quote who=Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 10:31 +0200, Toni Willberg wrote:
My employer Movial Corporation has several open positions for GTK+ /
GNOME hackers. The positions are located in Helsinki, Finland.
Hi there Toni,
While I'm glad there's companies doing free software
quote who=Leslie Proctor
I was part of the fundraising team for GUADEC when User Day and the
government/business speakers were added. They were added in response to
the fact that we were getting firm nos from potential sponsors. Those
same companies came on board later on that year, as a
quote who=Quim Gil
I'm sure we can find activities for all of them.
*snip* - all the ideas in your email are awesome. :-)
- Jeff
--
OSCON 2005: August 1st-5th http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2005/
I'm just mucking round down the shallow end of the literary pool, I
quote who=Luis Villa
I thought we still had a relationship with SPI?
I'm not clear on what our relationship is with them right now; obviously
we're still on good terms (I'm on their trademark committee) but I don't
know if we still have some kind of formal affiliation/partnership.
I'm
quote who=Vincent Untz
Interesting input. But why is it better to do this with 11 directors than
7 directors? :-)
Broader, more diverse representation - this is a *big* community, and even
the current board has massive msising chunks of it, whether you look at
regional representation,
quote who=Vincent Untz
I've heard lots of unconvincing arguments as well--on both sides.
But, what is very convincing to me is the fact that it strongly
appears that we don't have 11 motivated people running for the board.
Motivated to do what? To get things done? That should not be
quote who=Davyd Madeley
This is only because the purpose of the board is badly defined and
communicated.
I think it is worth pointing out, that if the role of the board is better
defined in the future and if the board is fixed, there is no reason that
the number of directors can not be
quote who=Germán Poó Caamaño
Probably it sounds plain, simple and stupid. But it's incredible how
people get stuck even getting in touch; moreover when you need a point of
start.
Germán Poó Caamaño for GNOME Foundation Board!
- Jeff
--
UbuntuBelowZero in Montreal!
quote who=Quim Gil
This is my first election period in the GNOME Foundation, so I'm surprised
by the lack of candidates few days before the deadline. :)
So, I'm planning to run again this year, but I'm all caught up in the middle
of the BadgerBadgerBadger tour, so haven't had time to sit down
Hmm,
Are we going to have candidate questions this year? We had better do it fast
if we expect candidates to answer them before the voting period. If everyone
can post their questions in response to this mail, we can ask the membership
committee (sans Vincent, I'd imagine) to select the best and
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
1) Why are you running for Board of Directors? What will you do more or
better than previous years Boards have done?
I've had a year off after two years on. So I understand the workings of the
Board from the inside and have watched it from the outside with and
Questions 1, 2, 3 and 5 answered in previous mail.
4. Explain how you expect to meet you goals.
* I will more effectively communicate the role and scope of the Board among
the directors, Foundation members and Advisory Board.
* I will encourage the adoption of an elected executive as part
quote who=Juha Siltala
What do you think of the composition of the current board, where a couple
of big companies hold half of the chairs?
I trust those individuals as members of the GNOME Foundation and community,
*and* as representatives of companies that contribute a great deal to GNOME
(in
quote who=Richard M. Stallman
I would be happy to help out. As Jonathan mentions, Murray and I have
been sorting through some of the issues on live.gnome.org by putting
together an Interface Specification that is hopefully useful to ISV's
Does ISV stand for Independent Software
quote who=Christophe Fergeau
If you are interested about giving a talk, please send me an email telling
me what you want to give a talk about.
I'll be there - would love to do a talk about GNOME advocacy and kicking
arse in that field. :-)
- Jeff
--
Ubuntu USA Europe Tour: Oct-Nov 2005
Hi all,
Please consider this email a formal request from the GNOME Foundation.
We, being the GNOME Foundation, as well as many GNOME Foundation members and
contributors to the project, have contacted you numerous times over the last
four years regarding the use of the old GNOME logo on Slashdot.
quote who=Ben Konrath
I just wanted to take the time to let everyone know how the GNOME booth at
Eclipse Con went.
