Context/Level Rules - Several Levels Deep

[Kristy Nolan]

Hello, Framers – 

I’ve been doing really well at figuring out how to format context and level rules with my EDD. Lots of trial and error, but it has greatly improved everything.

However, I have one element giving me fits that I can’t figure out how to get it to nest properly. This is a bulleted list that falls under a note. The note is nested into an ordered letter list that is inside another ordered list. Kind
 of like this:
1. ordered
 A. lettered
 Note: 

-
Bulleted

I’ve tried a context rule that lists every parent in order, level rules of various combinations, context rules that use * to include anything in between. I don’t know what I am missing in this case. If anyone is good with these rules, I
 am happy to share my EDD and a chapter to help me figure out my error. Worst case, these few structures get manual overrides (I know, that’s a bad thing).

Thanks for any guidance!
Kristy


Kristy Nolan
Manager Flight Ops Publications
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Re: Character Format Issue

[Kristy Nolan]

Thanks for that advice! That parallels what Rick Quattro helped me with yesterday.


I also want to say thanks to this entire group for all the help over the years. An amazing source of information. I brag about the ability to get answers to the rest of my department (who are working in another authoring tool that takes ages to get answers,
 let alone solutions). When I posted my question yesterday, I had people offering assistance within about 10 minutes. Don't doubt the power of this community!


Happy Friday!

Kristy



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On May 1, 2015, at 5:35 AM, Heiko Haida i...@heiko-haida.de wrote:




Hi Kristy,
if the Bold font is available and the corresponding character format is defined and used correctly in the template, the only reason would be a AutonumCharFormat defined in the EDD that overrides the template (specifying a different character format).

Of course, this would not explain why you can apply another formatting, like Bold Underline...
About the tables: I could try to answer a specific question, but my range of experience with this issue is limited.
Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin


Kristy Nolan:



Hi, fellow Framers – 

I am working on cleaning up our EDD for our manuals, Frame 11. We have 3 types of alerts (note, caution, warning) that pretty much follow the same rules, so are set up the same as much as possible. I have the caution and warning doing exactly
 what I need them to do with Autonumber Format as “Caution:� or “Warning:� and the Character Format as “Bold Underline.� Since I am trying to match (where possible) our Arbortext DTD and styles, I need the “Note:� to be just Bold.


However, the bold is not showing up. I can change it to everything else, including Bold DoubleUnderline or Blue, and it displays as prescribed. Just not plain bold. Spacing all works, nesting/indenting works fine. What can I be missing?

Also, if you are good at table format structuring and are willing to answer questions, I am having trouble with those. Right now those are still just done in my template through table designer with only the very basic set up in the EDD.

Thanks for any advice anyone can give on this!
Kristy


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Character Format Issue

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, fellow Framers -

I am working on cleaning up our EDD for our manuals, Frame 11. We have 3 types 
of alerts (note, caution, warning) that pretty much follow the same rules, so 
are set up the same as much as possible. I have the caution and warning doing 
exactly what I need them to do with Autonumber Format as Caution: or 
Warning: and the Character Format as Bold Underline. Since I am trying to 
match (where possible) our Arbortext DTD and styles, I need the Note: to be 
just Bold.

However, the bold is not showing up. I can change it to everything else, 
including Bold DoubleUnderline or Blue, and it displays as prescribed. Just not 
plain bold. Spacing all works, nesting/indenting works fine. What can I be 
missing?

Also, if you are good at table format structuring and are willing to answer 
questions, I am having trouble with those. Right now those are still just done 
in my template through table designer with only the very basic set up in the 
EDD.

Thanks for any advice anyone can give on this!
Kristy


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Re: Saving a PDF so that it can be edited in Adobe Reader

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Title: Saving a PDF so that it can be edited in Adobe Reader



Reader XI has that functionality built in. Nothing you need to do. This makes it so much easier for us. They just can't extract or add pages.

Kristy


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On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com wrote:








I think you’ve got it – isn’t there some option to create a PDF for review that allows all that functionality?



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Sent: February-11-14 1:08 PM
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Subject: Saving a PDF so that it can be edited in Adobe Reader



FM 10.x. all patched and current and Adobe Acrobat Pro X, all patched and current
I create my book in Framemaker, print the book to a .ps file and then manually
distill it into a PDF. I open the PDF in Adobe Acrobat Pro and save the PDF as Reader Extended  Enable Commenting and Measuring.
I want my editors to be able to not only add comments, but also edit text - strike through it,
note insertions, etc.

Using Acrobat Reader XI, will my users be able to do this based on the option that I am using for the Reader Extended PDF or only commenting an option? What can I do to make the
 PDF editable in terms of striking out text, etc? 
Thanks,
TVB
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Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

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Saving as PDF Loses Elements

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Hi, guys!

Apparently this has been an ongoing issue with my Team across multiple books, 
but no one told me. I realized because I was generating a book today. Using 
Structured Frame X.

All works fine at the chapter level, but the problem is at the book level. When 
saving as a PDF, we need to generate bookmarks using Elements, but they are not 
available. The whole list is blank. If I switch back to Paragraphs, the list of 
those is there. (I do see all of my elements at the chapter level.) Any idea 
what I could be missing? All the same boxes are checked between chapter and 
book Save as PDF.

Thanks!
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[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

Apparently this has been an ongoing issue with my Team across multiple books, 
but no one told me. I realized because I was generating a book today. Using 
Structured Frame X.

All works fine at the chapter level, but the problem is at the book level. When 
saving as a PDF, we need to generate bookmarks using Elements, but they are not 
available. The whole list is blank. If I switch back to Paragraphs, the list of 
those is there. (I do see all of my elements at the chapter level.) Any idea 
what I could be missing? All the same boxes are checked between chapter and 
book "Save as PDF."

Thanks!
Kristy


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Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

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Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

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Hi, guys!


Thanks for the input! Update is that I have downloaded and installed Service Pack 3 for my Windows XP, deleted all previous attempts at downloading Frame, and re-downloaded the trial using Firefox. I made sure i was strictly on a Windows side (no coherence).
 Result is still no Frame. I tried to ask the online support at Adobe, but he took way too long to respond (and had to catch a flight).


I'll try again when I get back home (even though my trial clock is ticking). Making it hard to rationalize the idea of purchasing this on my own dime. As much as I love Frame, I may have to move to a different paradigm.


Truly appreciate all the input!

Kristy


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On May 14, 2013, at 8:58 PM, MikeyShine mikeysh...@gmail.com wrote:




Good call Jeff I had just assumed she downloaded it though the virtual machine but I can def see where this could create a potential issue!



On May 13, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com wrote:






image002.jpg

What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox from within the Windows virtual machine – I think Adobe is using 7Zip to compress the files, so under WinXP you’ll need
 to install that to unzip it (IIRC).



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To: FrameUsers List
Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?



Hi, all-

Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook,
 so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading
 multiple times. I’ve tried moving all the files to an Explorer window.

Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP.

Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.

Thanks!
Kristy






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Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

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Hi, all-

Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to 
install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know 
it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have 
Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives 
me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I 
have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an 
Explorer window.

Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, 
Windows XP.

Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.

Thanks!
Kristy





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Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

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Hi, all-

Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to 
install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know 
it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have 
Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives 
me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I 
have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an 
Explorer window.

Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, 
Windows XP.

Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.

Thanks!
Kristy





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Slightly OT: Word Choice for iPad App

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Hi, all!

Please forgive the slightly off topic question.
If any of you have done any documenting of iPad apps (or any tablet for that 
matter), what word do you use for choosing the actual app? On a computer we 
usually use click or select. So is this touch, select, open?

Thanks!
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Slightly OT: Word Choice for iPad App

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Hi, all!

Please forgive the slightly off topic question.
If any of you have done any documenting of iPad apps (or any tablet for that 
matter), what word do you use for choosing the actual app? On a computer we 
usually use click or select. So is this touch, select, open?

Thanks!
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Reappearing Change Bars

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Hi, all!

I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either.

In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that 
have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent 
revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross 
references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process 
because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from 
the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn't always 
appear in the FrameMaker file.
I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts?

The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point 
(although I don't see how that would affect this).

Thanks!
Kristy


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Re: Reappearing Change Bars

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No, we don't have change bars on automatic.KristyKristy NolanCentral Pubs - Flight OpsOn Mar 1, 2013, at 8:21 AM, "Peter Hirons" pe...@galley.ie wrote:
image002.jpgKristy,Do you have Automatic Change Bars turned on? (Format | Document | Change bars )FM re-creates X-refs every time it prints (or creates a PDF) and that could trigger a new changebar.PeterFrom: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy NolanSent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:01 PMTo: FrameUsers ListSubject: Reappearing Change BarsHi, all!I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either.In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn’t always appear in the FrameMaker file. I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point (although I don’t see how that would affect this).Thanks!KristyKristy NolanManager, Flight OperationsCentral Publications HDQ-1CPSouthwest Airlines2702 Love Field Dr.Dallas, TX 75235214-792-6142*** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ***This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___


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Reappearing Change Bars

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either.

In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that 
have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent 
revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross 
references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process 
because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from 
the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn't always 
appear in the FrameMaker file.
I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts?

