Re: [Framers] San Serif Font?

[Tori Muir]

We use google fonts almost exclusively these days -- Free, many have a wide 
range of weights, and they read well on screen. Added bonus: none of the wonky 
"available in application X but not in application Y" issues that Adobe fonts 
seem to be plagued by (on MacOS at least). 

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On 3/21/24, 9:02 AM, "Framers on behalf of Edwards, Patrick H" 
 wrote:

You could use something like Adobe's Source Sans that has a ton of variants:
https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/source-sans
See the Licensing tab on this page.

Best,
Patrick

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From: Framers  
On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 10:17 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
; Tammy Van Boening 

Subject: Re: [Framers] San Serif Font?

Hello Tammy, "Standard" with Windows? I find that Microsoft will make 
changes to their Windows and Office offerings as they want to, and Adobe tends 
to supply few and fewer fonts with every product release. For example, 
Microsoft recently changed
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Hello Tammy,



"Standard" with Windows?   I find that Microsoft will make changes to

their Windows and Office offerings as they want to, and Adobe tends to

supply few and fewer fonts with every product release. For example,

Microsoft recently changed the default Office font from Calibri to Aptos.



Fonts that come with Windows are not the same as fonts that are supplied

when Microsoft Office is installed.

One good example of this is "Arial".  When some versions of Office were

installed, Arial got a "Unicode MS" variant which had many more font

glyphs than the original Arial. This would sometimes cause problems when

Word documents were shared with users who didn't have the extra fonts

installed.





I would suggest to specify a font the customer wants, regardless of what

Microsoft specifies.

This way you/customer can choose which fonts to use, but also determine

under which license the fonts are available.

 
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Regards

/// Simon BUCH









On 21/03/2024 14:02, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

> OK all,

> I am doing a major overhaul on an existing template for a client. I very 
much like the San serif fonts of Eurostile or Roboto, but I really don't want 
to break my cardinal rule of using proprietary fonts that have to be embedded 
in the final PDF. I really would like to be able to use a font that comes 
standard with windows, but which font, in your opinion, that comes standard 
with windows would be the closest to either of these two fonts?

>

> My client saw a template that I was working on for another project and 
really commented that they liked the look of the Roboto font and then I showed 
him one with the EUROSTILE font and they like that one just as much. That said, 
I don't wanna leave my client with  having to deal with fonts in their source 
files.

> Thanks!

> Tammy

>

> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

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Re: [Framers] Grammar, now with hyphens!

[Tori Muir]

I second Lynne's advice!  One additional point: if listing multiple items that 
have compound adjectives with the same noun being modified, it's customary to 
use the noun only on the last one. E.g.: 

The shop sells 2-, 4- and 10-gear bikes

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On 8/20/20, 12:17 PM, "Framers on behalf of Lynne A. Price" 
 wrote:

Doug,
Your examples show compound adjectives that modify "bike". Most of 
them should be hyphenated. The exception is "multi-gear". "Multi" is a 
prefix rather than a word by itself so "multigear" does not require a 
hyphen.
You didn't ask, but as far as spelling out the number of gears as 
opposed to using Arabic numerals, I would probably use the words rather 
than numerals, depending on context. If you are writing something like a 
catalog for a bicycle shop or the assembly directions for a new bicycle, 
I would probably follow existing conventions (such as the previous 
version of the catalog). If different manufacturers use different 
conventions, I'd probably use each manufacturer's names. If company A 
sells a 12-gear bike and company B sells a twelve-gear bike, a purchaser 
may have trouble finding information on each unless a store's catalog 
identifies each product the way its manufacturer does.
 --Lynne

On 8/20/2020 11:39 AM, Doug wrote:
> I've seen these used both ways, so I'd like some fresh input:  which of 
the
> following are correct, and why?
>
> single gear bike
> four gear bike
> ten gear bike
> 12-gear bike
> 20-gear bike
> multi-gear bike
> fixed gear bike


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Re: [Framers] Retired

[Tori Muir]

Hi Keith,

You definitely have given back to the community-- I have many of your posts in 
my 'Ooh, that's a good thing to know, hang onto that for future reference!" 
file.

Wishing you all the best in the next phase of your adventure! 

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On 11/26/18, 8:23 AM, "Framers on behalf of Keith Soltys" 
 wrote:

As of last Wednesday, I am now retired, courtesy of a sudden but not 
entirely unexpected lay off from the TMX Group (basically the Toronto 
Stock Exchange) where I've been for the last seventeen years. This will 
likely end any further use of FrameMaker on my part, as I won't be 
looking for full-time work again.

I'd like to thank everyone on this list and in the Frame community for 
their help over the years. This list has been a great resource and I 
hope I've been able to pay some of it back.

Regards

Keith


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Re: [Framers] Update on printing issue with Windows 10 1803 Build

[Tori Muir]

Hi All,

any additional info on this issue, specifically when the fix might be released 
to the general public? We're still unable to save to PDF from Frame and are 
having frequent issues printing Frame docs.  

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From:   Stefan Gentz 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Date:   06/14/2018 03:27 AM
Subject:[Framers] Update on printing issue with Windows 10 1803 
Build
Sent by:"Framers" 




Hi All

Just to update you on Windows 10 (1803 build) issue which impacted File -> 
Print and File -> Save as PDF options with FrameMaker (Versions 12, 2015, 
and 2017).

We have been working closely with the Microsoft team on this issue, and 
recently an insider Windows 10 build was released:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blogs.windows.com_windowsexperience_2018_06_06_announcing-2Dwindows-2D10-2Dinsider-2Dpreview-2Dbuild-2D17686_=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=EzsTqFcqMMeruyw65WC106Ka_VJ-jsuk87F39NQ3FN0=hy4Cqk3eifkw2fWpZmhxwZTb8IEzlnbIYsb264peE4k=


We have started testing out the issue that was reported on this insider 
build and the initial testing indicates that this issue has been resolved. 
We are still in the process of further verification and confirming that 
the issue has been resolved back to Microsoft team.

For those of you who have access to Windows 10 Insider preview builds (or 
would like to get enrolled in the beta program for Windows) , please visit 

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__insider.windows.com_en-2Dus_=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=EzsTqFcqMMeruyw65WC106Ka_VJ-jsuk87F39NQ3FN0=bfyRGemGm6k8e2xJQx3RaMFtTX2tf-9hWeSy4EAuKkA=
 
and try the new preview build. Once installed, if you check you Windows 
version it should show screenshot as below ("Version 1803 (OS Build 
17686.10003"):

[cid:image001.png@01D403C1.E480E150]



Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist



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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs InDesign

[Tori Muir]

Again, based on painful personal experience I must respectfully disagree. 
*Production artists* can be trained to do things in a systematic and 
template-based fashion – they're thrilled to find built-in tools to make the 
whole process faster,  more consistent, and more maintainable. But true 
designers won't agree to learn it/won't retain it, or will only do it until 
you're no longer working with that company, at which point they will blissfully 
revert to creating the prettiest pages they can. 

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On 6/24/17, 12:59 PM, "Framers on behalf of David Creamer" 
<framers-bounces+tmuir=spot-on-creative@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of 
ideasli...@ideastraining.com> wrote:

That is just a result of poor training. It may or may not be the designer's
fault--most likely the company/manager is to blame by not providing the
training or enforcing a professional workflow.

In my experience, once a designer sees the advantages of using based-on
master pages, text styles, and object styles, they will be happy to switch
over. This is especially true for large projects like a book.


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-Original Message-
Regrettably, that isn't necessarily true. A lot of the folks who use InD are
first and foremost *designers*, and have no qualms about hand-formatting
everything on the page to produce a lovely composition. It can be very
difficult to get users with that mindset to switch to a
structure-based/formats-driven viewpoint. Additionally, a huge number of the
InD users I've worked with/trained in long document work can't even set up
an auto-bulleted paragraph, let alone autonumbering, and I shudder to think
what would happen if they tried indexing. 

I would qualify the below statement by saying that if they are already using
InD the way one needs to use Frame, you'll have no problem training them.
If, on the other hand, their preferred approach is to use InD the way one
might use Illustrator, you're in for a rough ride. I'll never forget the
time a client had me update the InD files for their product catalog: 235
pages containing ~800 products, a TOC and an  index, without a single
paragraph/character format defined, no generated TOC or index, no book
files, not even auto-connected text flows from page to page. The most
advanced thing they'd done was add a page number to the master page.  But
the catalog *looked* lovely!