Thanks very much for the report, and all your work on the stand - sounds
like a great success! :-)
- Jeff
--
GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain
quote who=Murray Cumming
I think this is a big part of Ubuntu's success at getting new
contributors. But I'd like our code of conduct to be a little shorter and
I don't think we need a whole organisation to police it.
Agree, particularly about shortening/simplifying it. We can continue to use
quote who=Quim Gil
I think GNOME would be a less exciting place with a Code of Conduct.
8 snip 8
Here's a simple start: http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct
Isn't this just common sense? I don't see the need to push a long debate
to end up having a list of points based on common sense.
quote who=Yavor Doganov
If you read Planet GNOME and some of the mailing lists, you'll notice that
many developers use the term Open Source and call the operating system
Linux, instead of GNU or GNU/Linux. Some of them were even excited when
a popular non-free software was relicensed
quote who=Jeff Waugh
I think a fun way to deal with this criticism ('cos it's valid and
expected) is to actually make it a Very GNOMEy Code of Conduct. Let's not
beat around the bush - first point: Be Excellent to Each Other.
*guitar lick*
(added this point to the wiki page)
- Jeff
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
But, they can't be members of the board without an election.
Just want to point out that, yes, they can be - please read the Foundation
by-laws. The board can change the size of the board at will, and nominate
members at will.
The referendum process was not done
quote who=Anne Østergaard
The Board would like to propose to you a temporary enlargement of the
board with two persons: Behdad Esfahbod and Germán Poó-Caamaño.
My personal opinion on this, as stated to the board:
* We made our bed with the one-two-punch combination of change in board
quote who=Dan Winship
Jeff Waugh wrote:
* We are attempting to do big things without the benefit of having a
face to face meeting. Every board so far has been more effective
post-GUADEC, after they've had the opportunity to sit down, grind
through the issues with a lot of social
quote who=Richard Stallman
In reality, we will likely hire someone who is already competent in the
use of free software - but I agree with Quim that this should not be a
requirement (obviously (at least to me), *using* free software will be
part of the job, where possible).
quote who=Philip Van Hoof
A few years ago I solved this bounty and did receive a cheque (check
comment 19).
(Just wanted to note, so it did not look like we were ignoring Philip, that
this has been followed up on the Board mailing list.)
- Jeff
--
linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia
Ni hao,
At the end of the month, my affiliation will change from Canonical Ltd to
unaffiliated. (Technically Waugh Partners, but only as a convenience; I
am not doing anything related to its existing business, it's just a close
and convenient structure to start from.)
Thanks,
- Jeff
--
quote who=Quim Gil
- Note that an agreement with the GNOME Foundation implies that the user
group has a legal entity.
Note that we have to take our tax status in the US into account when talking
about relationships with international groups - it has come up as an issue
in the past, so we need
quote who=Luis Villa
I also still think it is a pretty bad idea
I'd like to find out why people think it's a bad idea, when I think the idea
has been pretty soundly proven as good by the Ubuntu community (albeit, the
CoC was part of the Ubuntu community's creation, but I thinke everyone is
quote who=Quim Gil
The Ubuntu community decided to have a CoC since their early stages and
there was not much fuzz about it. This shows that probably a CoC is good
for that community.
The GNOME community has growth for years without a CoC and now that it is
being proposed to have one
quote who=DULMANDAKH Sukhbaatar
Attending GUADEC I found out that I can become GNOME Foundation member.
After arriving in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia, I applied for membership.
Yesterday The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee accepted me, so from
now I'm member of GNOME Foundation.
Few days
quote who=Quim Gil
Bypassing the wording thing and also the content of the CoC, two questions
I think we should agree on in order to move forward:
(Yay, this is the important bit.)
- Do we aim to have an official GNOME list of behavior principles
approved and assumed by the GNOME Foundation
quote who=Murray Cumming
Yes. My only objection to that phrase (which I tried in the draft before
people complained about it) is that it's a cultural reference that isn't
fully understood by many eople whose first language is not English.