The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point 
(although I don't see how that would affect this).

Thanks!
Kristy


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Southwest Airlines
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Adobe FrameMaker 10 does not start - Workaround

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Hey, guys!

For those of you without admin rights (like me), we found a temporary work 
around here. Double click the time and date that is normally in the bottom 
right of your screen. Change the date to anytime in 2012. Open Frame. From here 
you can either correct the date to today's correct date or leave as is. 
Changing it to correct means you will have to repeat the process to reopen 
Frame. Works for now (and while I wait for our Tech team to actually make any 
fix even though I sent them the info).

Hope it works for you too!
Kristy

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Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
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[Kristy Nolan]

First, thanks to all who have helped with my EDD questions recently. I know I 
am on the right track. A great help!

For today's question, I seem to have some formatting coming in that I cannot 
figure out where it originated. These issues have to do with character 
formatting, which I have set up in the EDD. The paragraph is one of the few I 
have not gotten to quite work right in the EDD, so have it set up in the 
paragraph catalog. When I import the EDD and style sheet into the content, all 
characters look correct. However, if I apply the character to a word, it 
changes size. This happens in all three of my alert types: Note, Caution, and 
Warning. It does not occur anywhere else. Nowhere (that I can find) is 12 pt 
related to any alert.

Here's the example. Note is a paragraph format. B737 AOM is a title that should 
be italicized. If already marked TXT Italics before importing the EDD and style 
sheet, stays at the correct 10 pt Arial, as is the rest of the para. When I 
apply TXT Italics from the list of allowable elements after importing the EDD 
and style sheet, it becomes 12 pt Arial. The italics part does work.

Any ideas where to look? Or what to fix?

Thanks for any input!
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[Kristy Nolan]

First, thanks to all who have helped with my EDD questions recently. I know I 
am on the right track. A great help!

For today's question, I seem to have some formatting coming in that I cannot 
figure out where it originated. These issues have to do with character 
formatting, which I have set up in the EDD. The paragraph is one of the few I 
have not gotten to quite work right in the EDD, so have it set up in the 
paragraph catalog. When I import the EDD and style sheet into the content, all 
characters look correct. However, if I apply the character to a word, it 
changes size. This happens in all three of my alert types: Note, Caution, and 
Warning. It does not occur anywhere else. Nowhere (that I can find) is 12 pt 
related to any alert.

Here's the example. Note is a paragraph format. B737 AOM is a title that should 
be italicized. If already marked TXT Italics before importing the EDD and style 
sheet, stays at the correct 10 pt Arial, as is the rest of the para. When I 
apply TXT Italics from the list of allowable elements after importing the EDD 
and style sheet, it becomes 12 pt Arial. The italics part does work.

Any ideas where to look? Or what to fix?

Thanks for any input!
Kristy


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Formatting in EDD

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi guys!

Frame 10, structured question. I am trying to clean up our EDD and can't figure 
out how to designate some formatting. I have elements for Note, Caution, and 
Warning. Most of the formatting is fine (e.g., font, size, weight). However, 
the direction I have is single underline Caution and double underline 
Warning. Not the whole paragraph, just the term. I know how to do this if I 
go the style sheet route where I designate everything there.

I tried creating character formats in the EDD - one for single and one for 
double underlines, but not working. May not even be on the right track there.

Thoughts?

Thanks!
Kristy


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[Kristy Nolan]

Hi guys!

Frame 10, structured question. I am trying to clean up our EDD and can't figure 
out how to designate some formatting. I have elements for Note, Caution, and 
Warning. Most of the formatting is fine (e.g., font, size, weight). However, 
the direction I have is single underline "Caution" and double underline 
"Warning." Not the whole paragraph, just the term. I know how to do this if I 
go the style sheet route where I designate everything there.

I tried creating character formats in the EDD - one for single and one for 
double underlines, but not working. May not even be on the right track there.

Thoughts?

Thanks!
Kristy


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RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Lisa!

Is your EDD set up with all of the paragraph formatting or do you have a 
separate style sheet? We have used both methods (and a hybrid) here. You may 
have conflicting formatting rules that are causing the problems.

Kristy

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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 12:24 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Hello All,

FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to 
unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh).

The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the 
text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema.  When we wrap the 
text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to body 
and we have to reapply the format.

We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. 
We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. 
We've also looked at using the TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag options 
but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element.

Does anyone have any other ideas?

BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, 
EDD, etc.

Thank you in advance!

Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst

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Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Lisa!

Is your EDD set up with all of the paragraph formatting or do you have a 
separate style sheet? We have used both methods (and a hybrid) here. You may 
have conflicting formatting rules that are causing the problems.

Kristy

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Hello All,

FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to 
unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh).

The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the 
text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema.  When we wrap the 
text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to "body" 
and we have to reapply the format.

We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. 
We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. 
We've also looked at using the "TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag" options 
but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element.

Does anyone have any other ideas?

BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, 
EDD, etc.

Thank you in advance!

Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst

E-mail: lfreeman at oneil.com


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Autoinsert Text in Structured Document

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

We are working in Structured Frame 10. I am trying to add a specific element to 
my EDD (I know the basics, and am actually pretty pleased with the overall 
EDD). 

In our documents we have requirements to mark things with a sensitive security 
information (SSI) warning. I had tried to set it up the same way we have other 
elements that require a specific denotation (e.g., limitation, policy), where L 
or P automatically inserts into the beginning using the autonumber format. It 
inserts the SSI, but doesn't wrap the text which is several lines long.

The element itself inserts following the rules I intended, just not the text. 
I'm trying to do all the formatting in the EDD. I'm sure there is a way to do 
this not in the EDD with reference pages, but think there has to be a better 
way.

What am I missing? Happy to share the EDD if that will help.

Thanks!
Kristy


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"Autoinsert" Text in Structured Document

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

We are working in Structured Frame 10. I am trying to add a specific element to 
my EDD (I know the basics, and am actually pretty pleased with the overall 
EDD). 

In our documents we have requirements to mark things with a sensitive security 
information (SSI) warning. I had tried to set it up the same way we have other 
elements that require a specific denotation (e.g., limitation, policy), where L 
or P automatically inserts into the beginning using the autonumber format. It 
inserts the SSI, but doesn't wrap the text which is several lines long.

The element itself inserts following the rules I intended, just not the text. 
I'm trying to do all the formatting in the EDD. I'm sure there is a way to do 
this not in the EDD with reference pages, but think there has to be a better 
way.

What am I missing? Happy to share the EDD if that will help.

Thanks!
Kristy


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RE: OT: Unexpected event

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I agree with them - thinking of you! You have helped us all countless times. We 
are a wide-spread community who look out for each other - it is your turn.
Kristy

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:16 AM
To: Art Campbell; Rick Quatro
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Unexpected event

Ditto. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Rick. We'll all be thinking of you.

Richard

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:49 AM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Unexpected event

Thanks for sharing this, Rick -- we are a community, even though we orbit 
around Frame, and all of us know there are real people beyond the email.

I'll be thinking of you during your hopefully short recovery, and looking for a 
report from you as soon as you can hit the keyboard again.
Best of luck!

Cheers,
Art

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  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358

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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Rick Quatro 
r...@rickquatro.commailto:r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
Hi Framers,

I hesitate to put this on the list, but I have been around the FrameMaker
community for a long time, and this is the only contact I have with some of
you. Also, in light of Bruce Foster's sudden disappearance last year, I
thought it would be appropriate to post this.

Hi Everyone,

As many of you know, I was supposed to be on vacation this week, cycling
across New York State with 17 other guys. During my last few training rides,
I experienced some discomfort in my chest. It was a concern because I am in
pretty good shape with almost 800 miles on the bike so far this summer. I
had a stress test on Friday, and the results showed an 80% chance of a
blockage in one of my cardiac arteries. Monday I went into the hospital for
an angiogram, with the anticipation of having the blockage opened and a
stent put in. However, the test showed a couple of areas of blockage, one
being in an area that can't be opened with a stent. So on Wednesday around
12:45 pm, I am going to have open heart surgery with at least a double
bypass. I will be in the hospital for 3-5 days and hopefully experience a
quick recovery at home. I should be back to work late next week.

Those of you who know me well understand that I have a deep abiding
relationship with Jesus Christ. I received Him as my Savior on April 6, 1984
when I was twenty-five years old. Because He has forgiven me of my sins, I
know that when I die, I will be with Him in heaven. I am still a sinner and
don't deserve heaven, but because of His death on the cross and subsequent
resurrection, He gives eternal life to those who receive Him by faith.

That said, I am still fairly young (53), and have some young kids left to
raise. So, if you are given to prayer, please pray for Sherry and I this
Wednesday. Finally, thank you all for being a part of my life. The great
people that I work with is an important part of making my work so
satisfying.

Sincerely,
Rick

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Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045tel:585-283-5045
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OT: Unexpected event

[Kristy Nolan]

I agree with them - thinking of you! You have helped us all countless times. We 
are a wide-spread community who look out for each other - it is your turn.
Kristy

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:16 AM
To: Art Campbell; Rick Quatro
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Unexpected event

Ditto. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Rick. We'll all be thinking of you.

