RE: Help with Frame to PDF Failure please...

[Sam Beard]

Jody,

   I sent you an email off-list on this, but am sending this to the list, just 
to close the loop. I had the same issue recently and was helped tremendously by 
Richard Combs and Sean Brierly. I forwarded to you the emails they sent me to 
clear up this problem. They should do the same for you. If you have any further 
issues, let us know.

   And, once again, much thanks to Richard and Sean for helping me with that 
problem!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:54 AM
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Subject: Help with Frame to PDF Failure please...

Hello Frame Experts,
 
I'm hoping someone can kindly help with me with an error message that is 
causing PDF file generation failure when using FrameMaker 7.x for Windows and 
Acrobat Distiller 7.0. 
 
The error occurred after the addition of some .png graphics in the FrameMaker 
source file.
 
Any help is greatly appreciated! :-)
 
Thank you, 
Jody 

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Help with Frame to PDF Failure please...

[Sam Beard]

Jody,

   I sent you an email off-list on this, but am sending this to the list, just 
to close the loop. I had the same issue recently and was helped tremendously by 
Richard Combs and Sean Brierly. I forwarded to you the emails they sent me to 
clear up this problem. They should do the same for you. If you have any further 
issues, let us know.

   And, once again, much thanks to Richard and Sean for helping me with that 
problem!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of jody giunta
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:54 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Help with Frame to PDF Failure please...

Hello Frame Experts,
?
I'm hoping someone can kindly help with me with an error message that is 
causing PDF file generation failure when using FrameMaker 7.x for Windows and 
Acrobat Distiller 7.0. 
?
The error occurred after the addition of some .png graphics in the FrameMaker 
source file.
?
Any help is greatly appreciated! :-)
?
Thank you, 
Jody 

RE: testing, 1, 2, 3....

[Sam Beard]

Bill,

   I was wondering the same thing, myself. I checked my account and I'm
apparently still all set, but there's not been anything come through in
quite some time, other than this. That could simply mean that the list
is quiet, of course. Still, with the recent Admin email, this was
probably a good idea.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:24 AM
To: Framers
Subject: testing, 1, 2, 3

Just seeing if this list is working.

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testing, 1, 2, 3....

[Sam Beard]

Bill,

   I was wondering the same thing, myself. I checked my account and I'm
apparently still all set, but there's not been anything come through in
quite some time, other than this. That could simply mean that the list
is quiet, of course. Still, with the recent Admin email, this was
probably a good idea.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:24 AM
To: Framers
Subject: testing, 1, 2, 3

Just seeing if this list is working.

-- 
Bill Swallow
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
STC LCR Member, PR
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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RE: question about usage

[Sam Beard]

Deidre,

   Yes, they ARE numbers. However, in an attempt to avoid confusion, the
characters themselves are referred to as numeric characters because 123
is itself a number MADE UP of those characters 1, 2, and 3. So, to try
and prevent people from confusing the NUMBER of 123 with the CHARACTERS
of 1, 2, and 3, the term numeric characters comes into play. Does that
help any?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:39 PM
To: Rene Stephenson
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: question about usage

Thanks all for the responses about alphanumeric characters and the use
of that terminology.

I get that 123ABC consist of alphanumerical characters.

However, does 123 consist of numerical characters?  I would say it
consists of numbers.

Does ABC consist of alpha characters?  I would say it consists of
letters.

In the documents I am working with, 123 is refered to as numerical
characters and ABC is refered to as alpha characters.

Here's what I'm talking about:

Move the part numbers that begin with a numerical character to the
end of the list after the part numbers that begin with an alpha
character.

I'm just wondering how widespread this usage is.  Are these terms just
in my documents in my company, and I should make the correction, or do
technical writers the world over use alpha characters to refer to
letters and numerical characters to refer to numbers?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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question about usage

[Sam Beard]

Deidre,

   Yes, they ARE numbers. However, in an attempt to avoid confusion, the
characters themselves are referred to as numeric characters because 123
is itself a number MADE UP of those characters 1, 2, and 3. So, to try
and prevent people from confusing the NUMBER of 123 with the CHARACTERS
of 1, 2, and 3, the term numeric characters comes into play. Does that
help any?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:39 PM
To: Rene Stephenson
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: question about usage

Thanks all for the responses about alphanumeric characters and the use
of that terminology.

I get that 123ABC consist of alphanumerical characters.

However, does 123 consist of numerical characters?  I would say it
consists of numbers.

Does ABC consist of alpha characters?  I would say it consists of
letters.

In the documents I am working with, 123 is refered to as numerical
characters and ABC is refered to as alpha characters.

Here's what I'm talking about:

"Move the part numbers that begin with a numerical character to the
end of the list after the part numbers that begin with an alpha
character."

I'm just wondering how widespread this usage is.  Are these terms just
in my documents in my company, and I should make the correction, or do
technical writers the world over use "alpha characters" to refer to
letters and "numerical characters" to refer to numbers?

Thanks!

Deirdre

Table Autonumbering

[Sam Beard]

All,

 

   I'm on Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm working on an inherited document, so I'm not sure about the
details of how things were created. There are some tables in this
chapter, with cross-references in the description text for the table.
There are two of these tables that have the numbers listed out of order
when I go to select a cross-reference target. And in one of these cases,
I added the Table Continuation variable, which is also showing up in the
list. I've never seen that before! So, what I have in my cross-reference
list is:

 

9.2. blah, blah, blah

9.4. blah, blah, blah

9.3. blah, blah, blah (Continued)

9.5. blah, blah, blah



9.12. blah, blah, blah

9.14. blah, blah, blah

9.15. blah, blah, blah

9.13. blah, blah, blah

9.16. blah, blah, blah

 

   Anyone have any clues/ideas? I recreated the 9.13. table in it's
entirety (by inserting a new table and then copying/pasting the text
from the old one). Also, while the numbers were out of order, the
Continued part wasn't included initially. It only show up after I added
the variable to the title. 

 

   Also, while they're out of order in the cross-reference target list
in the dialog box, they are in the correct order in the document. So,
there doesn't SEEM to be a reason for this, or an ill effect on the
document. I'm just not sure of the cause and if there MIGHT be an ill
effect I'm unaware of.

 

Thanks much!

 

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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Table Autonumbering

[Sam Beard]

All,



   I'm on Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm working on an inherited document, so I'm not sure about the
details of how things were created. There are some tables in this
chapter, with cross-references in the description text for the table.
There are two of these tables that have the numbers listed out of order
when I go to select a cross-reference target. And in one of these cases,
I added the Table Continuation variable, which is also showing up in the
list. I've never seen that before! So, what I have in my cross-reference
list is:



9.2. blah, blah, blah

9.4. blah, blah, blah

9.3. blah, blah, blah (Continued)

9.5. blah, blah, blah



9.12. blah, blah, blah

9.14. blah, blah, blah

9.15. blah, blah, blah

9.13. blah, blah, blah

9.16. blah, blah, blah



   Anyone have any clues/ideas? I recreated the 9.13. table in it's
entirety (by inserting a new table and then copying/pasting the text
from the old one). Also, while the numbers were out of order, the
Continued part wasn't included initially. It only show up after I added
the variable to the title. 



   Also, while they're out of order in the cross-reference target list
in the dialog box, they are in the correct order in the document. So,
there doesn't SEEM to be a reason for this, or an ill effect on the
document. I'm just not sure of the cause and if there MIGHT be an ill
effect I'm unaware of.



Thanks much!





Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

Odd Control Key Issues

[Sam Beard]

All,

 

   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2p158. Please forgive the
cross-posting.

 

   A while back, I posted some messages concerning issues with the
Control-key shortcuts not working, along with the arrow keys for moving
the cursor not working when held down (instead of moving repeatedly
until the key is released, it only once, but only after the key is
released). Well, I've just noticed another weird aspect of this
behavior. I'm placing some Index markers and I can copy and paste in the
Marker dialog box using the Control-C and Control-V keys there and the
arrow keys work normally. They don't work in the *document*, but they do
in the *dialog box*!

 

   Just thought I'd mention this as there were three or four others that
contacted me about this issue, saying they've experienced the same
thing. Thought they might want to know. It would sure be nice if Adobe
fixed this. However, considering FM 8 is out, I seriously doubt they'd
devote any resources to fixing this issue. Any know if FM 8 has done the
same thing? Personally, I think it has something to do with certain
graphics formats used in a document (or with *how* they're used), but
that's pure speculation.

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Odd Control Key Issues

[Sam Beard]

All,

   Another odd note with this: I can still use Control to select a text
box inside an anchored frame, as well as use the Control-Alt-C combo to
change the case to initial caps. And the arrow keys work in the text
boxes, as well. They STILL refuse to work properly in the document,
until I restart Frame.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:08 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Free Framers List
Subject: Odd Control Key Issues

All,

   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2p158. Please forgive the
cross-posting.

   A while back, I posted some messages concerning issues with the
Control-key shortcuts not working, along with the arrow keys for moving
the cursor not working when held down (instead of moving repeatedly
until the key is released, it only once, but only after the key is
released). Well, I've just noticed another weird aspect of this
behavior. I'm placing some Index markers and I can copy and paste in the
Marker dialog box using the Control-C and Control-V keys there and the
arrow keys work normally. They don't work in the *document*, but they do
in the *dialog box*!

   Just thought I'd mention this as there were three or four others that
contacted me about this issue, saying they've experienced the same
thing. Thought they might want to know. It would sure be nice if Adobe
fixed this. However, considering FM 8 is out, I seriously doubt they'd
devote any resources to fixing this issue. Any know if FM 8 has done the
same thing? Personally, I think it has something to do with certain
graphics formats used in a document (or with *how* they're used), but
that's pure speculation.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Odd Control Key Issues

[Sam Beard]

All,



   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2p158. Please forgive the
cross-posting.



   A while back, I posted some messages concerning issues with the
Control-key shortcuts not working, along with the arrow keys for moving
the cursor not working when held down (instead of moving repeatedly
until the key is released, it only once, but only after the key is
released). Well, I've just noticed another weird aspect of this
behavior. I'm placing some Index markers and I can copy and paste in the
Marker dialog box using the Control-C and Control-V keys there and the
arrow keys work normally. They don't work in the *document*, but they do
in the *dialog box*!



   Just thought I'd mention this as there were three or four others that
contacted me about this issue, saying they've experienced the same
thing. Thought they might want to know. It would sure be nice if Adobe
fixed this. However, considering FM 8 is out, I seriously doubt they'd
devote any resources to fixing this issue. Any know if FM 8 has done the
same thing? Personally, I think it has something to do with certain
graphics formats used in a document (or with *how* they're used), but
that's pure speculation.



