RE: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Steve

I wonder if the frame is 1 point in height and width - that is, empty and 
shrinkwrapped. If you can select the anchor, can you do Esc,s,a to open the
frame properties dialog box? If so, what happens if you change the dimensions 
to something that should be visible?

Another thing: is the frame in its own anchor paragraph? If so, is the line 
height set to Fixed in the paragraph designer?

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: November 30, 2009 3:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

FrameMaker 7.0 in Classic on OS X 10.4.11.

In twenty years I've never seen this. In the book I'm working on one chapter 
has many anchored frames and a few tables. While adjusting these to
optimize the pagination, I've cut and pasted anchored frames only to have them 
not display. The anchor is there and can be searched for, but the frame
is invisible: it's as if it's gone behind another frame or table. Frame 
contents are PDF files imported by reference.

the only unusual thing about this book is that the source files were brought in 
from Word via RTF, but MIF-washing does not seem to affect this issue.
This is by far the most serious bug I've ever come across in what is otherwise 
and outstandingly reliable product. My question: has anyone else seen
this behaviour, and if so, do you know the cause and a fix?

-- 
Steve Rickaby   http://www.wordmongers.com
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Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Steve

I wonder if the frame is 1 point in height and width - that is, empty and 
shrinkwrapped. If you can select the anchor, can you do Esc,s,a to open the
frame properties dialog box? If so, what happens if you change the dimensions 
to something that should be visible?

Another thing: is the frame in its own anchor paragraph? If so, is the line 
height set to Fixed in the paragraph designer?

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: November 30, 2009 3:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

FrameMaker 7.0 in Classic on OS X 10.4.11.

In twenty years I've never seen this. In the book I'm working on one chapter 
has many anchored frames and a few tables. While adjusting these to
optimize the pagination, I've cut and pasted anchored frames only to have them 
not display. The anchor is there and can be searched for, but the frame
is invisible: it's as if it's gone behind another frame or table. Frame 
contents are PDF files imported by reference.

the only unusual thing about this book is that the source files were brought in 
from Word via RTF, but MIF-washing does not seem to affect this issue.
This is by far the most serious bug I've ever come across in what is otherwise 
and outstandingly reliable product. My question: has anyone else seen
this behaviour, and if so, do you know the cause and a fix?

-- 
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RE: TOC causing PDF to fail

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello Ellen

It would help to have more information, such as:

How are you creating the PDF? Print to Adobe PDF? Save Book As? Print to File?
Do you see a Distiller error? If so, what does it say?
What do you mean by fails? No PDF created?
Does Distiller get up to a certain page and then stop?
Is there a Distiller .log file? If so, what does it say?
Does the ToC contain .eps graphics? (these can sometimes cause distillation to 
stop).
Are there any missing fonts messages?

Regards

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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Sent: October 23, 2009 9:17 PM
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Subject: TOC causing PDF to fail

My writer is using FM 8.0 on a Windows machine. 

Can anyone cite a reason why a PDF of a book would fail with the TOC in
place, but work fine when the TOC is removed (and successfully process
the TOC into a PDF separately). Thanks for your help.

Ellen

 

 

 

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TOC causing PDF to fail

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello Ellen

It would help to have more information, such as:

How are you creating the PDF? Print to Adobe PDF? Save Book As? Print to File?
Do you see a Distiller error? If so, what does it say?
What do you mean by "fails"? No PDF created?
Does Distiller get up to a certain page and then stop?
Is there a Distiller .log file? If so, what does it say?
Does the ToC contain .eps graphics? (these can sometimes cause distillation to 
stop).
Are there any missing fonts messages?

Regards

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lidington, Ellen L
Sent: October 23, 2009 9:17 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TOC causing PDF to fail

My writer is using FM 8.0 on a Windows machine. 

Can anyone cite a reason why a PDF of a book would fail with the TOC in
place, but work fine when the TOC is removed (and successfully process
the TOC into a PDF separately). Thanks for your help.

Ellen







Ellen Lidington 
Documentation Lead

Ingenix

950 Winter Street, Suite 3800, Waltham, MA 02451

Direct Line: 781-419-8414; Fax: 781-895-9951

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RE: Find text Apply tag

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Avraham

To apply the character format:
1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit-Copy Special-Character format.
3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field, select 
By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
previously.

As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would agree 
that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
don't think you can automate it.

No idea about Rick's script, but I expect he will chime in.

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: October 22, 2009 11:17 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Find text Apply tag

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

- avi
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RE: Find text Apply tag

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

I agree that a variable is the way to go. When Acme changes to Nadir, you'll be 
able to make the switch very quickly. Screenshots, however, will take
longer. 8^)

Roger

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: October 22, 2009 1:19 PM
To: 'Avraham Makeler'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Find text Apply tag

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example. 
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed. 
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create. 
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer. 
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard. 
9. Click Find Next. 
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next. 
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable. 
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done. 

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


sharon

Sharon Burton
MadCap Software Product Consultant
Managing your content, one topic at a time
www.anthrobytes.com
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IM: sharonvbur...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find text Apply tag

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




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Find Apply

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Avraham

To apply the character format:
1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit->Copy Special->Character format.
3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field, select 
By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
previously.

As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would agree 
that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
don't think you can automate it.

No idea about Rick's script, but I expect he will chime in.

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: October 22, 2009 11:17 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Find  Apply 

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

- avi
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Find Apply

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

I agree that a variable is the way to go. When Acme changes to Nadir, you'll be 
able to make the switch very quickly. Screenshots, however, will take
longer. 8^)

Roger

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: October 22, 2009 1:19 PM
To: 'Avraham Makeler'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Find  Apply 

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example. 
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed. 
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create. 
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer. 
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard. 
9. Click Find Next. 
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next. 
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable. 
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done. 

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


sharon

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Managing your content, one topic at a time
www.anthrobytes.com
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find  Apply 

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




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RE: FM 9 vs. InDesign

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Tina

Here is a summary that someone posted on the Framers list a few months back 
(with acknowledgments to the author):

Comparison of FrameMaker and InDesign
Generally, unless you are using heavy XML (InDesign does XML but not as 
advanced) or DITA (which ID does not support), it is a heated race. If you are
doing advanced XML or DITA, then FrameMaker is the way to go.

Frame's conditions are slightly more advanced in that they can be applied to 
table rows; ID's conditions can only be applied to the entire table.
Other condition features are similar.

ID's Indexing is slightly easier with use of it's topic list in the Index 
panel, but I believe that ID only allows one index per book.

ID supports advanced OpenType formatting (and OT fonts are cross-platform, so 
you could use ID on Windows).

As mentioned, ID is more sophisticated in the typography and layout departments.

ID has GREP find/change, GREP supported formatting, nested styles.

ID cannot span columns with subheads if working with a multi-column layouts, 
and does not have run-in heads.

InDesign's table styles are more complicated, but more advanced above Frame's. 
ID is more advanced when importing Excel files, plus ID can link to
Excel files for auto-updates. ID's table styles do not contain any geometry 
(size) information, but there is a plug-in available for that, and to not
generate automatic table titles as part of the table style.

Frame's variables are slightly more advanced, especially when concerning using 
character styles. (ID does not have the table continuation variable).

InDesign has a separate product called InCopy for allowing others to edit text 
while the InDesign file is being worked on. (InDesign can handle all
the text edits too.) InCopy can be used to generate new text, as can Word.

InDesign's PDF export functions are more advanced. (Current versions of CS3 and 
CS4 do not have a size issue with PDFs.)

This is not a complete comparison by any means, but should be enough (with the 
other posts) to form an opinion.

Some FrameMaker features have no exact ID counterparts; for example, run-in 
paragraphs and side headings. These are converted with whatever fudging is
necessary to visually match the FrameMaker layouts. If editing the converted 
documents causes text to reflow, you may need to give individual
attention to these simulated FrameMaker features.

Template design is non-trivial. If you have an existing FrameMaker template, it 
could save a lot of time to just continue using it.

There is a converter for MIF files to ID at: 
http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid.There is a comparison chart (not 
including FrameMaker 9.0)
at: http://www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/SelectingDTPprogram.pdf.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tina Ricks
Sent: October 21, 2009 2:22 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Can anyone point me to a thorough comparison list of features between FM9
and InDesign? I'm using Frame primarily for print books at a small
publisher, and using it because I know it and I'm familiar with it.

 

I currently use Frame 8, and I'm considering an upgrade to either Frame 9 or
InDesign.

 

I've read that InDesign CS4 recently added cross references. Does anyone
know how they compare to Frame's feature? Also, what about creating an index
in InDesign. What features does it have for dynamic indexing?

 

Thanks.

 

Tina Ricks | Managing Editor | Trial Guides

www.trialguides.com

 

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FM 9 vs. InDesign

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Tina

Here is a summary that someone posted on the Framers list a few months back 
(with acknowledgments to the author):

Comparison of FrameMaker and InDesign
Generally, unless you are using heavy XML (InDesign does XML but not as 
advanced) or DITA (which ID does not support), it is a heated race. If you are
doing advanced XML or DITA, then FrameMaker is the way to go.

Frame's conditions are slightly more advanced in that they can be applied to 
table rows; ID's conditions can only be applied to the entire table.
Other condition features are similar.

ID's Indexing is slightly easier with use of it's topic list in the Index 
panel, but I believe that ID only allows one index per book.

ID supports advanced OpenType formatting (and OT fonts are cross-platform, so 
you could use ID on Windows).