Richard

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:49 AM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Unexpected event

Thanks for sharing this, Rick -- we are a community, even though we orbit 
around Frame, and all of us know there are real people beyond the email.

I'll be thinking of you during your hopefully short recovery, and looking for a 
report from you as soon as you can hit the keyboard again.
Best of luck!

Cheers,
Art

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  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358

I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news 
for Groton MA.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Rick Quatro mailto:rick at rickquatro.com>> wrote:
Hi Framers,

I hesitate to put this on the list, but I have been around the FrameMaker
community for a long time, and this is the only contact I have with some of
you. Also, in light of Bruce Foster's sudden disappearance last year, I
thought it would be appropriate to post this.

Hi Everyone,

As many of you know, I was supposed to be on vacation this week, cycling
across New York State with 17 other guys. During my last few training rides,
I experienced some discomfort in my chest. It was a concern because I am in
pretty good shape with almost 800 miles on the bike so far this summer. I
had a stress test on Friday, and the results showed an 80% chance of a
blockage in one of my cardiac arteries. Monday I went into the hospital for
an angiogram, with the anticipation of having the blockage opened and a
stent put in. However, the test showed a couple of areas of blockage, one
being in an area that can't be opened with a stent. So on Wednesday around
12:45 pm, I am going to have open heart surgery with at least a double
bypass. I will be in the hospital for 3-5 days and hopefully experience a
quick recovery at home. I should be back to work late next week.

Those of you who know me well understand that I have a deep abiding
relationship with Jesus Christ. I received Him as my Savior on April 6, 1984
when I was twenty-five years old. Because He has forgiven me of my sins, I
know that when I die, I will be with Him in heaven. I am still a sinner and
don't deserve heaven, but because of His death on the cross and subsequent
resurrection, He gives eternal life to those who receive Him by faith.

That said, I am still fairly young (53), and have some young kids left to
raise. So, if you are given to prayer, please pray for Sherry and I this
Wednesday. Finally, thank you all for being a part of my life. The great
people that I work with is an important part of making my work so
satisfying.

Sincerely,
Rick

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RE: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

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Thanks to all for insight! Thanks especially to Rick Quatro for walking me 
through it! I was so close and just needed that last bit of info.
Learn so much from this group!

Kristy

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From: John Hogan [mailto:hoga...@cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:01 PM
To: Kristy Nolan; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

Kristy,

Two paragraphs on one line requires setting the Run-In Head paragraph
property on only the FIRST of the two paragraph types.

Good luck

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
is not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on
the reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?


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Thanks to all for insight! Thanks especially to Rick Quatro for walking me 
through it! I was so close and just needed that last bit of info.
Learn so much from this group!

Kristy

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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:01 PM
To: Kristy Nolan; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

Kristy,

Two paragraphs on one line requires setting the Run-In Head paragraph
property on only the FIRST of the two paragraph types.

Good luck

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
is not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on
the reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?


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Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

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Hi, guys!

I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem to 
address the two together.)

I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
have the correct elements appearing.

I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for my 
chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its associated 
revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up as 
$elemtextonly in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in 
unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph and 
still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current $elemtextonly, 
it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only way I have found to 
retain the right information is keeping all in separate paragraphs, but I am 
looking to have a title with a leader line to its revision date in one 
paragraph.

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It is 
not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on the 
reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something completely.

Thanks in advance!
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Hi, guys!

I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem to 
address the two together.)

I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
have the correct elements appearing.

I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for my 
chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its associated 
revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up as 
<$elemtextonly> in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in 
unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph and 
still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current $elemtextonly, 
it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only way I have found to 
retain the right information is keeping all in separate paragraphs, but I am 
looking to have a title with a leader line to its revision date in one 
paragraph.

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It is 
not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on the 
reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something completely.

Thanks in advance!
Kristy


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Manager, Flight Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142



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Master Pages in Multiple Sizes?

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

Working in structured Frame 10. Trying to create multiple master pages for our 
new manual series. I've figured out how to change page sizes and create new 
master pages in general.

One issue: I need to have multiple page sizes within a book. The majority of 
the book is 5.5" X 8.5", but we want to be able to have 11" X 8.5" pages 
inserted as well. The production is already taken care of, so not worried about 
that bit.

Is there a way to have all my master pages in various page sizes within one 
file? Or do I have to create separate files with the different master pages?

Thanks!
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Re: Importing paragraph formats

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Another way is to delete all but the "wanted" formats. Be sure not to save over (meaning either don't save or do a save as something else). Then in your target document, file, import, paragraph formats.Hope that helps!KristyOn Aug 21, 2011, at 3:50 PM, "Baruch Brodersen" bar...@technitext.com wrote:Tim,Yes. You can do import single paragraph, character, and conditional text formats with a MIF fragment. To do that:Save the FM file containing the paragraph format you want as a MIF file.

Use MIF Browse to locate, select and copy the paragraph format. http://www.wideman-one.com/gw/tech/framemaker/mifbrowse.htmPaste that MIF code in a text editor. In addition to the paragraph format, you'll also need the 

PgfCatalog Pgf tags, as well as the  # end of Pgf # end of PgfCatalog ## End of MIFFileclosing tagsIn the text file, make sure to include a MIFFILE header is at the top of the page. It should look something like this:

"MIFFile 7.00 # Generated by FrameMaker 7.0p579" You can grab a MIFFILe header from any MIF file and use that.Save the MIF fragment, and then open it in FrameMaker. It should appear as a blank page. 

Import in paragraph formats from the MIF fragment into the Frame document.Voila.If you run into problems, send me the file and I'll make one for you.best,Baruch BrodersenTechnitext Documentation

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tim J. Slager tsla...@isdcorporation.com wrote:

Is there a way to import only specific formats or a single format from another document instead of the whole set of paragraph formats? 

tims 

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RE: Does Acrobat 9 work with FrameMaker 7.0?

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Hi, Ed!

Yes, Frame 7 works with Acrobat 9. That's the combination the majority of our 
people use right now.

Kristy

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Subject: Does Acrobat 9 work with FrameMaker 7.0?

I have used Acrobat 6 with FrameMaker 7.0 for years but I am getting a
Windows 7 PC.  Our company uses Acrobat 9, so I will probably have to
upgrade.  Will FM 7 work with later versions of Acrobat?

 

Thanks,

 

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Does Acrobat 9 work with FrameMaker 7.0?

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Hi, Ed!

Yes, Frame 7 works with Acrobat 9. That's the combination the majority of our 
people use right now.

Kristy

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I have used Acrobat 6 with FrameMaker 7.0 for years but I am getting a
Windows 7 PC.  Our company uses Acrobat 9, so I will probably have to
upgrade.  Will FM 7 work with later versions of Acrobat?



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[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

I am befuddled by the inability to get rid of some old change bars in a 
document. It was created before our current authors. We now work in a 
combination of Frame 7 and 8, depending on the machine.

In three places there are change bars appearing in the margin that shouldn't be 
there. I have checked the paragraph designer, the character designer, and 
FormatStyleChange Bar. I have tried selecting all of the surrounding text, 
applying a change bar, and then removing - only to still have my phantom one 
remain. I have verified that it is not a piece of conditional text that is 
hidden being the culprit. 

Any ideas on how to find and get rid of whatever is holding them?

Thanks!
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[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

I am befuddled by the inability to get rid of some old change bars in a 
document. It was created before our current authors. We now work in a 
combination of Frame 7 and 8, depending on the machine.

In three places there are change bars appearing in the margin that shouldn't be 
there. I have checked the paragraph designer, the character designer, and 
Format>Style>Change Bar. I have tried selecting all of the surrounding text, 
applying a change bar, and then removing - only to still have my phantom one 
remain. I have verified that it is not a piece of conditional text that is 
hidden being the "culprit." 

Any ideas on how to find and get rid of whatever is holding them?

Thanks!
Kristy


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RE: Upgrading FrameMaker - XP (was IE) Service Pack ?

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Hi, Richard and All!
I'm at the same Company as Diana. We have been told (could be urban
legend) that anything prior to Frame 7 will not be supported with this
Service Pack 3 for XP. I would love to hear that it truly is urban
legend. I am not sure by what they mean by not supported either. One of
the possible items is that the Service Pack causes issues with embedded
OLE objects. Does anyone know of any other issues?

My department is also trying to determine if we need to worry about
upgrading immediately. Some of us are on Frame 8, but not all. 

Thanks for any input!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Manager, Flight Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142



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Subject: RE: Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

Diana Stock wrote: 
 
 The Company is finally upgrading to Service Pack 3 soon, but staying
on
 IE version 6, until all application testing is completed.  I believe
FM
 7 will error with SP2.

Service Pack 3 of what? Windows XP? Vista? And what does Internet
Explorer have to do with this? 

What leads you to believe that FM 7 will have a problem? (I assume SP2
is a typo and you meant SP3, but again, of what?)

I'm guessing you're on Win XP (because I'm not sure IE 6 is compatible
with Vista). FWIW, I've been running FM 7.2 (unstructured) on Windows XP
SP3 for quite some time. No problems. 