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

Odd Control Key Issues

[Sam Beard]

All,

   Another odd note with this: I can still use Control to select a text
box inside an anchored frame, as well as use the Control-Alt-C combo to
change the case to initial caps. And the arrow keys work in the text
boxes, as well. They STILL refuse to work properly in the document,
until I restart Frame.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:08 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Free Framers List
Subject: Odd Control Key Issues

All,

   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2p158. Please forgive the
cross-posting.

   A while back, I posted some messages concerning issues with the
Control-key shortcuts not working, along with the arrow keys for moving
the cursor not working when held down (instead of moving repeatedly
until the key is released, it only once, but only after the key is
released). Well, I've just noticed another weird aspect of this
behavior. I'm placing some Index markers and I can copy and paste in the
Marker dialog box using the Control-C and Control-V keys there and the
arrow keys work normally. They don't work in the *document*, but they do
in the *dialog box*!

   Just thought I'd mention this as there were three or four others that
contacted me about this issue, saying they've experienced the same
thing. Thought they might want to know. It would sure be nice if Adobe
fixed this. However, considering FM 8 is out, I seriously doubt they'd
devote any resources to fixing this issue. Any know if FM 8 has done the
same thing? Personally, I think it has something to do with certain
graphics formats used in a document (or with *how* they're used), but
that's pure speculation.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Rene,

   If you're interested in a Mac running VMWare's Fusion, Parallel's
Desktop, or any other emulation/virtualization software, Macworld
Magazine did a comparison of these programs within the past three or
four months. You might still find it available on their Web site. 

   I also agree with Art on the 10-key peripheral. They're fairly cheap
and MUCH easier/cheaper to replace than a new keyboard or computer! If
it's something that would fit into your work method/style, it just might
help you out quite a bit.

   Apple is making a push for more of the business market, and has been
for quite a few years since they introduced their own rack-mounted
server. Recently, with the increased sales/market share of Macs, Apple
is also pushing their computers more towards the business market, too.
With the help of virtualization software and Apple's own Boot Camp
software, there's little that a Mac can't do these days. PC Magazine has
for quite a few years now considered a Mac laptop one of the best, and
PC World and Consumer Reports usually agrees with them, for what that
might be worth. 

Good luck with your decision and purchase, whatever it might be!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:52 AM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Hi All,

My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's
getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for
me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any
testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!) 

I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and
I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with
Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will
entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per product just
to load the software and get it functional by jumping through all the
hoops required now. I get that it's piracy protection, and I get the
concept and am not trying to circumvent any copyright laws, but it
really just feels like my time and purse are being taxed because of
other people's lack of ethics. 

I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their
laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by
Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold water
splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is work related,
and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker, and FM seems viable
only in PC world. 

Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? If
I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,
architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, am I
forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC world? Or is
there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple
laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM files
saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing anything in
these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

Thanks in advance,

 
Rene L. Stephenson
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Peter,

   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their stores
or via the Web, AFAIK.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:13 PM
To: Sarah O'Keefe
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Rene Stephenson wrote:
 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
 will entail.

 I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to
 chucking it and getting a Mac.

 It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP,
 great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go
 with b, speaking from personal experience.

FrameMaker for Mac stopped at 7.0, which leaves the issue of buying a
MacTel with Windows XP before the deadline at the end of June.


 insert long litany of complaints here

 Sarah


Regards,

Peter
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Peter,

   I figured you probably knew this, and that (upon second-guessing
myself) what you meant was through a third-party seller. But I thought
I'd make sure it was understood by all involved, just in case.

Have a great day and weekend!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Thanks for clarifying this, Sam. I was thinking of non-Apple Mac
resellers who pre-install Windows for their customers, or sell a
virtual product and a Windows version with their MacTels. The Mad
resellers are barred from selling XP just as the PC resellers are.


On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Sam Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Peter,

   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
 directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
 selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
 Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
 with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
 Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their
stores
 or via the Web, AFAIK.

Regards,

Peter
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Rene,

   If you're interested in a Mac running VMWare's Fusion, Parallel's
Desktop, or any other emulation/virtualization software, Macworld
Magazine did a comparison of these programs within the past three or
four months. You might still find it available on their Web site. 

   I also agree with Art on the 10-key peripheral. They're fairly cheap
and MUCH easier/cheaper to replace than a new keyboard or computer! If
it's something that would fit into your work method/style, it just might
help you out quite a bit.

   Apple is making a push for more of the business market, and has been
for quite a few years since they introduced their own rack-mounted
server. Recently, with the increased sales/market share of Macs, Apple
is also pushing their computers more towards the business market, too.
With the help of virtualization software and Apple's own Boot Camp
software, there's little that a Mac can't do these days. PC Magazine has
for quite a few years now considered a Mac laptop one of the best, and
PC World and Consumer Reports usually agrees with them, for what that
might be worth. 

Good luck with your decision and purchase, whatever it might be!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:52 AM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Hi All,

My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's
getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for
me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any
testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!) 

I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and
I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with
Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will
entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per product just
to load the software and get it functional by jumping through all the
hoops required now. I "get" that it's piracy protection, and I "get" the
concept and am not trying to circumvent any copyright laws, but it
really just feels like my time and purse are being taxed because of
other people's lack of ethics. 

I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their
laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by
Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold water
splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is work related,
and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker, and FM seems viable
only in PC world. 

Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? If
I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,
architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, am I
forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC world? Or is
there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple
laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM files
saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing anything in
these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

Thanks in advance,


Rene L. Stephenson

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Peter,

   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their stores
or via the Web, AFAIK.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:13 PM
To: Sarah O'Keefe
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe 
wrote:
> Rene Stephenson wrote:
>> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
>> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
>> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
>> will entail.
>
> I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to
> chucking it and getting a Mac.
>
> It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP,
> great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go
> with b, speaking from personal experience.

FrameMaker for Mac stopped at 7.0, which leaves the issue of buying a
MacTel with Windows XP before the deadline at the end of June.

>
> 
>
> Sarah
>

Regards,

Peter
__

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Peter,

   I figured you probably knew this, and that (upon second-guessing
myself) what you meant was through a third-party seller. But I thought
I'd make sure it was understood by all involved, just in case.

Have a great day and weekend!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Thanks for clarifying this, Sam. I was thinking of non-Apple Mac
resellers who pre-install Windows for their customers, or sell a
virtual product and a Windows version with their MacTels. The Mad
resellers are barred from selling XP just as the PC resellers are.


On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Sam Beard  wrote:
> Peter,
>
>   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
> directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
> selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
> Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
> with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
> Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their
stores
> or via the Web, AFAIK.

Regards,

Peter
__
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite
certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout
an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


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-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
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WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

 

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Richard,

   I just responded to Linda's second post, saying that I misunderstood
her and tried to change the properties on the anchored frame, versus on
the graphic itself. After clicking on the graphic and selecting
Runaround Properties and changing it to Don't Run Around, the problem
seems resolved! So, much appreciation to Linda for solving this for me!

Thanks for the response, Richard!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:38 PM
To: Sam Beard; Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Sam Beard wrote:
 
 Linda,
 
That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
 text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the
case
 may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
 text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a
graphic
 placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
 in what you've said?

I'm pretty certain Linda is right. If the Runaround Properties setting
of a graphic frame (not an anchored frame; those have no runaround
setting) is Contour or Bounding Box, then it will repel text,
regardless of what text frame or flow that text is in. That sounds like
what you've described. 

Did you try setting the graphic frame to Don't Run Around, or just
decide Linda must be wrong without testing it? 

Richard


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RE: [BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Clint,

   Thanks for that. Yes, I'm aware that text lines would also work, but
they wouldn't work quite as well in this case. For one thing, the
callouts are text instead of a simply a number/letter that's defined
elsewhere. Secondly, the callouts have more than a single line, which is
where the text tool seems to work best. Thirdly, I also need to apply a
paragraph style to the callouts, which is not available as a text line.
Conceivably, I could also reformat the text to match the format of the
other callouts, which is what I was going to try if I didn't get a fix
to the problem otherwise. 

Thanks much for the response and suggestion!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic
Importance: Low

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 


Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace  Electronics 
425-743-8674


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing

RE: free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Sam Beard]

Dave,

   First thing we need to know is what version of Mac OS is she using.
Also, you might be able to use something in the software that comes with
the digital camera she's using. Not knowing this info, I can't say for
sure. I'm not on a Mac here at work, but I have one at home. It's
possible that Preview, software that allows for viewing PDF files and
other file types, as well, and is included with Macs using Mac OS X,
might be able to do what you're talking about. 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:04 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

Hi

Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be able to 
help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has bought an

educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp files.

Because she wants to import photos taken on a digital camera, she needs 
to convert them from jpg to bmp.  Can anyone recommend some 
freeware/shareware viewer/converter program that will allow her to do 
this conversion on her Mac laptop.  I know there are many programs like 
this for a PC (XnView, IrfanView, etc), but I'm a bit lost in the Mac 
world.  I did find a Mac version of XnView, but it's a beta and doesn't 
support file conversion yet.

Thanks

Dave

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Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
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WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite
certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout
an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


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-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sbe...@oico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.



   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 



Thanks in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Richard,

   I just responded to Linda's second post, saying that I misunderstood
her and tried to change the properties on the anchored frame, versus on
the graphic itself. After clicking on the graphic and selecting
Runaround Properties and changing it to Don't Run Around, the problem
seems resolved! So, much appreciation to Linda for solving this for me!

Thanks for the response, Richard!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:38 PM
To: Sam Beard; Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Sam Beard wrote:

> Linda,
> 
>That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
> text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the
case
> may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
> text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a
graphic
> placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
> in what you've said?

I'm pretty certain Linda is right. If the Runaround Properties setting
of a graphic frame (not an anchored frame; those have no runaround
setting) is Contour or Bounding Box, then it will "repel" text,
regardless of what text frame or flow that text is in. That sounds like
what you've described. 

Did you try setting the graphic frame to Don't Run Around, or just
decide Linda must be wrong without testing it? 

Richard


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303-223-5111
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303-777-0436
--

[BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic

[Sam Beard]

Clint,

   Thanks for that. Yes, I'm aware that text lines would also work, but
they wouldn't work quite as well in this case. For one thing, the
callouts are text instead of a simply a number/letter that's defined
elsewhere. Secondly, the callouts have more than a single line, which is
where the text tool seems to work best. Thirdly, I also need to apply a
paragraph style to the callouts, which is not available as a text line.
Conceivably, I could also reformat the text to match the format of the
other callouts, which is what I was going to try if I didn't get a fix
to the problem otherwise. 

Thanks much for the response and suggestion!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:42 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic
Importance: Low

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 


Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace & Electronics 
425-743-8674


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sbe...@oico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.