As mentioned, ID is more sophisticated in the typography and layout departments.

ID has GREP find/change, GREP supported formatting, nested styles.

ID cannot span columns with subheads if working with a multi-column layouts, 
and does not have run-in heads.

InDesign's table styles are more complicated, but more advanced above Frame's. 
ID is more advanced when importing Excel files, plus ID can link to
Excel files for auto-updates. ID's table styles do not contain any geometry 
(size) information, but there is a plug-in available for that, and to not
generate automatic table titles as part of the table style.

Frame's variables are slightly more advanced, especially when concerning using 
character styles. (ID does not have the table continuation variable).

InDesign has a separate product called InCopy for allowing others to edit text 
while the InDesign file is being worked on. (InDesign can handle all
the text edits too.) InCopy can be used to generate new text, as can Word.

InDesign's PDF export functions are more advanced. (Current versions of CS3 and 
CS4 do not have a size issue with PDFs.)

This is not a complete comparison by any means, but should be enough (with the 
other posts) to form an opinion.

Some FrameMaker features have no exact ID counterparts; for example, run-in 
paragraphs and side headings. These are converted with whatever fudging is
necessary to visually match the FrameMaker layouts. If editing the converted 
documents causes text to reflow, you may need to give individual
attention to these simulated FrameMaker features.

Template design is non-trivial. If you have an existing FrameMaker template, it 
could save a lot of time to just continue using it.

There is a converter for MIF files to ID at: 
http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid.There is a comparison chart (not 
including FrameMaker 9.0)
at: http://www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/SelectingDTPprogram.pdf.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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Sent: October 21, 2009 2:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Can anyone point me to a thorough comparison list of features between FM9
and InDesign? I'm using Frame primarily for print books at a small
publisher, and using it because I know it and I'm familiar with it.



I currently use Frame 8, and I'm considering an upgrade to either Frame 9 or
InDesign.



I've read that InDesign CS4 recently added cross references. Does anyone
know how they compare to Frame's feature? Also, what about creating an index
in InDesign. What features does it have for dynamic indexing?



Thanks.



Tina Ricks | Managing Editor | Trial Guides

www.trialguides.com



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RE: Best practice for anchoring frames outside text frame?

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi James

I think your combined requirement for (i) graphics outside the column and (ii) 
a caption is problematic, for the reasons that you mention. I would
consider dispensing with the caption altogether, as the graphic presumably 
illustrates precisely what is in the step and is somewhat redundant.

In the past I have used the following:
1. For larger graphics, such as dialog boxes, keep them in the main flow, with 
an autonumbered caption. This is easily maintained.
2. For small graphics, keep them also in the main flow, but set to Run into 
Paragraph, on the right, with no caption. The step text will run around
them. They have to be pretty small...for example, a small section of the screen 
showing the control in question.

Of course, it depends on your page layout and the type of documentation you are 
creating. For example the type of arrangement you describe may be
suited to a quick-reference guide. In that case, I'd be tempted to forget the 
caption and use your first option.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of James Dyson
Sent: October 19, 2009 10:28 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Best practice for anchoring frames outside text frame?

Good morning. I'm hoping your collective experience can help us decide
the best way to handle this. I'd be happy to send a short sample to
anyone willing to view this. Goal: Steps that need a graphic will have
an anchored graphic positioned at right of that step, using as little
manual adjustment as possible.

 

* Approach #1 - One text column is used. Graphics are anchored
outside text box. Within the anchored frame, a text box is nested, where
an auto-number format for figure numbers is used.

o   Pros - Graphics flow stay with step during pagination changes, etc.

o   Cons - Almost always requires manual adjustment for vertical spacing
when multiple graphics/frames are on the same page. The graphic must be
manually aligned within the frame to account for adding the text box
(with figure # label).

*  Approach #2 - Two text columns are used; one is for the body
of the document, and the other is only for the figures and their
graphics.

o   Pros - Vertical spacing is nearly automatic. No text box within the
anchored frame is needed.

o   Cons - No true link between steps and their graphics. Must designate
the 'figure' paragraph style or the 'figuretopofpage' style to get the
right pictures on the page.

 

Thanks,

 

James Dyson

Technical Writer

KVH Industries, Inc.

50 Enterprise Center | Middletown, RI 02842

Direct Tel: +1.401.845.2416

Tel: +1.401.847.3327 | Fax: +1.401.849.0045

jdy...@kvh.com

http://www.kvh.com http://www.kvh.com/ 

 

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Best practice for anchoring frames outside text frame?

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi James

I think your combined requirement for (i) graphics outside the column and (ii) 
a caption is problematic, for the reasons that you mention. I would
consider dispensing with the caption altogether, as the graphic presumably 
illustrates precisely what is in the step and is somewhat redundant.

In the past I have used the following:
1. For larger graphics, such as dialog boxes, keep them in the main flow, with 
an autonumbered caption. This is easily maintained.
2. For small graphics, keep them also in the main flow, but set to Run into 
Paragraph, on the right, with no caption. The step text will run around
them. They have to be pretty small...for example, a small section of the screen 
showing the control in question.

Of course, it depends on your page layout and the type of documentation you are 
creating. For example the type of arrangement you describe may be
suited to a quick-reference guide. In that case, I'd be tempted to forget the 
caption and use your first option.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of James Dyson
Sent: October 19, 2009 10:28 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Best practice for anchoring frames outside text frame?

Good morning. I'm hoping your collective experience can help us decide
the best way to handle this. I'd be happy to send a short sample to
anyone willing to view this. Goal: Steps that need a graphic will have
an anchored graphic positioned at right of that step, using as little
manual adjustment as possible.



* Approach #1 - One text column is used. Graphics are anchored
outside text box. Within the anchored frame, a text box is nested, where
an auto-number format for figure numbers is used.

o   Pros - Graphics flow stay with step during pagination changes, etc.

o   Cons - Almost always requires manual adjustment for vertical spacing
when multiple graphics/frames are on the same page. The graphic must be
manually aligned within the frame to account for adding the text box
(with figure # label).

*  Approach #2 - Two text columns are used; one is for the body
of the document, and the other is only for the figures and their
graphics.

o   Pros - Vertical spacing is nearly automatic. No text box within the
anchored frame is needed.

o   Cons - No true link between steps and their graphics. Must designate
the 'figure' paragraph style or the 'figuretopofpage' style to get the
right pictures on the page.



Thanks,



James Dyson

Technical Writer

KVH Industries, Inc.

50 Enterprise Center | Middletown, RI 02842

Direct Tel: +1.401.845.2416

Tel: +1.401.847.3327 | Fax: +1.401.849.0045

jdyson at kvh.com

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RE: Framemaker installed under Administrator

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Sounds like another of those Intel inside, Idiots outside people that I came 
across in an IT department some years ago. I'd be tempted to tell him
to sort it out himself.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott White
Sent: October 16, 2009 3:40 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: FrameUsers List; O'Laoghaire Micheal
Subject: Re: Framemaker installed under Administrator

Ok I just got off the phone with this guy. He doesn't like my suggestions, 
Art's suggestion or anyone else's.
He wants to control what gets installed and downloaded on a machine so he wants 
to do all installs and downloads as administrator rights. He doesn't
want to give this person administrator rights to run the software in fear this 
person will download other things.
He installed photoshop and InDesign under these rules and they will open up for 
the user rights. It's just Frame that won't. He wants me to get with
Adobe and have them fix this or get answers to his problem.

He just sent me a log dissertation on why windows administrators must do what 
they are doing -- make everything tighter than bark on a tree.

Any other help appreciated.



Scott White
Media Production  EBC Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swh...@alamark.com


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[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Sounds like another of those "Intel inside, Idiots outside" people that I came 
across in an IT department some years ago. I'd be tempted to tell him
to sort it out himself.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott White
Sent: October 16, 2009 3:40 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: FrameUsers List; O'Laoghaire Micheal
Subject: Re: Framemaker installed under Administrator

Ok I just got off the phone with this guy. He doesn't like my suggestions, 
Art's suggestion or anyone else's.
He wants to control what gets installed and downloaded on a machine so he wants 
to do all installs and downloads as administrator rights. He doesn't
want to give this person administrator rights to run the software in fear this 
person will download other things.
He installed photoshop and InDesign under these rules and they will open up for 
the user rights. It's just Frame that won't. He wants me to get with
Adobe and have them fix this or get answers to his problem.

He just sent me a log dissertation on why windows administrators must do what 
they are doing -- make everything tighter than bark on a tree.

Any other help appreciated.



Scott White
Media Production & EBC Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com

RE: Creating right tab with leader consisting of unbroken (mid) line [resend]

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Michael

Another manual method, perhaps easier than the one you describe, is:
1. Select the line of text.
2. Hold down Alt and user the left arrow key to move the whole line to the left 
until the space is taken up.
 
You could perhaps semi-automate this by doing a find for that particular 
paragraph tag. However, that would select the whole para, and you only want
to move the first line.

Caveat: You can't assume that what you see on screen is what will appear in 
print. Check the DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics setting in the maker.ini file,
and ensure it is set to on. Even if it is, you need to check that the line 
prints as you expect. 

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kerrisk
Sent: September 30, 2009 10:56 PM
To: Art Campbell; l_c_smal...@yahoo.com; Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Creating right tab with leader consisting of unbroken (mid) line 
[resend]

Hi Art, Les, and all,

Winfried off list also pointed out to me how the way to use em-dash or
en-dash here.