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Upgrading FrameMaker - XP (was IE) Service Pack ?

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Richard and All!
I'm at the same Company as Diana. We have been told (could be urban
legend) that anything prior to Frame 7 will not be supported with this
Service Pack 3 for XP. I would love to hear that it truly is urban
legend. I am not sure by what they mean by not supported either. One of
the possible items is that the Service Pack causes issues with embedded
OLE objects. Does anyone know of any other issues?

My department is also trying to determine if we need to worry about
upgrading immediately. Some of us are on Frame 8, but not all. 

Thanks for any input!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Manager, Flight Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142



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Subject: RE: Upgrading FrameMaker - IE Service Pack ?

Diana Stock wrote: 

> The Company is finally upgrading to Service Pack 3 soon, but staying
on
> IE version 6, until all application testing is completed.  I believe
FM
> 7 will error with SP2.

Service Pack 3 of what? Windows XP? Vista? And what does Internet
Explorer have to do with this? 

What leads you to believe that FM 7 will have a problem? (I assume "SP2"
is a typo and you meant "SP3," but again, of what?)

I'm guessing you're on Win XP (because I'm not sure IE 6 is compatible
with Vista). FWIW, I've been running FM 7.2 (unstructured) on Windows XP
SP3 for quite some time. No problems. 

Richard G. Combs
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RE: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

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Hi, Lynn!

Short answers to some of your questions:
Yes, opening the docs in v9 is all you have to do and save as you
normally do.
However, you can only backsave to v8 from v9. We have run into this
problem several times, having to find someone one on v8 to then backsave
to v7.

Hope that helps!
Kristy

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Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

Hi,

My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9
(yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

We're all running Win XP.


Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in
v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still
read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the
upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare
occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks  AutoMap 2003 Client within FM
menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that
are released?

Any other tips for upgrading?

Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn
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Hi, Lynn!

Short answers to some of your questions:
Yes, opening the docs in v9 is all you have to do and save as you
normally do.
However, you can only backsave to v8 from v9. We have run into this
problem several times, having to find someone one on v8 to then backsave
to v7.

Hope that helps!
Kristy

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Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

Hi,

My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9
(yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

We're all running Win XP.


Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in
v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still
read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the
upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare
occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM
menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that
are released?

Any other tips for upgrading?

Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn
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RE: Delete Empty Pages

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Hi, Kelly!

Have you checked under Format/Page Layout/Pagination? There is a setting
there that dictates whether you always have to have the last empty. Been
there done tat, and recently.

Kristy

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Subject: Delete Empty Pages

I cannot get Delete Empty Pages to stick. In other words, I'd like to
set it and whenever FM encounters an empty page, don't print it, don't
include it in file saves. I've tried each possible iteration. I've
followed http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/314/314928.html. No Joy.

Is this expected behavior? (I mean by design, not by FrameMaker just
does that. :-) Is there a Framescript fix?
I'm a well-experienced user, feeling stupid...Kelly.
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RE: log out, logout or log off logoff

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We call it log out, unless the app has a specific button to sign out or
log off. Meaning call it whatever the button says, if there is more than
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What do you call it when you exit a program and return to the main log
in screen:
 
log out, logout or 
 
log off, logoff
 
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[Kristy Nolan]

We call it log out, unless the app has a specific button to sign out or
log off. Meaning call it whatever the button says, if there is more than
just clicking the red X in Windows.

Hope that helps!
Kristy



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Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:19 AM
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Subject: OT: log out, logout or log off logoff

What do you call it when you exit a program and return to the main log
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log out, logout or 

log off, logoff

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Verner



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Hypertext/Linking Problems and WebWorks

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I have a manual that we are trying to clean up past formatting issues.
According to what I have read (I don't know much about this function), I
can link to other documents using the Hypertext dialog box, choosing the
Go to URL Command and entering the actual address. This works fine in
Frame when I save as View Only and when I save as PDF. These look nicer
in my draft document too, with just the link in blue.

However, this manual actually gets published by running it through
WebWorks Publisher Pro (yes, older). All of the links I have set up the
above way don't work. All of the older format links do. Those older
links look something like this:
a href=https://www.life.com/guidelines.pdf; target=_blankGuidelines
for Leaders/a
This confuses many of the people who are reviewing these as PDFs,
wanting to know why this garbage is in there, and what is really what
they'll see.

So, how do I get it to look nice on the draft side, and still work and
look right on the publish side?

Thanks for any and all advice!
Kristy

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I wanted to clarify - the html text isn't showing up in the
post-WebWorks-ed files, only in the original Frame docs, and
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:04 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Hypertext/Linking Problems and WebWorks

Hi, all!

I have a manual that we are trying to clean up past formatting issues.
According to what I have read (I don't know much about this function), I
can link to other documents using the Hypertext dialog box, choosing the
Go to URL Command and entering the actual address. This works fine in
Frame when I save as View Only and when I save as PDF. These look nicer
in my draft document too, with just the link in blue.

However, this manual actually gets published by running it through
WebWorks Publisher Pro (yes, older). All of the links I have set up the
above way don't work. All of the older format links do. Those older
links look something like this:
a href=https://www.life.com/guidelines.pdf; target=_blankGuidelines
for Leaders/a This confuses many of the people who are reviewing these
as PDFs, wanting to know why this garbage is in there, and what is
really what they'll see.

So, how do I get it to look nice on the draft side, and still work and
look right on the publish side?

Thanks for any and all advice!
Kristy

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[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I have a manual that we are trying to clean up past formatting issues.
According to what I have read (I don't know much about this function), I
can link to other documents using the Hypertext dialog box, choosing the
"Go to URL Command" and entering the actual address. This works fine in
Frame when I save as View Only and when I save as PDF. These look nicer
in my draft document too, with just the link in blue.

However, this manual actually gets published by running it through
WebWorks Publisher Pro (yes, older). All of the links I have set up the
above way don't work. All of the older format links do. Those older
links look something like this:
https://www.life.com/guidelines.pdf; target="_blank">Guidelines
for Leaders
This confuses many of the people who are reviewing these as PDFs,
wanting to know why this "garbage" is in there, and what is really what
they'll see.

So, how do I get it to look nice on the draft side, and still work and
look right on the publish side?

Thanks for any and all advice!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Manager, Ground Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
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Dallas, TX 75235






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RE: FM 8 - Change Bars

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I've managed to do this a little differently than the others have
mentioned. We start the content that needs the change bar prior to the
graphic, include the graphic, and then at least the first character of
the para immediately follows. Yes, it then looks like there is a change
in the first line of the next para, but seems to work well enough for
our people. Not necessarily the best way, but it works.

Kristy

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Subject: FM 8 - Change Bars

Hi all,

This request has come in from a client:
How do I get change bars to appear alongside graphics/anchored frames?
The help file indicates they should appear automatically (when
set) against non-referenced graphics but I can't get this to happen.  
All my graphics are in anchored frames.

Any suggestions as to what is going on for them, and how they might
resolve this? I have offered a work around but there is probably a more
definitive answer or solution.

Thanks
Alan

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FM 8 - Change Bars

[Kristy Nolan]

I've "managed" to do this a little differently than the others have
mentioned. We start the content that needs the change bar prior to the
graphic, include the graphic, and then at least the first character of
the para immediately follows. Yes, it then looks like there is a change
in the first line of the next para, but seems to work well enough for
our people. Not necessarily the best way, but it works.

Kristy

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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:52 PM
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Subject: FM 8 - Change Bars

Hi all,

This request has come in from a client:
"How do I get change bars to appear alongside graphics/anchored frames?
The help file indicates they should appear automatically (when
set) against non-referenced graphics but I can't get this to happen.  
All my graphics are in anchored frames."

Any suggestions as to what is going on for them, and how they might
resolve this? I have offered a work around but there is probably a more
definitive answer or solution.

Thanks
Alan

--
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AlphaByte
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RE: Resources about Structured FrameMaker

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Hi, Joseph!

Try this one: http://wiki.scriptorium.com/tiki-index.php
It is a great introduction to structured Frame without being
overwhelming.

Kristy 

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Hi all,

As time passes, I have become increasingly convinced that XML-authoring
will become the standard for creating technical documentation. I have
always heard about people using structured framemaker to do
XML-authoring and the corresponding benefits. I have also heard that
there's a high learning curve with structured framemaker and that a
significant amount of time is required to convert from unstructured to
structured.

Does anyone know of any book/websites/training/ resources that could
introduce me to structured framemaker and how to convert from
unstructured to structured?
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Sincerely,

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Hi, Joseph!

Try this one: http://wiki.scriptorium.com/tiki-index.php
It is a great introduction to structured Frame without being
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Kristy 

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Hi all,

As time passes, I have become increasingly convinced that XML-authoring
will become the standard for creating technical documentation. I have
always heard about people using structured framemaker to do
XML-authoring and the corresponding benefits. I have also heard that
there's a high learning curve with structured framemaker and that a
significant amount of time is required to convert from unstructured to
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Does anyone know of any book/websites/training/ resources that could
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RE: re-use 101

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Hi, Joel!