   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I c

free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Sam Beard]

Dave,

   First thing we need to know is what version of Mac OS is she using.
Also, you might be able to use something in the software that comes with
the digital camera she's using. Not knowing this info, I can't say for
sure. I'm not on a Mac here at work, but I have one at home. It's
possible that Preview, software that allows for viewing PDF files and
other file types, as well, and is included with Macs using Mac OS X,
might be able to do what you're talking about. 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:04 PM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

Hi

Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be able to 
help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has bought an

educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp files.

Because she wants to import photos taken on a digital camera, she needs 
to convert them from jpg to bmp.  Can anyone recommend some 
freeware/shareware viewer/converter program that will allow her to do 
this conversion on her Mac laptop.  I know there are many programs like 
this for a PC (XnView, IrfanView, etc), but I'm a bit lost in the Mac 
world.  I did find a Mac version of XnView, but it's a beta and doesn't 
support file conversion yet.

Thanks

Dave

-- 
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

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Senior Technical Author   Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632
Tait Electronics Ltd  Email: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz
PO Box 1645
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RE: Case Change (a la Word)?

[Sam Beard]

Art,

   Yes, thank you! I've wondered the same thing before, so I appreciate
Ken for asking! I don't remember ever seeing this anywhere, either!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:51 AM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Case Change (a la Word)?

Ah . . what a list!

Thank you, Art!

-- Ken


At 10:11 AM 5/17/2008, Art Campbell wrote:
Ctrl-Alt and u, l, or c for UPPER, lower, or Cap(Case)

Art

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Ken Poshedly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Maybe I just haven't found it yet (it's not really a top priority
but
  would oftentimes make some tasks a bit quicker), but does FM have a
  similar feature as in Word whee you can choose to change the case of
  a selection of highlighted words (ALL CAPS, all lowercase, Initial
  Case, or Title case like this).
 
  I'm using FM7.0 at home and 8.0 a the office -- both on a Windows 
 XP platform.
 
  -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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Case Change (a la Word)?

[Sam Beard]

Art,

   Yes, thank you! I've wondered the same thing before, so I appreciate
Ken for asking! I don't remember ever seeing this anywhere, either!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:51 AM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Case Change (a la Word)?

Ah . . what a list!

Thank you, Art!

-- Ken


At 10:11 AM 5/17/2008, Art Campbell wrote:
>Ctrl-Alt and u, l, or c for UPPER, lower, or Cap(Case)
>
>Art
>
>On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Ken Poshedly 
wrote:
> > Maybe I just haven't found it yet (it's not really a top priority
but
> > would oftentimes make some tasks a bit quicker), but does FM have a
> > similar feature as in Word whee you can choose to change the case of
> > a selection of highlighted words (ALL CAPS, all lowercase, Initial
> > Case, or Title case like this).
> >
> > I'm using FM7.0 at home and 8.0 a the office -- both on a Windows 
> XP platform.
> >
> > -- Kenpo in Atlanta
> > ___
> >
>
>--
>Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
>
>
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RE: creating a paragraph element in a cell

[Sam Beard]

Deirdre,

   Glad you were able to figure it out! For some odd reason, I just
wasn't able to fully picture what you were trying to say. Could be that
I'm a tad tired after waking up early the past few nights and not being
able to get back to sleep. Then again  8^P

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
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-Original Message-
From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:03 PM
To: Sam Beard; Frame Users
Subject: Re: creating a paragraph element in a cell

Hi Sam and All:

Problem fixed!  I was changing the cell margin, which was changing the
indent for all lines in the cell, rather than just the line I was
working with.

I set the cell margins back to 0.0 and changed the indent instead.

Many thanks to Sarah O'Keefe who set me on the right path, and to
everyone who wrote offering to help me.

You guys are super!

Deirdre

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creating a paragraph element in a cell

[Sam Beard]

Deirdre,

   Glad you were able to figure it out! For some odd reason, I just
wasn't able to fully picture what you were trying to say. Could be that
I'm a tad tired after waking up early the past few nights and not being
able to get back to sleep. Then again  8^P

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.rea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:03 PM
To: Sam Beard; Frame Users
Subject: Re: creating a paragraph element in a cell

Hi Sam and All:

Problem fixed!  I was changing the cell margin, which was changing the
indent for all lines in the cell, rather than just the line I was
working with.

I set the cell margins back to 0.0 and changed the indent instead.

Many thanks to Sarah O'Keefe who set me on the right path, and to
everyone who wrote offering to help me.

You guys are super!

Deirdre

RE: Find and change smart quotes for regular quotes

[Sam Beard]

Stuart and Theresa,

   You don't have to turn off the smart quotes to type a regular quote
symbol. All you have to do is type Esc+Shift+ and this will put in a
regular quote symbol. I'm not sure that it will work in the Search
dialog box, though. You could still copy and paste it in, though, I
believe.

Sam

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:27 PM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find and change smart quotes for regular quotes

Theresa de Valence wrote:
 Sorry! The characters did not survive the post to the list.
 \g produces a character which _looks like_ two commas.
 Any idea what it is? Any idea how I get Frame to replace with what the
 post to the List achieved?
 Thanks.
 
 From: Theresa de Valence 
 Oops!
 \g produces:
 Last night instead of Last night
 Ideas?
 

Sorry, my bad; I was going by memory.  It sounds like you're finding the

smart quotes ok, it's just the replacement that isn't working.

Well, instead of \g, first turn off Smart Quotes in the FM doc, and then

type a double-quote somewhere, copy it, and paste it into the replace 
with box.

I think...   I'm not in FM right now and don't have time to test.

HTH

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Find and change smart quotes for regular quotes

[Sam Beard]

Stuart and Theresa,

   You don't have to turn off the smart quotes to type a regular quote
symbol. All you have to do is type Esc+Shift+" and this will put in a
regular quote symbol. I'm not sure that it will work in the Search
dialog box, though. You could still copy and paste it in, though, I
believe.

Sam

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From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:27 PM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find and change smart quotes for regular quotes

Theresa de Valence wrote:
> Sorry! The characters did not survive the post to the list.
> \g produces a character which _looks like_ two commas.
> Any idea what it is? Any idea how I get Frame to replace with what the
> post to the List achieved?
> Thanks.
> 
> From: Theresa de Valence 
> Oops!
> \g produces:
> "Last night instead of "Last night
> Ideas?
> 

Sorry, my bad; I was going by memory.  It sounds like you're finding the

smart quotes ok, it's just the replacement that isn't working.

Well, instead of \g, first turn off Smart Quotes in the FM doc, and then

type a double-quote somewhere, copy it, and paste it into the replace 
with box.

I think...   I'm not in FM right now and don't have time to test.

HTH

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RE: Broken Text Includes

[Sam Beard]

John,

   Yes, in an ideal situation, this is certainly feasible and
recommended. However, not everyone has easy access to high-speed
networks, outside of satellite systems, which have their own issues. For
example, I lived outside of town in a development that had no cable
access, with outdated phone lines that didn't support DSL. That meant
there was no cable modem available, nor was there any access to DSL. The
ONLY way I could've had high-speed access would've been satellite.
However, as I said, there are issues there, as well, particularly when
you rent instead of own. I now live in town with DSL, as well as access
to a cable modem, if we desired. 

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Technical Writer
OI Analytical
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John Posada wrote:
Our department of more than 12 writers has at least four writers who are
regular or FT telecommuters.

To allow us to do this, it is expected that we have our own
infrastructrure that supports any job functions we'd be doing in the
office. That includes having high-speed online access that handles any
departmental tools and processes, and the ability to participate in
conference calls without noise and distrractions.

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Broken Text Includes

[Sam Beard]

John,

   Yes, in an ideal situation, this is certainly feasible and
recommended. However, not everyone has easy access to high-speed
networks, outside of satellite systems, which have their own issues. For
example, I lived outside of town in a development that had no cable
access, with outdated phone lines that didn't support DSL. That meant
there was no cable modem available, nor was there any access to DSL. The
ONLY way I could've had high-speed access would've been satellite.
However, as I said, there are issues there, as well, particularly when
you rent instead of own. I now live in town with DSL, as well as access
to a cable modem, if we desired. 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


John Posada wrote:
Our department of more than 12 writers has at least four writers who are
regular or FT telecommuters.

To allow us to do this, it is expected that we have our own
infrastructrure that supports any job functions we'd be doing in the
office. That includes having high-speed online access that handles any
departmental tools and processes, and the ability to participate in
conference calls without noise and distrractions.

RE: Keyboard shortcuts stop working

[Sam Beard]

Diane,

   Thanks for responding on this issue. I've written in about the same
problem, along with a problem with the arrow keys not working when held
down continuously. The arrow keys work when pressed repeatedly, but not
if held down continuously. A couple of others have responded with
comments about certain programs installed or third-party extensions to
Frame installed, but none of those apply as I don't have the listed
applications installed, nor do I have any third-party Frame extensions
installed. 
   I'm looking in the Regional and Language Options control panel and
checking all of the things there I can deduce from your post, but none
of those seem to apply to my situation, either. I recently changed my
display settings that control the appearance of the windows (I don't
recall if I had it changed to my personal preferences when I've had this
issue before or not, so thought I'd try it. I have to switch to a
different one at times for screen captures.), so we'll see if this has
any effect on it. 
   Last week, I had an interesting development with it. I was working on
editing a document and it started happening again. Before I restarted
Frame, I wanted to finish the updates I was working on. I paged up and
found an anchored frame with an image in it, along with some lines and
text boxes for callouts. I remembered reading that you can press Control
and click on an element like a text box without switching tools, so I
did that and it worked! I moved the elements using the Alt key and arrow
keys and that worked, as well. When I clicked out of the anchored frame
and tried using the arrow keys, as well as things like Control-A,
Control-V, etc, they all worked, as well! I have NO IDEA why this
behavior happened, but, so far, it hasn't happened again.
   I'd certainly like to resolve this issue, if possible, as it is
rather a PITA to have to restart Frame when it happens!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:27 PM
To: Rick Quatro; Yves Barbion; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Keyboard shortcuts stop working

Hi Rick,

I have had the same thing happen, but also in other apps.  The keyboard
gets remapped to another language, usually Spanish.  I turned off the
language settings in the control panel and have not had it happen since.

The keyboard shortcut to switch languages was set to Left Alt Shift and
I apparently was hitting those keys without realizing it.  Next time it
happens, try that key combination and see if it switches back.  If not,
click Settings Control Panel  Regional and Language Settings  Details
and turn off all the languages except English.

Regards,

Diane

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:41 AM
To: Yves Barbion; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Keyboard shortcuts stop working


I have seen something similar recently with FrameMaker 7.2p158. My
keyboard 
will suddenly become remapped. I have to quit and restart FrameMaker and
all 
is well. I am still not sure what is triggering it.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

- Original Message - 
From: Yves Barbion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Keyboard shortcuts stop working


 Hi all,

 a fellow Framer is using FrameMaker 7.2b144. Sometimes (and we don't
know
 how it's triggered) the keyboard shortcuts (CTRL+X, CTRL+Z and others)

 stop
 working. When he quits and restarts FrameMaker, everything is fine
again.