This solution is nearly good enough, There is one small problem: the
resulting leader does not quite begin at the left margin. I suppose
that this is because a whole number of dashes doesn't exactly fit to
the flow width, so there is a little space left over at the start of
the line. I found a solution for this, but it is not optimal: place a
stretched em-dash at the start of the line (i.e., before the tab that
creates the leader). I say that this is not optimal because it will
require additional manual work, and there are hundreds of cases. Is
there a better way of ensuring that the leader starts flush with the
left margin?

Cheers,

Michael


On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:
 On FM 8, I can set an m-dash as the leading character for a right tab
 by inserting it in text and copy-and-pasting it into the Leading
 character field (or use Lester's character string). If the m-dashes
 don't connect, it'll be more complicated, but not bad. On the Font tab
 for the paragraph, set the spread to -20% to eliminate the gaps.

 This creates a problem though -- it'll also squish the text characters.

 To fix this, create a new character tag that has all properties set to
 As Is except the Spread -- which you leave at 0. Apply it to the text
 in your leading tag, and it should revert the text to normal
 appearance. You may be able to automate this using the Autonumbering
 tab to set the character tag -- I didn't test that part of it.

 Art

 Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
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 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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                                                               DoD 358



 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Michael Kerrisk
 michael.kerr...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I have a simple question (I think). I Would like to create a visual
 effect (that will be repeatedly used) where a some text on a line is
 tabbed to the right margin, and preceded by an unbroken line that sits
 at the mid-level of the characters in the text. Roughly it would look
 like this:

  -- mytext

 where the final t falls at the right margin. The idea is that the
 line should be unbroken (unlike my ASCII line above), as one might get
 by splicing together a series of en- or em-dashes.

 I can get something close to this effect using a Right Tab, and
 specifying the leader character as underscore (_):

   mytext

 But the problem is that the line falls at the bottom on the
 characters, when I want it in the middle.

 I don't seem to be able to specify an en- or em-dash as the leader
 character for the tab. But perhaps I missed something. Is this
 possible (and will it produce the result I want)? Failing that, is
 there another way of achieving the kind of effect I'm describing?

 I am using FrameMaker 7.2. (If what I'm wanting to do is possible only
 in a later version of FrameMaker, that would be interesting to know.)

 Thanks,

 Michael
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Creating right tab with leader consisting of unbroken (mid) line [resend]

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Michael

Another manual method, perhaps easier than the one you describe, is:
1. Select the line of text.
2. Hold down Alt and user the left arrow key to move the whole line to the left 
until the space is taken up.

You could perhaps semi-automate this by doing a find for that particular 
paragraph tag. However, that would select the whole para, and you only want
to move the first line.

Caveat: You can't assume that what you see on screen is what will appear in 
print. Check the DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics setting in the maker.ini file,
and ensure it is set to on. Even if it is, you need to check that the line 
prints as you expect. 

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kerrisk
Sent: September 30, 2009 10:56 PM
To: Art Campbell; l_c_smalley at yahoo.com; Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Creating right tab with leader consisting of unbroken (mid) line 
[resend]

Hi Art, Les, and all,

Winfried off list also pointed out to me how the way to use em-dash or
en-dash here.

This solution is nearly good enough, There is one small problem: the
resulting leader does not quite begin at the left margin. I suppose
that this is because a whole number of dashes doesn't exactly fit to
the flow width, so there is a little space left over at the start of
the line. I found a solution for this, but it is not optimal: place a
stretched em-dash at the start of the line (i.e., before the tab that
creates the leader). I say that this is not optimal because it will
require additional manual work, and there are hundreds of cases. Is
there a better way of ensuring that the leader starts flush with the
left margin?

Cheers,

Michael


On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> On FM 8, I can set an m-dash as the leading character for a right tab
> by inserting it in text and copy-and-pasting it into the Leading
> character field (or use Lester's character string). If the m-dashes
> don't connect, it'll be more complicated, but not bad. On the Font tab
> for the paragraph, set the spread to -20% to eliminate the gaps.
>
> This creates a problem though -- it'll also squish the text characters.
>
> To fix this, create a new character tag that has all properties set to
> As Is except the Spread -- which you leave at 0. Apply it to the text
> in your leading tag, and it should revert the text to normal
> appearance. You may be able to automate this using the Autonumbering
> tab to set the character tag -- I didn't test that part of it.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Michael Kerrisk
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a simple question (I think). I Would like to create a visual
>> effect (that will be repeatedly used) where a some text on a line is
>> tabbed to the right margin, and preceded by an unbroken line that sits
>> at the mid-level of the characters in the text. Roughly it would look
>> like this:
>>
>> ?-- mytext
>>
>> where the final "t" falls at the right margin. The idea is that the
>> line should be unbroken (unlike my ASCII line above), as one might get
>> by splicing together a series of en- or em-dashes.
>>
>> I can get something close to this effect using a Right Tab, and
>> specifying the leader character as underscore (_):
>>
>> ? mytext
>>
>> But the problem is that the line falls at the bottom on the
>> characters, when I want it in the middle.
>>
>> I don't seem to be able to specify an en- or em-dash as the leader
>> character for the tab. But perhaps I missed something. Is this
>> possible (and will it produce the result I want)? Failing that, is
>> there another way of achieving the kind of effect I'm describing?
>>
>> I am using FrameMaker 7.2. (If what I'm wanting to do is possible only
>> in a later version of FrameMaker, that would be interesting to know.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael
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RE: Graphical format for conversion to Eclipse Help

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Mathieu

I have used PNG for graphics in Eclipse Help and other forms of Help with no 
problems.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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Subject: Graphical format for conversion to Eclipse Help


Dear Framers,

is there a specific graphical format to respect when developing a non 
structured doc in FrameMaker (7.2 on XP) with a view to converting it later to
Eclipse Help (or any other HTML help by the way). I am saving my screenshots as 
.png. Will it be ok for the conversion?

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Graphical format for conversion to Eclipse Help

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Mathieu

I have used PNG for graphics in Eclipse Help and other forms of Help with no 
problems.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Graphical format for conversion to Eclipse Help


Dear Framers,

is there a specific graphical format to respect when developing a non 
structured doc in FrameMaker (7.2 on XP) with a view to converting it later to
Eclipse Help (or any other HTML help by the way). I am saving my screenshots as 
.png. Will it be ok for the conversion?

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Index of Scripture References

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Hello All

 

I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 
3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of
the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, 
but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books
start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a 
number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians).

 

My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been 
playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order
($numerics, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker 
itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in
published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any 
ideas? I'm using FM 7.1.

 

Thanks.

 

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Index of Scripture References

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Hello All



I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 
3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of
the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, 
but this presents problems for the sort order. Some widely spaced books
start with the same letter (e.g. Ruth and Romans), while others start with a 
number (e.g. 1 Samuel, 2 Corinthians).



My assumption is to use an index of markers. On the reference page I've been 
playing with the group titles (removed 'em) and the Sort Order
(<$numerics>, etc.). I've also tried setting the sort order within the marker 
itself using the [aaa] idea. However, no progress. I see such indexes in
published books and can't imagine they are created and maintained by hand. Any 
ideas? I'm using FM 7.1.



Thanks.



Roger Shuttleworth

London, Canada

RE: How to create a custom alert

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Carol

Adding to answers already received:

If you get Auto-Text from Silicon Prairie Software 
(www.siliconprairiesoftware.com), you can create the table once and store it on 
a reference page.
Then a keystroke will insert it at the right place.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Ontario


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: June 8, 2009 5:24 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How to create a custom alert 

I'm looking for a way to create an alert message (Danger, Caution, 
etc.) that avoids having to make the whole thing a graphic. I have a 
manual with a zillion of these. They are rectangular with rounded 
corners; the width is constant and the height will vary according to 
message content. There is a red or yellow bar across the top 
containing the word DANGER or CAUTION (there is no symbol, just 
text). The area below that bar contains one of about 50 messages. 
They are all different. I would like to be able to add text to that 
area, while keeping the surrounding rectangular shape and its 
DANGER/CAUTION text constant. If it weren't for the rounded corners, 
I could do this easily with a two-celled table.

Does anyone know of a plug-in or workaround to easily handle these 
kind of alert messages? I'm using Frame 7 on Win2K.

Carol

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How to create a custom alert

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Carol

Adding to answers already received:

If you get Auto-Text from Silicon Prairie Software 
(www.siliconprairiesoftware.com), you can create the table once and store it on 
a reference page.
Then a keystroke will insert it at the right place.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Ontario


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: June 8, 2009 5:24 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How to create a custom alert 

I'm looking for a way to create an alert message (Danger, Caution, 
etc.) that avoids having to make the whole thing a graphic. I have a 
manual with a zillion of these. They are rectangular with rounded 
corners; the width is constant and the height will vary according to 
message content. There is a red or yellow bar across the top 
containing the word DANGER or CAUTION (there is no symbol, just 
text). The area below that bar contains one of about 50 messages. 
They are all different. I would like to be able to add text to that 
area, while keeping the surrounding rectangular shape and its 
DANGER/CAUTION text constant. If it weren't for the rounded corners, 
I could do this easily with a two-celled table.

Does anyone know of a plug-in or workaround to easily handle these 
kind of alert messages? I'm using Frame 7 on Win2K.

Carol

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Print Book-PDF Setup Drops Bookmarks

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Aargh! That works in FM7.x too!

Aargh!!

