Re: [Framers] San Serif Font?

We use google fonts almost exclusively these days -- Free, many have a wide range of weights, and they read well on screen. Added bonus: none of the wonky "available in application X but not in application Y" issues that Adobe fonts seem to be plagued by (on MacOS at least). To

Re: [Framers] Grammar, now with hyphens!

I second Lynne's advice! One additional point: if listing multiple items that have compound adjectives with the same noun being modified, it's customary to use the noun only on the last one. E.g.: The shop sells 2-, 4- and 10-gear bikes Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674

Re: [Framers] Retired

Hi Keith, You definitely have given back to the community-- I have many of your posts in my 'Ooh, that's a good thing to know, hang onto that for future reference!" file. Wishing you all the best in the next phase of your adventure! Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430

Re: [Framers] Update on printing issue with Windows 10 1803 Build

Hi All, any additional info on this issue, specifically when the fix might be released to the general public? We're still unable to save to PDF from Frame and are having frequent issues printing Frame docs. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 From: Stefan Gentz

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs InDesign

designers won't agree to learn it/won't retain it, or will only do it until you're no longer working with that company, at which point they will blissfully revert to creating the prettiest pages they can. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 | www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/24/17

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs InDesign

to the master page. But the catalog *looked* lovely! Tori Muir On 6/23/17, 11:03 AM, "Framers on behalf of Robert Lauriston" <framers-bounces+tmuir=spot-on-creative@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of rob...@lauriston.com> wrote: Or train someone else to use FrameMaker. S

Re: Adobe Customer Care-less - Yet another round

he end of the first-tier Customer Support phone line. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 5/30/15, 10:50 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: At 07:43 -0600 30/5/15, Tammy Van Boening wrote: Priyank came to my assistance and had

Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

up to a 27" Thunderbolt display (a mere 2560 x 1440 pixels), and it looks *awesome*. I'm not sure the exact resolution I'm running, as I use VMware Fusion and it has its own monitor settings within the virtual machine. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-

Re: Can't Generate PDF

again. Or if there are relatively few graphics, you can just add them back in 1-2 at a time. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/4/14, 11:15 AM, Karen Robbins wrote: Hello Framers, I recently updated a much-used 200+ Kb file and attempted to save

Re: Convert from FrameMaker to InDesign

I believe Rick Quatro might have scripts to do this? Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 1/7/14 3:16 PM, VLM TechSubs wrote: Greetings, Is there an easy way

Convert from FrameMaker to InDesign

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Re: Adobe announces next FrameMaker release, keeps licensing model

Hmmm. The path Creative Suite took: for the first year or two, subscription was offered as an option Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 9/10/13 12:38 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi, Here Adobe's licensing

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TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?

Quark XPress is also an alternative, was around 1-12 years before Adobe created InDesign. It's quite good. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 7/31/13 1:40 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > Robert Lauriston wr

Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?

to upgrade with each new release whether they want to or not, so barring the CS subscription-only model causing mass migration to other products (sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path. Monopolies are decidedly not consumer-friendly. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com

Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?

Quark XPress is also an alternative, was around 1-12 years before Adobe created InDesign. It's quite good. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 7/31/13 1:40 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Robert Lauriston wrote: Adobe has

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Re: Unwanted hairlines around graphics in pdfs created by FM11

Robert, be sure that your Distiller is using joboptions that have Acrobat compatibility set to Acrobat 5 or above. Acrobat 4 compatibility will produce the hairlines. That said, Mike is correct -- they do not print. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com

Unwanted hairlines around graphics in pdfs created by FM11

Robert, be sure that your Distiller is using joboptions that have Acrobat compatibility set to Acrobat 5 or above. Acrobat 4 compatibility will produce the hairlines. That said, Mike is correct -- they do not print. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Signed, and commented. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 5/21/13 12:37 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: Signed and with exactly the same reasons that Carol Elkins put in her email. Very well stated. TVB -Original Message- From: framers-boun