 Is this a known bug? Has anyone had the same problem before? In which
 version?

 Kind regards





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 Documentation Architect
 Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
 
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Keyboard shortcuts stop working

[Sam Beard]

Diane,

   Thanks for responding on this issue. I've written in about the same
problem, along with a problem with the arrow keys not working when held
down continuously. The arrow keys work when pressed repeatedly, but not
if held down continuously. A couple of others have responded with
comments about certain programs installed or third-party extensions to
Frame installed, but none of those apply as I don't have the listed
applications installed, nor do I have any third-party Frame extensions
installed. 
   I'm looking in the Regional and Language Options control panel and
checking all of the things there I can deduce from your post, but none
of those seem to apply to my situation, either. I recently changed my
display settings that control the appearance of the windows (I don't
recall if I had it changed to my personal preferences when I've had this
issue before or not, so thought I'd try it. I have to switch to a
different one at times for screen captures.), so we'll see if this has
any effect on it. 
   Last week, I had an interesting development with it. I was working on
editing a document and it started happening again. Before I restarted
Frame, I wanted to finish the updates I was working on. I paged up and
found an anchored frame with an image in it, along with some lines and
text boxes for callouts. I remembered reading that you can press Control
and click on an element like a text box without switching tools, so I
did that and it worked! I moved the elements using the Alt key and arrow
keys and that worked, as well. When I clicked out of the anchored frame
and tried using the arrow keys, as well as things like Control-A,
Control-V, etc, they all worked, as well! I have NO IDEA why this
behavior happened, but, so far, it hasn't happened again.
   I'd certainly like to resolve this issue, if possible, as it is
rather a PITA to have to restart Frame when it happens!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:27 PM
To: Rick Quatro; Yves Barbion; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Keyboard shortcuts stop working

Hi Rick,

I have had the same thing happen, but also in other apps.  The keyboard
gets remapped to another language, usually Spanish.  I turned off the
language settings in the control panel and have not had it happen since.

The keyboard shortcut to switch languages was set to Left Alt Shift and
I apparently was hitting those keys without realizing it.  Next time it
happens, try that key combination and see if it switches back.  If not,
click Settings >Control Panel > Regional and Language Settings > Details
and turn off all the languages except English.

Regards,

Diane

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:41 AM
To: Yves Barbion; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Keyboard shortcuts stop working


I have seen something similar recently with FrameMaker 7.2p158. My
keyboard 
will suddenly become remapped. I have to quit and restart FrameMaker and
all 
is well. I am still not sure what is triggering it.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Yves Barbion" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Keyboard shortcuts stop working


> Hi all,
>
> a fellow Framer is using FrameMaker 7.2b144. Sometimes (and we don't
know
> how it's triggered) the keyboard shortcuts (CTRL+X, CTRL+Z and others)

> stop
> working. When he quits and restarts FrameMaker, everything is fine
again.
>
> Is this a known bug? Has anyone had the same problem before? In which
> version?
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Yves Barbion
> Documentation Architect
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> 
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Strange Key Control Issue

[Sam Beard]

Hey All,

 

   I'm having a strange problem with keys working in Frame 7.2b144 on
Windows XP. Certain keys seem to either stop working or stop working as
expected. For example, my Control key for shortcuts doesn't work
anymore. Neither do my arrow keys when held down. If I continuously
press the arrow keys, they work for each press, but not if held down.
Restarting Framemaker fixes the problem. So, what causes it? Any ideas
would be greatly appreciated!

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

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RE: Strange Key Control Issue

[Sam Beard]

Ceri,

   I'm not sure how many of the Control key combinations don't work, but
I do know that the three you mentioned don't work. The good news is
that, for me, it doesn't require a full reboot. I only have to restart
Frame to solve the problem. However, it's still quite annoying to have
to stop working to restart Frame and re-open all the documents and
various windows I routinely have open. 8-(

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ceri Richard
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:34 PM
To: Frame User's Group
Subject: Re: Strange Key Control Issue

I have the same problem but it only happens after generating a List of
Markers (index markers specifically in my case). When I then try
selecting
all to paste it into another document for converting to a table the
ctrl+a,
ctrl+c and ctrl+v key combos no longer work and a reboot is necessary.

Would love to solve this!

Ceri

On 8/31/07, Sam Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey All,



I'm having a strange problem with keys working in Frame 7.2b144 on
 Windows XP. Certain keys seem to either stop working or stop working
as
 expected. For example, my Control key for shortcuts doesn't work
 anymore. Neither do my arrow keys when held down. If I continuously
 press the arrow keys, they work for each press, but not if held down.
 Restarting Framemaker fixes the problem. So, what causes it? Any ideas
 would be greatly appreciated!



 Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

 Technical Writer

 OI Analytical

 979 690-1711 Ext. 222

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]





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RE: Strange Key Control Issue

[Sam Beard]

Lester,

   No, I don't have any third-party plug-ins running at all. There are
some I think we should probably get, but that's not an option at the
moment. I'll check on updating to the latest 7.2 release, as well. 

Thanks much for the response! 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:29 PM
To: Sam Beard; Ceri Richard; Frame User's Group
Subject: RE: Strange Key Control Issue

Do you have any 3rd party plug-ins running, like Microtype's TimeSavers,
etc?  Have you tried running without those enabled to see if this could
be a by-product of those utilities?  (note: I am NOT picking on the
TimeSavers as the culprit but it is simply the first plug-in I thought
of.)

Perhaps you should update to the latest 7.2 release - 7.2P158.  That is
the version I have and I do not recall ever having this problem with the
control or arrow keys ceasing to function as I expect.

On Friday, August 31, 2007 03:45 PM, Sam Beard wrote:

| Ceri,
| 
| I'm not sure how many of the Control key combinations don't work, but
| I do know that the three you mentioned don't work. The good news is
| that, for me, it doesn't require a full reboot. I only have to restart
| Frame to solve the problem. However, it's still quite annoying to have
| to stop working to restart Frame and re-open all the documents and
| various windows I routinely have open. 8-(
| 
| Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
| Technical Writer
| OI Analytical
| 979 690-1711 Ext. 222
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  
| -Original Message-
| From: Ceri Richard
| Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:34 PM
| To: Frame User's Group
| Subject: Re: Strange Key Control Issue
| 
| I have the same problem but it only happens after generating a List
| of Markers (index markers specifically in my case). When I then try
| selecting all to paste it into another document for converting to a
| table the ctrl+a, ctrl+c and ctrl+v key combos no longer work and a
| reboot is necessary.
| 
| Would love to solve this!
| 
| Ceri
| 
| On 8/31/07, Sam Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
|  Hey All,
| 
|  I'm having a strange problem with keys working in Frame 7.2b144 on
|  Windows XP. Certain keys seem to either stop working or stop working
|  as expected. For example, my Control key for shortcuts doesn't work
|  anymore. Neither do my arrow keys when held down. If I continuously
|  press the arrow keys, they work for each press, but not if held
down.
|  Restarting Framemaker fixes the problem. So, what causes it?
|  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
| 
|  Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
|  Technical Writer
|  OI Analytical
|  979 690-1711 Ext. 222
|  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Lester 
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Strange Key Control Issue

[Sam Beard]

Hey All,



   I'm having a strange problem with keys working in Frame 7.2b144 on
Windows XP. Certain keys seem to either stop working or stop working as
expected. For example, my Control key for shortcuts doesn't work
anymore. Neither do my arrow keys when held down. If I continuously
press the arrow keys, they work for each press, but not if held down.
Restarting Framemaker fixes the problem. So, what causes it? Any ideas
would be greatly appreciated!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

Strange Key Control Issue

[Sam Beard]

Ceri,

   I'm not sure how many of the Control key combinations don't work, but
I do know that the three you mentioned don't work. The good news is
that, for me, it doesn't require a full reboot. I only have to restart
Frame to solve the problem. However, it's still quite annoying to have
to stop working to restart Frame and re-open all the documents and
various windows I routinely have open. 8-(

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Ceri Richard
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:34 PM
To: Frame User's Group
Subject: Re: Strange Key Control Issue

I have the same problem but it only happens after generating a List of
Markers (index markers specifically in my case). When I then try
selecting
all to paste it into another document for converting to a table the
ctrl+a,
ctrl+c and ctrl+v key combos no longer work and a reboot is necessary.

Would love to solve this!

Ceri

On 8/31/07, Sam Beard  wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
>
>
>I'm having a strange problem with keys working in Frame 7.2b144 on
> Windows XP. Certain keys seem to either stop working or stop working
as
> expected. For example, my Control key for shortcuts doesn't work
> anymore. Neither do my arrow keys when held down. If I continuously
> press the arrow keys, they work for each press, but not if held down.
> Restarting Framemaker fixes the problem. So, what causes it? Any ideas
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
>
> Technical Writer
>
> OI Analytical
>
> 979 690-1711 Ext. 222
>
> sbeard at oico.com
>
>
>
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Strange Key Control Issue

[Sam Beard]

Lester,

   No, I don't have any third-party plug-ins running at all. There are
some I think we should probably get, but that's not an option at the
moment. I'll check on updating to the latest 7.2 release, as well. 

Thanks much for the response! 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:lsmal...@infocon.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:29 PM
To: Sam Beard; Ceri Richard; Frame User's Group
Subject: RE: Strange Key Control Issue

Do you have any 3rd party plug-ins running, like Microtype's TimeSavers,
etc?  Have you tried running without those enabled to see if this could
be a by-product of those utilities?  (note: I am NOT picking on the
TimeSavers as the culprit but it is simply the first plug-in I thought
of.)

Perhaps you should update to the latest 7.2 release - 7.2P158.  That is
the version I have and I do not recall ever having this problem with the
control or arrow keys ceasing to function as I expect.