Maybe we can put an IMDB reference in, and educate the
quote who=Quim Gil
These documents reflect already the content and intent of the GNOME
Foundation. They don't need any extra blessing or acceptance, what is in
there is a right, a duty and a guidance for all of us. If they need
updating let's update them. If they need advertisement let's
quote who=Quim Gil
Doing the process of updating the charter would be a failure? I don't see
why, this process could be healthy for the community, and the result would
be stronger and more sounded. In the meantime the list of recommendations
could be discussed, tested, improved, applied (it
quote who=Dominic Lachowicz
To me, it sounds like at least some important people would like the CoC to
be a set of enforcable rules, or at least would be open to discussing
whether they should be. This would violate earlier claims to the contrary
[1] and clearly expresses the sentiment that
quote who=Yavor Doganov
This is a request to the the GNOME Foundation Board for action/decision
regarding this matter.
Thanks Yavor, we will discuss it at our next board meeting.
- Jeff
--
linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/
Web development
quote who=Jeff Waugh
quote who=Yavor Doganov
This is a request to the the GNOME Foundation Board for action/decision
regarding this matter.
Thanks Yavor, we will discuss it at our next board meeting.
Yavor,
Could you provide references to the use of Linux and GNU/Linux in the
GNOME
quote who=Jeff Waugh
This is a request to the the GNOME Foundation Board for action/decision
regarding this matter.
Thanks Yavor, we will discuss it at our next board meeting.
(One of the reasons I responded so quickly was that I was hoping to avoid
the usual heard it all before debate
quote who=Davyd Madeley
I received today a request for travel sponsorship to GNOME.conf.au.
Obviously, GNOME.conf.au, being run as a no-money event (where we charge
no entry, but all the facilities we require are provided for us by
linux.conf.au).
It seems to me that sponsorship to this
quote who=Jeff Waugh
My linux.conf.au 2007 lead organiser hat is very firmly on for this reply
With my GNOME Foundation hat on: There are *lots* of Foundation members who
I would love to fund to attend linux.conf.au (thus GNOME.conf.au too), as I
believe it is one of the most valuable
quote who=Alan Cox
Ar Llu, 2006-10-23 am 15:45 +1000, ysgrifennodd Jeff Waugh:
where our documentation could be easily branded and changed by
distributors, that would be the place to mention specifics -- and those
specifics would be trademarks of distributions and operating
environments
quote who=Richard Stallman
You've mis-spelled correctly as commonly and ignored the view of the
owners of the Linux kernel and the Linux mark. Unfortunate.
With the name GNU/Linux we try to share the credit with the developers of
Linux.
Alan was pointing out that you don't have
quote who=Quim Gil
I would have resigned from the board back on September if my colleagues
would have requested it. I can resign now if you think it's appropriate.
As I told Dave last week, I will do whatever it's best. I just want to
defend my candidacy for the job like any other candidate.
quote who=Federico Mena Quintero
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 11:26 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote:
I don't want to be a rock star, I just want to help. If more suitable
candidates are running, I'm happy to cheer them from the sidelines.
Too late, Glynn, you *are* already a rock star :)
I feel
quote who=Dave Neary
Quoting Jonathan Blandford [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We totally can. I don't think anyone asked this year. Or if they did,
they didn't ask loudly enough. (-;
I asked to be reimbursed 30 euros for a cellphone call - Jeff pointed out
I was an idiot for not having a call
quote who=Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
[1] What are your plans to answer the question put forward at the last
GUADEC about Why should one become a member of the GNOME Foundation ?
Would you be in a position to elaborate on your plans/projects to make
membership more interesting for the GNOME
Jeff Waugh
The list includes all of the running Board members who represent my values
and aspirations for the project, and the trusted fresh faces who I thought
would bring the most new GNOME energy and vitality to the Board. 'Course
the last guy only just scraped in, but what can you do
quote who=Richard Stallman
In general, a free program that runs in a completely free system is a
contribution to freedom; but GNOME is special: it was launched
specifically to defend our freedom. We stated GNOME to blunt the danger of
the (then) non-free QT library. I think most GNOME users
quote who=Dave Neary
This is now the fourth please answer my questions mail which has come to
the list - the idea of Questions for the candidates is to avoid making
people socially responsible for individual questions - I really don't
mind, but I would have preferred that the questions for
quote who=Shaun McCance
I also want to throw in a strong endorsement for Joachim.