AARGH!!!

(I feel better now. All those clicks over the years...)

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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Sent: June 8, 2009 2:21 PM
To: 'Matt Sullivan'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Print Book-PDF Setup Drops Bookmarks

If you press the Shift key and click the arrow button, it will move all of
the tags to the other field at once.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
rick at frameexpert.com
585-659-8267





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Autonumbering restarting at 1 with multiple text flows

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All

 

I wonder if anyone has seen this. Using Frame 7.1p116 on XP SP3.

 

Kevin Hunter posted a question yesterday:

 

quote

I have a document with two flows, A  B, in parallel on a page. In flow A, my 
numbered lists sequence fine. It is set to AutoConnect. With flow B,
which appears to be identically set up, my numbered lists restart on every 
page. I've tried adjusting the master page, the frames individually,
auto-connect on and off, and nothing seems to work. From the guide and a few 
pages out there on Google, it would appear that those are the only
variables I should have to worry about.

\quote

 

Being of an obsessive nature, I decided to try to reproduce what he found. So, 
borrowing his doc to see how it was set up, I did the following:

 

1.   Create two custom, single-sided docs, AB.fm and AC.fm.

2.   In AB.fm:

a.   On the master page, make the default text frame (flow A) narrower and 
on the left, and add a new background text frame on the right for flow
B. Both text frames have Autoconnect switched on.

b.  Set the Body paragraph format to an autonumbered format.

3.   In AC.fm:

a.   Create a similar page layout (two text flows) to the one in AB.fm, but 
call the one on the right C instead of B. Autoconnect is on for both
flows.

b.  Leave the Body paragraph format as not numbered.

 

All subsequent work is done in AB.fm...

 

4.   In AB.fm, import page layouts (only) from AC.fm. The C frame (on the 
right) is in a similar position to the original B frame. After
importing, the C frame overlaps the B frame and pushes it to the right. 
*Curious.*

5.   Click in the C frame. Note that the Body paragraph format in not 
numbered - i.e. it is the same as it was in AC.fm. *I'd be interested to
know whether that is the expected result!*

6.   Click in the B frame. Note that the Body paragraph is numbered. We 
have two formats called Body but they are different.

7.   Add numbered paragraphs to all three flows so that a new page is 
created and the numbers flow to the next page. The doc is now two pages long
and all three text frames extend to the second page.

8.   Delete the flow B text frame on the second (last) body page. A message 
pops up saying that Frame will quite likely create a new page to
accommodate the content you are deleting. Sure enough, a third page is added 
that has the three text frames.

9.   Go back to page 2. Note that the numbering in flow A has recommenced 
at 1, while page 3 continues the numbering from page 1.

 

I realise that this may qualify as abuse! But there seems to be some 
strangeness going on. Either way, it explains what Kevin was finding. (He says
there's been a lot of importing of formats in the past...)

 

Any thoughts??

 

Roger Shuttleworth

London, Canada

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Autonumbering restarting at 1 with multiple text flows

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All



I wonder if anyone has seen this. Using Frame 7.1p116 on XP SP3.



Kevin Hunter posted a question yesterday:





I have a document with two flows, A & B, in parallel on a page. In flow A, my 
numbered lists sequence fine. It is set to AutoConnect. With flow B,
which appears to be identically set up, my numbered lists restart on every 
page. I've tried adjusting the master page, the frames individually,
auto-connect on and off, and nothing seems to work. From the guide and a few 
pages out there on Google, it would appear that those are the only
variables I should have to worry about.

<\quote>



Being of an obsessive nature, I decided to try to reproduce what he found. So, 
borrowing his doc to see how it was set up, I did the following:



1.   Create two custom, single-sided docs, AB.fm and AC.fm.

2.   In AB.fm:

a.   On the master page, make the default text frame (flow A) narrower and 
on the left, and add a new background text frame on the right for flow
B. Both text frames have Autoconnect switched on.

b.  Set the Body paragraph format to an autonumbered format.

3.   In AC.fm:

a.   Create a similar page layout (two text flows) to the one in AB.fm, but 
call the one on the right C instead of B. Autoconnect is on for both
flows.

b.  Leave the Body paragraph format as not numbered.



All subsequent work is done in AB.fm...



4.   In AB.fm, import page layouts (only) from AC.fm. The C frame (on the 
right) is in a similar position to the original B frame. After
importing, the C frame overlaps the B frame and pushes it to the right. 
*Curious.*

5.   Click in the C frame. Note that the Body paragraph format in not 
numbered - i.e. it is the same as it was in AC.fm. *I'd be interested to
know whether that is the expected result!*

6.   Click in the B frame. Note that the Body paragraph is numbered. We 
have two formats called Body but they are different.

7.   Add numbered paragraphs to all three flows so that a new page is 
created and the numbers flow to the next page. The doc is now two pages long
and all three text frames extend to the second page.

8.   Delete the flow B text frame on the second (last) body page. A message 
pops up saying that Frame will quite likely create a new page to
accommodate the content you are deleting. Sure enough, a third page is added 
that has the three text frames.

9.   Go back to page 2. Note that the numbering in flow A has recommenced 
at 1, while page 3 continues the numbering from page 1.



I realise that this may qualify as abuse! But there seems to be some 
strangeness going on. Either way, it explains what Kevin was finding. (He says
there's been a lot of importing of formats in the past...)



Any thoughts??



Roger Shuttleworth

London, Canada

RE: Omega symbol becomes W in pdf

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Heh, reminds me of the IT department of the hospital where I used to work. They 
had a sign on the door that read Intel inside, Idiots outside. Time
proved that...well...it wasn't exactly true.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: March 18, 2009 11:00 AM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Omega symbol becomes W in pdf

Speaking of logical things, at my very first tech writing job, as I set 
off on this long, winding, and slightly peculiar road, my boss told a 
story about an engineer who was tired of being interrupted in his very 
own patch of cube land.

So, he stretched a string across the opening of his cube and hung a sign 
that said Logical Door.

Nobody bothered him.

Now, he was in the engineering department, and thus surrounded by fellow 
geek soulmates. Someone like me, however, would probably have 
interrupted him to ask what it meant . . . .

OK, back to work.

--Nancy

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Omega symbol becomes W in pdf

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Heh, reminds me of the IT department of the hospital where I used to work. They 
had a sign on the door that read "Intel inside, Idiots outside". Time
proved that...well...it wasn't exactly true.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: March 18, 2009 11:00 AM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Omega symbol becomes W in pdf

Speaking of logical things, at my very first tech writing job, as I set 
off on this long, winding, and slightly peculiar road, my boss told a 
story about an engineer who was tired of being interrupted in his very 
own patch of cube land.

So, he stretched a string across the opening of his cube and hung a sign 
that said "Logical Door."

Nobody bothered him.

Now, he was in the engineering department, and thus surrounded by fellow 
geek soulmates. Someone like me, however, would probably have 
interrupted him to ask what it meant . . . .

OK, back to work.

--Nancy

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RE: Elementary Autonumber Question

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello John(?)

Basically, what you have is this:

M: - a series label that identifies this numbering scheme and distinguishes 
it from all other numbering schemes. You can have dozens of numbering
schemes in a doc, but in practice one or two usually suffices.

Fig. - literal text that will appear in the autonumbered paragraphs as Fig. .

$chapnum - the number of the chapter within the book. This is usually set 
through the book numbering properties. With the book active, right-click a
chapter and choose Numbering, then Chapter.

\+ - a non-breaking hyphen. See, in your FM user guide or help, the section 
Typing in Dialog Boxes for an explanation of these codes. This chapter
is your friend.

  n+ - placeholders for three different autonumbered items. The first two 
  items refer to something other than figures (perhaps tables or
something else). The   code maintains the autonumber value at its present 
value, without incrementing it. It also means, don't display this number
in this paragraph. So when you use the Caption paragraph, it does not 
increment these values, and neither does it display them. The n+ code, on the
other hand, represents your actual caption number. It increments it by 1 and 
displays it. If you look at your other paragraph formats, you'll find one
that uses M:n+   or similar, and one that uses M: n+  or similar. 
These formats control the numbering of the other items in the series.

: - a literal colon, that will appear in the numbered paragraph.

\  - a backslash followed by a space, which is the code for a non-breaking 
space (see the Typing in Dialog Boxes chapter that I mentioned earlier).

So your caption will appear as Fig. 1: The title of the figure

I'll send you separately a document that explains FM autonumbering. If you read 
it a couple of times (at least, it took me a couple of times!) all
will become clear. It was written for FM5.5 so is a bit out of date; 5.5 did 
not support the $chapnum variable.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of jdela...@comcast.net
Sent: March 17, 2009 9:18 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Elementary Autonumber Question



I inherited some files with autonumbering for a Caption style like this: M:Fig. 
$chapnum\+  n+:\  , which results in displayed text such as
this: Fig. 3-1: 

But the spec calls for the result to be Fig. 3.1: 

I'm not sure from the Help file what the angle brackets do, but I can't seem to 
get that . in place of a -. 

A little help?  And thanks in advance. 
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Elementary Autonumber Question

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello John(?)

Basically, what you have is this:

M: - a "series label" that identifies this numbering scheme and distinguishes 
it from all other numbering schemes. You can have dozens of numbering
schemes in a doc, but in practice one or two usually suffices.

Fig. - literal text that will appear in the autonumbered paragraphs as "Fig. ".