On Friday, August 31, 2007 03:45 PM, Sam Beard wrote:

| Ceri,
| 
| I'm not sure how many of the Control key combinations don't work, but
| I do know that the three you mentioned don't work. The good news is
| that, for me, it doesn't require a full reboot. I only have to restart
| Frame to solve the problem. However, it's still quite annoying to have
| to stop working to restart Frame and re-open all the documents and
| various windows I routinely have open. 8-(
| 
| Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
| Technical Writer
| OI Analytical
| 979 690-1711 Ext. 222
| sbeard at oico.com
|  
| -Original Message-
| From: Ceri Richard
| Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:34 PM
| To: Frame User's Group
| Subject: Re: Strange Key Control Issue
| 
| I have the same problem but it only happens after generating a List
| of Markers (index markers specifically in my case). When I then try
| selecting all to paste it into another document for converting to a
| table the ctrl+a, ctrl+c and ctrl+v key combos no longer work and a
| reboot is necessary.
| 
| Would love to solve this!
| 
| Ceri
| 
| On 8/31/07, Sam Beard  wrote:
|
| > Hey All,
| >
| > I'm having a strange problem with keys working in Frame 7.2b144 on
| > Windows XP. Certain keys seem to either stop working or stop working
| > as expected. For example, my Control key for shortcuts doesn't work
| > anymore. Neither do my arrow keys when held down. If I continuously
| > press the arrow keys, they work for each press, but not if held
down.
| > Restarting Framemaker fixes the problem. So, what causes it?
| > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
| >
| > Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
| > Technical Writer
| > OI Analytical
| > 979 690-1711 Ext. 222
| > sbeard at oico.com

- Lester 
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Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS10/Parallels

[Sam Beard]

Will,

   I don't think that's related to running on a Mac, Parallels or not.
I'm on Windows XP with 7.2 and I have that same problem at times.
Actually, there are times I have to click on it THREE times: once to
select it, once to activate the drop-down, and once to fully populate
it. I've been pretty curious about what causes it, but haven't asked. 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Whites
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:27 PM
To: Pat Christenson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro underOS
10/Parallels

That might not be just a Parallels thingy.   For the longest time I  
have had to click twice in FM 7.x on XP in dropdown lists in  
dialogs.  Once to populate the dropdown, the second time to generate  
a scroll bar.  Am I alone?  A minor aggro - but still.

will white

On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Pat Christenson wrote:

> I've been running Frame 7.2 under Parallels on a MacBook Pro for  
> about 6 months. I've only encountered a few gotchas. You have to  
> get used to using "Mac" keys for "Windows" shortcuts (and you can  
> avoid a lot of that if you use the Esc shortcuts which work just  
> about anywhere). There's a kind of funky thing with dropdown menus.  
> I have to click the menu twice - once to "select" it and once to  
> display the choices.

++
There is something fascinating about science.
One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture
out of such a trifling investment of fact. - Twain
++

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Interesting Printing Problem

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,

 

   Please forgive the cross-post, but I wanted to share this with both
lists. I'm on Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP. Yesterday, I had to convert
some documents over from Frame to Word. Saving out to Word didn't work
well, with crashes of Frame the few times I tried. So, I tried
converting to RTF and then opening those files in Word and saving out as
regular Word files. This worked mostly, but there were a couple of files
that it just didn't work on, with the result a FRAME file instead of an
RTF. So, with those files, I converted to HTML and then opened and saved
as Word files. 

   So far, so good. This morning, when I tried to print a Frame
document, all I got was a VERY small full-page version of the page
centered on the 8.5 x 11 page, but only measuring something like 2 x 1,
or so. I tried another document, same result. I tried a Word document
and it printed normally. So, I restarted Frame and now it's back to
normal size on the Frame pages. I don't understand exactly what
happened, but thought I'd let the groups know and see if there are some
answers. Is this something known or is it something new?

 

Thanks much,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

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Interesting Printing Problem

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   Please forgive the cross-post, but I wanted to share this with both
lists. I'm on Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP. Yesterday, I had to convert
some documents over from Frame to Word. Saving out to Word didn't work
well, with crashes of Frame the few times I tried. So, I tried
converting to RTF and then opening those files in Word and saving out as
regular Word files. This worked mostly, but there were a couple of files
that it just didn't work on, with the result a FRAME file instead of an
RTF. So, with those files, I converted to HTML and then opened and saved
as Word files. 

   So far, so good. This morning, when I tried to print a Frame
document, all I got was a VERY small full-page version of the page
centered on the 8.5 x 11 page, but only measuring something like 2 x 1,
or so. I tried another document, same result. I tried a Word document
and it printed normally. So, I restarted Frame and now it's back to
normal size on the Frame pages. I don't understand exactly what
happened, but thought I'd let the groups know and see if there are some
answers. Is this something known or is it something new?



Thanks much,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

right to left languages

[Sam Beard]

Graeme,

   I recently bought an issue of a UK Mac magazine that included a CD
with a fully licensed version of Mellel on it. I haven't installed it on
my system at home, however. I've considered it, but haven't really felt
the need to do so at this time. For my written document needs at home,
Apple's iWorks does fine for me. I THINK the Mac magazine is Mac Format,
but I'm not sure and I loaned it out to a new Mac owner, so I can't
check it, either. I'm ALLEDGEDLY going to get it back at some point. ;-P

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Graeme R Forbes
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:01 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: right to left languages

Peter Courlis asked

"Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?"

Dov replied:
"Yes, Microsoft Word (Windows only) provides this support.
InDesign ME offers this support (both platforms); maybe future
versions of InDesign might also natively support right-to-left"


I think it used to be the case on the Mac that right to left language 
docs were mainly created in Nisus (http://nisus.com/). The OSX 
upgrade of Nisus still does it, but you might want to enter "Hebrew" 
in the user forums search and read some of the posts. The new kid on 
the block is a word processor called Mellel 
(http://www.redlers.com/index.html) which looks like it would be well 
worth investigating. In fact, it may even be a plausible replacement 
for FrameMaker for (English) technical writing on the Mac.

Graeme Forbes

RE: Conditional Text Question

[Sam Beard]

Fred and Others,

   Sorry it's taken me some time to get back to the list and those that
offered assistance, but I was sidetracked by another project. 
   Thanks to everyone for the great ideas and offers of help! At this
point, I think that Fred's idea is the best one. It resolves the issues
I had privately about having the conditional text for the other product
in the same file as what I wanted to have, albeit hidden, and it also
eliminates the major problem I had with the conditional text markers.
This way, if anyone else looks at the files later on, they (hopefully)
won't be confused with the (in some cases) double text if they make
things unconditional. It makes things nice and clean!
   Thanks again to a great set of people! The techwr-l and framer's
lists are great resources with wonderful people subscribed and willing
to help out! I'll continue to read and (mostly) lurk, offering
suggestions or comments as warranted.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:19 PM
To: Sam Beard; Frame User's Group
Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question

The Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog has an option box labeled
Sow Condition Indicators just below the Show list box. This 
option toggles the color and other (e.g. underlining or strikethrough)
highlighting of all conditions that are set to show. 

As far as archiving product-specific source files, another approach
that has not been mentioned is this one:
-Make a duplicate set of the complete, conditionalized book and
   source files.
-In the duplicate file set, use the Edit Condition Tag command in the
   Conditional Text dialog to delete each of the condition tags that
   relate to the other versions of the product. Each time you invoke
   the command for a condition that is actually in use in the file,
   you'll get a dialog that asks you whether you wish to make the
   tagged text unconditional or delete the text. Since the tags you
   are deleting relate to other product versions, choose the delete
   option.
-If you want to get serious, repeat the preceding step for the 
   conditions that are specific to the current version of the product,
   but choose the make unconditional option.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Staff Information Services Analyst
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:17 AM
To: Frame User's Group
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question


All,

   Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few
things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which
is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to
having three separate files (my second point), because of our
documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up
system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an
eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we
MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number.
However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first
one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain
having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the
appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on
our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that,
then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents
were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was
a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating
them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with
each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will
change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else
to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as
well.
   I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional
text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't
aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So,
thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine
how to hide the indicators.
   Thanks again and have a great day!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: Frame User's Group
Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question

Sam:

If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you
turn 
the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly 
conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within
the 
border

Conditional Text Question

[Sam Beard]

Fred and Others,

   Sorry it's taken me some time to get back to the list and those that
offered assistance, but I was sidetracked by another project. 
   Thanks to everyone for the great ideas and offers of help! At this
point, I think that Fred's idea is the best one. It resolves the issues
I had privately about having the conditional text for the other product
in the same file as what I wanted to have, albeit hidden, and it also
eliminates the major problem I had with the conditional text markers.
This way, if anyone else looks at the files later on, they (hopefully)
won't be confused with the (in some cases) double text if they make
things unconditional. It makes things nice and clean!
   Thanks again to a great set of people! The techwr-l and framer's
lists are great resources with wonderful people subscribed and willing
to help out! I'll continue to read and (mostly) lurk, offering
suggestions or comments as warranted.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.rid...@intel.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:19 PM
To: Sam Beard; Frame User's Group
Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question

The Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog has an option box labeled
"Sow Condition Indicators" just below the "Show" list box. This 
option toggles the color and other (e.g. underlining or strikethrough)
highlighting of all conditions that are set to show. 

As far as archiving product-specific source files, another approach
that has not been mentioned is this one:
-Make a duplicate set of the complete, conditionalized book and
   source files.
-In the duplicate file set, use the Edit Condition Tag command in the
   Conditional Text dialog to delete each of the condition tags that
   relate to the other versions of the product. Each time you invoke
   the command for a condition that is actually in use in the file,
   you'll get a dialog that asks you whether you wish to make the
   tagged text unconditional or delete the text. Since the tags you
   are deleting relate to other product versions, choose the delete
   option.
-If you want to get serious, repeat the preceding step for the 
   conditions that are specific to the current version of the product,
   but choose the "make unconditional" option.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Staff Information Services Analyst
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:17 AM
To: Frame User's Group
Cc: richard.combs at polycom.com; elebelle at gmail.com
Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question


All,

   Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few
things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which
is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to
having three separate files (my second point), because of our
documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up
system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an
eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we
MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number.
However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first
one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain
having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the
appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on
our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that,
then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents
were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was
a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating
them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with
each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will
change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else
to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as
well.
   I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional
text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't
aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So,
thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine
how to hide the indicators.
   Thanks again and have a great day!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:mle...@marzak.org] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: Frame User's Group
Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question

Sam:

If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you
turn 
the condition off

RE: Conditional Text Question

[Sam Beard]

All,

   Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few
things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which
is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to
having three separate files (my second point), because of our
documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up
system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an
eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we
MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number.
However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first
one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain
having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the
appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on
our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that,
then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents
were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was
a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating
them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with
each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will
change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else
to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as
well.
   I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional
text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't
aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So,
thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine
how to hide the indicators.
   Thanks again and have a great day!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: Frame User's Group
Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question

Sam:

If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you
turn 
the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly 
conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within
the 
border).

If that doesn't make sense, let me know.

Miriam


- Original Message - 
From: Sam Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: Conditional Text Question


Hello All,



   I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two
different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this,
there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a
LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them
into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text,
hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the
two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the
book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I
also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is
hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently
remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while
maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to
remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized.
Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that
are marked as conditional.



   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144.