Are you using structured or unstructured Frame? Have you considered
using text insets? I found this useful when I had a similar scenario a
few years ago on unstructured Frame. If you are on structured, check out
InsetPlus at West Street Consulting. We have found this to be very
useful for our docs.

Kristy

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Subject: re-use 101

I am using Frame 8. I have a set of seven manuals that are close to 100
pages each. Many sections of these manuals are identical, some sections
differ in detail in minor ways, and fewer sections differ in more
substantial ways. Currently they are all Frame books with each chapter
being its own file within the book. There is no re-use of anything at
the moment.

This is becoming increasingly burdensome to maintain, as a change to
something that appears in all seven manuals requires me to make that
change manually in all seven files. I would like to get to re-use, or
single-sourcing, but I'm puzzled as to how to get there. Would the best
strategy be:

(a) To use conditional text and generate several versions;

(b) To try and convert everything to XML and sew things together based
on individual XML files;

(c) Something else?
I have zero XML knowledge, and whenever I read about it, my head hurts.
I am willing to learn, but the benefit needs to be commensurate with the
pain involved in learning. I'm looking for the simplest solution that
allows for some common source material using my existing Frame
configuration. Ideas are appreciated.
Joel
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RE: re-use 101

[Kristy Nolan]

The short answer is no, you do not have to purchase anything else from
West Street. And it is pretty quick to get started using.
Kristy

-Original Message-
From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:g...@hiskeyboard.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:12 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: Joel; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: re-use 101

Inset Plus [sic] is free, and looks very interesting, but

the site does not indicate whether it is a product one can just inject
into one's Structured FrameMaker system, of if one needs to BUY any of
the other West Street Consulting products in order to make use of it.

Kristy, can you address this or should we ask West Street?

--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley, and sometime
   user of LOADS of text insets




On Wed, March 11, 2009 9:01 am, Kristy Nolan wrote:
 Hi, Joel!

 Are you using structured or unstructured Frame? Have you considered 
 using text insets? I found this useful when I had a similar scenario a

 few years ago on unstructured Frame. If you are on structured, check 
 out InsetPlus at West Street Consulting. We have found this to be very

 useful for our docs.

 Kristy

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joel
 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:36 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: re-use 101

 I am using Frame 8. I have a set of seven manuals that are close to 
 100 pages each. Many sections of these manuals are identical, some 
 sections differ in detail in minor ways, and fewer sections differ in 
 more substantial ways. Currently they are all Frame books with each 
 chapter being its own file within the book. There is no re-use of 
 anything at the moment.

 This is becoming increasingly burdensome to maintain, as a change to 
 something that appears in all seven manuals requires me to make that 
 change manually in all seven files. I would like to get to re-use, or 
 single-sourcing, but I'm puzzled as to how to get there. Would the 
 best strategy be:

 (a) To use conditional text and generate several versions;

 (b) To try and convert everything to XML and sew things together based

 on individual XML files;

 (c) Something else?
 I have zero XML knowledge, and whenever I read about it, my head
hurts.
 I am willing to learn, but the benefit needs to be commensurate with 
 the pain involved in learning. I'm looking for the simplest solution 
 that allows for some common source material using my existing Frame 
 configuration. Ideas are appreciated.
 Joel
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re-use 101

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Joel!

Are you using structured or unstructured Frame? Have you considered
using text insets? I found this useful when I had a similar scenario a
few years ago on unstructured Frame. If you are on structured, check out
InsetPlus at West Street Consulting. We have found this to be very
useful for our docs.

Kristy

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:36 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: re-use 101

I am using Frame 8. I have a set of seven manuals that are close to 100
pages each. Many sections of these manuals are identical, some sections
differ in detail in minor ways, and fewer sections differ in more
substantial ways. Currently they are all Frame books with each chapter
being its own file within the book. There is no re-use of anything at
the moment.

This is becoming increasingly burdensome to maintain, as a change to
something that appears in all seven manuals requires me to make that
change manually in all seven files. I would like to get to re-use, or
single-sourcing, but I'm puzzled as to how to get there. Would the best
strategy be:

(a) To use conditional text and generate several versions;

(b) To try and convert everything to XML and sew things together based
on individual XML files;

(c) Something else?
I have zero XML knowledge, and whenever I read about it, my head hurts.
I am willing to learn, but the benefit needs to be commensurate with the
pain involved in learning. I'm looking for the simplest solution that
allows for some common source material using my existing Frame
configuration. Ideas are appreciated.
Joel
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re-use 101

[Kristy Nolan]

The short answer is no, you do not have to purchase anything else from
West Street. And it is pretty quick to get started using.
Kristy

-Original Message-
From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:g...@hiskeyboard.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:12 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: Joel; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: re-use 101

Inset Plus [sic] is free, and looks very interesting, but

the site does not indicate whether it is a product one can just inject
into one's Structured FrameMaker system, of if one needs to BUY any of
the other West Street Consulting products in order to make use of it.

Kristy, can you address this or should we ask West Street?

--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley, and sometime
   user of LOADS of text insets




On Wed, March 11, 2009 9:01 am, Kristy Nolan wrote:
> Hi, Joel!
>
> Are you using structured or unstructured Frame? Have you considered 
> using text insets? I found this useful when I had a similar scenario a

> few years ago on unstructured Frame. If you are on structured, check 
> out InsetPlus at West Street Consulting. We have found this to be very

> useful for our docs.
>
> Kristy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joel
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:36 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: re-use 101
>
> I am using Frame 8. I have a set of seven manuals that are close to 
> 100 pages each. Many sections of these manuals are identical, some 
> sections differ in detail in minor ways, and fewer sections differ in 
> more substantial ways. Currently they are all Frame books with each 
> chapter being its own file within the book. There is no re-use of 
> anything at the moment.
>
> This is becoming increasingly burdensome to maintain, as a change to 
> something that appears in all seven manuals requires me to make that 
> change manually in all seven files. I would like to get to re-use, or 
> single-sourcing, but I'm puzzled as to how to get there. Would the 
> best strategy be:
>
> (a) To use conditional text and generate several versions;
>
> (b) To try and convert everything to XML and sew things together based

> on individual XML files;
>
> (c) Something else?
> I have zero XML knowledge, and whenever I read about it, my head
hurts.
> I am willing to learn, but the benefit needs to be commensurate with 
> the pain involved in learning. I'm looking for the simplest solution 
> that allows for some common source material using my existing Frame 
> configuration. Ideas are appreciated.
> Joel
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RE: List of Effective Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Bodvar!

Right now it appears that the LEP was all hard-coded, but I am not tied
to it, since I am breaking it into sections smaller than a page. My
first guess was that it would work well with markers, but I can't figure
out how this is accomplished. I have tried the methods that Clint and
Richard suggested. I like how it is working using run-in paras, but not
sure how it will work when I WebWorks it. It is an unstructured
document. 

I'd like to see a sample to see if I can mimic it (to an extent). And
very happy for the help!
Thanks!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Manager, Ground Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235


-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:51 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: List of Effective Sections

Hi Kristy,

I would need some more information about how the LEP is built. Is it
built on markers or does it read some hard text or variables from the
pages?

I have several versions, both structured and unstructured, which I could
send you a sample of, if you like (confidential, of course).
Mainly, I go for markers in unstructured and attributes in structured.
Then I rather skip the LEP(LES) and have the TOC read the revision
status of the headings and in order to count for all pages, just add a
dash and the last page number of the main section involved. This method
has been agreed to by the Authorities.

Further, this method helps if you have to convert the document to any
pageless format, like HTML.

Best regards.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

2009/3/9 Kristy Nolan kristy.no...@wnco.com:
 Hi, all!

 I just know there has to be a way to do this, but am hitting a wall in

 my thinking. We are working on an inherited manual that currently has 
 an LEP, which I think I understand how it is put together. However, 
 most pages have multiple sections on them. For example, on page 1, 
 there are sections 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4, each with its own title and

 revision date.

 The question is how do I transform this LEP into an LES (list of 
 effective sections)? I'd like it to look similar to an LEP, but am 
 having trouble getting it to pull the revision date. Meaning, each 
 entry would be something like 1.1 Purpose .. 03/09/09

 The section titles are currently autonumbered, the revision date is 
 hard-coded (because it changes by section not file). I am guessing I 
 need a custom marker, but beyond creating the marker, I do not know 
 how to work with them. I am on Frame 8, but most of my group is on
7.x.

 Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 Kristy

 Kristy Nolan
 Manager, Ground Operations
 Central Publications HDQ-1CP
 Southwest Airlines
 2702 Love Field Dr.
 Dallas, TX 75235
 214-792-6142
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List of Effective Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Bodvar!

Right now it appears that the LEP was all hard-coded, but I am not tied
to it, since I am breaking it into sections smaller than a page. My
first guess was that it would work well with markers, but I can't figure
out how this is accomplished. I have tried the methods that Clint and
Richard suggested. I like how it is working using run-in paras, but not
sure how it will work when I WebWorks it. It is an unstructured
document. 

I'd like to see a sample to see if I can mimic it (to an extent). And
very happy for the help!
Thanks!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Manager, Ground Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235


-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:51 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: List of Effective Sections

Hi Kristy,

I would need some more information about how the LEP is built. Is it
built on markers or does it read some hard text or variables from the
pages?