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs InDesign

[Tori Muir]

Regrettably, that isn't necessarily true. A lot of the folks who use InD are 
first and foremost *designers*, and have no qualms about hand-formatting 
everything on the page to produce a lovely composition. It can be very 
difficult to get users with that mindset to switch to a 
structure-based/formats-driven viewpoint. Additionally, a huge number of the 
InD users I've worked with/trained in long document work can't even set up an 
auto-bulleted paragraph, let alone autonumbering, and I shudder to think what 
would happen if they tried indexing. 

I would qualify the below statement by saying that if they are already using 
InD the way one needs to use Frame, you'll have no problem training them. If, 
on the other hand, their preferred approach is to use InD the way one might use 
Illustrator, you're in for a rough ride. I'll never forget the time a client 
had me update the InD files for their product catalog: 235 pages containing 
~800 products, a TOC and an  index, without a single paragraph/character format 
defined, no generated TOC or index, no book files, not even auto-connected text 
flows from page to page. The most advanced thing they'd done was add a page 
number to the master page.  But the catalog *looked* lovely!

Tori Muir
 

On 6/23/17, 11:03 AM, "Framers on behalf of Robert Lauriston" 
<framers-bounces+tmuir=spot-on-creative@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of 
rob...@lauriston.com> wrote:

Or train someone else to use FrameMaker. Someone who knows InDesign
shouldn't have much trouble learning it.

Wha'ts delivered to the customer? FM files or PDF or ?

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Mikey Shine <mikeysh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why?
>
> Well I think the easy answer is that I hear most often from my employer is
> that I am the ONLY one who can work on this publication and this one
> publication is a huge part of the contract. Should something either happen
> to me or my employment with the company, they feel they'd find themselves
> between the proverbial rock and a hard place fast. The obvious question is
> why not hire someone else with the necessary experience in Frame to back 
me
> upright? I have no idea what their answer would be to that question.
>
> I guess if I'm being totally honest here, what I'm actually looking for is
> for more pros than cons as to why this document should remain in Frame. In
> today's workplace, I've found there's nothing quite like the job security
> of this publication being a native FrameMaker file and I'd really rather
> not give that up if I don't have to ;-)
>
> > On Jun 22, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > What do they hope to accomplish by doing that?
> >
> > The only sane reason I know would be that you deliver only as PDF
> > and/or print and want to be able to tweak it to get more visually
> > distinctive results than you get with FrameMaker.
> >
> > There's a service that will do the conversion:
> > http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid
> >
> >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Mikey Shine <mikeysh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> My company has informed me that they’d like to switch one of our major
> publications over from FrameMaker to InDesign. If conversion is not an
> option, they wouldn’t be opposed to rebuilding the entire publication from
> scratch as an InDesign document.
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Re: Adobe Customer Care-less - Yet another round

[Tori Muir]

  
  
Well.. yes and no. It's ridiculous that a
  paying customer of so many years can only get timely, competent
  assistance by venting in a forum. If one were a cynic, it might
  suggest that Adobe is not concerned about customers' lack
of satisfaction (or even their ability to use the tools for which
they paid Adobe a princely sum) unless it risks damaging their
reputation. 

I have gone through something similar to Tammy's predicament some
years ago. It took a solid week to resolve the issue -- a week in
which my office was essentially dead in the water, helpless to fix
it. As my business partner joked, "It would probably cost us less
and get the issue resolved immediately if we rent a big billboard
beside Adobe HQ and announce the problem". Although my experience
with Adobe's licensing practices is that they generally do work
fairly well, if they go off the rails the situation descends to
nightmare level in 5 minutes flat and stays there until the user
manages to connect with someone at Adobe who has both interest and
power to fix it. And, unfortunately, that person is rarely at the
end of the first-tier Customer Support phone line. 
    Tori Muir
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On 5/30/15, 10:50 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

  At 07:43 -0600 30/5/15, Tammy Van Boening wrote:


  
Priyank came to my assistance and had the whole issue solved in 15 minutes.

  
  
Yet again the huge value of this group is validated.



  

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Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

[Tori Muir]

  
  
For those of us with eyesight that's not what
  it used to be due to age, a 14" screen is simply not a viable
  option, no matter how high the resolution. 

FWIW, my eyesight is decidedly declined, I run Frame 11 on a 15"
Retina MacBook Pro hooked up to a 27" Thunderbolt display (a mere
2560 x 1440 pixels), and it looks *awesome*. I'm not sure the
exact resolution I'm running, as I use VMware Fusion and it has its
own monitor settings within the virtual machine. 
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www.spot-on-creative.com

On 4/15/15, 1:06 PM, Ragnar Hans wrote:

  
  
  
  
Why
not a Fujitsu Lifebook U904?
Even
better resolution than Mac (3200 x 1800 vs 2880x1800). The
14 format makes it much more easier to work while
travelling. And no problems running FM!
Ragnar
Hanas
Uddevalla
Hospital
Sweden


  
From:
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 17:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12
using the 5K Retina screen?
  



  There are a number of people on this list
(I believe) who have dealt with issues using FM12 on retina
MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the same thing,
but it's well beyond the "compatible" resolution for FM. You
might search the archives for "retina" or perhaps those
people will chime in with their experiences.

Good luck!
...scott


On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:


  
Because of fading eyesight due to old
  age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and
  software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the
  Windows operating system,because of Apple's amazing
  brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears
  so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that
  iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was
  possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on
  the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the
  fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for
  some time now, they have yet to test this!
  
  
  
 
  
  
Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I
  would need to first pig-in-a-poke purchase the latest
  Apple hardware, and download and install their latest
  Adobe software, and thentest for native screen resolution
  *myself*. --If it should turn out that FM12 won't run on
  the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at full
  resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting
  old.
  
  
  
 
  
  
Question #1: Has anyone on this list
  succeeded in running FM12 at full screen resolution on a
  5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade
  the resolution of the screen in order to run FM12?
  Question #2: If it has been necessary to degrade the
  resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how does
  FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of
  image, crispness of print, etc., or is itinferior?
  Question #3: Should I instead purchase some other brand of
  monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest
  hi-res big-screen monitor offered by Dell?
  
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
(This was Adobe's response: "The
  Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 screen resolution
  (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under
  
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html.
  5K Retina screen has not yet been tested with FrameMaker
  12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and were
  experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to
  adjust the display resolution. However, If you want you
  can install the trial version for FrameMaker 12 and check

Re: Can't Generate PDF

[Tori Muir]

I'd suspect a corrupt graphic. Try making a copy of the file, deleting 
out all the graphics, see if it will PDF. If so, add back in the first 
half the graphics, see if the file will now PDF.  If so, add half the 
remaining graphics, text again. If not, remove half of what you'd added 
and test again.   Or if there are relatively few graphics, you can just 
add them back in 1-2 at a time.


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On 6/4/14, 11:15 AM, Karen Robbins wrote:

Hello Framers,

I recently updated a much-used 200+ Kb file and attempted to save as 
PDF, which failed; I could see the temporary .tps file appear then 
disappear. Tried printing to a .ps file, which also failed; file 
generates but it contains zero kb. Tried different printers in the 
print setup, all fail. Log file reads %%[ Warning: Empty job. No PDF 
file produced. ] %%. Tried restarting, save-as on the file, and a new 
document; same results. There is nothing different about my setup 
AFAIK. FM 11.0.2.384 in Windows 7, in Parallels 8.


I can print paper output, which, as I'm on deadline, will have to be 
scanned to PDF (on the Mac side!) and insert into my master 
FM-generated PDF.


Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks,
Karen

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On 1/7/14 3:16 PM, VLM TechSubs wrote:

  
  
  
  
Greetings,

Is there an
easy way to convert documents/books from FM to InDesign?
Using FM 8 and dont own InDesign, but now this client has
requested this conversion. MIF2Go, perhaps?

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Hmmm. The path Creative Suite took: for the first year or two,
subscription was offered as an option 
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On 9/10/13 12:38 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

  Hi,

Here Adobe's licensing plans had been discussed lively.
Now Adobe announced the next FrameMaker release for 2014.
They also want to keep their current licensing model.

Best regards

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Secondly, we plan to offer subscription as an additional option for our products, in addition to the perpetual licensing, so that our customers can choose the licensing option that works best for them.

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Quark XPress is also an alternative, was around 1-12 years before Adobe 
created InDesign.  It's quite good.

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> Robert Lauriston wrote:
>> Adobe has something of a captive market with InDesign. The same isn't true 
>> for FrameMaker and RoboHelp.
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
>> (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)  wrote:
>>> ?  They get more $ by forcing all users to upgrade with each new
>>> release whether they want to or not, so barring the CS
>>> subscription-only model causing mass migration to other products
>>> (sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path.
> Ummm ... the extract above is not from me actually.
>
> However, I would add that InDesign has an alternative - but not clear to me 
> how good an alternative it is (if at all) - in the new "Page&  Layout 
> Designer" from Xara.  Some people here are evaluating it.
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Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?