   Thanks much in advance!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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Conditional Text Question

[Sam Beard]

All,

   Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few
things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which
is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to
having three separate files (my second point), because of our
documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up
system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an
eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we
MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number.
However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first
one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain
having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the
appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on
our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that,
then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents
were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was
a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating
them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with
each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will
change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else
to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as
well.
   I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional
text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't
aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So,
thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine
how to hide the indicators.
   Thanks again and have a great day!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:mle...@marzak.org] 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: Frame User's Group
Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question

Sam:

If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you
turn 
the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly 
conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within
the 
border).

If that doesn't make sense, let me know.

Miriam


- Original Message - 
From: "Sam Beard" <sbe...@oico.com>
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: Conditional Text Question


Hello All,



   I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two
different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this,
there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a
LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them
into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text,
hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the
two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the
book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I
also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is
hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently
remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while
maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to
remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized.
Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that
are marked as conditional.



   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144.



   Thanks much in advance!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Conditional Text Question

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,

 

   I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two
different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this,
there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a
LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them
into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text,
hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the
two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the
book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I
also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is
hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently
remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while
maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to
remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized.
Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that
are marked as conditional.

 

   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144.

 

   Thanks much in advance!

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

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Conditional Text Question

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two
different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this,
there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a
LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them
into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text,
hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the
two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the
book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I
also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is
hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently
remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while
maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to
remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized.
Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that
are marked as conditional.



   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144.



   Thanks much in advance!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

RE: Text Flow and Figure Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Harry,

 

   Thanks for the information, but perhaps there's some confusion. I'm
not using Word for any of this. It's all staying in Frame. The
information section I'm having a problem with is from another Frame
document that someone else wrote and I need to include in my document.
Everything worked fine except for the figure numbers for two figures
that are contained in the same anchored frame. The figure captions are
included in text boxes inside the larger anchored frame and the figures
themselves are in anchored frames inside the larger anchored frame. The
figure captions have no flow indicators assigned to them, unlike all the
other figure captions in the document, which is why they're out of order
with the rest of them, I believe. 

   I could simply redo those figures and their captions, separating them
out from the larger anchored frame, and I may yet have to do just that.
However, I'm trying to keep the look the same as much as I can, which is
why I asked for some help in figuring out how to assign the flow and
make them join the rest of the document. However, I'm not having any
luck on getting answers. Unless it's ME that's misunderstanding YOU!
Always a distinct possibility!

 

Thanks for the help!

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:05 PM
To: Sam Beard; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Text Flow and Figure Numbering Issue

 

In my experience with Word (since 2.0 or so (1985/86) I have not had
good success using frames.  However, they work for some.

 

I would suggest the following.

 

Take the original information you have in FM.

Save the information in a Word document.

Capture the text.

Put it in the 'word' document.

Do what you need to do so that the format in your word document has is
'the same as' the FM image

 

Copy this information from the 'word' document

Paste it into the 'new' word document wheere you want it.

Set up your captions

 

Yo9u should see a 'good' segment in your document.

 

HTH,

 

Harry.

 







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Text Flow and Figure Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Harry,



   Thanks for the information, but perhaps there's some confusion. I'm
not using Word for any of this. It's all staying in Frame. The
information section I'm having a problem with is from another Frame
document that someone else wrote and I need to include in my document.
Everything worked fine except for the figure numbers for two figures
that are contained in the same anchored frame. The figure captions are
included in text boxes inside the larger anchored frame and the figures
themselves are in anchored frames inside the larger anchored frame. The
figure captions have no flow indicators assigned to them, unlike all the
other figure captions in the document, which is why they're out of order
with the rest of them, I believe. 

   I could simply redo those figures and their captions, separating them
out from the larger anchored frame, and I may yet have to do just that.
However, I'm trying to keep the look the same as much as I can, which is
why I asked for some help in figuring out how to assign the flow and
make them join the rest of the document. However, I'm not having any
luck on getting answers. Unless it's ME that's misunderstanding YOU!
Always a distinct possibility!



Thanks for the help!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





From: HBacheler at aol.com [mailto:hbache...@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:05 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at frameusers.com
Cc: techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: Re: Text Flow and Figure Numbering Issue



In my experience with Word (since 2.0 or so (1985/86) I have not had
good success using frames.  However, they work for some.



I would suggest the following.



Take the original information you have in FM.

Save the information in a Word document.

Capture the text.

Put it in the 'word' document.

Do what you need to do so that the format in your word document has is
'the same as' the FM "image"



Copy this information from the 'word' document

Paste it into the 'new' word document wheere you want it.

Set up your captions



Yo9u should see a 'good' segment in your document.



HTH,



Harry.









See what's free at AOL.com
<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503> . 

Text Flow and Figure Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,

 

   Please forgive the cross-posting, but I thought it best to post to
both lists to get the answer. I'm using Frame 7.2 on Windows XP.

 

   I'm working on a chapter to a user's manual. In this chapter, I
copied and pasted in another document that serves as a technical note,
basically, when on its own. In my chapter, I'm adding it in to a
maintenance chapter. This document has one anchored frame in it that has
two graphics side by side, with figure title paragraphs below them. The
problem is that they're not in the same flow as the rest of the document
and, hence, the numbering is being thrown off. They're listed as numbers
7.8 and 7.9, with the appropriate cross-references to them in the text.
However, they SHOULD be numbered 7.13 and 7.14. I tried to connect the
text flows so the numbering would get corrected, but Frame won't let me
do that, probably because they are in text boxes inside an anchored
frame. So, how do I either connect them to the text flow of the rest of
the document or, at the least, change the numbers so they match up with
the rest of the document and don't throw off my numbering? 

 

   Thanks much in advance for the help!

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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Text Flow and Figure Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,

   More info: The information I'm inserting into this chapter from the
technical note was written by someone else. I'd like to try and keep the
information as visually similar as possible to avoid any confusion among
those that might see both. However, the only thing I can think of doing
to resolve this issue is to re-insert the images again, as two separate
anchored frames instead of inside a single frame. Is there another
option to keep it visually similar?

Thanks much in advance!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


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[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.techwr-l.com] On Behalf
Of Sam Beard
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 3:52 PM
To: Framers E-mail List
Cc: techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: Text Flow and Figure Numbering Issue

Hello All,



   Please forgive the cross-posting, but I thought it best to post to
both lists to get the answer. I'm using Frame 7.2 on Windows XP.



   I'm working on a chapter to a user's manual. In this chapter, I
copied and pasted in another document that serves as a technical note,
basically, when on its own. In my chapter, I'm adding it in to a
maintenance chapter. This document has one anchored frame in it that has
two graphics side by side, with figure title paragraphs below them. The
problem is that they're not in the same flow as the rest of the document
and, hence, the numbering is being thrown off. They're listed as numbers
7.8 and 7.9, with the appropriate cross-references to them in the text.
However, they SHOULD be numbered 7.13 and 7.14. I tried to connect the
text flows so the numbering would get corrected, but Frame won't let me
do that, probably because they are in text boxes inside an anchored
frame. So, how do I either connect them to the text flow of the rest of
the document or, at the least, change the numbers so they match up with
the rest of the document and don't throw off my numbering? 



   Thanks much in advance for the help!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Text Flow and Figure Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   Please forgive the cross-posting, but I thought it best to post to
both lists to get the answer. I'm using Frame 7.2 on Windows XP.



   I'm working on a chapter to a user's manual. In this chapter, I
copied and pasted in another document that serves as a technical note,
basically, when on its own. In my chapter, I'm adding it in to a
maintenance chapter. This document has one anchored frame in it that has
two graphics side by side, with figure title paragraphs below them. The
problem is that they're not in the same flow as the rest of the document
and, hence, the numbering is being thrown off. They're listed as numbers
7.8 and 7.9, with the appropriate cross-references to them in the text.
However, they SHOULD be numbered 7.13 and 7.14. I tried to connect the
text flows so the numbering would get corrected, but Frame won't let me
do that, probably because they are in text boxes inside an anchored
frame. So, how do I either connect them to the text flow of the rest of
the document or, at the least, change the numbers so they match up with
the rest of the document and don't throw off my numbering? 



   Thanks much in advance for the help!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

RE: Geeky Friday Humor

[Sam Beard]

...And I thought about getting a plate before that read MSBHAVN.
However, I figure it would attract too much of the wrong kind of
attention! Especially if it was on something like a sports car!

Is it nap time, yet?

Sam
who's tired after the birth of his daughter one month ago

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OI Analytical
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... And on the road earlier this week, I saw a car
in the SF Bay area with the license plate TSURIS.
I felt sorry for the guy ...

- Dov
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Van Boening, Tammy
 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:04 AM
 To: undisclosed-recipients
 Subject: OT: Geeky Friday Humor
 
 So, on the way into work today, I saw the following on a 
 license plate:
 RGBCMYK and the license plate holder stated that Artists do it
 graphically. I was cracking up; however, my husband on the other hand
 did not understand why I thought it was so funny and sigh accused me
 of yet another round of geeky humor. /sigh
 
 TGIF!
 
 TVB
 
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Geeky Friday Humor

[Sam Beard]

...And I thought about getting a plate before that read "MSBHAVN".
However, I figure it would attract too much of the wrong kind of
attention! Especially if it was on something like a sports car!

Is it nap time, yet?

Sam
who's tired after the birth of his daughter one month ago

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


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Of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Framers E-mail List
Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor

... And on the road earlier this week, I saw a car
in the SF Bay area with the license plate TSURIS.
I felt sorry for the guy ...

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Van Boening, Tammy
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:04 AM
> To: undisclosed-recipients
> Subject: OT: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> So, on the way into work today, I saw the following on a 
> license plate:
> RGBCMYK and the license plate holder stated that "Artists do it
> graphically." I was cracking up; however, my husband on the other hand
> did not understand why I thought it was so funny and  accused me
> of yet another round of "geeky humor." 
> 
> TGIF!
> 
> TVB
> 
> Tammy L. Van Boening
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RE: Conditional Text Question - Resolved

[Sam Beard]

All,

   Thanks VERY much to Tammy Van Boening, Gillian Flato, and William
Abernathy who helped me to resolve this problem! I mostly lurk here,
only chiming in when I feel I have something useful to add. But, it's
people like these three, as well as many others on both this list and
Techwr-l that help me out quite a bit. I've gotten some VERY useful info
from both lists. You guys are great and a great help!

Thanks again,

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Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Sam Beard
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Conditional Text Question

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.

 

   I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing
a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there
are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and
B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from
one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are
showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product
manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? 

 

Thanks much in advance,

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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Conditional Text Question

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.



   I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing
a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there
are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and
B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from
one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are
showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product
manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? 



Thanks much in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

Conditional Text Question - Resolved

[Sam Beard]

All,

   Thanks VERY much to Tammy Van Boening, Gillian Flato, and William
Abernathy who helped me to resolve this problem! I mostly lurk here,
only chiming in when I feel I have something useful to add. But, it's
people like these three, as well as many others on both this list and
Techwr-l that help me out quite a bit. I've gotten some VERY useful info
from both lists. You guys are great and a great help!