<$chapnum> - the number of the chapter within the book. This is usually set 
through the book numbering properties. With the book active, right-click a
chapter and choose Numbering, then Chapter.

\+ - a non-breaking hyphen. See, in your FM user guide or help, the section 
"Typing in Dialog Boxes" for an explanation of these codes. This chapter
is your friend.

< >< > - placeholders for three different autonumbered items. The first two 
< > items refer to something other than figures (perhaps tables or
something else). The < > code maintains the autonumber value at its present 
value, without incrementing it. It also means, "don't display this number
in this paragraph". So when you use the Caption paragraph, it does not 
increment these values, and neither does it display them. The  code, on the
other hand, represents your actual caption number. It increments it by 1 and 
displays it. If you look at your other paragraph formats, you'll find one
that uses M:< >< > or similar, and one that uses M:< >< > or similar. 
These formats control the numbering of the other items in the series.

: - a literal colon, that will appear in the numbered paragraph.

\  - a backslash followed by a space, which is the code for a non-breaking 
space (see the "Typing in Dialog Boxes" chapter that I mentioned earlier).

So your caption will appear as Fig. 1: The title of the figure

I'll send you separately a document that explains FM autonumbering. If you read 
it a couple of times (at least, it took me a couple of times!) all
will become clear. It was written for FM5.5 so is a bit out of date; 5.5 did 
not support the <$chapnum> variable.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Elementary Autonumber Question



I inherited some files with autonumbering for a Caption style like this: M:Fig. 
<$chapnum>\+< >< >:\? , which results in displayed text such as
this: Fig. 3-1: 

But the spec calls for the result to be Fig. 3.1: 

I'm not sure from the Help file what the angle brackets do, but I can't seem to 
get that "." in place of a "-". 

A little help?? And thanks in advance. 
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RE: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Thanks for your help.

I can save other PDFs without a problem.
My Acrobat version is Acrobat Pro 7.1.0.
The Application was AppleWorks. The PDF Producer is Mac OSX 10.3.9 Quartz 
PdfContext according to the Document Properties window. There seems to be
nothing else interesting in the metadata, and no security applied.

Roger

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From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: March 10, 2009 12:47 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: Shuttleworth, Roger; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

 I have  a PDF that was created using Mac OSX 10.3.9. It displays fine on my 
 Windows XP SP3 machine, but I cannot extract the text and create a Word
 doc. When I try Save As, I get nothing produced except an error:



 Bad PDF; could not read page structure. Bad PDF; error in processing fonts: 
 cannot find CMAP resource file [33]

If the PDF was made using Mac's Preview application, this could be the problem;
check document info for Creator.

If you get the same error when trying to Save As with all documents,
the Acrobat installation may be corrupted.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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RE: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Wow, that was worth a try! However...

I reprinted the PDF to the Adobe PDF printer. No problems. The file displays OK.

I tried Save As RTF from the redistilled version and got an informative message:

Acrobat was able to make this document accessible but found the following 
oddities:

Some font(s) missing information needed to determine the characters that 
correspond to the symbols (glyphs) in the font. [90 of 90 glyphs (Apple
Chancery)]

[I wonder what accessible means in this context? I'm none too familiar with 
Accessibility settings, but when I tried a Full Check it said, All of
the text in this document lacks a language specification. But perhaps I'm 
barking up the wrong tree here.]

Apple Chancery is indeed an embedded subset in the original PDF.
The resultant RTF is rather interesting but of no use to me. It consists of all 
caps, and a sample appears below:
___'YYUIOGZK_SKSHKXY_YNGRR_HK_SKSHKXY_UL_ZNK_V[HROI_UX_;=5_LGI[RZ___]NU_NG\K_ 
GT_OTZKXKYZ_OT_GZZKTJOTM_')+_SKKZOTMY_GTJ_VXUMXGSY_

Saving as text produces similar all-cap text.

It's beginning to look as though I'll have to retype the doc...the original 
source doc is lost (not by me, I might add!).

Roger



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From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: March 10, 2009 1:08 PM
To: Shuttleworth, Roger
Cc: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

Have you tried:

* Copy/Paste
* Printing to PDF from Acrobat Pro, then trying to extract text by Save As?

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Shuttleworth, Roger
roger_shuttlewo...@tvworks.com wrote:
 Thanks for your help.

 I can save other PDFs without a problem.
 My Acrobat version is Acrobat Pro 7.1.0.
 The Application was AppleWorks. The PDF Producer is Mac OSX 10.3.9 Quartz 
 PdfContext according to the Document Properties window. There seems to be
 nothing else interesting in the metadata, and no security applied.

 Roger

 -Original Message-
 From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter 
 Gold
 Sent: March 10, 2009 12:47 PM
 To: Art Campbell
 Cc: Shuttleworth, Roger; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

 I have  a PDF that was created using Mac OSX 10.3.9. It displays fine on my 
 Windows XP SP3 machine, but I cannot extract the text and create a
Word
 doc. When I try Save As, I get nothing produced except an error:



 Bad PDF; could not read page structure. Bad PDF; error in processing 
 fonts: cannot find CMAP resource file [33]

 If the PDF was made using Mac's Preview application, this could be the 
 problem;
 check document info for Creator.

 If you get the same error when trying to Save As with all documents,
 the Acrobat installation may be corrupted.

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OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Please forgive the OT post, but I'm hoping some of the PDF gurus on the list 
may be able to help.



I have  a PDF that was created using Mac OSX 10.3.9. It displays fine on my 
Windows XP SP3 machine, but I cannot extract the text and create a Word
doc. When I try Save As, I get nothing produced except an error:



Bad PDF; could not read page structure.  [33]



The same error occurs saving as RTF, Word doc, HTML, or text. Actually saving 
as text creates a file that consists of periods only.



If I try to select text, copy and paste into Word, I get a series of question 
marks. I guess it's a font thing. The PDF has no security applied.



I googled the error, but no help.



Thanks.



Roger Shuttleworth

London, Canada

OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Wow, that was worth a try! However...

I reprinted the PDF to the Adobe PDF printer. No problems. The file displays OK.

I tried Save As RTF from the redistilled version and got an informative message:

"Acrobat was able to make this document accessible but found the following 
oddities:

Some font(s) missing information needed to determine the characters that 
correspond to the symbols (glyphs) in the font. [90 of 90 glyphs (Apple
Chancery)]"

[I wonder what "accessible" means in this context? I'm none too familiar with 
Accessibility settings, but when I tried a Full Check it said, "All of
the text in this document lacks a language specification." But perhaps I'm 
barking up the wrong tree here.]

Apple Chancery is indeed an embedded subset in the original PDF.
The resultant RTF is rather interesting but of no use to me. It consists of all 
caps, and a sample appears below:
___'YYUIOGZK_SKSHKXY_YNGRR_HK_SKSHKXY_UL_ZNK_V[HROI_UX_;=5_LGI[RZ___]NU_NG\K_ 
GT_OTZKXKYZ_OT_GZZKTJOTM_')+_SKKZOTMY_GTJ_VXUMXGSY_

Saving as text produces similar all-cap text.

It's beginning to look as though I'll have to retype the doc...the original 
source doc is lost (not by me, I might add!).

Roger



-Original Message-
From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter 
Gold
Sent: March 10, 2009 1:08 PM
To: Shuttleworth, Roger
Cc: Art Campbell; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

Have you tried:

* Copy/Paste
* Printing to PDF from Acrobat Pro, then trying to extract text by Save As?

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Shuttleworth, Roger
 wrote:
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I can save other PDFs without a problem.
> My Acrobat version is Acrobat Pro 7.1.0.
> The Application was AppleWorks. The PDF Producer is Mac OSX 10.3.9 Quartz 
> PdfContext according to the Document Properties window. There seems to be
> nothing else interesting in the metadata, and no security applied.
>
> Roger
>
> -Original Message-
> From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Gold
> Sent: March 10, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: Shuttleworth, Roger; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF
>
>>> I have ?a PDF that was created using Mac OSX 10.3.9. It displays fine on my 
>>> Windows XP SP3 machine, but I cannot extract the text and create a
Word
>>> doc. When I try Save As, I get nothing produced except an error:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bad PDF; could not read page structure. >> fonts: cannot find CMAP resource file> [33]
>
> If the PDF was made using Mac's Preview application, this could be the 
> problem;
> check document info for Creator.
>
> If you get the same error when trying to Save As with all documents,
> the Acrobat installation may be corrupted.
>

RE: Easiest way to rename all linked graphics without having torescale?

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello Verner

If you open the MIF file in a text editor, you can search for a graphic name 
(from the left column of your table) and replace it with the
corresponding new name. Then save the MIF and open it in FrameMaker.

I don't know of an easier way.

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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Engell VEA
Sent: January 7, 2009 8:43 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Easiest way to rename all linked graphics without having torescale?

Hi
We have to rename all linked graphics.
 
My plan is to
 
1. generate a list of linked graphics for each chapter
2. convert the list to a table with two column and writh the new
graphics name in the right column
3. rename all graphics
4. Close and open FM and for each graphics point to the new file name.
 
I have to do this for 250 .pngs.
 
I was thinking about editing in .mif files or scripts but I think this
is the easiest solution.
 
Do you have an easier solution?
 
Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
Verner Andersen
Technical Writer

Radiometer Medical ApS
Phone +45 3827 3612
Fax +45 3827 2727
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Easiest way to rename all linked graphics without having torescale?

