiring credit reasonable to
the medium or means?
The fact that we don't seem to be able to agree on what is reasonable.
(It would be nice if we could agree it between us
2009/1/22 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
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So what exactly is the problem with requiring credit reasonable to
the medium or means?
The fact that we don't seem to be able to agree on what is reasonable.
I
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and examples, so that there's no ambiguity about our general
understanding of what we mean with reasonable applications.
What we mean? Err we didn't write the license or the laws that it
operates under. What we mean isn't relevant.
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large user.
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toi CC-BY-SA-3.0.
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and quality.
I've already created Template:Nobreasts and it would probably useful
if someone put together Template:Novulva
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of faces.
In addition most parts of the human anatomy don't have the same
providence issues.
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style image for Genitalia in general.
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of requiring uploaders to answer about five questions under penalty of
perjury. This would shift liability off of us in the event that someone uses
Commons as a battleground and we get sued.
We do not have the authority to ask people questions under penalty of perjury.
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people editing more than once and you are pretty close to what some
scientific papers rack up in terms of authors.
Most things you could use content for already have customary methods
of giving attribution. That isn't going to change.
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are required to credit every author who's work that
section is a derivative of.
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by it's very
nature tends to hit these issues before anyone else. Having influence
means we in theory have a better chance of getting such issues fixed.
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you propose. And no
moveing wikipedia to Afghanistan is not a valid answer.
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out such
a change in the case of those who have not actively agreed to it.
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are optimistic. They could just sue the first refuser to think
that any statements beyond reasonable to the medium or means had any
legal validity.
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2009/2/3 Sam Johnston s...@samj.net:
I'm not aware of any print-on-demand providers who facilitate the
sending of arbitrary documentation with prints so my ability to reuse
is still unnecessarily restricted.
Sam
That must make it rather hard to use the postal service.
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dealing with license incompatibility issues and
problems caused by special case clauses and you will soon discover why
that suggestion is a really bad idea.
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derivatives, I would expect such clauses to solve more problems than
they create.
Actually I would expect people to respond to that by abusing the
living daylights out of the copyright notices clause which doesn't
greatly improve things.
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article?
But back to your spirit argument. Why would a CC-Wiki that is more practical
about attribution be against the spirit of the GFDL?
Calling effective removal practical doesn't actually change the situation.
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past discussions about this? Is this not a good idea?
Halvor (meco)
Since we have no wish to advertise such services there is no reason to
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. Realistically the Iranian government is able to put
enough ah pressure on it's citizens to arrange for them to cooperate
(this is true for most governments). It is also the case that the
Iranian government is more likely to do so in a problematical manner
than western governments.
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one I doubt it would be too worried.
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Not really. Apart from anything else there are no shortage of ways to
break the duel licensing if you really want to. In addition any
license update will tend in the short term to result in or at least
allow a degree of dual licensing.
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the Napoleonic code rights of man thing. It makes sense to a degree
when technical advance is slow and you are worried about authors
getting ripped off but yes it has issues when new uses are invented
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techniques the likes of the Iranian government can deploy.
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lays with the
board. WMF is a non-membership association. Don't even try to evade that
responsibility by delegating it to the community. Accept the
responsibility and act accordingly.
The board is not at this point that significantly involved.
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2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
The language committee is empowered to decide on all new projects. It has
been this way since its start. Nothing new here.
Thanks,
GerardM
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for good arguments. I am not the enemy, I am the one that actually
talks and engages in the discussion, grin I can be convinced /grin You
are doing a poor job at that.
Thanks,
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You are in a position of power thus I repeat how do we get rid of you?
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for the most
part. GFDL 1.2 only images are an issue (as are FAL) but they can be
dealt with when the time comes. Cleanup can also be addressed at a
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the possible
attribution models. CC counsel has commented specifically that
attribution-by-URL is a permissible attribution model that is
consistent with the language and intent of CC-BY*.
What is their line of reasoning on that?
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have
been avoided by flagged revisions.
Please say this REALLY LOUD to the objectors this time around.
- d.
Won't work. So of us objectors have overlarge watchlists see so we
also know about the cases where long standing issues have been picked
up and fixed by IPs.
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2009/3/9 Mike Linksvayer m...@creativecommons.org:
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/6 Mike Linksvayer m...@creativecommons.org:
Yes.
Mike (not the CC counsel but just spoke to her)
And what was the exact wording of the question asked and what
are inherently fragile.
CC-BY-SA-3.0 clearly states credit must be reasonable to the medium or
means. Distinction between media forms are none of the foundation's
business since the issue is already taken care of by the license text.
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which operates
there) to print Wikipedia editions in English and Swahili without any
attribution (even they don't need it). Or for spoken editions for
education of blind persons?
There is no legal way to do that nor is there any real benefit in doing so.
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kicks it into horrific territory. An answer
either way on the pseudo question is meaningless since we don't know
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2009/3/10 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net:
Milos Rancic wrote:
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2009/3/9 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
So, they don't care about their own copyright law.
Common law is very much driven by legal precedent. Looking to see what
of URL
would potentially cause issues if you wished to embed new encyclopedia
wiki content in QR code.
The phrase otherwise be attributed in the manner specified by the
uploader is intensely bad because it allows people to specify
attribution via skywriting.
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2009/3/11 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
2009/3/11 geni geni...@gmail.com:
Importing wikipedia content would be an absolute pain
Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of
authors. Only if you want your copy to be a link-creditable copy,
you would need to do so
2009/3/11 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
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Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of
authors. Only if you want your copy to be a link-creditable copy,
you would need to do so.
Is provideing credit reasonable to the medium or means
with issues that make the relicensing look
trivial for years without knowing or caring about real names.
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on mugs, travel
guides, etc.
If the people producing the mugs want that they are free to produce a
version of the history on their servers or more legally more solid
include a sheet of paper with a complete list of authors with the mug.
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rather than being a significant part of the free
content movement wikipedia ends up as the copyright equivalent of a
radioactive mess no sane person would touch.
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pushing wouldn't allow
for that (the lack of resource type means it is questionable if that
is a legit URL) but the need to understand formal technical
definitions is just another reason why messing with CC-BY-SA's
reasonable to the medium or means is a really bad idea.
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on this list. The rest of the opposition comes from the
foundations unlawful and ill thought out proposed TOS.
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they lose the case.
Under CC-BY-SA it boils down to the reasonable to the medium and means
clause which is a rather more defendable position.
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2009/3/20 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
2009/3/18 geni geni...@gmail.com:
1 person on this list. The rest of the opposition comes from the
foundations unlawful and ill thought out proposed TOS.
For the record, our legal reasoning for the attribution terms under
consideration is as follows
TOS.
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of the GFDL you are referring to here. I'm
fed up with playing guessing games.
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2009/3/21 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
2009/3/20 geni geni...@gmail.com:
Now that argument is flawed on a number of grounds but I think I'll
take the easy option. Where is the link of the following pages:
Try the edit pages.
Doesn't help you. Even those that do mention their equiv
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the privacy issues would not on their
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