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Switching back to an owned version won't be an issue: in a couple of
years TCS will be subscription-only. That's the path Adobe took with
Creative Suite-- first year or two subscription was an option, soon
it will be mandatory. They get more $ by forcing all users to
upgrade with each new release whether they want to or not, so
barring the CS subscription-only model causing mass migration to
other products (sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path. 

Monopolies are decidedly not consumer-friendly.
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Tori  

On 7/29/13 6:37 AM, rebecca officer wrote:

  
  
  Hi everyone
  
  I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model
(please don't all flame me at once).
  
  Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to
outright ownership in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the
subscription model until TCS6 was released, would I then be able
tobuy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or would I be stuck
with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our
upgrade chain.
  
  Also, does anyone knowifthe TCSversion of Illustrator
stays in sync with the Creative Cloud version? Or could there be
a delay whileAdobe integrate a new version of Illustrator into
the TCS?
  
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Quark XPress is also an alternative, was around 1-12 years before Adobe 
created InDesign.  It's quite good.


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On 7/31/13 1:40 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

Robert Lauriston wrote:

Adobe has something of a captive market with InDesign. The same isn't true for 
FrameMaker and RoboHelp.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)syed.hos...@aeris.net  wrote:

Ø  They get more $ by forcing all users to upgrade with each new
release whether they want to or not, so barring the CS
subscription-only model causing mass migration to other products
(sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path.

Ummm ... the extract above is not from me actually.

However, I would add that InDesign has an alternative - but not clear to me how good an 
alternative it is (if at all) - in the new Page  Layout Designer from Xara.  
Some people here are evaluating it.

Z

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Re: Unwanted hairlines around graphics in pdfs created by FM11

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Robert, be sure that your Distiller is using joboptions that have 
Acrobat compatibility set to Acrobat 5 or above.  Acrobat 4 
compatibility will produce the hairlines.


That said, Mike is correct -- they do not print.

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On 7/22/13 2:45 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
Have you zoomed into the PDF to see if the hairline is still there? 
Acrobat sometimes creates display artifacts, depending on zoom level. 
They only appear on screen at low zoom levels and don't print. 
Presumably, they are rounding errors, where Acrobat rounds something 
up to display as one pixel, rather than rounding it down to zero.


You might also try selecting the anchored frame that holds the graphic 
and setting the fill pattern to none.


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On 7/22/2013 12:12 PM, Robert CH Shell wrote:

Dear Framers:
I am stuck once more.
I am printing a single file to pdf via the .ps route.
However, I am finding that each and every graphic (all jpgs below 
250kb) is

surrounded by a thin white INDELIBLE HAIRLINE.
No hairlines are visible in FM 11
I cannot find the answer in the manual or the lists.
A few Google hits suggest that it occurs in the flattening process 
but not

specific to FM
I am quite certain it is in the print settings, but I have become dizzy
changing them.

I am printing using the Smallest File Size option

Rob
PC
8 Gbyte
3 terrabyte drives
Windows 7
64 bit
TCS 4
Creative suite CS4
Flash Professional





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Robert, be sure that your Distiller is using joboptions that have 
Acrobat compatibility set to Acrobat 5 or above.  Acrobat 4 
compatibility will produce the hairlines.

That said, Mike is correct -- they do not print.

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On 7/22/13 2:45 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
> Have you zoomed into the PDF to see if the hairline is still there? 
> Acrobat sometimes creates display artifacts, depending on zoom level. 
> They only appear on screen at low zoom levels and don't print. 
> Presumably, they are rounding errors, where Acrobat rounds something 
> up to display as one pixel, rather than rounding it down to zero.
>
> You might also try selecting the anchored frame that holds the graphic 
> and setting the fill pattern to none.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
> On 7/22/2013 12:12 PM, Robert CH Shell wrote:
>> Dear Framers:
>> I am stuck once more.
>> I am printing a single file to pdf via the .ps route.
>> However, I am finding that each and every graphic (all jpgs below 
>> 250kb) is
>> surrounded by a thin white INDELIBLE HAIRLINE.
>> No hairlines are visible in FM 11
>> I cannot find the answer in the manual or the lists.
>> A few Google hits suggest that it occurs in the flattening process 
>> but not
>> specific to FM
>> I am quite certain it is in the print settings, but I have become dizzy
>> changing them.
>>
>> I am printing using the Smallest File Size option
>>
>> Rob
>> PC
>> 8 Gbyte
>> 3 terrabyte drives
>> Windows 7
>> 64 bit
>> TCS 4
>> Creative suite CS4
>> Flash Professional
>>
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Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

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Signed, and commented.

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On 5/21/13 12:37 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

Signed and with exactly the same reasons that Carol Elkins put in her email.
Very well stated.

TVB

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Yes, please sign and pass it on:
http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-man
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On 21-May-13 3:30 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote:


Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's

View of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765http://tidbits.com/e/13765)
makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment
succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next.

I see from this article that there is a petition on Change.org to try to

persuade Adobe to abandon this sales model. Please go here if you feel
strongly about this issue:



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> Signed and with exactly the same reasons that Carol Elkins put in her email.
> Very well stated.
>
> TVB
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> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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>
> Yes, please sign and pass it on:
> http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-man
> datory-creative-cloud-subscription-model
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 21-May-13 3:30 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>> At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote:
>>
>>> Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's
> View of the Future, (<http://tidbits.com/e/13765>http://tidbits.com/e/13765)
> makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment
> succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next.
>> I see from this article that there is a petition on Change.org to try to
> persuade Adobe to abandon this sales model. Please go here if you feel
> strongly about this issue:
>>
> <http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-ma
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Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

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I am running Frame on a MacBook Pro, Win XP in VMware Fusion. I used
to have Parallels as my emulator, but encountered the same issue you
are experiencing.
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On 5/13/13 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
Hi, all-

Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If
so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I
used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked
in the past. I was able to download the trial version and
have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets
about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not
extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried
re-downloading multiple times. Ive tried moving all the
files to an Explorer window.

Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't
happening. New Mac, Windows XP.

Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page
too.

Thanks!
Kristy



  
  
  
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Maybe contact Rick Quatro -- might be a job for his script wizardry.

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Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Tori Muir]

Question: MacCap's site lists upgrades as 'starting at $499' -- we'd 
love to find a more cost-effective alternative to FrameMaker.  The v9  
v11 $600 upgrade was a real kick in the pants to start seriously 
evaluating the cost of continuing to absorb FM's high upgrade fees vs 
the cost of switching to a different program. We use unstructured Frame, 
so most of the features added in recent versions of the program have 
been of no use to us, thus we're paying top dollar for minimal 
improvement.  But $499 seems even higher than Frame's one-version 
upgrades? Or is this only a better deal financially if replacing Frame + 
RoboHelp?


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On 4/1/13 11:22 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote:

Syed -

I've been using Frame since 1991 (Frame 2.0.)

We've been evaluating MadCap Flare and were ready to switch, but when we looked 
at FM11 and the new multi-HTML output that appears to be as easy as Flare, it 
made us stop and take another look. We don't know which way we're going yet.. 
back into evaluation mode.

That said, MadCap being a smaller company is, in general, much more responsive 
in regards to feature requests. Much like Frame Technologies (and DataLogics) 
were in the early days with Frame. Their Platinum support plan is worth its 
cost when you are first using it, and Flare imports Framemaker files directly. 
However, my recent talk with an Adobe sales mgr letting them know we were 
*seriously* evaluating a competitor seems to have gotten me better response 
regarding some of the issues I've been having  - more so than I've seen in 
years.

Cost-wise, it may be worth it to you to look at the Adobe cloud-based 
subscription model. That is supposed to include the latest versions whenever 
released, but I haven't evaluated the overall cost on a yearly basis yet.

-Carla





-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:02 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Kapil Verma; Robert Lauriston; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Hi, Kapil.

Okay, I just got off the phone with somebody in the FrameMaker team. Her 
statement to me was that the Update Plan for FrameMaker is indeed either dead, or 
essentially not available anymore to anybody who has less than 10,000 points in the Adobe 
systems.

The bottom line: all users with few licenses are essentially shut out.

So, it seems that I did *not* get wrong information from the Adobe sales rep I 
spoke to before!

For me, this means that FrameMaker 11 is the _last_ version I will ever use 
(after having been on the FrameMaker wagon since 1988).

Because the version upgrade pricing has gotten way out of hand - from my 
perspective, _most_ (almost all) of what I paid for with the FM 10 and FM 11 
upgrades were bug-fixes for version 9 really!