I have several versions, both structured and unstructured, which I could
send you a sample of, if you like (confidential, of course).
Mainly, I go for markers in unstructured and attributes in structured.
Then I rather skip the LEP(LES) and have the TOC read the revision
status of the headings and in order to count for all pages, just add a
dash and the last page number of the main section involved. This method
has been agreed to by the Authorities.

Further, this method helps if you have to convert the document to any
pageless format, like HTML.

Best regards.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

2009/3/9 Kristy Nolan :
> Hi, all!
>
> I just know there has to be a way to do this, but am hitting a wall in

> my thinking. We are working on an inherited manual that currently has 
> an LEP, which I think I understand how it is put together. However, 
> most pages have multiple sections on them. For example, on page 1, 
> there are sections 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4, each with its own title and

> revision date.
>
> The question is how do I "transform" this LEP into an LES (list of 
> effective sections)? I'd like it to look similar to an LEP, but am 
> having trouble getting it to pull the revision date. Meaning, each 
> entry would be something like "1.1 Purpose .. 03/09/09"
>
> The section titles are currently autonumbered, the revision date is 
> hard-coded (because it changes by section not file). I am guessing I 
> need a custom marker, but beyond creating the marker, I do not know 
> how to work with them. I am on Frame 8, but most of my group is on
7.x.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>
> Kristy
>
> Kristy Nolan
> Manager, Ground Operations
> Central Publications HDQ-1CP
> Southwest Airlines
> 2702 Love Field Dr.
> Dallas, TX 75235
> 214-792-6142
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List of Effective Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I just know there has to be a way to do this, but am hitting a wall in
my thinking. We are working on an inherited manual that currently has an
LEP, which I think I understand how it is put together. However, most
pages have multiple sections on them. For example, on page 1, there are
sections 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4, each with its own title and revision
date. 

The question is how do I transform this LEP into an LES (list of
effective sections)? I'd like it to look similar to an LEP, but am
having trouble getting it to pull the revision date. Meaning, each entry
would be something like 1.1 Purpose .. 03/09/09

The section titles are currently autonumbered, the revision date is
hard-coded (because it changes by section not file). I am guessing I
need a custom marker, but beyond creating the marker, I do not know how
to work with them. I am on Frame 8, but most of my group is on 7.x.

Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Manager, Ground Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142
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List of Effective Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I just know there has to be a way to do this, but am hitting a wall in
my thinking. We are working on an inherited manual that currently has an
LEP, which I think I understand how it is put together. However, most
pages have multiple sections on them. For example, on page 1, there are
sections 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4, each with its own title and revision
date. 

The question is how do I "transform" this LEP into an LES (list of
effective sections)? I'd like it to look similar to an LEP, but am
having trouble getting it to pull the revision date. Meaning, each entry
would be something like "1.1 Purpose .. 03/09/09"

The section titles are currently autonumbered, the revision date is
hard-coded (because it changes by section not file). I am guessing I
need a custom marker, but beyond creating the marker, I do not know how
to work with them. I am on Frame 8, but most of my group is on 7.x.

Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Manager, Ground Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142

Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

[Kristy Nolan]

OK - I give. I am trying to clean up some files that give multiple
messages of a certain font not being available so another is
substituted. Managed to get rid of some just by cleaning up pieces that
were brought in from other sources, but can't find others. So I went
back to the template. I still have seven of these types of errors. I
have triple-checked the paragraph formats. I have checked for any
overrides within the text boxes that are set up (but no text within said
boxes). I found a few that were in the character palette, but not all.

So my question is, how can I find out where these particular fonts are
referenced when there isn't any text for it to be used on?

Thanks!

Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Lead Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs Rd.
Dallas, TX 75230
214-792-2472
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RE: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

[Kristy Nolan]

Thanks! I had checked the Master pages, but had forgotten about the
Reference pages. Such a simple answer to an aggravating problem!
Kristy 

-Original Message-
From: Lin Sims [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Kristy Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 OK - I give. I am trying to clean up some files that give multiple 
 messages of a certain font not being available so another is 
 substituted. Managed to get rid of some just by cleaning up pieces 
 that were brought in from other sources, but can't find others. So I 
 went back to the template. I still have seven of these types of 
 errors. I have triple-checked the paragraph formats. I have checked 
 for any overrides within the text boxes that are set up (but no text 
 within said boxes). I found a few that were in the character palette,
but not all.

 So my question is, how can I find out where these particular fonts are

 referenced when there isn't any text for it to be used on?

Did you check the Master and Reference pages, too?

--
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Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

[Kristy Nolan]

OK - I give. I am trying to clean up some files that give multiple
messages of a certain font not being available so another is
substituted. Managed to get rid of some just by cleaning up pieces that
were brought in from other sources, but can't find others. So I went
back to the template. I still have seven of these types of errors. I
have triple-checked the paragraph formats. I have checked for any
overrides within the text boxes that are set up (but no text within said
boxes). I found a few that were in the character palette, but not all.

So my question is, how can I find out where these particular fonts are
referenced when there isn't any text for it to be used on?

Thanks!

Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Lead Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs Rd.
Dallas, TX 75230
214-792-2472

Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

[Kristy Nolan]

Thanks! I had checked the Master pages, but had forgotten about the
Reference pages. Such a simple answer to an aggravating problem!
Kristy 

-Original Message-
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: Fonts Not Available That Aren't Used

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Kristy Nolan 
wrote:

> OK - I give. I am trying to clean up some files that give multiple 
> messages of a certain font not being available so another is 
> substituted. Managed to get rid of some just by cleaning up pieces 
> that were brought in from other sources, but can't find others. So I 
> went back to the template. I still have seven of these types of 
> errors. I have triple-checked the paragraph formats. I have checked 
> for any overrides within the text boxes that are set up (but no text 
> within said boxes). I found a few that were in the character palette,
but not all.
>
> So my question is, how can I find out where these particular fonts are

> referenced when there isn't any text for it to be used on?

Did you check the Master and Reference pages, too?

--
Lin Sims

RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

[Kristy Nolan]

What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey
background? 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
O'Neill
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:03 PM
To: framers
Subject: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

OK Folks,

Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts.  I've been using FM for a
number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I
haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my
objective.

Context:
The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level type document
that deals mostly with system concepts and strategies.  It will link to
already extant procedures in the online help, installation guides,
etc...  

The document will be delivered as both a stand-alone PDF, and as part of
a merged help set produced with WWP2003.

Goal:
One of the things my manager wants is a threaded/running
Example/Scenario section that will appear in various portions of the
book that will explain the concepts in terms of an actual example.  

Basically, this means introducing the Example scenario in the beginning
of the guide and corresponding sections of text in various and
subsequent chapters.

I want this content to appear with a light gray background.  How do I do
this?  

Here's what I've thought of:

Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of
content appears.  Problem (which may have its own solution): The one
cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can
break a row across a page.

Adding a text frame for this content (from the graphics toolbar).  Seems
do-able, as I can control the dimensions and background color of the
text frame.  Only problem is WWP tends to put text frames at the end of
the chapter and not at the location in which they appear in the FM
document.  

Anyone have a good solution for this?  Like I said, we've never wanted
to do this type of thing before, so I am likely missing something
obvious.  I'm not averse to using the help or other references...but my
searches thus far have been hindered by not knowing a good keyword to
start with.  Alternatively, am I missing something obvious?  Is there a
paragraph style for background color that I've managed to miss
repeatedly?

-Michael
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Smart way to achieve goal in FM

[Kristy Nolan]

What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey
background? 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael
O'Neill
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:03 PM
To: framers
Subject: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

OK Folks,

Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts.  I've been using FM for a
number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I
haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my
objective.

Context:
The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level type document
that deals mostly with system concepts and strategies.  It will link to
already extant procedures in the online help, installation guides,
etc...  

The document will be delivered as both a stand-alone PDF, and as part of
a merged help set produced with WWP2003.

Goal:
One of the things my manager wants is a threaded/running
"Example/Scenario" section that will appear in various portions of the
book that will explain the concepts in terms of an actual example.  

Basically, this means introducing the Example scenario in the beginning
of the guide and corresponding sections of text in various and
subsequent chapters.

I want this content to appear with a light gray background.  How do I do
this?  

Here's what I've thought of:

Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of
content appears.  Problem (which may have its own solution): The one
cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can
break a row across a page.

Adding a text frame for this content (from the graphics toolbar).  Seems
do-able, as I can control the dimensions and background color of the
text frame.  Only problem is WWP tends to put text frames at the end of
the chapter and not at the location in which they appear in the FM
document.  

Anyone have a good solution for this?  Like I said, we've never wanted
to do this type of thing before, so I am likely missing something
obvious.  I'm not averse to using the help or other references...but my
searches thus far have been hindered by not knowing a good keyword to
start with.  Alternatively, am I missing something obvious?  Is there a
paragraph style for background color that I've managed to miss
repeatedly?

-Michael
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RE: Vertical line between columns of text

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Vertical line between columns of text

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RE: How to get tables to span pages

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Carl!