Thanks again,

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Sam Beard
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Conditional Text Question

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.



   I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing
a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there
are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and
B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from
one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are
showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product
manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? 



Thanks much in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Chapter Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.

 

   We had some serious network issues starting sometime last Thursday or
so, continuing up until late last night/this morning. They seem to be
resolved for now, but we've had some strange issues come up since then.
For example, I have a book with several chapters in it. A couple of
these chapters were corrupted in some manner and two of them showed this
same numbering issue. I resolved it in one, but I'm not quite sure how,
so I don't know how to resolve it in the other. Instead of the chapter
and page numbering continuing as it should from chapter file to chapter
file, the book shows only one page in the chapter, even though there ARE
several more pages. For example, Chapter 8 is pages 309 to 316, Chapter
9 is 317 (with 42 pages actually in the file), and Chapter 10 is pages
318 to 337. A previous file did the same thing, but I don't remember
what I did to resolve it. I tried a number of things and finally just
stumbled upon the answer. But, nothing seems to be working this time. 

 

   Any ideas would be greatly appreciated it!

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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RE: Chapter Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Fred and Richard,

   Thanks much for the help! I did update the book and that, apparently,
was what I had done on the previous chapter that was messed up. It
worked on the second chapter and all is right with my numbering once
again. 

Thanks much, again!

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Technical Writer
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-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:40 AM
To: Sam Beard
Subject: RE: Chapter Numbering Issue

Use the Update Book command, and all should be fine again. 

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Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:28 PM
To: framers@frameusers.com
Subject: Chapter Numbering Issue

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.

 

   We had some serious network issues starting sometime last Thursday or
so, continuing up until late last night/this morning. They seem to be
resolved for now, but we've had some strange issues come up since then.
For example, I have a book with several chapters in it. A couple of
these chapters were corrupted in some manner and two of them showed this
same numbering issue. I resolved it in one, but I'm not quite sure how,
so I don't know how to resolve it in the other. Instead of the chapter
and page numbering continuing as it should from chapter file to chapter
file, the book shows only one page in the chapter, even though there ARE
several more pages. For example, Chapter 8 is pages 309 to 316, Chapter
9 is 317 (with 42 pages actually in the file), and Chapter 10 is pages
318 to 337. A previous file did the same thing, but I don't remember
what I did to resolve it. I tried a number of things and finally just
stumbled upon the answer. But, nothing seems to be working this time. 

 

   Any ideas would be greatly appreciated it!

 

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

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Chapter Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Fred and Richard,

   Thanks much for the help! I did update the book and that, apparently,
was what I had done on the previous chapter that was messed up. It
worked on the second chapter and all is right with my numbering once
again. 

Thanks much, again!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.rid...@intel.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:40 AM
To: Sam Beard
Subject: RE: Chapter Numbering Issue

Use the Update Book command, and all should be fine again. 

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From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:28 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Chapter Numbering Issue

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.



   We had some serious network issues starting sometime last Thursday or
so, continuing up until late last night/this morning. They seem to be
resolved for now, but we've had some strange issues come up since then.
For example, I have a book with several chapters in it. A couple of
these chapters were corrupted in some manner and two of them showed this
same numbering issue. I resolved it in one, but I'm not quite sure how,
so I don't know how to resolve it in the other. Instead of the chapter
and page numbering continuing as it should from chapter file to chapter
file, the book shows only one page in the chapter, even though there ARE
several more pages. For example, Chapter 8 is pages 309 to 316, Chapter
9 is 317 (with 42 pages actually in the file), and Chapter 10 is pages
318 to 337. A previous file did the same thing, but I don't remember
what I did to resolve it. I tried a number of things and finally just
stumbled upon the answer. But, nothing seems to be working this time. 



   Any ideas would be greatly appreciated it!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

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Chapter Numbering Issue

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.



   We had some serious network issues starting sometime last Thursday or
so, continuing up until late last night/this morning. They seem to be
resolved for now, but we've had some strange issues come up since then.
For example, I have a book with several chapters in it. A couple of
these chapters were corrupted in some manner and two of them showed this
same numbering issue. I resolved it in one, but I'm not quite sure how,
so I don't know how to resolve it in the other. Instead of the chapter
and page numbering continuing as it should from chapter file to chapter
file, the book shows only one page in the chapter, even though there ARE
several more pages. For example, Chapter 8 is pages 309 to 316, Chapter
9 is 317 (with 42 pages actually in the file), and Chapter 10 is pages
318 to 337. A previous file did the same thing, but I don't remember
what I did to resolve it. I tried a number of things and finally just
stumbled upon the answer. But, nothing seems to be working this time. 



   Any ideas would be greatly appreciated it!



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

[Sam Beard]

Scott,

   This isn't exactly true. Microsoft CHOSE not to export IE for Mac OS
X. This was done partly because Apple has their own browser, Safari, and
partly because of the rise in popularity of Firefox, Opera, Camino, and
others. The last version of IE for Mac was running quite well on Mac OS
X, but it was also the equivalent of at least one version behind Windows
IE, IIRC. Safari is generally well-regarded, as are the others listed
above. And, with MS pushing IE's "integration" into the Windows OS,
there wasn't really a desire on their part to continue work on something
without much tangible return. IE for Windows gets stuck into the Windows
OS in such a way that it's VERY difficult to fully disentangle it from
the OS and to fully use another browser instead. I've heard of many
times where someone THINKS they've disabled IE as a default browser, but
then something happens that launches IE instead of something else. As
always, YMMV greatly from this.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of quills at airmail.net
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:49 PM
To: Paul Findon; Frame Users; Free Framers List; Steve Rickaby
Subject: Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

Considering that Microsoft couldn't seem to port Internet Explorer to 
OS X, it must be insurmountable.

Scott

At 5:12 PM + 3/1/07, Paul Findon wrote:
>Steve Rickaby wrote:
>
>>  >"Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult
>>>stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output,
>>>etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X"
>>>
>>>In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for 
>>>GoLive, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs people 
>>>who know how to get a document to print on a Mac, even under the 
>>>formidably taxing OSX. It just chose not to put them to work on 
>>>FM, because there was little demand for its previous, non-OSX, 
>>>new-feature-thin FM upgrades. Terrific.
>>
>>There may be other factors at work here. To create universal 
>>binaries that will work on OS X across MacIntel and PowerPC 
>>platforms, Adobe has to migrate their code base to XCode, the Apple 
>>development system. That process is, as I understand it, well under 
>>way for the CS 2 applications.
>>
>>However, FrameMaker has a much older code base, so the effort to 
>>migrate it to XCode would be proportionately greater. For all I 
>>know, some parts of FrameMaker might be coded in Assembler for 
>>speed. If this is the case, moving such code to a multi-platform 
>>production base such as XCode would be all the more complex, and 
>>might involve a major re-coding effort. All this ups cost and 
>>reduces margins.
>
>Who's side are you on, Steve ;-)
>
>In the early '90s, I made many a manual with Adobe FrameMaker 3.0 
>for NeXTSTEP.
>
>Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both built on BSD?
>
>Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both built on the Mach kernel?
>
>Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both object-orientated
environments?
>
>Hang on. Don't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both support Objective-C?
>
>Hang on. NeXTSTEP used Display PostScript, Mac OS X uses PDF. Isn't 
>PDF based on PostScript?
>
>Hang on. Don't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both support Type 1 fonts?
>
>Hang on. Weren't NeXTSTEP app developers some of the first to port 
>their apps to Mac OS X?
>
>How difficult could it be?
>
>Paul
>

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RE: Multiple Volume Documentation Set

[Sam Beard]

Hello,

   We use Frame for basically what you're talking about, I believe. We
have several versions of our main software product and the previous
writers set up the documentation using variables and different color
text to indicate which words/paragraphs belongs to what version. It
works fairly well, but can be a tad confusing. One of the reasons for
this is the color choices for the variable text. There are three shades
of blue involved, and there's not THAT much separation between the
shades. I think a better plan, if possible, is to use a number of files
and pull them in where needed, if you have a large amount of common
material between them. However, when you're talking about simply a
paragraph here and there interspersed between paragraphs of common
material, that approach probably isn't very feasible. 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Multiple Volume Documentation Set

Has anyone used Framemaker for the purpose of generating a complete
reference set i.e., extensive use of volumes?  I would like to see if
someone can provide me with some direction on setting up a file
structure and/or any gotchas awaiting me for setting up this
documentation.
 
I am faced with a project in which I think Framemaker was designed.  To
this point I have used framemake for the purpose of developing one book
but never multiple books i.e., using the volume feature for each of the
books.  This project is going to require that I produce a series of
books ie., maintenance procedures, safety procedures, code compliance
issues etc.,  for multiple plants/locations.  I would guess I am going
to need to develop about 10 volumes and to further complicate things
these volumes would need to be developed for multiple locations.  
 
My initial thought was to develop these documents and make extensive use
of variables (for the purpose of inserting the various plant names where
required) and conditional text to put information that is specific to
the particular plants.  As I mentioned I would be interested in any
information on doing a large project like this.  I have not been able to
find much online for this type of project.  Any help is greatly
appreciated
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Multiple Volume Documentation Set

[Sam Beard]

Hello,

   We use Frame for basically what you're talking about, I believe. We
have several versions of our main software product and the previous
writers set up the documentation using variables and different color
text to indicate which words/paragraphs belongs to what version. It
works fairly well, but can be a tad confusing. One of the reasons for
this is the color choices for the variable text. There are three shades
of blue involved, and there's not THAT much separation between the
shades. I think a better plan, if possible, is to use a number of files
and pull them in where needed, if you have a large amount of common
material between them. However, when you're talking about simply a
paragraph here and there interspersed between paragraphs of common
material, that approach probably isn't very feasible. 

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES, LP
936 521-2241

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From: framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of kgrace
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Multiple Volume Documentation Set

Has anyone used Framemaker for the purpose of generating a complete
reference set i.e., extensive use of volumes?  I would like to see if
someone can provide me with some direction on setting up a file
structure and/or any gotchas awaiting me for setting up this
documentation.

I am faced with a project in which I think Framemaker was designed.  To
this point I have used framemake for the purpose of developing one book
but never multiple books i.e., using the volume feature for each of the
books.  This project is going to require that I produce a series of
books ie., maintenance procedures, safety procedures, code compliance
issues etc.,  for multiple plants/locations.  I would guess I am going
to need to develop about 10 volumes and to further complicate things
these volumes would need to be developed for multiple locations.  