At $399 for the last upgrade, this is simply not acceptable anymore. Even my 
purchase of the 2 year update plan was for naught (based on my sign-up date for 
the Update plan, I had to pay for the FM 11 version upgrade _separately_ 
anyway), since I have not seen FrameMaker 12 come out in that time.

I have already begun looking for alternatives and will make do without 
FrameMaker as soon as we can finish this project - I suspect that my last 
purchase of any FrameMaker-related product will be for Mif2Go to get all 
current FrameMaker documents into some other tool.

Regards,

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:41 AM
To: Kapil Verma; Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Thanks for the response, Kapil.

Yes, I would like to get information - the last time, I bought a 2 year Update 
Plan directly at the Adobe web site (may have been the Adobe store?) in May of 
2011, but cannot find that link on the site anymore.

Please do let me know who I can speak to about this (as an FYI, I did get an 
e-mail from somebody else on the FrameMaker team, but we did not connect on 
Friday).

Z

-Original Message-
From: Kapil Verma [mailto:kve...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Robert Lauriston; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Hi Syed,

This is Kapil Verma, Adobe Tech Comm Product Manager. Unfortunately, you have 
been given wrong information. We continue to offer upgrade plans for both 
FrameMaker and Acrobat. If you are interested in purchasing/renewing, I will be 
more than happy

Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Tori Muir]

We had a client that wanted line numbers in a document, a new feature in 
v11. We would not have upgraded otherwise.  It was literally a 'if Frame 
can't number the lines, we put this back into Word' situation -- for a 
400 page specification document. I cannot imagine the pain of trying to 
wrangle something that large and complex in Word!


Sadly, having spent the flippin' $600 to upgrade, they were not happy 
with how Frame does the line numbers (they wanted contiguous numbers 
thru the entire 400-page book, whereas Frame restarts in every chapter 
and at every 1000th line).  So we ended up having to throw the problem 
over to Rick Quatro, who came up with an excellent scripted solution at 
a fraction of the upgrade cost.  Which is quite possibly why I'm so 
peevish about the upgrade price:we spent $600/employee for nothing we 
could use.


Tori Muir
tm...@spot-on-creative.com

On 4/1/13 12:11 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Why pay anything to upgrade FrameMaker? Adobe hasn't added any
features that I'd pay for since FM8 added Unicode support. I never do
anything new with it so I never need support.

What requirements do you have that FM9's not meeting?

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Tori Muirtm...@spot-on-creative.com  wrote:

Question: MacCap's site lists upgrades as 'starting at $499' -- we'd love to
find a more cost-effective alternative to FrameMaker.

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Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Tori Muir]

Question: MacCap's site lists upgrades as 'starting at $499' -- we'd 
love to find a more cost-effective alternative to FrameMaker.  The v9 > 
v11 $600 upgrade was a real kick in the pants to start seriously 
evaluating the cost of continuing to absorb FM's high upgrade fees vs 
the cost of switching to a different program. We use unstructured Frame, 
so most of the features added in recent versions of the program have 
been of no use to us, thus we're paying top dollar for minimal 
improvement.  But $499 seems even higher than Frame's one-version 
upgrades? Or is this only a better deal financially if replacing Frame + 
RoboHelp?

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On 4/1/13 11:22 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote:
> Syed -
>
> I've been using Frame since 1991 (Frame 2.0.)
>
> We've been evaluating MadCap Flare and were ready to switch, but when we 
> looked at FM11 and the new multi-HTML output that appears to be as easy as 
> Flare, it made us stop and take another look. We don't know which way we're 
> going yet.. back into evaluation mode.
>
> That said, MadCap being a smaller company is, in general, much more 
> responsive in regards to feature requests. Much like Frame Technologies (and 
> DataLogics) were in the early days with Frame. Their Platinum support plan is 
> worth its cost when you are first using it, and Flare imports Framemaker 
> files directly. However, my recent talk with an Adobe sales mgr letting them 
> know we were *seriously* evaluating a competitor seems to have gotten me 
> better response regarding some of the issues I've been having  - more so than 
> I've seen in years.
>
> Cost-wise, it may be worth it to you to look at the Adobe cloud-based 
> subscription model. That is supposed to include the latest versions whenever 
> released, but I haven't evaluated the overall cost on a yearly basis yet.
>
> -Carla
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
> aeris.net)
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:02 PM
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Kapil Verma; Robert 
> Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
> for FrameMaker?
>
> Hi, Kapil.
>
> Okay, I just got off the phone with somebody "in the FrameMaker team". Her 
> statement to me was that the Update Plan for FrameMaker is indeed either 
> dead, or essentially not available anymore to anybody who has less than 
> 10,000 points in the Adobe systems.
>
> The bottom line: all users with few licenses are essentially shut out.
>
> So, it seems that I did *not* get wrong information from the Adobe sales rep 
> I spoke to before!
>
> For me, this means that FrameMaker 11 is the _last_ version I will ever use 
> (after having been on the FrameMaker wagon since 1988).
>
> Because the version upgrade pricing has gotten way out of hand - from my 
> perspective, _most_ (almost all) of what I paid for with the FM 10 and FM 11 
> upgrades were bug-fixes for version 9 really!
>
> At $399 for the last upgrade, this is simply not acceptable anymore. Even my 
> purchase of the 2 year update plan was for naught (based on my sign-up date 
> for the Update plan, I had to pay for the FM 11 version upgrade _separately_ 
> anyway), since I have not seen FrameMaker 12 come out in that time.
>
> I have already begun looking for alternatives and will make do without 
> FrameMaker as soon as we can finish this project - I suspect that my last 
> purchase of any FrameMaker-related product will be for Mif2Go to get all 
> current FrameMaker documents into some other tool.
>
> Regards,
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
> aeris.net)
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:41 AM
> To: Kapil Verma; Robert Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
> for FrameMaker?
>
> Thanks for the response, Kapil.
>
> Yes, I would like to get information - the last time, I bought a 2 year 
> Update Plan directly at the Adobe web site (may have been the Adobe store?) 
> in May of 2011, but cannot find that link on the site anymore.
>
> Please do let me know who I can speak to about this (as an FYI, I did get an 
> e-mail from somebody else on the FrameMaker team, but we did not connect on 
> Friday).
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kapil Verma [mailto:kverma at adobe.com]
&

Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Tori Muir]

We had a client that wanted line numbers in a document, a new feature in 
v11. We would not have upgraded otherwise.  It was literally a 'if Frame 
can't number the lines, we put this back into Word' situation -- for a 
400 page specification document. I cannot imagine the pain of trying to 
wrangle something that large and complex in Word!

Sadly, having spent the flippin' $600 to upgrade, they were not happy 
with how Frame does the line numbers (they wanted contiguous numbers 
thru the entire 400-page book, whereas Frame restarts in every chapter 
and at every 1000th line).  So we ended up having to throw the problem 
over to Rick Quatro, who came up with an excellent scripted solution at 
a fraction of the upgrade cost.  Which is quite possibly why I'm so 
peevish about the upgrade price:we spent $600/employee for nothing we 
could use.

Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com

On 4/1/13 12:11 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Why pay anything to upgrade FrameMaker? Adobe hasn't added any
> features that I'd pay for since FM8 added Unicode support. I never do
> anything new with it so I never need support.
>
> What requirements do you have that FM9's not meeting?
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Tori Muir  
> wrote:
>> Question: MacCap's site lists upgrades as 'starting at $499' -- we'd love to
>> find a more cost-effective alternative to FrameMaker.
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Re: OT: FM and InDesign

[Tori Muir]

  
  
Yeah, but since this is Adobe we're talking about:

He that lives upon hope will die fasting -- Benjamin
  Franklin

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On 3/7/13 8:23 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

  Sorry to keep the "topic" going, but I can't resist:

Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a
tree of life (Proverbs 13:12).

Rick

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: FM and InDesign

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:29:48 -0800, Alison Craig

  
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

  
  

  
We can live in hope! ;-)))

  
  
I said in my soul, be still, and wait without hope For hope would be for the
wrong thing; wait without love For love would be love of the wrong thing;
there is yet faith But the faith and the love and the hope are all in the
waiting; Wait without thought, for you are not ready for thought: 
So the darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.
  --T. S. Eliot, in The Four Quartets

;-)

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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
tables.


Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
numbers.


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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

  
  
On 2/25/13 11:54 AM, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote:
If your customer cant work with such a solution because
its different from how Word does it, then you _do_ have a
challenge.
That there is the heart of the problem! 

