Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Glad you're working with Miramo on a solution. Always best to take on these weirdnesses as far up the chain as possible, wherever that may lead you. Good luck! On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jakob Fix jakob@gmail.com wrote: I would just like to thank everybody on the list who chimed in

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Glad you're working with Miramo on a solution. Always best to take on these weirdnesses as far up the chain as possible, wherever that may lead you. Good luck! On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jakob Fix wrote: > I would just like to thank everybody on the list who chimed in with > ideas,

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Hello, I've now spent hours scouring the list archive and reading dozens of posts dealing with apparently the same problem as us, but none of the workarounds and solutions work for us.  Please allow me to expose the problem: We have a book containing about 500 unstructured one-page documents

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

That should work. These are the book settings, correct? The FM file settings are irrelevent in a book setting unless the book is set to inherit the properties from the files. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jakob Fix jakob@gmail.com wrote: These are our settings: - next available page is

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Next Available Page isn't the only setting to check in the book. Make sure that you aren't requiring that chapters open on Right pages -- that's the most common setting and it'll force the preceding chapter to add a page so the current chapter hits the Right page. Art Campbell

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

To clarify this... if you're opening a component file outside the book environment, the file's settings are used, so if you want consistent behavior, the file pagination settings need to match the book's. The book pagination only applies if the book environment is present. So if you're also

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

While very true (you can't have a piece of paper with only one face, at least not without applying a hefty dose of quantum physics) this shouldn't affect the book from chapter to chapter IF the book file has its own settings and is not inheriting pagination from the files. Double check the book

RE: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] De la part de Bill Swallow Envoyé : 16 décembre 2009 09:54 À : Art Campbell Cc : Framers List Objet : Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii) While very true (you can't have a piece of paper with only one face, at least not without

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I checked this and found the Pagination Start: Anywhere for the first paragraph (which is actually the table itself). On the second page the only thing that's visible (if text symbols is toggled on) is the § sign. Another

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

The Section symbol is a paragraph. So if it's on the second page... you have content there even if there's no textual content. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

There are two settings that affect pagination: - The Before Saving Printing setting - The 1st Page Side setting (in the following chapter) Both of these are found in two locations: the Pagination settings in each chapter and the Pagination settings in the book file. The Pagination settings in

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:07, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote: The Section symbol is a paragraph. So if it's on the second page... you have content there even if there's no textual content. So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't delete it. Which makes

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already two-page documents with the second page containing simply an empty paragraph. Mea culpa! Aha! And yes, just because it's empty doesn't mean it's not there.

RE: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Jakob Fix wrote: So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't delete it. Which makes perfect sense. Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already two-page documents with

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

You're all right of course, the best thing would be to fix the file generation by Miramo. Barring that, FrameScript seems like an acceptable fall-back solution. Thanks for everybody's replies and help, it's been most helpful to understand a problem we're fighting with for a quite long time!

RE: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Hi Jakob, You can tell that it's a disconnected page by choosing View Text Symbols and looking at the page. You can see the section symbol on the second page, so you know that it is not connected to the page the contains your table. The first thing I would check it to find out why Miramo is

RE: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Rick Quatro wrote: You can tell that it's a disconnected page by choosing View Text Symbols and looking at the page. You can see the section symbol on the second page, so you know that it is not connected to the page the contains your table. Hmm, I'd forgotten to consider the possibility

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Jakob Fix wrote: Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I checked this and found the Pagination Start: Anywhere for the first paragraph (which is actually the table itself). The table itself, the Table Title pgf, or the pgf containing the table anchor? All three

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Please find a screenshot of the section break/discontinued page here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfix/4190175063/sizes/o/ Page eight is the first page, page nine the last page of the document. Although Rick explained it to me, I still have problems recognizing that this is a disconnected page

RE: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Hi Jakob, Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com

RE: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Rick Quatro wrote: Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected. Since the screenshot shows the table ending near the bottom of the

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

I don't have FrameMaker available now, but IIRC, there's a setting under Edit Update that can turn off automatic checking of links when a file is opened. I can't remember if it's book-wide, document-wide, or application-wide, depending on the active context when you set it. Regards, Peter

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Jakob, Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected. Or select the entire table (Ctrl-triple-click) and

RE: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Peter Gold wrote: I don't have FrameMaker available now, but IIRC, there's a setting under Edit Update that can turn off automatic checking of links when a file is opened. I can't remember if it's book-wide, document-wide, or application-wide, depending on the active context when you set

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Thanks Stuart, all very useful information. It's been some time that I haven't used FrameMaker in-depth ... Jakob. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:24, Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote: Jakob Fix wrote: Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I checked

Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

I would just like to thank everybody on the list who chimed in with ideas, comments and help for their replies. Initially, I thought the fact that we generate the files with Miramo was secondary, but thanks to the list I was proven wrong. I've learned a lot today, and it was a pleasure doing so.