First, check your Table Designer (CTRL + T). On the Basic tab, check
that the Start is set for anywhere.
Then, click in the row you want to be the top of your next page (if
there is a specific row you want to break the table at) and go to
Table/Row Format. In the Start Row drop-down, choose Top of Page.
That should fix it. If you have a header row, and it is marked as such,
it will repeat at the top of the page.

Hope that helps!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Lead Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs Rd.
Dallas, TX 75230
214-792-2472


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How to get tables to span pages

Hi all,

I'm using Frame 7.2. I have a table that is the size of one page, but
the text above it only takes a quarter of a page. The table positions
itself at the top of the next page. I'm looking for a way to make it
flow from one page to the next so that it stays close to the text
directly above it. Hope you can help.

 

Best,

Carl Yorke

TAG Systems

 

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How to get tables to span pages

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Carl!

First, check your Table Designer (CTRL + T). On the Basic tab, check
that the Start is set for anywhere.
Then, click in the row you want to be the top of your next page (if
there is a specific row you want to break the table at) and go to
Table/Row Format. In the Start Row drop-down, choose Top of Page.
That should fix it. If you have a header row, and it is marked as such,
it will repeat at the top of the page.

Hope that helps!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Lead Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs Rd.
Dallas, TX 75230
214-792-2472


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How to get tables to span pages

Hi all,

I'm using Frame 7.2. I have a table that is the size of one page, but
the text above it only takes a quarter of a page. The table positions
itself at the top of the next page. I'm looking for a way to make it
flow from one page to the next so that it stays close to the text
directly above it. Hope you can help.



Best,

Carl Yorke

TAG Systems



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RE: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Kristy Nolan]

 Hi, Robert!

What version of Frame are you using? I have lost some of the ones I used to 
use with Frame 7 by moving to Frame 8.

Kristy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rogge
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jennifer Collier
Subject: Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

Hi Guys,

Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I 
would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least 
the ones that are most important and useful to you.

I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must create 
my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed at the 
moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know exist . . 
. and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you use and 
recommend.

I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can´t get some of 
them to make my life easier.

Cheers,

Robert

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
 That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.

 Scott

 At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
 I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and 
 large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing 
 tremendously...and makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are 
 currently in place.
 
 
 I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was 
 such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
 
 http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
 
 If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
 
 -Michael
 

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Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

[Kristy Nolan]

 Hi, Robert!

What version of Frame are you using? I have "lost" some of the ones I used to 
use with Frame 7 by moving to Frame 8.

Kristy

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Rogge
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:59 AM
To: quills at airmail.net
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jennifer Collier
Subject: Re: Best Indexing Tool for FrameMaker?

Hi Guys,

Not sure if it is acceptable to continue a thread like this, but in fact I 
would be interested to learn the full list of plugins you guys use, at least 
the ones that are most important and useful to you.

I currently work without plugins in *unstructured framemaker*, and must create 
my chapter table of contents manually, indexing is not even performed at the 
moment . . . I am missing special find/replace functions that I know exist . . 
. and so, it would be great to see what collection of plugins you use and 
recommend.

I intend to take a list of these to my company and see if we can?t get some of 
them to make my life easier.

Cheers,

Robert

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM,  wrote:

> I like this one also, for two reasons, it's simple, and it's inexpensive.
> That makes this tool VERY cost-effective.
>
> Scott
>
> At 8:05 AM -0500 9/4/08, Michael O'Neill wrote:
> >I use Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software.  By and 
> >large, I am happy with it.  It has sped up indexing 
> >tremendously...and makes it pretty darn easy to see what index tags are 
> >currently in place.
> >
> >
> >I haven't tried other tools.  This was the first we tried and it was 
> >such a clear improvement that we jumped and went with it.
> >
> >http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
> >
> >If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
> >
> >-Michael
> >
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Frame 8 and WebWorks

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

Does anyone have any experience or issues running Frame 8.0 and WebWorks
Publisher 2003? I just had WWP installed on my machine yesterday and it
opens fine. However, I am getting an error The application is unable to
communicate with FrameMaker. FrameMaker was unable to generate the
specified MIF file. Any ideas? It worked on my old machine with Frame
7.2. Upgrading isn't really an option.

Thanks!
Kristy 

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Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs Rd.
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Frame 8 and WebWorks

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

Does anyone have any experience or issues running Frame 8.0 and WebWorks
Publisher 2003? I just had WWP installed on my machine yesterday and it
opens fine. However, I am getting an error "The application is unable to
communicate with FrameMaker. FrameMaker was unable to generate the
specified MIF file." Any ideas? It worked on my old machine with Frame
7.2. Upgrading isn't really an option.

Thanks!
Kristy 

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Lead Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs Rd.
Dallas, TX 75230
214-792-2472

RE: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Patrick!

If you use a soft return to cut your first line, it should add them to
your second.

Is that what you mean?

Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Lead Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
Dallas, TX 75235
 

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Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:45 PM
To: framers
Subject: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?

Hi,

I know this question has been asked many times, but I can't find any
threads with the answers.

Here is the situation:

We have a TOC and LOT that uses leader dots that lead to a page number
on a right tab;

eg

Table 3-1   List of Program  
Parameters...3-3

The problem is when the para text is longer than 1 line and the page
number wraps to second line. When that happens, we don't get a tab to
right or a leader.

eg.

Table 3.1 List of Programs Parameter for the XXX Program Setting  
as;dfasdfdsf
3-3

Is there a way to get leaders on the second line? Seems like I  
remember that you can't.

Thanks

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TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, Patrick!

If you use a soft return to cut your first line, it should add them to
your second.

Is that what you mean?

Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Lead Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
Dallas, TX 75235


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Fortino
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:45 PM
To: framers
Subject: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?

Hi,

I know this question has been asked many times, but I can't find any
threads with the answers.

Here is the situation:

We have a TOC and LOT that uses leader dots that lead to a page number
on a right tab;

eg

Table 3-1   List of Program  
Parameters...3-3

The problem is when the para text is longer than 1 line and the page
number wraps to second line. When that happens, we don't get a tab to
right or a leader.

eg.

Table 3.1 List of Programs Parameter for the XXX Program Setting  
as;dfasdfdsf
3-3

Is there a way to get leaders on the second line? Seems like I  
remember that you can't.

Thanks

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Conditional Text and Pagination Issues

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!
 
Here is this week's question. At least, I hope it is the only one this
week.
 
Working in structured docs, but I don't think that is the issue (but
wouldn't guarantee it). We have conditional text for a student guide and
an instructor guide. The part that is conditional is an instructor note
that lives in the sidehead. 
 
First, I notice that the doc isn't following it's own rules about
widows/orphans. Set for three lines, but it is only keeping two words
with the graphic on the next page. I need that whole paragraph to go
with the graphic.
 
Second, if I flip back and forth between the conditions, it seems to
erase the rules I have applied and do its own thing. I have tried
Special/Page break/Top of Page. I have tried the pagination tab in the
Paragraph Designer with all combinations of Keep With. I can get it to
look right in student and to instructor, but lose everything if I go
back to student.
 
Any ideas what I am missing?
 
Thanks!
Kristy
 
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Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
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Conditional Text and Pagination Issues

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

Here is this week's question. At least, I hope it is the only one this
week.

Working in structured docs, but I don't think that is the issue (but
wouldn't guarantee it). We have conditional text for a student guide and
an instructor guide. The part that is conditional is an instructor note
that "lives" in the sidehead. 

First, I notice that the doc isn't following it's own rules about
widows/orphans. Set for three lines, but it is only keeping two words
with the graphic on the next page. I need that whole paragraph to go
with the graphic.

Second, if I flip back and forth between the conditions, it seems to
erase the rules I have applied and do its own thing. I have tried
Special/Page break/Top of Page. I have tried the pagination tab in the
Paragraph Designer with all combinations of Keep With. I can get it to
look right in student and to instructor, but lose everything if I go
back to student.

Any ideas what I am missing?

Thanks!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
Dallas, TX 75235

Overrides a necessary evil?

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!
 
I realize this dilemma is opinion-based, but here goes:
In structured FrameMaker, in theory there shouldn't be any overrides,
right? They should have all been accounted for when devising the
structure. So everyone (at least in theory) should be writing/formatting
the same way. 
 
What about page breaks? I understand the widow/orphan capabilities, but
sometimes it still looks awkward - it would look better (and reads
better) to move a whole section to the next page.
 
Any opinions either way? Or any good reasons why one is better than the
other?
 
Thanks for the input!
Kristy
 
Kristy Nolan
Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
Dallas, TX 75235
 
 
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Overrides a necessary evil?

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I realize this dilemma is opinion-based, but here goes:
In structured FrameMaker, in theory there shouldn't be any overrides,
right? They should have all been "accounted for" when devising the
structure. So everyone (at least in theory) should be writing/formatting
the same way. 

What about page breaks? I understand the widow/orphan capabilities, but
sometimes it still looks awkward - it would look better (and reads
better) to move a whole section to the next page.

Any opinions either way? Or any good reasons why one is better than the
other?

Thanks for the input!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
Dallas, TX 75235

Character Formats and Structured Frame

[Kristy Nolan]

Hello, All!