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Signed, and commented. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 5/21/13 12:37 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: > Signed and with exactly the same reasons that Carol Elkins put in her email. > Very well stated. > > TVB > > -Original M

Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

I am running Frame on a MacBook Pro, Win XP in VMware Fusion. I used to have Parallels as my emulator, but encountered the same issue you are experiencing. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 5/13/13 1:46 PM, Kristy

Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

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Re: mass update of system variable

Maybe contact Rick Quatro -- might be a job for his script wizardry. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/19/13 5:25 AM, etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote: Hello, I'd like to update the definition

mass update of system variable

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Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

financially if replacing Frame + RoboHelp? Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/1/13 11:22 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote: Syed - I've been using Frame since 1991 (Frame 2.0.) We've been evaluating MadCap Flare and were ready to switch, but when we looked

Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

up having to throw the problem over to Rick Quatro, who came up with an excellent scripted solution at a fraction of the upgrade cost. Which is quite possibly why I'm so peevish about the upgrade price:we spent $600/employee for nothing we could use. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com On 4

Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

eal financially if replacing Frame + RoboHelp? Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/1/13 11:22 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote: > Syed - > > I've been using Frame since 1991 (Frame 2.0.) > > We've been evaluating MadCap Flare and were ready t

Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

up having to throw the problem over to Rick Quatro, who came up with an excellent scripted solution at a fraction of the upgrade cost. Which is quite possibly why I'm so peevish about the upgrade price:we spent $600/employee for nothing we could use. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com

Re: OT: FM and InDesign

Yeah, but since this is Adobe we're talking about: He that lives upon hope will die fasting -- Benjamin Franklin Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 3/7/13 8:23 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: Sorry

OT: FM and InDesign

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Line numbering tables in FM11?

. -- Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers

Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

. Thank goodness for this list, it's a lifesaver. Or a job-saver, at any rate. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send

Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would number the top line, but how does it number the other 7? Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 2/25/13 1:03 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote: Hi Tori, After sending my note

Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

contributing ideas, it's been great seeing so many of Frame's capabilities I didn't know about! Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 2/25/13 2:11 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote: Correct, Richard. Tori, perhaps you could make the entire file a large table

Line numbering tables in FM11?

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Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would not be acceptable. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote: > Hi T

Line numbering tables in FM11?

Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would number the top line, but how does it number the other 7? Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 2/25/13 1:03 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote: > Hi Tori, > > After sendin

Line numbering tables in FM11?

ll who have been contributing ideas, it's been great seeing so many of Frame's capabilities I didn't know about! Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 2/25/13 2:11 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote: > Correct, Richard. > Tori, perhaps you could make the ent

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

, especially for those of us with eyeballs that have passed the half-century mark. And the chunky, clunky font is neither attractive nor easy to read. Loath though I am to praise anything emanating from Redmond, Word's interface is at present a lot better to work with. Tori

Frame 11 Appearance

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Re: Frame Word Frame -- is there a way to do this w/o going nuts?

any must-have features in v10 or v11. Onward! Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 1/30/13 7:25 AM, Art Campbell wrote: A couple of points I wouldn't work with the Word files at all if you have any

Frame > Word > Frame -- is there a way to do this w/o going nuts?

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we RTF the Word document, then use that to copy tables from (formatting them is time-consuming), and import the rest as plain text... Recommendations? Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com ___ You

Frame > Word > Frame -- is there a way to do this w/o going nuts?

we RTF the Word document, then use that to copy tables from (formatting them is time-consuming), and import the rest as plain text... Recommendations? Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com

Re: Template for four-page brochure?

master before PDF-ing. If your material is mostly text, it probably makes more sense to set up a master with 4 text flows, and you can probably use that as-is for both layout and printing. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 8/6/12 10:15 AM, Kenneth C

Template for four-page brochure?

master before PDF-ing. If your material is mostly text, it probably makes more sense to set up a master with 4 text flows, and you can probably use that as-is for both layout and printing. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 8/6/12 10:15 AM, Kenneth C