However, all is not lost: Rick Quatro kindly called and offered to
look into a scripted solution, and Penelope sent instrux on how to
fake it using a narrow text column in the margin set to autonumber.
She also pointed out that Worm doesn't number lines in tables
either, so I feel a bit better about the $400. 

Thank goodness for this list, it's a lifesaver. Or a job-saver, at
any rate. 
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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would 
number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?


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On 2/25/13 1:03 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:

Hi Tori,

After sending my note, and before deleting the test file, I also placed the 
CellNumbered paragraph tag in place of body text paragraphs between tables.  
The numbering and renumbering were consistent inside and outside the tables.

This might be applied to Headings and other paragraph types.  I see no problem 
with applying the Autonumber Format to other paragraph tags, including all 
paragraph tags within your documents.

This was just a wild suggestion that I meant to stimulate ideas.  It works in 
FrameMaker-9.

Ed DeRosier

-Original Message-
From: Tori Muir [mailto:tm...@spot-on-creative.com]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:55 PM
To: De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered
contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would
not be acceptable.

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On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:

Hi Tori,

You said:

   Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line
   numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
   contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
   tables.

   Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would
   add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue
   for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to
   our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master
   pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same
   numbers.

Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are using 
those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we named 
CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.
We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.

The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:

C:n=1.\t
and
C:n+.\t

I tested these just now with three successive tables.  I added CellNumbered1 to 
the top cell of a column and then added
CellNumbered to several cells below in the same column and in multiple columns 
within a table.

I continued the CellNumbered tag in the following table.

In the third table, I returned to the use of CellNumbered1 to the top cell of a 
column and CellNumbered to several cells below.

The numbering of the paragraphs was as expected whether the additional 
paragraphs were within a cell or in separate cells.  The numbering continued 
across tables and was restarted as expected.

If your requirements are different, perhaps you could give more details of your 
needs.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company
Morgan Hill, California




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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

coughit's a 470-page, multi-chapter book, with a ton of generated 
files, numbered headers 8 levels deep, and ~320 tables. I don't think so.


A sample chapter generated using Rick Quatro's scripted solution 
(generate line numbers via a FrameScript before PDF-ing) has been 
reviewed by the client and judged as better than Word, because the 
table text is now numbered, too. While Rick's solution does require 
adding an extra step to our pre-PDF routine, the whole book can be done 
in a few hours of implementation time, plus a quick run of the script.  
Thanks to all who have been contributing ideas, it's been great seeing 
so many of Frame's capabilities I didn't know about!


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On 2/25/13 2:11 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:

Correct, Richard.
Tori, perhaps you could make the entire file a large table with one-line rows.  
The left column could be just large enough to hold numbers, and the right 
column could span the remaining text frame width.  You would need to restart 
each line in a new row.

Or you could use my previous idea and end each line (regardless of paragraph 
tag) with a return (no wrapping allowed).

Or perhaps create a side head with a 1-column table for the line numbering.

These are all clumsy solutions.  Sorry, I've never been required to number each 
line.

Ed DeRosier

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:20 PM
To: tm...@spot-on-creative.com; De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Tori Muir wrote:


Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

It doesn't. Ed's proposal numbers paragraphs, not lines.

Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
tables.

Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
numbers.

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Line numbering tables in FM11?

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Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered 
contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would 
not be acceptable.

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On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
> Hi Tori,
>
> You said:
>>   Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line
>>   numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
>>   contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
>>   tables.
>>
>>   Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would
>>   add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue
>>   for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to
>>   our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master
>>   pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same
>>   numbers.
> Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are 
> using those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we named 
> CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.
> We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.
>
> The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:
>
> C:

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would 
number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

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On 2/25/13 1:03 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
> Hi Tori,
>
> After sending my note, and before deleting the test file, I also placed the 
> CellNumbered paragraph tag in place of body text paragraphs between tables.  
> The numbering and renumbering were consistent inside and outside the tables.
>
> This might be applied to Headings and other paragraph types.  I see no 
> problem with applying the Autonumber Format to other paragraph tags, 
> including all paragraph tags within your documents.
>
> This was just a wild suggestion that I meant to stimulate ideas.  It works in 
> FrameMaker-9.
>
> Ed DeRosier
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tori Muir [mailto:tmuir at spot-on-creative.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:55 PM
> To: De Rosier, Edward
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?
>
> Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered
> contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would
> not be acceptable.
>
> Tori Muir
> tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
> www.spot-on-creative.com
>
>
> On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
>> Hi Tori,
>>
>> You said:
>>>Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line
>>>numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
>>>contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
>>>tables.
>>>
>>>Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would
>>>add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue
>>>for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to
>>>our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master
>>>pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same
>>>numbers.
>> Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are 
>> using those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we 
>> named CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.
>> We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.
>>
>> The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:
>>
>> C:

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

<>it's a 470-page, multi-chapter book, with a ton of generated 
files, numbered headers 8 levels deep, and ~320 tables. I don't think so.

A sample chapter generated using Rick Quatro's scripted solution 
(generate line numbers via a FrameScript before PDF-ing) has been 
reviewed by the client and judged as "better than Word, because the 
table text is now numbered, too". While Rick's solution does require 
adding an extra step to our pre-PDF routine, the whole book can be done 
in a few hours of implementation time, plus a quick run of the script.  
Thanks to all who have been contributing ideas, it's been great seeing 
so many of Frame's capabilities I didn't know about!

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On 2/25/13 2:11 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
> Correct, Richard.
> Tori, perhaps you could make the entire file a large table with one-line 
> rows.  The left column could be just large enough to hold numbers, and the 
> right column could span the remaining text frame width.  You would need to 
> restart each line in a new row.
>
> Or you could use my previous idea and end each line (regardless of paragraph 
> tag) with a return (no wrapping allowed).
>
> Or perhaps create a side head with a 1-column table for the line numbering.
>
> These are all clumsy solutions.  Sorry, I've never been required to number 
> each line.
>
> Ed DeRosier
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:20 PM
> To: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com; De Rosier, Edward
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?
>
> Tori Muir wrote:
>
>> Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
>> number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?
> It doesn't. Ed's proposal numbers paragraphs, not lines.
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Frame 11 Appearance

[Tori Muir]

  
  
Preach it, sister! #1 thing our team HATE about Acrobat X: the
Next/Previous comment buttons for PDF edits were taken away. Why,
Adobe, why?! It took considerable effort to convince our clients to
shift from an all-Word workflow to a Frame + PDF markup workflow,
then Adobe go and make that workflow substantially less efficient.
In a document with hundreds of comments, scrolling through
them via the side scrollbar is a giant PITA: hard to control and
prone to missing individual comments. No exaggeration, between this
missing feature and the jumping around mentioned below, Acrobat X
adds 20% to the time needed to work through a round of edits. But
the #2 thing that is disliked is the PlaySkool-size
gray-on-gray-on-gray UI elements now afflicting all Adobe apps.
Color is a great way to easily distinguish between tiny icons,
especially for those of us with eyeballs that have passed the
half-century mark. And the chunky, clunky font is neither attractive
nor easy to read. Loath though I am to praise anything emanating
from Redmond, Word's interface is at present a lot better to work
with. 

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On 2/20/13 10:41 AM, Karen Robbins wrote:
Me too! I truly dislike the dark, drab, low-contrasty
  appearance of Frame and all the Adobe apps. Whatever happened to
  clarity, readability, contrast, and the ability to size UI text
  for improved accessibility? Even the best settings aren't good
  enough--it goes from really low contrast and poor readability to
  barely-tolerable contrast and still poor readability.
  
  
  Another bad interface is recent Acrobat (Pro). UI elements are
  oversized, clunky, and take up far too much screen real estate! I
  hate having to click, click, click all over the place to reveal
  and hide stuff, and have the document jump around, resize, etc.
  while doing so. As bad on Mac as on PC, unfortunately.
  
  
  (And don't get me started about Dreamweaver)
  
  
  --Karen
  
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Re: Frame Word Frame -- is there a way to do this w/o going nuts?

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Thanks to all who replied, it's genuinely good to know there isn't a
magically simple way to do this that I was unaware of. If the
import filters are more robust, we definitely should look into
upgrading -- we hadn't so far because as non-structured users we
hadn't seen any must-have features in v10 or v11. 

Onward!

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On 1/30/13 7:25 AM, Art Campbell wrote:
A couple of points
  
I wouldn't work with the Word files at all if you have any
  other options. RTF would be the way to go.
You should have the option to open the RTFs in Frame using
  the Japanese RTF import filter. It's more robust than the
  English RTF filter. Try that... 
You're two frame releases behind current, and the import
  filters seemed (to me, at least) to have been updated. You
  should at least download the FM11 eval version and see if that
  makes a difference, or find someone with current versions to
  test for you.
You also have another option... Output from Word to PDF, and
  then save that out from Acrobat to RTF. Not saying it'll make
  much difference or what the formatting will look like, but
  it's an option to look at.
  