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Hello, I've now spent hours scouring the list archive and reading dozens of posts dealing with apparently the same problem as us, but none of the workarounds and solutions work for us. ?Please allow me to expose the problem: We have a book containing about 500 unstructured one-page documents

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

That should work. These are the book settings, correct? The FM file settings are irrelevent in a book setting unless the book is set to inherit the properties from the files. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jakob Fix wrote: > These are our settings: > - next available page is applied to all

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

"Next Available Page" isn't the only setting to check in the book. Make sure that you aren't requiring that chapters open on Right pages -- that's the most common setting and it'll force the preceding chapter to add a page so the current chapter hits the Right page. Art Campbell

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

To clarify this... if you're opening a component file outside the book environment, the file's settings are used, so if you want consistent behavior, the file pagination settings need to match the book's. The book pagination only applies if the book environment is present. So if you're also

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

While very true (you can't have a piece of paper with only one face, at least not without applying a hefty dose of quantum physics) this shouldn't affect the book from chapter to chapter IF the book file has its own settings and is not inheriting pagination from the files. Double check the book

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

ces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] De la part de Bill Swallow Envoy??: 16 d?cembre 2009 09:54 ??: Art Campbell Cc?: Framers List Objet?: Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii) While very true (you can't have a piece of paper with only one face, at le

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I checked this and found the Pagination > Start: Anywhere for the first paragraph (which is actually the table itself). On the second page the only thing that's visible (if text symbols is toggled on) is the ? sign. Another

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

The Section symbol is a paragraph. So if it's on the second page... you have content there even if there's no textual content. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

There are two settings that affect pagination: - The "Before Saving & Printing" setting - The "1st Page Side" setting (in the following chapter) Both of these are found in two locations: the Pagination settings in each chapter and the Pagination settings in the book file. The Pagination settings

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

> Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and > it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already > two-page documents with the second page containing simply an empty > paragraph. Mea culpa! Aha! And yes, just because it's empty doesn't mean it's not

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Jakob Fix wrote: > So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't > delete it. Which makes perfect sense. > > Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and > it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already > two-page documents

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

You're all right of course, the best thing would be to fix the file generation by Miramo. Barring that, FrameScript seems like an acceptable fall-back solution. Thanks for everybody's replies and help, it's been most helpful to understand a problem we're fighting with for a quite long time!

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Hi Jakob, You can tell that it's a disconnected page by choosing View > Text Symbols and looking at the page. You can see the section symbol on the second page, so you know that it is not connected to the page the contains your table. The first thing I would check it to find out why Miramo is

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Rick Quatro wrote: > You can tell that it's a disconnected page by choosing View > Text Symbols > and looking at the page. You can see the section symbol on the second page, > so you know that it is not connected to the page the contains your table. Hmm, I'd forgotten to consider the

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

> But the last page of the doc is always going to have a section symbol > (end of flow). I meant the last _non-empty_ page, of course. :-} Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Jakob Fix wrote: > Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I > checked this and found the Pagination > Start: Anywhere for the first > paragraph (which is actually the table itself). The table itself, the Table Title pgf, or the pgf containing the table anchor? All three

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Hi Richard, I forgot to mention that Jabok send me some of his files to look at. That's how I knew about the disconnected page. Rick Hmm, I'd forgotten to consider the possibility of a disconnected page. But the last page of the doc is always going to have a section symbol (end of flow). If

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Please find a screenshot of the section break/discontinued page here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfix/4190175063/sizes/o/ Page eight is the first page, page nine the last page of the document. Although Rick explained it to me, I still have problems recognizing that this is a disconnected page

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Hi Jakob, Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Text insets and cross-references that are updated automatically (upon opening the file),? even if no changes result, will also cause Frame to think the file is modified.? Took me a while to figure that out, as it is very confusing to simply open a file and have FM indicate that it's been

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Rick Quatro wrote: > Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key > several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to > page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected. Since the screenshot shows the table ending near the bottom of

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

I don't have FrameMaker available now, but IIRC, there's a setting under Edit > Update that can turn off automatic checking of links when a file is opened. I can't remember if it's book-wide, document-wide, or application-wide, depending on the active context when you set it. Regards, Peter

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Jakob, > > Click in the paragraph on the second page. Now press your up arrow key > several times. If this was a connected page, the cursor would move up to > page one, but it never will because the page is disconnected. > Or select the entire table (Ctrl-triple-click)

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Peter Gold wrote: > I don't have FrameMaker available now, but IIRC, there's a setting > under Edit > Update that can turn off automatic checking of links when > a file is opened. I can't remember if it's book-wide, document-wide, > or application-wide, depending on the active context when you

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

Thanks Stuart, all very useful information. It's been some time that I haven't used FrameMaker in-depth ... Jakob. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:24, Stuart Rogers wrote: > Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I >> checked this and found the

how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)

I would just like to thank everybody on the list who chimed in with ideas, comments and help for their replies. Initially, I thought the fact that we generate the files with Miramo was secondary, but thanks to the list I was proven wrong. I've learned a lot today, and it was a pleasure doing so.