I'm a little concerned -- based on Joachim's answers and commments on this
list -- that there would be some difficult philosophical gaps for the Board
to bridge (or worse, teach) should he be elected.
I don't
quote who=Luis Villa
Perhaps Joachim could explain some of his comments. :-)
Perhaps you could explain which ones you mean, Jeff?
I thought it was pretty clear:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2006-November/msg00110.html
quote who=Jordi Mas
For more than three months I have been sending e-mail messages to the
current GNOME Planet editor Jeff Waugh but I got no answer.
Hi Jordi,
I know a few requests have been waiting in my inbox over the last few weeks
or so, as I've been focusing almost 100% on linux.conf.au
quote who=Tim Janik
So for the foundation board, there are two things that can be done
to improve the current situation:
1) Please present the issue at hand (this email and the email linked
to above) to the advisory board members, to make sure the companies
involved are aware of the
GNOME Foundation Retains Software Freedom Law Center
Nonprofit law firm will provide legal advice to important open source
desktop project
Boston MA, USA -- March 20, 2007 -- The Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC),
provider of pro-bono
quote who=Anne Østergaard
Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
I'll footnotes it.
- Jeff
--
Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/
GNOME. Vorsprung durch Einfachheit.
___
quote who=Jeff Waugh
quote who=Anne Østergaard
Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
I'll footnotes it.
Hrm, except it's down right now. Boh!
- Jeff
--
Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/
Instead you're doing circle jerks
quote who=Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
Anne Østergaard wrote:
Call for invitations to be the host of GUADEC 2008
GUADEC is the yearly GNOME Users and Developers European Conference.
Does that automatically exclude those outside EU from sending proposals ?
Yes, but don't let that stop you
quote who=Luke Stroven
I'll footnotes it.
Hrm, except it's down right now. Boh!
Darn thunderstorms anyways.
Its back up ;)
Thanks Stro, unsung hero! (Rhymes for great justice!)
- Jeff
--
Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/
And,
quote who=Hubert Figuiere
That said if there is any proposal for Canada (Montreal is IMHO a better
choice than Ottawa), count me in :-)
Where necessary, and in this case I think it is, we should be very clear
about GNOME's geopolitical view of the world: Quebecistan is not in Europe.
- Jeff
quote who=Adrian Custer
Would you be willing, as an agenda item, to re-evaluate the presence of
secrecy in your meetings, discussions, and deliberations? Would you please
provide us members with a statement as to the ongoing *necessity* rather
than mere convenience of keeping items secret
quote who=Adrian Custer
not the particulars but, for example, that in March, two such cases arose
and who acted or what was done to deal with such issues.
In general, when we discuss stuff like this in the meetings, it's mentioned
in the minutes in exactly the way you describe. Consider for a
Hi all,
Some of you may have noticed a new teaser on the front page of www.gnome.org
today - it's about an event we're holding next Thursday, April 19th in Santa
Clara, California, USA.
If you're a GNOME lover living nearby, come down to see us. There will be a
bunch of hackerly GNOME folks
quote who=Jonathon Jongsma
Yes, you did give some of these examples, and I agree that there are
situations within these broad categories that would require some level of
secrecy. But the fact that we don't know any of the details means that
there is still not enough information for me to
quote who=Federico Mena Quintero
El sáb, 14-04-2007 a las 04:12 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió:
I am particularly sensitive to the issues you've raised here, and
they've been at the top of my mind working on this over the last 9 or so
months. I am satisfied that it has been consultative
quote who=Jeff Waugh
Some of you may have noticed a new teaser on the front page of www.gnome.org
today - it's about an event we're holding next Thursday, April 19th in Santa
Clara, California, USA.
If you're a GNOME lover living nearby, come down to see us. There will be a
bunch
quote who=Behdad Esfahbod
Why not just GUADAC? You are suggesting that US and Canada should start
their own GUADNAC, are you?
You guys have the Summit!