  
  Art Campbell   
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  Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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  On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com
  wrote:
   We've been maintaining a set of engineering specs for a
  client for 10
   years. The documents are large, 300+ page multi-chapter
  books, with header
   autonumbering that goes to 8 levels. About a year ago, client
  requested we
   give them the Frame content for one spec in Word so they
  could do some
   extensive edits. We did, and had not heard from them since.
  They contacted
   us 2 weeks ago, asking us to reformat the document. They'd
  compiled all the
   chapters into one 450-page Word doc and done 2-3 major
  revisions over the
   last year, all editing done by engineers and other folks with
  no expertise
   in long-document work. It's a bit of a mess.
  
   Now they want us to re-convert it into Frame. What would the
  recommended
   workflow be? We want to do this as cost-efficiently as
  possible for the
   client, but also keep our Frame template pristine and the
  data clean.
  
   - We tried opening the Word doc (and sub-sections thereof)
  in Frame (v9),
   but Frame crashes.
  
   - We have saved selected chunks of the Word doc to RTF and
  imported to
   Frame. On the plus side, paragraph formatting comes in OK,
  and tables are
   tables (there are a bazillion tables). On the minus side,
  paragraphs with
   TOC references get split into two, one empty one with the
  reference marker,
   then one with the text. This is a significant issue in a
  manual whose TOC
   includes all 8 levels of the aforementioned autonumbered
  headers. Plus the
   dreaded missing-font message occurs, and I hate trying to
  track that down.
   And I'm a bit uneasy about corrupted cross references and
  other metadata
   that have been round-tripped thru Word, had bad experiences
  with that.
  
   - We can also just blow the Word file out to plain text and
  reformat.
   Painful, but our Frame template remains clean that way. Or
  maybe a hybrid
   approach where we RTF the Word document, then use that to
  copy tables from
   (formatting them is time-consuming), and import the rest as
  plain text...
  
   Recommendations?
  
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We've been maintaining a set of engineering specs for a client for 10 
years. The documents are large, 300+ page multi-chapter books, with 
header autonumbering that goes to 8 levels. About a year ago, client 
requested we give them the Frame content for one spec in Word so they 
could do some extensive edits. We did, and had not heard from them 
since. They contacted us 2 weeks ago, asking us to reformat the 
document. They'd compiled all the chapters into one 450-page Word doc 
and done 2-3 major revisions over the last year, all editing done by 
engineers and other folks with no expertise in long-document work.  It's 
a bit of a mess.


Now they want us to re-convert it into Frame. What would the recommended 
workflow be? We want to do this as cost-efficiently as possible for the 
client, but also keep our Frame template pristine and the data clean.


- We tried opening the Word doc (and  sub-sections thereof) in Frame 
(v9), but Frame crashes.


- We have saved selected chunks of the Word doc to RTF and imported to 
Frame. On the plus side, paragraph formatting comes in OK, and tables 
are tables (there are a bazillion tables). On the minus side, paragraphs 
with TOC references get split into two, one empty one with the reference 
marker, then one with the text. This is a significant issue in a manual 
whose TOC includes all 8 levels of the aforementioned autonumbered 
headers. Plus the dreaded missing-font message occurs, and I hate trying 
to track that down. And I'm a bit uneasy about corrupted cross 
references and other metadata that have been round-tripped thru Word, 
had bad experiences with that.


- We can also just blow the Word file out to plain text and reformat. 
Painful, but our Frame template remains clean that way. Or maybe a 
hybrid approach where we RTF the Word document, then use that to copy 
tables from (formatting them is time-consuming), and import the rest as 
plain text...


Recommendations?

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Frame > Word > Frame -- is there a way to do this w/o going nuts?

[Tori Muir]

We've been maintaining a set of engineering specs for a client for >10 
years. The documents are large, 300+ page multi-chapter books, with 
header autonumbering that goes to 8 levels. About a year ago, client 
requested we give them the Frame content for one spec in Word so they 
could do some extensive edits. We did, and had not heard from them 
since. They contacted us 2 weeks ago, asking us to reformat the 
document. They'd compiled all the chapters into one 450-page Word doc 
and done 2-3 major revisions over the last year, all editing done by 
engineers and other folks with no expertise in long-document work.  It's 
a bit of a mess.

Now they want us to re-convert it into Frame. What would the recommended 
workflow be? We want to do this as cost-efficiently as possible for the 
client, but also keep our Frame template pristine and the data clean.

- We tried opening the Word doc (and  sub-sections thereof) in Frame 
(v9), but Frame crashes.

- We have saved selected chunks of the Word doc to RTF and imported to 
Frame. On the plus side, paragraph formatting comes in OK, and tables 
are tables (there are a bazillion tables). On the minus side, paragraphs 
with TOC references get split into two, one empty one with the reference 
marker, then one with the text. This is a significant issue in a manual 
whose TOC includes all 8 levels of the aforementioned autonumbered 
headers. Plus the dreaded missing-font message occurs, and I hate trying 
to track that down. And I'm a bit uneasy about corrupted cross 
references and other metadata that have been round-tripped thru Word, 
had bad experiences with that.

- We can also just blow the Word file out to plain text and reformat. 
Painful, but our Frame template remains clean that way. Or maybe a 
hybrid approach where we RTF the Word document, then use that to copy 
tables from (formatting them is time-consuming), and import the rest as 
plain text...

Recommendations?

Tori Muir
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Re: Template for four-page brochure?

[Tori Muir]

If it's just one page folded, imposition is not an issue.  We've always 
done this by designing two 11 x17 pages, never had any problem with 
printing. And setting it up as 4 separate pages is a PITA when trying to 
see what the outside spread (front and back covers)  will look like.


Our quickstart material tends to be heavy on diagrams, light on text, so 
we tend to use free-standing text boxes on the page.  I set up one 11x17 
master with guide lines indicating columns and gutters, then another for 
printing that doesn't have the lines. We just have to remember to apply 
the printing master before PDF-ing. If your material is mostly text, it 
probably makes more sense to set up a master with 4 text flows, and you 
can probably use that as-is for both layout and printing.


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On 8/6/12 10:15 AM, Kenneth C. Benson wrote:

Nancy, the answer depends on whether you're printing this.

If you're having it printed professionally, most printers have 
imposition tools and would prefer that you leave the imposition to 
them (so give them four separate pages and tell them you want page 4 
facing page 1 on the outside and page 2 facing page 3 on the inside). 
Mollye's right, though, you should ask the printer first.


If you are the printer, it might be easier to design it as two 11x17 
pages.


Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type
www.pegtype.com

On 8/6/2012 11:32 AM, Nancy Allison wrote:

In 20+ years of using FrameMaker, I've never had to do this before.

I need to create a template for a four-page Quick Start Card that 
will print on a piece of 11 x 17 paper that will be folded once to 
produce four pages.


I don't know how this is done. Do I:

--Create four regular 8.5 x 11 pages and select print options so 
pages 4 and 1 will print on one side of the 11 x 17 page, and sides 
2 and 3 will print on the other side?


--Create a template with an 11 x 17 page size with the four text 
flows already established? (Is it possible Adobe provides such a 
template? I looked, but did not find one in the Templates folder.)


Any tips gratefully received.

--Nancy
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Template for four-page brochure?

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If it's just one page folded, imposition is not an issue.  We've always 
done this by designing two 11 x17 pages, never had any problem with 
printing. And setting it up as 4 separate pages is a PITA when trying to 
see what the outside spread (front and back covers)  will look like.

Our quickstart material tends to be heavy on diagrams, light on text, so 
we tend to use free-standing text boxes on the page.  I set up one 11x17 
master with guide lines indicating columns and gutters, then another for 
printing that doesn't have the lines. We just have to remember to apply 
the printing master before PDF-ing. If your material is mostly text, it 
probably makes more sense to set up a master with 4 text flows, and you 
can probably use that as-is for both layout and printing.