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello Verner

If you open the MIF file in a text editor, you can search for a graphic name 
(from the left column of your table) and replace it with the
corresponding new name. Then save the MIF and open it in FrameMaker.

I don't know of an easier way.

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Andersen, Verner 
Engell VEA
Sent: January 7, 2009 8:43 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Easiest way to rename all linked graphics without having torescale?

Hi
We have to rename all linked graphics.

My plan is to

1. generate a list of linked graphics for each chapter
2. convert the list to a table with two column and writh the new
graphics name in the right column
3. rename all graphics
4. Close and open FM and for each graphics point to the new file name.

I have to do this for 250 .pngs.

I was thinking about editing in .mif files or scripts but I think this
is the easiest solution.

Do you have an easier solution?

Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
Verner Andersen
Technical Writer

Radiometer Medical ApS
Phone +45 3827 3612
Fax +45 3827 2727
verner.andersen at radiometer.dk




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RE: Checkboxes in numbered lists

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Doug

Oops, having read your question again, I see that you want the checkbox and the 
autonumber too. That presents a problem, since you can only have the
one character format applied to the autonumber scheme, and the Wingdings char 
format would be applied to the number (not what you want). Perhaps the
only way, as Cheryl suggested, is to put it in a table. 

Roger

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Sent: December 18, 2008 8:55 AM
To: Eaton, Doug; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Checkboxes in numbered lists

Hello Doug

1. Create a character format that uses the Wingdings font.
2. Determine which keyboard key gives you the open square that you want.
3. Define your numbered paragraph format. On the Numbering tab, check the 
Autonumber Format box.
4. In the autonumber field, type the keyboard character that will give you the 
checkbox, followed by \t for a tab.
5. Select the Wingdings character format that you created.
4. Click Update All.

The checkbox will appear whenever you use the paragraph format.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Eaton, Doug
Sent: December 17, 2008 10:08 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Checkboxes in numbered lists

How do I integrate a checkbox (i.e., Wingding open square) into the
Autonumber format code so that each step also has a check box for
indicating completion?   

The final product will appear as follows:

Checkbox1. Step 1...

Checkbox2. Step 2...

etc.


~~
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Technical Communications 
Sensis Corporation
 
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Checkboxes in numbered lists

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello Doug

1. Create a character format that uses the Wingdings font.
2. Determine which keyboard key gives you the open square that you want.
3. Define your numbered paragraph format. On the Numbering tab, check the 
Autonumber Format box.
4. In the autonumber field, type the keyboard character that will give you the 
checkbox, followed by \t for a tab.
5. Select the Wingdings character format that you created.
4. Click Update All.

The checkbox will appear whenever you use the paragraph format.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Eaton, Doug
Sent: December 17, 2008 10:08 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Checkboxes in numbered lists

How do I integrate a checkbox (i.e., Wingding open square) into the
Autonumber format code so that each step also has a check box for
indicating completion?   

The final product will appear as follows:

Checkbox1. Step 1...

Checkbox2. Step 2...

etc.


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Technical Communications 
Sensis Corporation

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Checkboxes in numbered lists

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Doug

Oops, having read your question again, I see that you want the checkbox and the 
autonumber too. That presents a problem, since you can only have the
one character format applied to the autonumber scheme, and the Wingdings char 
format would be applied to the number (not what you want). Perhaps the
only way, as Cheryl suggested, is to put it in a table. 

Roger

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Sent: December 18, 2008 8:55 AM
To: Eaton, Doug; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Checkboxes in numbered lists

Hello Doug

1. Create a character format that uses the Wingdings font.
2. Determine which keyboard key gives you the open square that you want.
3. Define your numbered paragraph format. On the Numbering tab, check the 
Autonumber Format box.
4. In the autonumber field, type the keyboard character that will give you the 
checkbox, followed by \t for a tab.
5. Select the Wingdings character format that you created.
4. Click Update All.

The checkbox will appear whenever you use the paragraph format.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Eaton, Doug
Sent: December 17, 2008 10:08 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Checkboxes in numbered lists

How do I integrate a checkbox (i.e., Wingding open square) into the
Autonumber format code so that each step also has a check box for
indicating completion?   

The final product will appear as follows:

Checkbox1. Step 1...

Checkbox2. Step 2...

etc.


~~
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Technical Communications 
Sensis Corporation

315.634.7284
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RE: Tag-compare tool?

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Nancy

MIFMuncher will create a text file listing all the paragraph characteristics 
that you selected, for all the paragraph formats in your document. It
will not include character formats, cross-refs, tables, etc. However, I don't 
know how you would do a diff between sections of the same file.
You can download MIFMuncher from http://www.stc-carolina.org/MIF+Muncher.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
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Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool?


Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
That is not the issue.

My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
settings between two tags?

In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.

Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
(Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
template from scratch, however.)

The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
character tags is to:

1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics

2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)

3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk

4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags

5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings

I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
patience.

If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
properties, I will be glad to hear them.

--Nancy
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Tag-compare tool?

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Nancy

MIFMuncher will create a text file listing all the paragraph characteristics 
that you selected, for all the paragraph formats in your document. It
will not include character formats, cross-refs, tables, etc. However, I don't 
know how you would do a diff between sections of the same file.
You can download MIFMuncher from http://www.stc-carolina.org/MIF+Muncher.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: December 17, 2008 12:13 PM
To: peter at knowhowpro.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool?


Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
That is not the issue.

My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
settings between two tags?

In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.

Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
(Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
template from scratch, however.)

The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
character tags is to:

1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics

2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)

3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk

4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags

5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings

I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
patience.

If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
properties, I will be glad to hear them.

--Nancy
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RE: Server-based (hosted) documentation and user comments (DocBook?)

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

There is an open-source DITA-to-wiki project under way that claims to be able 
to round-trip between DITA (hence structured Frame or XML editor) and
wiki. See http://development.lombardi.com/?p=68. I have not used it, so cannot 
comment on its capabilities.

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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One additional note, MoinMoin wiki can be configured to allow users to
output content as/via/through (not sure of the right terminology)
DocBook.  I haven't explored this yet to see whether that's HTML output
or PDF output (or both).  

This is something I'd like to know more about, as to me it would be
pretty compelling for us to take care of the source-wiki workflow and
let users generate their own PDFs on demand from the wiki, if they so
desire.

-Michael

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Subject: Server-based (hosted) documentation and user comments
(DocBook?)


[cross-posted to TECHWR-L mailing list]
 
Can anyone recommend technologies to do the following:

*   Hosted documentation, available on the internet as a web
service. 

*   Each doc topic allows users to add comments. (e.g. Here's a
better example to do this task...) 

*   Management tools to moderate user comments, and to handle
documentation updates (retaining the comments). 

*   Authoring tools to produce said documentation. 


The open source community exploits these technologies. How do they do
it? I have an inkling for a solution: FrameMakerDocBookePublisher?
 
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Server-based (hosted) documentation and user comments (DocBook?)

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

There is an open-source DITA-to-wiki project under way that claims to be able 
to round-trip between DITA (hence structured Frame or XML editor) and
wiki. See http://development.lombardi.com/?p=68. I have not used it, so cannot 
comment on its capabilities.

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael O'Neill
Sent: October 31, 2008 3:16 PM
To: Crimmin, Peter; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Server-based (hosted) documentation and user comments (DocBook?)

One additional note, MoinMoin wiki can be configured to allow users to
output content as/via/through (not sure of the right terminology)
DocBook.  I haven't explored this yet to see whether that's HTML output
or PDF output (or both).  

This is something I'd like to know more about, as to me it would be
pretty compelling for us to take care of the source->wiki workflow and
let users generate their own PDFs on demand from the wiki, if they so
desire.

-Michael

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Peter
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:49 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Server-based (hosted) documentation and user comments
(DocBook?)


[cross-posted to TECHWR-L mailing list]

Can anyone recommend technologies to do the following:

*   Hosted documentation, available on the internet as a web
service. 

*   Each doc topic allows users to add comments. (e.g. "Here's a
better example to do this task...") 

*   Management tools to moderate user comments, and to handle
documentation updates (retaining the comments). 

*   Authoring tools to produce said documentation. 


The open source community exploits these technologies. How do they do
it? I have an inkling for a solution: FrameMaker>DocBook>ePublisher?

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RE: FrameMaker and SharePoint

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello Lester

I used SharePoint in a previous life. No problems with it as regards 
FrameMaekr, except that:

1. Version control for FM binaries consists of storing copies, not diffs.
2. If I remember correctly, SharePoint does not search the content of FM files 
(though it does Office documents and PDF, I believe).
3. There is a cryptic error message that pops up when file paths exceed 255 
characters, so don't nest your files too deeply and keep folder/file names
short.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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Subject: FrameMaker and SharePoint


Is anyone using SharePoint with FrameMaker documents?



I would like to hear about your experiences, problems, 'gotchas' and so
on.



Thank in advance for any info.



- Lester



 Lester C. Smalley

Email:

lsmalley AT infocon DOT com

 Information Consultants, Inc.

Phone:

302-239-2942   FAX: 302-239-1712

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FrameMaker and SharePoint

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello Lester

I used SharePoint in a previous life. No problems with it as regards 
FrameMaekr, except that:

1. Version control for FM binaries consists of storing copies, not diffs.
2. If I remember correctly, SharePoint does not search the content of FM files 
(though it does Office documents and PDF, I believe).
3. There is a cryptic error message that pops up when file paths exceed 255 
characters, so don't nest your files too deeply and keep folder/file names
short.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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To: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker and SharePoint


Is anyone using SharePoint with FrameMaker documents?



