Thank you everybody for your responses and help.
Dave - you were spot on. I added the FILE: port and all is now working
again, printing to AdobePDF as I should.
But I will still take a look at FM8 :).
Cheers,
Jo
-Original Message-
From: dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz
The one compelling reason I had to upgrade to FM8 was unicode support.
One of my docs was a multi-lingual safety guide, and each language had
to be done separately, PDF'd on localized machines, and then each
language had to be assembled into the the final book.
This caused problems with some of
Hello,
A big thank you to everyone who responded with good ideas on how to
search the Archives. They work nicely and I am moving forward!
I have a few questions that I hope this great resource can help me with:
1. I am working with Structured FM since I will be doing both print
I am also trying to produce a TOC based on several structured files I
have put into a book. They consist of Document (highest level element),
with Titles, Section, and Head. When I generate my TOC based only on
Title, it is blank. When I generate it based on Head, the heads used in
the files
Hi Adriana
If you are brand new to FrameMaker, and if you want to work with Structured
FM files for print and web-based output, you may want to take a look at
DITA-FMx:
http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/
It will give you all the benefits of using an open, international OASIS
standard for
I am using structured FM. I set up my EDD with font characteristics
(document = highest level element, all context, font family arial).
Then I create a few files, imported my EDD, and the font all changed as
it should. But then when I click on that font in the file, it all says
*Body (as the
Do I have to create reference pages and conversion tables for structured
FM to create a good printed PDF, and work properly when imported into
RoboHelp? Or what is the general workflow for someone starting from
scratch with both FM and RoboHelp, and working to make a printed doc as
well as online
I am using Adobe's Technical Communication Suite so FM8 and RoboHelp 7.
-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:24 AM
To: Adriana Harper
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Reference pages and conversion tables -
Adriana Harper wrote:
1.I am working with Structured FM since I will be doing both print
and web based help (using RoboHelp).
Let me stop you right there. The need to produce both print and help in
_no_way_ implies the need for structured documents. You're introducing
gobs of additional
Can you be clear on what problem(s) you are seeing with the TOC? It's
rather difficult to offer help when the problems is essentially
unknown...
When you setup the TOC, did you specify that it was based on elements,
or paragraphs?
If paragraph formats, then you will certainly have a TOC that is
It does sound like you have based your TOC on para tags, not elements.
Try redefining your TOC to search for elements instead. If you have trouble
differentiating between nested Head or Title elements, add Context Label
rules to your EDD. That will allow you to format the Head or Title para tags
I agree with Richard. Do you have a business requirement (DITA content, a
contract to deliver XML, or working with an XML content management
system?)to be in structured Frame? If not, you're taking on a bit much all
at the same time.
-Original Message-
From:
Hey, folks. What is your standard for organizing your template?
Do you have all ref pages, master pages, para tags, character tags,
variable definitions, etc., etc., represented identically in every file
of your template?
It easiest to update every file in a book with every formatting
I make a unique tag for every possible scenario so I can transfer all
formats without worrying about overrides.
Deirdre
On 12/12/08, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:
Hey, folks. What is your standard for organizing your template?
Do you have all ref pages, master pages, para tags,
I like to have separate templates for:
-Chapter
-Front Matter
-TOC
-Index
I generally keep these in their own Book file, to keep the management easier
I have found that the UberTemplate results in too many definitions,
especially for the Master Pages and the Para Catalog.
-Original
I set the entry in the footers to use the $chapnum (or $volnum)
variable so that all chapters are the same and don't require manual
tweaking. Then set the value of the $chapnum variable to Index or
Contents or whatever, using the numbering properties tab for the
component in the book.
Art
Art
Our template is an FM book that includes sample files for all parts of a
manual (front cover, TOC, Preface, chapters, appendixes, glossary, index,
and back cover). The page layouts are different for the TOC, glossary and
index, and they have their own master pages, but the reference pages are the
Hey, Art and everybody. I followed Art's explanation, I think. Here's
what I just tried that worked:
I had had a tag called TitleNoNum, which I used for TOC, LOF, LOT, IOM,
etc. Autonumbering was deselected. The result was that the footer for
each of these files was -#, as in -3 instead of
Nancy,
In this instance you can eat your cake, and have it too.
In the book file, select the TOC file and from the menu select
Format Document Numbering, then select the Chapter tab. Select
Text format, and type your text in it. In this case TOC. Or whatever
you want. This value will be
If you use a specific template file for the first chapter, the first
Appendix, and one for Index, Glossary, and TOC, and a one for the
following chapter files and following Appendix files, you can set the
Document numbering for each and don't have to mess with them again.
They will
Hi,
I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering if
there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from my
Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be radically
different in the new docs, it would be useful to be able to reuse content
I try to keep everything for a template in one file, and I try to use
the same basic elemement definitions, master page names, paragraph and
character style names, etc. so that most of my templates are
interchangeable. If I need to convert an instruction sheet to a chapter
in a book, all I need to
Peter Gold was kind enough to suggest
MIF Filter for Adobe InDesign from DTPTools after he'd done a review of the
product. See for yourself at
http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid
Considering what I got, the cost (per page) was pretty extraordinary.
-Matt
-Original Message-
From:
I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering if
there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from my
Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be radically
different in the new docs, it would be useful to be able to reuse content
Hello,
I have a question I am hoping someone can help me with.