My initial thought was to develop these documents and make extensive use
of variables (for the purpose of inserting the various plant names where
required) and conditional text to put information that is specific to
the particular plants.  As I mentioned I would be interested in any
information on doing a large project like this.  I have not been able to
find much online for this type of project.  Any help is greatly
appreciated
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Chapter Problems

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,

 

   I'm just getting into a new job, taking over from someone who was
basically thrust into the position and did the best she could, but
didn't know much about Frame. I'm creating a document template for all
of our documents, basing it on one of the existing documents, since
management likes at least certain aspects of it. I'm having a few
problems with that process. The current one deals with Chapter Name and
Chapter Number tags. I have a book file with three chapters and one
introduction chapter. The Chapter Number tag is coded as such:
C:Chapter\ n+. This SHOULD be starting the chapter numbers at 1 for
the first one and incrementing as they go along. I also have selected a
tag of Chapter Name to be the follow-up paragraph. However, in the
template, as a test, the next paragraph tag after pressing Enter is
another Chapter Number tag. Also, I've updated the book and the three
individual chapters are all numbered at 1. Any ideas on these issues
would be GREATLY appreciated!

 

Sam Beard

Technical Communications - Special Projects

CTES - LP

936 521-2241

 

 

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Chapter Problems

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   I'm just getting into a new job, taking over from someone who was
basically thrust into the position and did the best she could, but
didn't know much about Frame. I'm creating a document template for all
of our documents, basing it on one of the existing documents, since
management likes at least certain aspects of it. I'm having a few
problems with that process. The current one deals with Chapter Name and
Chapter Number tags. I have a book file with three chapters and one
introduction chapter. The Chapter Number tag is coded as such:
C:Chapter\ <n+>. This SHOULD be starting the chapter numbers at 1 for
the first one and incrementing as they go along. I also have selected a
tag of Chapter Name to be the follow-up paragraph. However, in the
template, as a test, the next paragraph tag after pressing Enter is
another Chapter Number tag. Also, I've updated the book and the three
individual chapters are all numbered at 1. Any ideas on these issues
would be GREATLY appreciated!



Sam Beard

Technical Communications - Special Projects

CTES - LP

936 521-2241

RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

All,

   I stand corrected! I'm guessing my mistake in this was with the
computers themselves and NOT the operating systems. I thought that
Classic was also tied to the OS as well as the computer. Apparently,
it's only tied to the computer. I believe that the last round of G4s and
the G5s didn't allow dual-booting into OS 9 as well as OS X. I wasn't
aware that Tiger still allowed a Classic environment. 
   I recently bought a new Mac Pro desktop, Intel-based, so this
knowledge doesn't help me any in my home situation, but it's still nice
to know! Thanks much, everyone, for their input and on setting me
straight on this!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

-Original Message-
From: Michael O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:35 PM
To: Sam Beard; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

I'm running this on a Mac Mini with a G4 proc.  

It's been a long time since I set it up, but as best as I can remember,
I installed the Classic environment as part of the initial setup and
configuration of Tiger.  This required the use of a Classic
environment disk (again, if I remember correctly).

When I try to open a Classic (OS9) application, the Classic environment
opens automatically within OS X and the application I originally tried
to open runs within this.  I don't boot to Classic or do any dual
booting shenanigans.

In the System Preferences, there is a Classic icon under System that
allows me to set various Classic options, including starting when
logging in, warning before starting Classic, various memory usage
settings for Classic, and more.  

OS 9/Classic does NOT appear as an option when under Startup Disk
preferences.

Sorry I can't provide too many details.  It's been a long time since I
initially set it up and I use Classic less and less frequently every
week that passes.  At least I know that in at least my circumstance,
Classic does work on Tiger.

-Michael



-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:49 PM
To: Michael O'Neill; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.
  
-Michael

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Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:03 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell

RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Hey Peter,

   I agree that this is an excellent series of books! I have one from OS
X 10.1, I believe. I was looking for one for Frame, since there are so
many others out there. Alas, I wasn't able to find one, so have been
looking for another good book for Frame. I recently bought the
Dreamweaver 8 Missing Manual and, so far, it looks to be just about as
good as Pogue's books. 

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Peter wrote: snipped
You can read a lot about this (and other stuff) in David Pogue's 
excellent and thorough Mac OS X: The Missing Manual (choose the cat 
version you need.) There's not much he overlooks explaining about common

and obscure aspects of Mac-ing.

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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Hey Steve,

   Thanks for the input. Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the issue
was with the OS itself. I knew that the last round, I believe, of G4s as
well as the G5s didn't support dual-booting. They still ran Classic, I
believe, but not straight OS 9. I also knew that Apple wasn't porting
anything OS 9/Classic-related over to the new Intel-based Macs. I wasn't
aware that, as it appears people are saying from this thread, that Adobe
hasn't ported over Frame to run in OS X. Is that the case? Anyone heard
anything about when Adobe might be releasing an OS X version, if that is
the case?

Thanks much,

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:40 AM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

At 14:48 -0700 9/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some
sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

I can see where some of this confusion is coming from.

First off, Sam, your initial assertion of 'Tiger does NOT support OS 9
in any form' is misleading (forgive my bluntness): it's not a Tiger
(i.e. OS) restriction, but a hardware restriction. All versions of OS X
have supported OS 9 in its Classic form, a software wrapper that allows
a full OS 9 to run within the OS X environment. And within that,
FrameMaker runs just fine, as long as you follow the guidelines given
here:

http://www.fm4osx.org/classic.html

What *is* true is that none of the most recent range of Intel-chipped
Macs run Classic. This is hardware issue: Apple chose not to port
Classic to these machines. This is a situation that a lot of clever
people are working on, as Apple appears to be unaware that many Mac
users are still dependent on legacy software. But for FrameMaker, the
option at present on these machines is to run one of the software
solutions that support Windows or Windows apps:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/

Finally, Peter Gold's point about dual-boot Macs only applies to older
hardware models. I forget when the last dual-boot Mac was dropped, but
you should be able to find out here:

http://www.apple-history.com/

Fwiw, I have a 2000-vintage Cube that is dual boot, and a 2004-vintage
G4 that is not, so it was sometime between those years.

-- 
Steve
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OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

All,

   I stand corrected! I'm guessing my mistake in this was with the
computers themselves and NOT the operating systems. I thought that
Classic was also tied to the OS as well as the computer. Apparently,
it's only tied to the computer. I believe that the last round of G4s and
the G5s didn't allow dual-booting into OS 9 as well as OS X. I wasn't
aware that Tiger still allowed a Classic environment. 
   I recently bought a new Mac Pro desktop, Intel-based, so this
knowledge doesn't help me any in my home situation, but it's still nice
to know! Thanks much, everyone, for their input and on setting me
straight on this!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241


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From: Michael O'Neill [mailto:mone...@meta-comm.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:35 PM
To: Sam Beard; swhite at alamark.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

I'm running this on a Mac Mini with a G4 proc.  

It's been a long time since I set it up, but as best as I can remember,
I installed the Classic environment as part of the initial setup and
configuration of Tiger.  This required the use of a "Classic"
environment disk (again, if I remember correctly).

When I try to open a Classic (OS9) application, the Classic environment
opens automatically within OS X and the application I originally tried
to open runs within this.  I don't boot to Classic or do any dual
booting shenanigans.

In the System Preferences, there is a "Classic" icon under "System" that
allows me to set various Classic options, including starting when
logging in, warning before starting Classic, various memory usage
settings for Classic, and more.  

OS 9/Classic does NOT appear as an option when under Startup Disk
preferences.

Sorry I can't provide too many details.  It's been a long time since I
initially set it up and I use Classic less and less frequently every
week that passes.  At least I know that in at least my circumstance,
Classic does work on Tiger.

-Michael



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From: Sam Beard [mailto:sam.be...@ctes.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:49 PM
To: Michael O'Neill; swhite at alamark.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241

Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.

-Michael

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+moneill=meta-comm@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+moneill=meta-comm.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:03 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am 

OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Hey Peter,

   I agree that this is an excellent series of books! I have one from OS
X 10.1, I believe. I was looking for one for Frame, since there are so
many others out there. Alas, I wasn't able to find one, so have been
looking for another good book for Frame. I recently bought the
Dreamweaver 8 Missing Manual and, so far, it looks to be just about as
good as Pogue's books. 

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241

Peter wrote: 
You can read a lot about this (and other stuff) in David Pogue's 
excellent and thorough "Mac OS X: The Missing Manual" (choose the cat 
version you need.) There's not much he overlooks explaining about common

and obscure aspects of Mac-ing.

OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Hey Steve,

   Thanks for the input. Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the issue
was with the OS itself. I knew that the last round, I believe, of G4s as
well as the G5s didn't support dual-booting. They still ran Classic, I
believe, but not straight OS 9. I also knew that Apple wasn't porting
anything OS 9/Classic-related over to the new Intel-based Macs. I wasn't
aware that, as it appears people are saying from this thread, that Adobe
hasn't ported over Frame to run in OS X. Is that the case? Anyone heard
anything about when Adobe might be releasing an OS X version, if that is
the case?

Thanks much,

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241


-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:40 AM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

At 14:48 -0700 9/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

>   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
>therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
>any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
>machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some
sort
>or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
>   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

I can see where some of this confusion is coming from.

First off, Sam, your initial assertion of 'Tiger does NOT support OS 9
in any form' is misleading (forgive my bluntness): it's not a Tiger
(i.e. OS) restriction, but a hardware restriction. All versions of OS X
have supported OS 9 in its Classic form, a software wrapper that allows
a full OS 9 to run within the OS X environment. And within that,
FrameMaker runs just fine, as long as you follow the guidelines given
here:

<http://www.fm4osx.org/classic.html>

What *is* true is that none of the most recent range of Intel-chipped
Macs run Classic. This is hardware issue: Apple chose not to port
Classic to these machines. This is a situation that a lot of clever
people are working on, as Apple appears to be unaware that many Mac
users are still dependent on legacy software. But for FrameMaker, the
option at present on these machines is to run one of the software
solutions that support Windows or Windows apps:

<http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/>

<http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/>

<http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/>

Finally, Peter Gold's point about dual-boot Macs only applies to older
hardware models. I forget when the last dual-boot Mac was dropped, but
you should be able to find out here:

<http://www.apple-history.com/>

Fwiw, I have a 2000-vintage Cube that is dual boot, and a 2004-vintage
G4 that is not, so it was sometime between those years.

-- 
Steve

RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

**
Ann Zdunczyk
President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Language Layout  Translation Consulting
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.
  
-Michael

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:03 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

**
Ann Zdunczyk
President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Language Layout  Translation Consulting
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com
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OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

**
Ann Zdunczyk
President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Language Layout & Translation Consulting
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com
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OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241

Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.

-Michael

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+moneill=meta-comm@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+moneill=meta-comm.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:03 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

**
Ann Zdunczyk
President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Language Layout & Translation Consulting
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com
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