I would like to hear about your experiences, problems, 'gotchas' and so
on.



Thank in advance for any info.



- Lester



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Element boundaries

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Hello All

 

I am working with XML files in FM 7.1.

 

I prefer to work with Element Boundaries visible, so after opening a file I set 
this option on the View menu. However, when I close the file and open
another one, I have to set it again. Is there any way to have this set as a 
permanent preference? I searched the maker.ini file but there seems to be
no option there.

 

Thanks all.

 

Roger

 

 

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Element boundaries

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Hello All



I am working with XML files in FM 7.1.



I prefer to work with Element Boundaries visible, so after opening a file I set 
this option on the View menu. However, when I close the file and open
another one, I have to set it again. Is there any way to have this set as a 
permanent preference? I searched the maker.ini file but there seems to be
no option there.



Thanks all.



Roger





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Anchored frame internal gap

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Hello All

 

I'm sure this has been asked previously on the list, but I can't access the 
frameusers.com site.

 

Using Frame 7.1 on Windows XP.

 

By default, when a graphic is imported into an anchored frame, it appears to 
place a 6.0 pt internal gap between the anchored frame and the image. Is
there a way to change this default to zero?

 

Thanks.

 

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Anchored frame internal gap

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Hello All



I'm sure this has been asked previously on the list, but I can't access the 
frameusers.com site.



Using Frame 7.1 on Windows XP.



By default, when a graphic is imported into an anchored frame, it appears to 
place a 6.0 pt internal gap between the anchored frame and the image. Is
there a way to change this default to zero?



Thanks.



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RE: question about usage

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Deirdre

The term alphanumeric covers both alphabetical and numeric characters.

Regards,
Roger

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Hi all:

The documents I am working with refer to numerical characters and
alpha characters.

Just out of professional curiosity, is this terminology correct?
Those two phrases sound overly complicated to me -- numerical
characters sounds like a complicated way of saying numbers and
ditto alpha characters for letters.  (And isn't alpha just slang
for alphabetical? They aren't talking about the Greek character.)

Or, it could be accepted jargon.

Who knows?

(I'm hoping you do.  LOL)

Thanks,

Deirdre
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question about usage

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Hi Deirdre

The term "alphanumeric" covers both alphabetical and numeric characters.

Regards,
Roger

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Hi all:

The documents I am working with refer to numerical characters and
alpha characters.

Just out of professional curiosity, is this terminology correct?
Those two phrases sound overly complicated to me -- "numerical
characters" sounds like a complicated way of saying "numbers" and
ditto "alpha characters" for "letters."  (And isn't alpha just slang
for alphabetical? They aren't talking about the Greek character.)

Or, it could be accepted jargon.

Who knows?

(I'm hoping you do.  LOL)

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Table elements not enumerated

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All

 

I posted this question on the FrameMaker-DITA group last week and got no 
response, so here goes again.

 

Using FM 7.1 p116 on Windows XP SP2.

 

In my EDD I have four elements that are defined as table elements. They are: 
tgroup, simpletable, choicetable, and properties (all DITA elements).
Working in a structured doc, I paste some delimited text that I want to convert 
to a table. I paste it either into a paragraph element or into some
other container. I select the text and go to Table  Convert to table. As 
expected, a dialog box opens showing the table formats, numbers of heading
rows, etc. However, the only choice in the Element tag box is simpletable. 
Other table elements just don't appear.

 

The same is true if I go to Table  Insert table. Normally I would not do this 
anyway, preferring to use the element catalog.

 

It is always the simpletable that is presented as the only option; the other 
three are never presented.

 

I can trick the system sometimes into presenting all four elements, but it's a 
hassle and I haven't yet found any pattern as to what makes it
enumerate them.

 

Is this a known bug in FM 7.1? Or is there something else that could trigger 
this behaviour?

 

Thanks. 

 

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Canada

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degree symbol

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

The Character Sets PDF available from the Help menu lists the following for 
Windows:

Alt 0176Symbol font CrtlQ, 0 - but gives it an infinity symbol!

Alternatively, I find you can use Ctrl-Q,{ in the standard font (I'm using 
Stone Serif).


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
Sent: June 19, 2008 6:01 PM
To: Deirdre Reagan
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: degree symbol

It's a guy thing ;)

On 20/06/2008, at 9:59 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> Alt 0176 works indeed!  But I have to be on the number pad, not the
> numbers across the top of the keyboard.
>
> Anyone know why Help's help isn't helpful?
>
> Deirdre
>
> On 6/19/08, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
>> Deirdre you crack me up :D
>>
>> On a PC I think you hold down alt and press 0176 (on a Mac at the  
>> moment so
>> can't test it).
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On 20/06/2008, at 9:38 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> quick question -- FM 8.0 XP
>>>
>>> I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).
>>>
>>> Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.
>>>
>>> Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.
>>>
>>> \degree with return gives me \degree
>>> and a paragraph mark.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Deirdre
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RE: table and figure captions

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello Deirdre

The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in 
the Table Designer. You can set it to No title if you wish.

Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert.

If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted 
automatically every time you insert a figure.

Hope this helps.

Roger

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Subject: table and figure captions

Hi all!

Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not
Figure captions?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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table and figure captions

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Hello Deirdre

The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in 
the Table Designer. You can set it to "No title" if you wish.

Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert.

If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted 
automatically every time you insert a figure.

Hope this helps.

Roger

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Subject: table and figure captions

Hi all!

Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not
Figure captions?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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RE: TOC problem with links

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Hi Carla

Which links are you referring to? ToC hyperlinks to chapters? Internal links 
within the chapter? Cross-refs inside the chapter? Etc.

Roger

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Subject: TOC problem with links

Generating a book with about 15 source files.  There is one file that
will show up in the TOC with the correct headings, but the links are
broken.

Tried the following: 
- MIFfing the file
- making a new container file and pasting the contents there
- deleting the existing TOC and forcing FM to create a new one
- putting the trouble file in another location in the book

Any suggestions?

FM8 on a relatively new Windows machine with plenty of memory and disk
space (not my computer, don't know the specifics).

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RE: TOC problem with links

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Hi Carla

I presume you are referring to the hyperlinks that are created between the ToC 
and the chapter heading within Frame, rather than in a PDF.

If you have View, Text Symbols switched on, do you see a hypertext marker in 
this ToC heading, just as in the other headings?

In the book file, when you right-click the ToC and choose Set Up Table of 
Contents, is the Create Hypertext Links box checked?

Does the heading in the ToC (or in the chapter, for that matter) contain a 
character format that spans part of it? This would limit the hypertext link
to only a portion of the heading.

These are some of the things that occur to me right off...

Roger

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Subject: RE: TOC problem with links

The links in the ToC itself to the chapter title and subheadings.  All
generated links in the ToC except for this one file work.

The file did contain text insets, but they were converted to normal
text, and the broken links still happened.

We also deleted the first xref marker in the file, on the heading, to
try and force new links to be created. Still broken.

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TOC problem with links

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Hi Carla

Which links are you referring to? ToC hyperlinks to chapters? Internal links 
within the chapter? Cross-refs inside the chapter? Etc.

Roger

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: May 8, 2008 12:54 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TOC problem with links

Generating a book with about 15 source files.  There is one file that
will show up in the TOC with the correct headings, but the links are
broken.

Tried the following: 
- MIFfing the file
- making a new container file and pasting the contents there
- deleting the existing TOC and forcing FM to create a new one
- putting the trouble file in another location in the book

Any suggestions?

FM8 on a relatively new Windows machine with plenty of memory and disk
space (not my computer, don't know the specifics).

-Carla

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TOC problem with links

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Carla

I presume you are referring to the hyperlinks that are created between the ToC 
and the chapter heading within Frame, rather than in a PDF.

If you have View, Text Symbols switched on, do you see a hypertext marker in 
this ToC heading, just as in the other headings?

In the book file, when you right-click the ToC and choose Set Up Table of 
Contents, is the Create Hypertext Links box checked?

Does the heading in the ToC (or in the chapter, for that matter) contain a 
character format that spans part of it? This would limit the hypertext link
to only a portion of the heading.

These are some of the things that occur to me right off...

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: May 8, 2008 1:13 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOC problem with links

The links in the ToC itself to the chapter title and subheadings.  All
generated links in the ToC except for this one file work.

The file did contain text insets, but they were converted to normal
text, and the broken links still happened.

We also deleted the first xref marker in the file, on the heading, to
try and force new links to be created. Still broken.

-Carla

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RE: Microsoft XP support

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Before we get too excited about this, it appears to me that the news report 
refers to Microsoft ceasing to *sell* XP, not ceasing to support it.

As for me, I tried Vista on a new laptop for a few days and hated it.


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Microsoft XP support

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Before we get too excited about this, it appears to me that the news report 
refers to Microsoft ceasing to *sell* XP, not ceasing to support it.

As for me, I tried Vista on a new laptop for a few days and hated it.


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Tel. 519 963-4368
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RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Yes, that happened to me last week too. I was resizing an anchored frame. Also 
7.1 on XP SP2. It just quit. Suddenly it was there, then it wasn't. No
message. I thought my eyes had gone funny...

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilk, Susan
Sent: February 12, 2008 10:32 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

I have been experiencing the same problem as Christopher. I am running
FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP. (And Christopher, I am not a newbie--I
have been using Fm for well over 10 years.)

