Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of
my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation.
for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful
information through this mailing list. I would like to add
references to these posts to our
Jakob,
I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you
will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I
would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a
body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to
the author.
I
Art,
I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. :-)
On 26/01/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jakob,
I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you
will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I
would submit
I'm so glad that the technical ability to do it has superceded the
wishes of people who are taking their time to help other list
members.
I'm sure I can find instructions and links on the web to crack
someone's IT enterprise. That must make it OK too.
--- Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:43:53 -0500
I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not
still copyright by the author.
Art
_
Express yourself
, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:14 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Hello,
for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information
Stuart...that is not even close to what I object to. Posting a fully
formed URL for easier use by list members within the approved list
community and posting a URL in a source I know nothing about, for use
by people I know nothing about, used in a way and context I know
nothing about are two
Jakob Fix wrote:
Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I
need:
http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/
And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you click on any of these
links, the email is shown as [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that
If it gets that far, it is only because the request that I made on
this forum was ignored.
Besides...that isn't extortion. That would be if I came out of
nowhere and threatened harm. I'd only be responding to what I
perceive as harm made first to me.
going to make Jakob question how important
Hello,
for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful
information through this mailing list. I would like to add references
to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL
per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris
mailing list software
Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of
my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation.
> for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful
> information through this mailing list. I would like to add
> references to these posts to our
John,
On 26/01/06, John Posada wrote:
> Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of
> my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation.
ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links just as references
for internal howto documents to be shared with
> ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links
> just as references for internal howto documents to be
> shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation
> that will be distributed to clients, if that's
> your concern.
Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding.
Why? you may
at lists.frameusers.com]
-> On Behalf Of John Posada
-> Sent: 26. januar 2006 15:36
-> To: Jakob Fix; Framers List
-> Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
->
-> > ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links just
-> as references
-> > for
> Would copying and pasting into internal documetation
> be any better?
> I don't think so.
Chances are that if the information is copied and pasted, not
everything ffrom the message is included...headers, sigs, and other
attributes would be stripped out. A URL includes everything.
I'm not
John,
On 26/01/06, John Posada wrote:
> > ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links
> > just as references for internal howto documents to be
> > shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation
> > that will be distributed to clients, if that's
> > your concern.
>
> Sorry,
> If I'd simply asked for "easy access to previous
> posts via a simple one-URL-per-post scheme instead
> of a long and not always successful
> search in the mailing list archive", you would have
> agreed, or wouldn't you?
If it means a direct URL to a post by non-members out of the control
Jakob,
I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you
will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I
would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a
body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to
the author.
I
Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly
what I need:
http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/
All is well now (except maybe for John P. :-))
--
cheers,
Jakob.
Art,
I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. :-)
On 26/01/06, Art Campbell wrote:
> Jakob,
>
> I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you
> will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I
> would submit that because
I'm so glad that the technical ability to do it has superceded the
wishes of people who are taking their time to help other list
members.
I'm sure I can find instructions and links on the web to crack
someone's IT enterprise. That must make it OK too.
--- Jakob Fix wrote:
> Sorry, just found
I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not
still copyright by the author.
Art
On 1/26/06, Jakob Fix wrote:
> Art,
>
> I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer.
> :-)
>
> On 26/01/06, Art Campbell wrote:
> > Jakob,
> >
> > I
to be more of a rights violation to me than
publishing a URL to a public archive.
My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel (particularly on intellectual
property
issues...)
Fred Ridder
Intel
Parsippany, NJ
>From: Art Campbell
>To: Jakob Fix
>CC: Framers List
>Subject: Re: add
> a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also
> think nobody will be able to tell whether or not
>I put these links in an internal
> document or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-).
Wrong. more than once I've received real voice phone calls from
people who saw my name on a post,
of TuVox, Inc.
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:14 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Hello
John Posada wrote:
>I could get an email from
> someone at your company asking for more information.
>
> If that happens, I WILL be contacting your legal department on
> copyright infringement and I HAVE retained the posts on this thread
> as proof that I don't approve of my posts being used.
>
Stuart...that is not even close to what I object to. Posting a fully
formed URL for easier use by list members within the approved list
community and posting a URL in a source I know nothing about, for use
by people I know nothing about, used in a way and context I know
nothing about are two
Fix; Framers List
Subject: RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Dear Jakob,
I'm glad that you received useful information from the list. I have had
exactly the same experience. I applaud your thought of sharing this
bounty. However, using gmane.org, you can not do this fairly without
contacting each
Jakob Fix wrote:
> Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I
> need:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/
And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you click on any of these
links, the email is shown as "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so
This is probably all true and just a small maybe its not. However,
I'll bet that Jakob's employers wouldn't want to be the subject of
finding out if it is or not and should his corporate attorney receive
correspondence from me, they'll going to make Jakob question how
important the information in
If it gets that far, it is only because the request that I made on
this forum was ignored.
Besides...that isn't extortion. That would be if I came out of
nowhere and threatened harm. I'd only be responding to what I
perceive as harm made first to me.
> > going to make Jakob question how
> And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you
> click on any of these links, the email is shown as
> "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the
> address...
I'm not concerned about spammers. I'm concerned about a solution or
process being proposed internally with me being
Your intent is to post information or a link to that information that
you know is protected, without consent from the owner. You ask how much
the link is worth. How much is a clear conscience worth or your
reputation with the folks on this list?
> How much is this link worth? And who does it
.
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From: framers-bounces+theorem37=gmail@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+theorem37=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:44 AM
To: Jakob Fix
Cc: Framers List
Subject: Re: add Framers list
I agree with John P.
At 11:00 AM -0800 1/26/06, John Posada wrote:
> > And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you
>> click on any of these links, the email is shown as
>> "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the
>> address...
>
>I'm not concerned about spammers. I'm concerned about a solution or
tfair.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+mark.levitt=betfair.com at lists.frameuse
> rs.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
> Sent: 26 January 2006 17:43
> To: John Posada
> Cc: Framers List
> Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
>
> John Posada wr
> From: John Posada [mailto:jposada01 at yahoo.com]
> This is probably all true and just a small maybe its not.
> However, I'll bet that Jakob's employers wouldn't want to be
> the subject of finding out if it is or not and should his
> corporate attorney receive correspondence from me,
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