Tori Muir
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On 8/6/12 10:15 AM, Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
> Nancy, the answer depends on whether you're printing this.
>
> If you're having it printed professionally, most printers have 
> imposition tools and would prefer that you leave the imposition to 
> them (so give them four separate pages and tell them you want page 4 
> facing page 1 on the outside and page 2 facing page 3 on the inside). 
> Mollye's right, though, you should ask the printer first.
>
> If you are the printer, it might be easier to design it as two 11x17 
> pages.
>
> Kenneth Benson
> Pegasus Type
> www.pegtype.com
>
> On 8/6/2012 11:32 AM, Nancy Allison wrote:
>> In 20+ years of using FrameMaker, I've never had to do this before.
>>
>> I need to create a template for a four-page Quick Start Card that 
>> will print on a piece of 11 x 17 paper that will be folded once to 
>> produce four pages.
>>
>> I don't know how this is done. Do I:
>>
>> --Create four regular 8.5 x 11" pages and select print options so 
>> pages 4 and 1 will print on one side of the 11 x 17" page, and sides 
>> 2 and 3 will print on the other side?
>>
>> --Create a template with an 11 x 17" page size with the four text 
>> flows already established? (Is it possible Adobe provides such a 
>> template? I looked, but did not find one in the Templates folder.)
>>
>> Any tips gratefully received.
>>
>> --Nancy
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Re: Importing paragraph formats

[Tori Muir]

  
  
Simpler still: Use Fred Ridder's technique:

1) Copy any paragraph of the desired format from the
  source file.
  2) Paste it into the target file.
  3) Use the Paragraph Designer to add the paragraph format to the
  current file's catalog.
  4) Delete the pasted paragraph.
   
  -FR 


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On 8/21/11 1:55 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote:

  Another way is to delete all but the "wanted" formats. Be
sure not to save over (meaning either don't save or do a save as
something else). Then in your target document, file, import,
paragraph formats. 
  
  
  Hope that helps!

Kristy
  
On Aug 21, 2011, at 3:50 PM, "Baruch Brodersen" bar...@technitext.com
wrote:

  
  
Tim,
  
  Yes. You can do import single paragraph, character, and
  conditional text formats with a MIF fragment. To do that:
  
  Save the FM file containing the paragraph format you want
  as a MIF file.
  Use MIF Browse to locate, select and copy the paragraph
  format. 
  http://www.wideman-one.com/gw/tech/framemaker/mifbrowse.htm
  
  Paste that MIF code in a text editor. In addition to the
  paragraph format, you'll also need the 
  
  PgfCatalog 
   Pgf 
  
  tags, as well as the 
  
    # end of Pgf
   # end of PgfCatalog 
  ## End of MIFFile
  
  closing tags
  
  In the text file, make sure to include a MIFFILE header is
  at the top of the page. It should look something like
  this:
  "MIFFile 7.00 # Generated by FrameMaker 7.0p579"
  You can grab a MIFFILe header from any MIF file and use
  that.
  Save the MIF fragment, and then open it in FrameMaker. It
  should appear as a blank page. 
  Import in paragraph formats from the MIF fragment into the
  Frame document.
  Voila.
  
  If you run into problems, send me the file and I'll make
  one for you.
  
  best,
  
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Re: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Tori Muir]

  
  
Funny, one of the hot new features of InDesign CS5 was the ability
to... you guessed it, add multiple page sizes to a singe document! 
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On 6/23/11 6:11 PM, Writer wrote:

  

  
Meh. It's a good way
  to learn something new. I do it all the time. Having no
  pride helps. ;-)
  
  Nadine
  
  --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Tim Pann tp...@telecomsys.com
  wrote:
  
From: Tim Pann tp...@telecomsys.com
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a
book
To: "David Spreadbury" dspre...@yahoo.com,
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 6:28 PM


  
  
Yes, leave it to me to flaunt my
ignorance rather than being the learning lurker.
  J I stand corrected.
 
Tim
 

  From: David Spreadbury
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  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:25 PM
  To: Tim Pann;
  framers@lists.frameusers.com; RichardCombs
  Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page
  into a file in a book

 

  

  
There is a
  very nice discussion on this very topic at
  
http://objectmix.com/adobe-framemaker/218597-mixed-page-size-framemaker.html
  
  Mixing page sizes in one template is not
  the way to go. As Richard points out.
  
  

  

  

 
  
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I suspect the answer is 'no', but...

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Client has a product whose name includes a superscript (pause for 
2-minute hate session -- why do clients think it's so clever to do that? 
Creates baskets of hassle!) When we create cross-references to text 
which includes that product name, it's not superscripted in the 
cross-ref text.


I don't suppose there's any way to get it to be superscripted in the 
cross-ref text?


If (as I suspect) there is no way to do so, the only thing I can think 
of doing is as a very last step before PDF, create a 'disposable' copy 
of the book, run thru it for all cross-refs containing that product name 
and convert them to text. Then generate PDF and manually add links to 
those cross-refs in the PDF. Is there a better way?


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Re: I suspect the answer is 'no', but...

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Hmmm... we're using Frame 9. I know the template has a superscript
character tag in it, but the production artist might not be using it
correctly -- good thing to check! 
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David Spreadbury wrote:

  

  
Tori,
You don't mention what version of Frame you are using, but I tried it
in Frame 7.2 and it worked just fine.

You need to create a Character Format for superscript. In the Character
Designer leave everything As Is except check the Superscript check-box.

In Frame, apply the character format to the portion of your product
that is to be superscripted. Create a cross-reference to that,
typically, heading, and voila, the cross-ref looks just like the
heading.

I create a title containing My Product1, and superscripted the 1.

The cross-reference was to the title content
URL\'elemtext\' which gives me, in Blue "My Product1"
(with the 1 superscripted).

--- On Mon, 3/14/11, Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com
wrote:
    
From: Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com
Subject: I suspect the answer is 'no', but...
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 6:21 PM
  
  Client has a product whose name
includes a superscript (pause for 2-minute hate session -- why do
clients think it's so clever to do that? Creates baskets of hassle!)
When we create cross-references to text which includes that product
name, it's not superscripted in the cross-ref text.
  
I don't suppose there's any way to get it to be superscripted in the
cross-ref text?
  
If (as I suspect) there is no way to do so, the only thing I can think
of doing is as a very last step before PDF, create a 'disposable' copy
of the book, run thru it for all cross-refs containing that product
name and convert them to text. Then generate PDF and manually add links
to those cross-refs in the PDF. Is there a better way?
      
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Re: I suspect the answer is 'no', but...

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And further to this point: production artist has confirmed she was not
using the character tag -- David's correct, if the tag is used, all
works as it should. 
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Tori Muir wrote:

  
Hmmm... we're using Frame 9. I know the template has a superscript
character tag in it, but the production artist might not be using it
correctly -- good thing to check! 
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  Tori,
You don't mention what version of Frame you are using, but I tried it
in Frame 7.2 and it worked just fine.
  
You need to create a Character Format for superscript. In the Character
Designer leave everything As Is except check the Superscript check-box.
  
In Frame, apply the character format to the portion of your product
that is to be superscripted. Create a cross-reference to that,
typically, heading, and voila, the cross-ref looks just like the
heading.
  
I create a title containing My Product1, and superscripted the 1.
  
The cross-reference was to the title content
URL\'elemtext\' which gives me, in Blue "My Product1"
(with the 1 superscripted).
  
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wrote:
      
From: Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com
Subject: I suspect the answer is 'no', but...
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 6:21 PM

Client has a product whose name
includes a superscript (pause for 2-minute hate session -- why do
clients think it's so clever to do that? Creates baskets of hassle!)
When we create cross-references to text which includes that product
name, it's not superscripted in the cross-ref text.

I don't suppose there's any way to get it to be superscripted in the
cross-ref text?

If (as I suspect) there is no way to do so, the only thing I can think
of doing is as a very last step before PDF, create a 'disposable' copy
of the book, run thru it for all cross-refs containing that product
name and convert them to text. Then generate PDF and manually add links
to those cross-refs in the PDF. Is there a better way?
    
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I suspect the answer is 'no', but...

[Tori Muir]

Client has a product whose name includes a superscript (pause for 
2-minute hate session -- why do clients think it's so clever to do that? 
Creates baskets of hassle!) When we create cross-references to text 
which includes that product name, it's not superscripted in the 
cross-ref text.

I don't suppose there's any way to get it to be superscripted in the 
cross-ref text?

If (as I suspect) there is no way to do so, the only thing I can think 
of doing is as a very last step before PDF, create a 'disposable' copy 
of the book, run thru it for all cross-refs containing that product name 
and convert them to text. Then generate PDF and manually add links to 
those cross-refs in the PDF. Is there a better way?

-- 
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Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?

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On the other hand, faced with clients who keep asking me to port their 
Frame manuals into Word so they can make text edits, I would welcome a 
relatively inexpensive 'Frame Light product. As it presently stands, 
clients will not buy Frame, and find PDF markup cumbersome for extensive 
edits. It's not a case of them wanting to pull the project into Word -- 
they know Frame has superior long doc handling/numbering/cross 
refs/indexing/PDF-generation, and are happy to pay us to format in Frame 
to gain access to those benefits in the manuals. But they don't want to 
buy a $1000 program to be able to edit more easily.