The last time FM crashed in this way, I had just imported an image
(gif), reduced the size, and was adjusting the frame with the bottom
center handle.

Susan Sackett-Wilk
The TriZetto Group
Irving, Texas




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
To: 'Brewster, Christopher C'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then
do
a import file. 
What version of FM,  what platform?
Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster,
Christopher C
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save

I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems
a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file.
First I do Special  Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I
paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this
process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes
without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie
Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe
someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM.
Thanks.

Christopher C. Brewster 

Lockheed Martin



 

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FM abruptly closes with no save

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Yes, that happened to me last week too. I was resizing an anchored frame. Also 
7.1 on XP SP2. It just quit. Suddenly it was there, then it wasn't. No
message. I thought my eyes had gone funny...

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Wilk, Susan
Sent: February 12, 2008 10:32 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

I have been experiencing the same problem as Christopher. I am running
FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP. (And Christopher, I am not a newbie--I
have been using Fm for well over 10 years.)

The last time FM crashed in this way, I had just imported an image
(gif), reduced the size, and was adjusting the frame with the bottom
center handle.

Susan Sackett-Wilk
The TriZetto Group
Irving, Texas




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
To: 'Brewster, Christopher C'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then
do
a import file. 
What version of FM, & what platform?
Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brewster,
Christopher C
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save

I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems
a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file.
First I do Special > Anchored Frame, and set "Top of column". Then I
paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this
process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes
without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie
Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe
someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM.
Thanks.

Christopher C. Brewster 

Lockheed Martin





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Re: Distiller 7 missing fonts

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Thanks to all who replied regarding my missing fonts problem. The answer was a 
Jakob Schäffer suggested below; as soon as I added C:\PSFONTS to the
Distiller font locations (i.e. pointing to the PFB file) the problem went away.

 

Thanks also to Fred Ridder for a warning regarding use of ATM Lite with Windows 
XP. I've now removed it.

 

BTW, I was fairly sure it was not a font licensing issue, because Distiller in 
that case issues a more specific message: font cannot be embedded
because of licensing restrictions or something similar.

 

Regards,

Roger

 

This error occurs when the Distiller setting When embedding fails is set to 
Cancel job *and* Distiller cannot find the .PFB file.

 

Your Distiller Font locations points to C:\PSFONTS\PFM. Traditionally Adobe 
Type Manager is NOT storing .PFB files in this folder, but rather in the
C:\PSFONTS folder. Hence, check the specific location for the .PFB file and add 
that folder to your Distiller font locations.

 

 

 

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London, Ontario

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Canada

Tel. 519 963-4368

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Distiller 7 missing fonts

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Thanks to all who replied regarding my missing fonts problem. The answer was a 
Jakob Sch?ffer suggested below; as soon as I added C:\PSFONTS to the
Distiller font locations (i.e. pointing to the PFB file) the problem went away.



Thanks also to Fred Ridder for a warning regarding use of ATM Lite with Windows 
XP. I've now removed it.



BTW, I was fairly sure it was not a font licensing issue, because Distiller in 
that case issues a more specific message: "font cannot be embedded
because of licensing restrictions" or something similar.



Regards,

Roger



 





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Technical Publications

TVWorks Canada, Inc.

150 Dufferin Avenue

London, Ontario

N6A 5N6

Canada

Tel. 519 963-4368

www.tvworks.com

Distiller 7 missing fonts

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All

 

(sigh) I know this question must have been asked dozens of times.

 

Using FrameMaker 7.1 p116 and Acrobat Professional (Distiller) 7.0.7. Windows 
XP SP2.

 

I try to create a PDF from FrameMaker using File  Save as PDF. Distiller fires 
up but fails to produce a PDF (because of my settings) with the
following message:

 

%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%

%%[ Error: GillSans not found. Font cannot be embedded. ]%%

%%[ Error: invalidfont; OffendingCommand: findfont ]%%

 

The GillSans it refers to is installed on my system using ATM Lite. It's a Type 
1 PostScript produced by Adobe, file name GN___.pfm and .pfb. There
are a number of related fonts - the italic, bold, etc.

 

In Distiller the font locations are set to:

 

C:\PSFONTS\PFM\

C:\Windows\Fonts\

C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Resource\Font\

 

And a couple of other places.

 

In Distiller's Adobe PDF Settings the Embed all fonts option is checked, as is 
Subset embedded fonts when percent...is less than 100%. And When
embedding fails is set to Cancel job.

 

I removed and reinstalled the fonts from the original disk using ATM, but the 
message still appears. In FrameMaker the paragraph formats using these
fonts are OK - i.e. the font is not greyed in the paragraph designer.

 

Any ideas?

 

 

Roger Shuttleworth

Technical Publications

TVWorks Canada, Inc.

150 Dufferin Avenue

London, Ontario

N6A 5N6

Canada

Tel. 519 963-4368

www.tvworks.com

 

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Distiller 7 missing fonts

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All



(sigh) I know this question must have been asked dozens of times.



Using FrameMaker 7.1 p116 and Acrobat Professional (Distiller) 7.0.7. Windows 
XP SP2.



I try to create a PDF from FrameMaker using File > Save as PDF. Distiller fires 
up but fails to produce a PDF (because of my settings) with the
following message:



%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%

%%[ Error: GillSans not found. Font cannot be embedded. ]%%

%%[ Error: invalidfont; OffendingCommand: findfont ]%%



The GillSans it refers to is installed on my system using ATM Lite. It's a Type 
1 PostScript produced by Adobe, file name GN___.pfm and .pfb. There
are a number of related fonts - the italic, bold, etc.



In Distiller the font locations are set to:



C:\PSFONTS\PFM\

C:\Windows\Fonts\

C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Resource\Font\



And a couple of other places.



In Distiller's Adobe PDF Settings the Embed all fonts option is checked, as is 
Subset embedded fonts when percent...is less than 100%. And "When
embedding fails" is set to Cancel job.



I removed and reinstalled the fonts from the original disk using ATM, but the 
message still appears. In FrameMaker the paragraph formats using these
fonts are OK - i.e. the font is not greyed in the paragraph designer.



Any ideas?





Roger Shuttleworth

Technical Publications

TVWorks Canada, Inc.

150 Dufferin Avenue

London, Ontario

N6A 5N6

Canada

Tel. 519 963-4368

www.tvworks.com

RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

And another suggestion regarding getting markers into paragraphs of a 
particular format (assuming you don't use IXGen):
Do a Find using the specific paragraph format. When you do Find Next, the 
paragraph is selected. Then Esc,s,m will open the marker box with the text
already in it. But remember to click in the para before adding the marker, 
otherwise the marker replaces the selected text! 

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: January 23, 2008 4:19 PM
To: 'Stuart Rogers'
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Absolutely great advice. I'm learning new tricks.

I have gone back to putting the $paranum in the LOF, which is sufficient.

Thanks again
Pete

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Pete Rourke wrote:
 FM8 Windows XP
 
  
 
 I started from the book addList of  Figures using the paragraph tag,
 Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
 (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
 
  
 
 Is there a special marker for figures?
 
  
 
 I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
 indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
 
  
 
 Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
 index?
 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?

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Distiller 7 Options

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All

 

A couple of years ago (maybe more) Dov Isaacs published a couple of 
presentations on Distiller 6 options and how to set up Distiller for PDF 
creation
from FrameMaker. But I seem to recall that there was a subsequent version for 
Distiller 7. Does anyone know where I can find it, if it exists? Or is
there other information available? Thanks.

 

Roger

 

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Distiller 7 Options

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hello All



A couple of years ago (maybe more) Dov Isaacs published a couple of 
presentations on Distiller 6 options and how to set up Distiller for PDF 
creation
from FrameMaker. But I seem to recall that there was a subsequent version for 
Distiller 7. Does anyone know where I can find it, if it exists? Or is
there other information available? Thanks.



Roger



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Technical Publications

TVWorks Canada, Inc.

150 Dufferin Avenue

London, Ontario

N6A 5N6

Canada

Tel. 519 963-4368

www.tvworks.com

Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

And another suggestion regarding getting markers into paragraphs of a 
particular format (assuming you don't use IXGen):
Do a Find using the specific paragraph format. When you do Find Next, the 
paragraph is selected. Then Esc,s,m will open the marker box with the text
already in it. But remember to click in the para before adding the marker, 
otherwise the marker replaces the selected text! 

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: January 23, 2008 4:19 PM
To: 'Stuart Rogers'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Absolutely great advice. I'm learning new tricks.

I have gone back to putting the <$paranum> in the LOF, which is sufficient.

Thanks again
Pete

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:05 PM
To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Alphabetizing a generated list of Figures or Tables

Pete Rourke wrote:
> FM8 Windows XP
> 
>  
> 
> I started from the book add>List of > Figures using the paragraph tag,
> Caption, but I have not figured out how to put this into the reference
page
> (like what the standard index does) to do the alphabetical sorting.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a special marker for figures?
> 
>  
> 
> I have 2 pages of 2 col generated List of figures (screenshots) and when
> indexed are sorted in the order of the pages in the book.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a way to have them appear alphabetically like the generated
regular
> index?
> 

Others have already replied with lots of good advice.  I'll just add 
that a work-around, if you want to sort the list you have, would be to 
convert it to a table, one cell per paragraph, and then sort the table. 
  It's a maintenance headache of course, nothing automated about it, but 
it would accomplish what you ask.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?

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