- Jeff
--
Open CeBIT 2007: Sydney, Australia http://www.opencebit.com.au/
'Cause remember, smug is beautiful. -
quote who=Luis Villa
Of course, I'd be more comfortable with it if we put out a press release
saying something to the effect of 'we see no way to avoid implementing
OOXML without screwing our users, so we're joining ECMA to make sure it
sucks as little as possible. All other things being
quote who=Lucas Rocha
I think it would make sense to have both conferences scheduled in way that
it would be easier for us, GNOMErs, to attend both. But I don't think we
should have only one merged KDE/GNOME conference. Even though we aim to
increase the collaboration with KDE, we're still
quote who=Olav Vitters
Mailing list setup is broken. Hiring someone to figure it all out might be
a good idea; because currently I do not setup mailing lists just because I
do not want to figure out how.
I studied the broken setup a couple of weeks ago after doing blogo - I think
I'll be able
quote who=Bruno Boaventura
I think it's time to add more contributors on sysadmin. Me and Diego are
very interested to contribute in many areas on GNOME. We have time,
motivation and love, but we need help to start. I'm a person who can learn
quickly.
I appreciate your enthusiasm, and
quote who=Murray Cumming
So, I think you should please ask the advisory board, and then I think you
should try to find somebody. They might say No, but in the past they've
wanted to be asked more often, because they want to help.
There are plenty of part-time student sysadmins at
quote who=Corey Burger
1. Planet
We absolutely need a team around this. The delays make no sense
There haven't been significant delays recently. Vincent has been managing
the GSoC folks to help out, which has been great. Strong editorship is one
of the reasons why Planet GNOME is more readable
quote who=Olav Vitters
Nice! Please document the new stuff on the wiki.
All fixed. Nothing new, just working without unexpected insanity. Sysadmin
info updated on http://live.gnome.org/NewListRequest
I'm going through the (one or two) remaining list requests in RT now.
- Jeff
--
Ubuntu Live
quote who=Ghee Teo
Does this also implies there is a going to be by-election (first one
ever) :) ?
No, according to the GNOME Foundation by-laws, the Board may appoint a new
director in the case of a vacancy (which we did last year under the same
circumstances).
- Jeff
--
GUADEC 2007 in
quote who=Thomas Wood
During discussions about copyright at GUADEC several people mentioned that
developers were not encouraged to assign copyright to the GNOME
Foundation.
Not so much not encouraged as no one's ever done it before and we haven't
created the necessary
quote who=Thomas Wood
We were aware of this, but since contributions mean that there are often a
half a dozen different contributors to one file, we thought it may be
easier to assign copyright and then list the contributors as authors.
Copyright assignment generally doesn't make things for
quote who=Rodrigo Moya
hmm, sorry to say that, but I was under the impression this was suggested
many years ago (2/3 or maybe 4), and indeed I've written some code myself
assigning the copyright to the foundation. Usually small stuff that is not
in GNOME, but I just had a look, and the whole
Adding Amy Jiang to the Cc. Hi Amy! :-)
- Jeff
quote who=Quim Gil
This is a call for volunteers and interested GNOME lovers in Beijing /
China / East Asia. Please forward to friends and contacts that might
be interested.
There is this initial idea of organizing a GNOME event in Beijing
Hi all,
Another administrative issue the Board needs to deal with, but vastly less
interesting or controversial than the one raised in my last email. :-)
The Board is planning to fix a minor but institutionalised problem with the
practice of selecting and current state of Foundation Board
quote who=Dave Neary
I think there's value in having a figurehead president divorced from the
day-to-day running of things
Unfortunately, that is not how the position is defined in the bylaws. Over
the past few years, what we have called the Chairman (for touchy-feely
reaosns) has for all
quote who=The Face of Sun Microsystems
Jeff Waugh wrote:
3. Recommend that future Boards appoint the President and
Vice-President from elected directors annually (instead of Chairman and
Vice-Chairman)
As a slightly confusing nit, are we now saying there will only be
President, Vice
quote who=Claudio Saavedra
If I remember correctly, that's the situation since last year, when we
decided to switch boards with the year change. What I don't remember (and
can't find in the rules you linked), is what was the situation before.