Re: Importing paragraph formats

the pasted paragraph.   -FR Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 8/21/11 1:55 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: Another way is to delete all but the "wanted" formats. Be sure not to save over (meaning ei

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Re: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

Funny, one of the hot new features of InDesign CS5 was the ability to... you guessed it, add multiple page sizes to a singe document! Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/23/11 6:11 PM, Writer wrote

Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

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I suspect the answer is 'no', but...

and convert them to text. Then generate PDF and manually add links to those cross-refs in the PDF. Is there a better way? -- Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com • 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers

Re: I suspect the answer is 'no', but...

Hmmm... we're using Frame 9. I know the template has a superscript character tag in it, but the production artist might not be using it correctly -- good thing to check! Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com • 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com David Spreadbury wrote

Re: I suspect the answer is 'no', but...

And further to this point: production artist has confirmed she was not using the character tag -- David's correct, if the tag is used, all works as it should. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com • 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Tori Muir wrote: Hmmm... we're using Frame 9. I

I suspect the answer is 'no', but...

and convert them to text. Then generate PDF and manually add links to those cross-refs in the PDF. Is there a better way? -- Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com ? 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com

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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

to be able to edit more easily. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com • 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Dr Rick Smith wrote: I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a Light version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven

Frame Light, what's the potential market?

ogram to be able to edit more easily. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com ? 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Dr Rick Smith wrote: > I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the > market for a "Light" version of their product. > > I thoug

Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4

a dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much faster to work with. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com • 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Davis, Jessica D. wrote: On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing. Not only has it taken me

framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4

ing become a dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much faster to work with. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com ? 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Davis, Jessica D. wrote: > On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing. > Not o

Yoicks! Need to clean up very crufty Frame files

? I have clean, well-built templates the info could be moved into, but how to do that while keeping the template clean? Would the best solution be just bite the bullet and blow everything out to plain text and start over? -- Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com • 650.430.8674 www.spot

Yoicks! Need to clean up very crufty Frame files

have clean, well-built templates the info could be moved into, but how to do that while keeping the template clean? Would the best solution be just bite the bullet and blow everything out to plain text and start over? -- Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com ? 650.430.8674 www.spot

Re: Frame on the Mac

not a big problem. Like Rick, we have no performance complaints. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 7/24/10 6:50 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote: On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31 AM, boe...@gedok.com wrote: Hi, there, we here were working as long as possible

Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

In terms of the ability to see PDFs like they do, having Adobe Reader on the same system as Adobe Acrobat is not going to assist you. In terms of proper engineering and QA discipline, such testing should occur on a system that has only the operating system installed, no extra fonts installed,

Frame on the Mac

not a big problem. Like Rick, we have no performance complaints. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 7/24/10 6:50 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote: > On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31 AM, boenat at gedok.com wrote: > > >> Hi, there, >> >> w

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

> In terms of the ability to "see PDFs like they do," having Adobe Reader > on the same system as Adobe Acrobat is not going to assist you. In terms > of proper engineering and QA discipline, such testing should occur on a > system that has only the operating system installed, no "extra fonts" >

Re: Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

Thanks, good suggestion! Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/17/10 6:25 AM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: I don't know anything about going from FM to Eclipse Help directly, but if they use TCS2 they can do FM to RH to Eclipse Help. -Original

Re: Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

Good golly. I think the answer to all of these is 'no', but not even sure what HAT is...? Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/17/10 7:26 AM, Bill Swallow wrote: Do they have an existing stylesheet? Is this context-sensitive? Do they require set

Re: Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

thanks! Another tiny sector of my ignorance reclaimed... Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/17/10 9:52 AM, Bill Swallow wrote: Help Authoring Tool (RoboHelp, WebWorks, Mif2Go, Flare...) On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Tori Muirtm...@spot

Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

Thanks, good suggestion! Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/17/10 6:25 AM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: > I don't know anything about going from FM to Eclipse Help directly, but if > they use TCS2 they can do FM to RH to Eclips

Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

Good golly. I think the answer to all of these is 'no', but not even sure what HAT is...? Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/17/10 7:26 AM, Bill Swallow wrote: > Do they have an existing stylesheet? > Is this context-sensitive

Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

thanks! Another tiny sector of my ignorance reclaimed... Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 6/17/10 9:52 AM, Bill Swallow wrote: > Help Authoring Tool (RoboHelp, WebWorks, Mif2Go, Flare...) > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Tori Muir

Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

on how to find a provider? I don't think geography is a consideration, this could all be done remotely. Thanks for any recommendations of boards/services/individuals! Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers

Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

on how to find a provider? I don't think geography is a consideration, this could all be done remotely. Thanks for any recommendations of boards/services/individuals! Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com

Re: Thought for the day

I found 'nice' to be most troubling after having married a Brit. In that US it's a bit of a limp compliment, but in the UK it carries stronger positiveness. Did you like the curry? It was nice, thanks has a totally different effect in the two dialects, especially to her who cooked the curry!

Thought for the day

I found 'nice' to be most troubling after having married a Brit. In that US it's a bit of a limp compliment, but in the UK it carries stronger positiveness. "Did you like the curry?" "It was nice, thanks" has a totally different effect in the two dialects, especially to her who cooked the

Re: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter

manual that was already completely formatted. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/19/10 4:02 PM, Mike Bradley wrote: NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame to the body page instead of the master page

Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter

manual that was already completely formatted. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/19/10 4:02 PM, Mike Bradley wrote: >> NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame >> > to the body page &

Re: Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

on each page, even a small improvement in processing time will add up. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/14/10 2:42 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: Pete Roebber wrote: You're not using OLE (File Import Object), are you? Use File Import File

Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

earing on each page, even a small improvement in processing time will add up. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/14/10 2:42 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Pete Roebber wrote: > > >>> You're not using OLE (File> Import&g

How to get EPS with transparent background in Frame?

saving as CS2 EPS, and Illustrator 10 EPS, with the same results. How does one get Frame 9 to acknowledge the transparency in an EPS file? -- Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com ___ You are currently subscribed

How to get EPS with transparent background in Frame?

saving as CS2 EPS, and Illustrator 10 EPS, with the same results. How does one get Frame 9 to acknowledge the transparency in an EPS file? -- Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com

Semi-tangential: Symbol font is not being correctly embedded in FrameMaker PDF

I can move the .ps file to my Macintosh and distill via Acrobat Distiller 9.2, and that PDF is correct. But was hoping someone has a bright idea why Acrobat Distiller has suddenly decided it can't find Symbol, and even better, a way to fix it Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com www.spot

Semi-tangential: Symbol font is not being correctly embedded in FrameMaker PDF

I can move the .ps file to my Macintosh and distill via Acrobat Distiller 9.2, and that PDF is correct. But was hoping someone has a bright idea why Acrobat Distiller has suddenly decided it can't find Symbol, and even better, a way to fix it Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com

Re: How to find Unavailable Fonts

They can be in EPS graphics, for one. Not sure if an embedded PDF would trigger the problem, since theoretically the PDF would either have the fonts embedded in itself, or make an on-the-fly substitution. Tori On 1/11/10 11:20 AM, l...@farmedia.com wrote: I vaguely remember that fonts can

Re: Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0

into Photoshop/Paint worth it due to the superior graphic quality. Tori Muir On 7/13/09 2:43 PM, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote: As a novice Frame user, I am currently doing the same thing (taking a 350 page Word manual and moving to FrameMaker 9). As a long time, highly

Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0

m Word into Photoshop/Paint worth it due to the superior graphic quality. Tori Muir On 7/13/09 2:43 PM, "Alison Craig" wrote: > > As a novice Frame user, I am currently doing the same thing (taking a 350 page > Word manual and moving to FrameMaker 9). > > As a long ti