Now that we have created most of the pieces of our EDD, we are at the
stage where we are starting to create material and test the structure.

One dilemma I came across was that of character formats. How or where do
character formats get set up (EDD or formats document)? I know how to
set up character formats in non-structured Frame, so that's not the
problem. I want to have this set up so that when we either reimport the
EDD or the formats, we don't lose the formatting. One example of this is
that our departmental style says that names of keys are in small caps,
which was a character format in unstructured Frame.

Enough rambling by me. Anyone have any advice? I've looked through my
resources to no avail.

Thanks!
Kristy
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Character Formats and Structured Frame

[Kristy Nolan]

Hello, All!

Now that we have created most of the pieces of our EDD, we are at the
stage where we are starting to create material and test the structure.

One dilemma I came across was that of character formats. How or where do
character formats get set up (EDD or formats document)? I know how to
set up character formats in non-structured Frame, so that's not the
problem. I want to have this set up so that when we either reimport the
EDD or the formats, we don't lose the formatting. One example of this is
that our departmental style says that names of keys are in small caps,
which was a character format in unstructured Frame.

Enough rambling by me. Anyone have any advice? I've looked through my
resources to no avail.

Thanks!
Kristy
Kristy Nolan
Developer II
Ground Ops Training DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-2472

Instructor Guides and page numbers

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

We are working on setting up our structures for training material, in
which two of the deliverables are a student guide and the associated
instructor guide. Although we are working in structured Frame, I don't
think my questions are necessarily influenced by that.

The way we want to set these up is that the student guide is a subset of
the instructor guide. The best way to describe it is like the textbooks
you used to have in grade school where the teacher's edition had extra
material around the margins, including answers to questions, supplies
needed, etc. Often this meant they had extra pages (e.g., p. 65a, 65b)
but the actual learning content page numbers matched up to the student
editions. We have the structure for the actual material well on its way.

So here is the question: Is there a way (hopefully relatively easy) to
have this sort of numbering set up? My first guess would be on the
numbering properties, but I don't know how to make this different for
two different editions.

Thanks!
Kristy

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RE: Instructor Guides and page numbers

[Kristy Nolan]

The plan is to have one book in two versions with conditional text.
Unless we come up with a much better idea. We are just about to start
writing it.
Kristy 

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:54 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Instructor Guides and page numbers

Is the Instructor's Guide a totally separate book, or you have one book
that you're publishing in two versions, maybe controlled by conditional
text?

Art

On 5/10/07, Kristy Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, all!

 We are working on setting up our structures for training material, in 
 which two of the deliverables are a student guide and the associated 
 instructor guide. Although we are working in structured Frame, I don't

 think my questions are necessarily influenced by that.

 The way we want to set these up is that the student guide is a subset 
 of the instructor guide. The best way to describe it is like the 
 textbooks you used to have in grade school where the teacher's edition
had extra
 material around the margins, including answers to questions, supplies 
 needed, etc. Often this meant they had extra pages (e.g., p. 65a, 65b)

 but the actual learning content page numbers matched up to the student

 editions. We have the structure for the actual material well on its
way.

 So here is the question: Is there a way (hopefully relatively easy) to

 have this sort of numbering set up? My first guess would be on the 
 numbering properties, but I don't know how to make this different for 
 two different editions.

 Thanks!
 Kristy

 Kristy Nolan
 Developer II
 Ground Ops Training DAL-3TR
 Southwest Airlines
 8008 Cedar Springs
 Dallas, TX 75235
 214-792-2472

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Instructor Guides and page numbers

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

We are working on setting up our structures for training material, in
which two of the deliverables are a student guide and the associated
instructor guide. Although we are working in structured Frame, I don't
think my questions are necessarily influenced by that.

The way we want to set these up is that the student guide is a subset of
the instructor guide. The best way to describe it is like the textbooks
you used to have in grade school where the teacher's edition had "extra"
material around the margins, including answers to questions, supplies
needed, etc. Often this meant they had extra pages (e.g., p. 65a, 65b)
but the actual learning content page numbers matched up to the student
editions. We have the structure for the actual material well on its way.

So here is the question: Is there a way (hopefully relatively easy) to
have this sort of numbering set up? My first guess would be on the
numbering properties, but I don't know how to make this different for
two different editions.

Thanks!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Developer II
Ground Ops Training DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-2472

Instructor Guides and page numbers

[Kristy Nolan]

The plan is to have one book in two versions with conditional text.
Unless we come up with a much better idea. We are just about to start
writing it.
Kristy 

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:54 AM
To: Kristy Nolan
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Instructor Guides and page numbers

Is the Instructor's Guide a totally separate book, or you have one book
that you're publishing in two versions, maybe controlled by conditional
text?

Art

On 5/10/07, Kristy Nolan  wrote:
>
> Hi, all!
>
> We are working on setting up our structures for training material, in 
> which two of the deliverables are a student guide and the associated 
> instructor guide. Although we are working in structured Frame, I don't

> think my questions are necessarily influenced by that.
>
> The way we want to set these up is that the student guide is a subset 
> of the instructor guide. The best way to describe it is like the 
> textbooks you used to have in grade school where the teacher's edition
had "extra"
> material around the margins, including answers to questions, supplies 
> needed, etc. Often this meant they had extra pages (e.g., p. 65a, 65b)

> but the actual learning content page numbers matched up to the student

> editions. We have the structure for the actual material well on its
way.
>
> So here is the question: Is there a way (hopefully relatively easy) to

> have this sort of numbering set up? My first guess would be on the 
> numbering properties, but I don't know how to make this different for 
> two different editions.
>
> Thanks!
> Kristy
>
> Kristy Nolan
> Developer II
> Ground Ops Training DAL-3TR
> Southwest Airlines
> 8008 Cedar Springs
> Dallas, TX 75235
> 214-792-2472
>
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>


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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FW: Graphics and Reference Pages

[Kristy Nolan]

From: Kristy Nolan
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:11 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Graphics and Reference Pages



Hello, All!

This has been my first real venture into reference pages and I have  
managed to befuddle myself.  I am trying to connect a small graphic  
to a particular paragraph tag. I managed to get the tagging part  
correct. However, I want the graphic to appear directly left of the  
paragraph, not above/below. Does anyone have an idea of how to do  
this? And, if so, am I correct in my assumption that there are no  
strange caveats to using structured Frame and these?


Please reply directly, as I am on digest and won't see any answers  
until tomorrow morning.


Thanks!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Developer II
Ground Ops Training DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-2472

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FW: Graphics and Reference Pages

[Kristy Nolan]

From: Kristy Nolan
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:11 PM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Graphics and Reference Pages



Hello, All!

This has been my first real venture into reference pages and I have  
managed to befuddle myself.  I am trying to connect a small graphic  
to a particular paragraph tag. I managed to get the tagging part  
correct. However, I want the graphic to appear directly left of the  
paragraph, not above/below. Does anyone have an idea of how to do  
this? And, if so, am I correct in my assumption that there are no  
strange caveats to using structured Frame and these?

Please reply directly, as I am on digest and won't see any answers  
until tomorrow morning.

Thanks!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Developer II
Ground Ops Training DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-2472

Structured Frame Questions

[Kristy Nolan]

My work group is attempting to make the change from unstructured to  
structured Frame, and are attempting to define our structures and  
corresponding elements. We are on Frame 7.0, and have learned just  
enough structure to be dangerous. This move is to try to get us into  
a single-sourcing environment. Eventually. We are using a new project  
for our documents, and aren't considering any legacy material for the  
time being.


I am looking for some pieces of information:

First, text inserts: The understanding is that these will follow the  
same EDD as the document(s) they are imported into. By using the  
associated formats document, different paragraph formats will then be  
applied. Is this correct? Are there any quirks/differences using text  
inserts in structured vs. unstructured?


Next, conditional text: We have found a plug-in that applies  
conditions to the elements, but it appears that this will still make  
our process very manual in the case of text inserts. Right now, the  
thought is with nested pieces, where some elements need to be hidden  
for specific information products. Is this the best (or very good)  
way to do this? Are there better alternatives?


Thanks!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Developer II
Ground Ops Training DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-2472


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Structured Frame Questions

[Kristy Nolan]

My work group is attempting to make the change from unstructured to  
structured Frame, and are attempting to define our structures and  
corresponding elements. We are on Frame 7.0, and have learned just  
enough structure to be dangerous. This move is to try to get us into  
a single-sourcing environment. Eventually. We are using a new project  
for our documents, and aren't considering any legacy material for the  
time being.

I am looking for some pieces of information:

First, text inserts: The understanding is that these will follow the  
same EDD as the document(s) they are imported into. By using the  
associated formats document, different paragraph formats will then be  
applied. Is this correct? Are there any quirks/differences using text  
inserts in structured vs. unstructured?

Next, conditional text: We have found a plug-in that applies  
conditions to the elements, but it appears that this will still make  
our process very manual in the case of text inserts. Right now, the  
thought is with nested pieces, where some elements need to be hidden  
for specific information products. Is this the best (or very good)  
way to do this? Are there better alternatives?

Thanks!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Developer II
Ground Ops Training DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
8008 Cedar Springs
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-2472