I will be uploading all of my FM 7.2 files to XyEnterprise Contenta
Content Management System (CMS). Contenta does not allow certain
characters to be used in the file names. As the files are uploaded into
Contenta all of the
On 12/12/08, mulholland4 mulholla...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering if
there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from my
Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be radically
different
Doug,
You wrote:
>Is there a way to define a cross-reference format such that this cross
>reference does not generate an active hyperlink in a PDF file?
...
Only option within FrameMaker is to take advantage of the limitation/bug
whereby cross-references in text insets are not converted to
Thank you everybody for your responses and help.
Dave - you were spot on. I added the FILE: port and all is now working
again, printing to AdobePDF as I should.
But I will still take a look at FM8 :).
Cheers,
Jo
-Original Message-
From: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz
Hi Adriana
If you are "brand new to FrameMaker, and if you want to work with Structured
FM files for print and web-based output, you may want to take a look at
DITA-FMx:
http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/
It will give you all the benefits of using an open, international OASIS
standard for
I am using structured FM. I set up my EDD with font characteristics
(document = highest level element, all context, font family arial).
Then I create a few files, imported my EDD, and the font all changed as
it should. But then when I click on that font in the file, it all says
*Body (as the
Do I have to create reference pages and conversion tables for structured
FM to create a good printed PDF, and work properly when imported into
RoboHelp? Or what is the general workflow for someone starting from
scratch with both FM and RoboHelp, and working to make a printed doc as
well as online
What versions are you running?
Art
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
I am using Adobe's Technical Communication Suite so FM8 and RoboHelp 7.
-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:24 AM
To: Adriana Harper
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Reference pages and conversion tables
Adriana Harper wrote:
> 1.I am working with Structured FM since I will be doing both print
> and web based help (using RoboHelp).
Let me stop you right there. The need to produce both print and help in
_no_way_ implies the need for structured documents. You're introducing
gobs of
Can you be clear on what problem(s) you are seeing with the TOC? It's
rather difficult to offer help when the problems is essentially
unknown...
When you setup the TOC, did you specify that it was based on elements,
or paragraphs?
If paragraph formats, then you will certainly have a TOC that is
It does sound like you have based your TOC on para tags, not elements.
Try redefining your TOC to search for elements instead. If you have trouble
differentiating between nested Head or Title elements, add Context Label
rules to your EDD. That will allow you to format the Head or Title para tags
I agree with Richard. Do you have a business requirement (DITA content, a
contract to deliver XML, or working with an XML content management
system?)to be in structured Frame? If not, you're taking on a bit much all
at the same time.
-Original Message-
From:
Hey, folks. What is your standard for organizing your template?
Do you have all ref pages, master pages, para tags, character tags,
variable definitions, etc., etc., represented identically in every file
of your template?
It easiest to update every file in a book with every formatting
I make a unique tag for every possible scenario so I can transfer all
formats without worrying about overrides.
Deirdre
On 12/12/08, Nancy Allison wrote:
>
> Hey, folks. What is your standard for organizing your template?
>
> Do you have all ref pages, master pages, para tags, character tags,
>
I like to have separate templates for:
-Chapter
-Front Matter
-TOC
-Index
I generally keep these in their own Book file, to keep the management easier
I have found that the UberTemplate results in too many definitions,
especially for the Master Pages and the Para Catalog.
-Original
I set the entry in the footers to use the <$chapnum> (or <$volnum>)
variable so that all chapters are the same and don't require manual
tweaking. Then set the value of the <$chapnum> variable to "Index" or
"Contents" or whatever, using the numbering properties tab for the
component in the book.
Our template is an FM book that includes sample files for all parts of a
manual (front cover, TOC, Preface, chapters, appendixes, glossary, index,
and back cover). The page layouts are different for the TOC, glossary and
index, and they have their own master pages, but the reference pages are the
Hey, Art and everybody. I followed Art's explanation, I think. Here's
what I just tried that worked:
I had had a tag called TitleNoNum, which I used for TOC, LOF, LOT, IOM,
etc. Autonumbering was deselected. The result was that the footer for
each of these files was -#, as in -3 instead of
Nancy,
In this instance you can eat your cake, and have it too.
In the book file, select the TOC file and from the menu select
Format > Document > Numbering, then select the Chapter tab. Select
Text format, and type your text in it. In this case TOC. Or whatever
you want. This value will be
If you use a specific template file for the first chapter, the first
Appendix, and one for Index, Glossary, and TOC, and a one for the
following chapter files and following Appendix files, you can set the
Document numbering for each and don't have to mess with them again.
They will
Hi,
I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering if
there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from my
Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be radically
different in the new docs, it would be useful to be able to reuse content
I try to keep everything for a template in one file, and I try to use
the same basic elemement definitions, master page names, paragraph and
character style names, etc. so that most of my templates are
interchangeable. If I need to convert an instruction sheet to a chapter
in a book, all I need to
Peter Gold was kind enough to suggest
MIF Filter for Adobe InDesign from DTPTools after he'd done a review of the
product. See for yourself at
http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid
Considering what I got, the cost (per page) was pretty extraordinary.
-Matt
-Original Message-
From:
> I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering if
> there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from my
> Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be radically
> different in the new docs, it would be useful to be able to reuse
Hello,
I have a question I am hoping someone can help me with.
I will be uploading all of my FM 7.2 files to XyEnterprise Contenta
Content Management System (CMS). Contenta does not allow certain
characters to be used in the file names. As the files are uploaded into
Contenta all of the
On 12/12/08, mulholland4 wrote:
> Hi,
> I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering if
> there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from my
> Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be radically
> different in the new docs,
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