When used the boards to switch before that?
quote who=Shaun McCance
While this year's and last year's GUADECs were in July, previous GUADECs
have been in April (2001), May (2005), and June (2004). If we have
elections in May and June, then we wouldn't want to have future GUADECs
any earlier than July. I don't know if that's a
quote who=Julien PUYDT
I don't have anything against the current board, BUT extending a term
after the voters cast their vote is very wrong.
As mentioned in the original mail: (Note that the Board is unlikely to make
a change like this without formally consulting our membership via a
quote who=Andy Tai
It still looks strange to have the voting body to vote to extend the term
of the current board, not the same as a general election.
Extending the terms of some leadership tend to happen under situations
where something prevents the holding of regular elections... nothing
quote who=Andy Tai
OK, simply, the stated reason for the extraordinary measure (face to face
meeting timing) is not a strong one to justify touching the term limit of
the board.
In that case -- let's try for productive input here, if possible -- how do
you suggest we solve the problem? (Or
quote who=Quim Gil
1. Make sure that from a legal point of view we can have board mandate not
coinciding with budget terms. If legally we can't do it the rest is
pointless.
I've put it to our legal folks and am waiting for a response.
2. Check if the current board members would be willing
quote who=Quim Gil
The current board was elected for one year and there is no exceptional
reason to change this. The next board can be elected for an extended
period and then voters and electors know what is going on beforehand.
We could do that, and it has been discussed in the past, but it
quote who=Vincent Untz
Sorry, I'm going to dive into boring details...
Is this something from the by-laws (I couldn't find a reference to the
10 days notice there, but I only gave a quick look), or something you
are suggesting?
Yes. See under VII: 3-8.
And by vote, do you mean referendum
quote who=Vincent Untz
Forgot to reply to this: one worry (which is valid, IMHO) is that we don't
know if all current board members will have time for the first six months
of 2008. I know I have absolutely no idea right now if I'll be able to
continue.
Agree, though directors can resign, and
quote who=Jeff Waugh
So really, if we do a referendum, we have two questions:
+ Do you want to shift the election cycle?
+ Do you want to extend the current mandate of the board?
I don't think we should mix them.
Two questions can be the kiss of death for a 'referendum
quote who=Richard Stallman
To promote software freedom, it is vital to talk about free software,
because the term Open source is most often used to lead attention away
from issues of freedom.
There'll be all kinds of explanation about Software Freedom and Open Source
in the opening of the
quote who=Havoc Pennington
Bringing it back to the present, there's stuff on svn.mugshot.org that
really belongs on gnome.org, but it seems it didn't end up there. I don't
think this was a conscious thing, but I think it probably was due to just
enough of a barrier to create a new gnome
quote who=Dave Neary
I think it's a mistake not to have someone in Boston involved early in the
planning process.
This problem would not have been solved by having someone in Boston involved
early in the planning process. It's just rotten luck.
- Jeff
--
Open Source in Mobile 2007: Madrid,
quote who=Dave Neary
I think it's a mistake not to have someone in Boston involved early in
the planning process.
This problem would not have been solved by having someone in Boston
involved early in the planning process. It's just rotten luck.
I didn't say it would have been.
quote who=Dave Neary
You don't have to take this as some kind of challenge to your authority,
and get defensive about it.
I'm objecting to your repeated griping-without-helping (and now in public),
Dave. It's not motivating *or* helpful, particularly following up to this.
- Jeff
--
quote who=Tristan Van Berkom
*sigh*, I wonder what you are basing this claim on, maybe there's an
archived thread that you could reffer us to which details that ?
Unfortunately my blog didn't have comments at the time, so most of the
responses to this were on IRC or by mail. It's mentioned
quote who=Steve Frécinaux
I'd even go one step further saying than most people care about gnome and
gnome apps, and not about one's cats and the other's culinar niceties.
Because despite Gnome is people, I think that for most people, Planet
Gnome is primarily about Gnome.
Well, that's
quote who=Federico Mena Quintero
The current editorial control is simply more or less if you ever did
something peripherally related to GNOME, you can be on Planet, regardless
of what you post.
It's somewhat more intricate than that -- I'm writing it up atm, so people
can understand the
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