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Dr Rick Smith wrote:

I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a 
Light version of their product.

I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things 
never thrive.

If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix 
versions?

Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the competition, 
like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work reliably. This 
fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those of us who don't 
have the patience to fix such things by hand.

And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy a copy of Illustrator. 


I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want.

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On the other hand, faced with clients who keep asking me to port their 
Frame manuals into Word so they can make text edits, I would welcome a 
relatively inexpensive 'Frame Light" product. As it presently stands, 
clients will not buy Frame, and find PDF markup cumbersome for extensive 
edits. It's not a case of them wanting to pull the project into Word -- 
they know Frame has superior long doc handling/numbering/cross 
refs/indexing/PDF-generation, and are happy to pay us to format in Frame 
to gain access to those benefits in the manuals. But they don't want to 
buy a $1000 program to be able to edit more easily.

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Dr Rick Smith wrote:
> I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the 
> market for a "Light" version of their product.
>
> I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things 
> never thrive.
>
> If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix 
> versions?
>
> Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the 
> competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work 
> reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those 
> of us who don't have the patience to fix such things by hand.
>
> And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a 
> printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my 
> simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy 
> a copy of Illustrator. 
>
> I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want.
>
> Rick Smith.
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Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4

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PREACH IT sister!

Not only is the Stalin gray interface fugly and depressing (and much 
darker than Adobe's other fugly gray interfaces), the whole pod/docking 
behavior is incredibly time-wasting. Everything seems to want to glue 
itself into everything else! Maybe it's a sign of having become a 
dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much 
faster to work with.


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Davis, Jessica D. wrote:

On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing.
Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they
call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the
pods.  Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions.  After
you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but
it's not.  Some other variable further down the list may actually be
deleted.  And if you delete too many, Frame crashes.  (BTW-the
work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the
document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several
writers working on the project who complained about this problem. Also,
I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog.  Then to
reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod.  I just find
the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much screen
real estate.  



-

rant

Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast,
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that
Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic
designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

/rant

Thanks,
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PREACH IT sister!

Not only is the "Stalin gray" interface fugly and depressing (and much 
darker than Adobe's other fugly gray interfaces), the whole pod/docking 
behavior is incredibly time-wasting. Everything seems to want to glue 
itself into everything else! Maybe it's a sign of having become a 
dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much 
faster to work with.

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Davis, Jessica D. wrote:
> On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing.
> Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they
> call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the
> pods.  Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions.  After
> you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but
> it's not.  Some other variable further down the list may actually be
> deleted.  And if you delete too many, Frame crashes.  (BTW-the
> work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the
> document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several
> writers working on the project who complained about this problem. Also,
> I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog.  Then to
> reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod.  I just find
> the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much screen
> real estate.  
>
>
> -
>
> 
>
> Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
> recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast,
> monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS
> IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.
>
> There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in
> programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of
> colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours
> and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The
> precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what
> it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.
>
> Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that
> Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember
> that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car
> painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been
> discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.
>
> I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic
> designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming
> influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show
> them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY
> experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the
> artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.
>
> The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.
>
> 
>
> Thanks,
> Jess
>
>
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Yoicks! Need to clean up very crufty Frame files

[Tori Muir]

Just inherited a set of manuals that have 238 (yes, I really did count 
them) paragraph formats. Let's not even go there on character formats, 
cross-ref formats, and etc. In 20+ years of working with Frame I have 
never seen anything like this.


These are ~100-page manuals, so as far as I can tell most of the styles 
are not used, just accumulation from years and years and years of one 
person iteratively adapting a single template, just adding new stuff 
whenever she felt it was needed.


How on earth can these books be cleaned up without losing things like 
cross refs and index markers? I have clean, well-built templates the 
info could be moved into, but how to do that while keeping the template 
clean? Would the best solution be just bite the bullet and blow 
everything out to plain text and start over?


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Yoicks! Need to clean up very crufty Frame files

[Tori Muir]

Just inherited a set of manuals that have 238 (yes, I really did count 
them) paragraph formats. Let's not even go there on character formats, 
cross-ref formats, and etc. In 20+ years of working with Frame I have 
never seen anything like this.

These are ~100-page manuals, so as far as I can tell most of the styles 
are not used, just accumulation from years and years and years of one 
person iteratively adapting a single template, just adding new stuff 
whenever she felt it was needed.

How on earth can these books be cleaned up without losing things like 
cross refs and index markers? I have clean, well-built templates the 
info could be moved into, but how to do that while keeping the template 
clean? Would the best solution be just bite the bullet and blow 
everything out to plain text and start over?

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Re: Frame on the Mac

[Tori Muir]

Brag #2:  my team use Frame 9 on Windoze XP  on Intel Macs running 
Parallels (another virtual machine program like VMWare Fusion). Works 
flawlessly, although it does take a few minutes to boot up. But since it 
can boot up Windows in the background while doing other things on the 
Mac, it's not a big problem.  Like Rick, we have no performance complaints.


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On 7/24/10 6:50 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote:

On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31 AM, boe...@gedok.com wrote:

   

Hi, there,

we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the mac. 
Adobe got us on the wrong foot with discontinuing Framemaker on the mac... :-(
 


Brag: I'm using Frame 9 on an Intel Mac Pro
Admission: It's running on Windows 7 using VMWare Fusion.
Another admission: I'm a technical geek. I also have two separate displays and 
enough RAM to run two operating systems.

In any case, let me ask how others are running PC versions of Frame on the Mac. 
For a while I wondered why so many people still use Frame 7, but I assume it's 
because lots of people still run it on a Mac.

My own solution might not work for everyone. Installation is nasty, since you 
have to install VMWare, Windows, and Framemaker, and keep Windows up to date as 
well as OS X.

Once it's running, it is as if I am using two separate computers with the same 
keyboard and mouse. One display shows Windows and the other shows OS X. I find 
it easiest to keep each OS on a separate display.

I have no performance complaints. There are practical disadvantages since I am 
essentially running two separate computers, each with its own hard drive. I use 
Microsoft's free SyncToy to keep an up to date copy of my files on the Windows 
hard drive and in the OS-X file system (where Time Machine backs it up).

VMWare also has a mode called Unity in which the PC applications appear in 
their own windows on the Mac desktop. I tried that briefly, but found it confusing. 
Others might have better luck.

Rick Smith.


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Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

[Tori Muir]

In terms of the ability to see PDFs like they do, having Adobe Reader
on the same system as Adobe Acrobat is not going to assist you. In terms
of proper engineering and QA discipline, such testing should occur on a
system that has only the operating system installed, no extra fonts
installed, and Adobe Reader set with all default options. Otherwise, your
tests are somewhat polluted by your environment.


Dov, we use this feature for 'testing' PDFs in which we have enabled 
Acrobat Reader rights. We have a lot of clients who simply will not 
spend the money to get Acrobat, so either we give them Reader-enabled 
PDFs or they send us shudder hardcopy edits.  No idea why,  but  
sometimes that rights-enabling doesn't 'stick', and we've sent a client 
a PDF they could not add edits to.  So now we always open the saved PDF 
in Reader to double-check it can indeed be edited in Reader (on a 
separate computer that hasn't got Acrobat, I hasten to add).


tori
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Frame on the Mac

[Tori Muir]

Brag #2:  my team use Frame 9 on Windoze XP  on Intel Macs running 
Parallels (another virtual machine program like VMWare Fusion). Works 
flawlessly, although it does take a few minutes to boot up. But since it 
can boot up Windows in the background while doing other things on the 
Mac, it's not a big problem.  Like Rick, we have no performance complaints.

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On 7/24/10 6:50 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31 AM, boenat at gedok.com wrote:
>
>
>> Hi, there,
>>
>> we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the 
>> mac. Adobe got us on the wrong foot with discontinuing Framemaker on the 
>> mac... :-(
>>  
>
> Brag: I'm using Frame 9 on an Intel Mac Pro
> Admission: It's running on Windows 7 using VMWare Fusion.
> Another admission: I'm a technical geek. I also have two separate displays 
> and enough RAM to run two operating systems.
>
> In any case, let me ask how others are running PC versions of Frame on the 
> Mac. For a while I wondered why so many people still use Frame 7, but I 
> assume it's because lots of people still run it on a Mac.
>
> My own solution might not work for everyone. Installation is nasty, since you 
> have to install VMWare, Windows, and Framemaker, and keep Windows up to date 
> as well as OS X.
>
> Once it's running, it is as if I am using two separate computers with the 
> same keyboard and mouse. One display shows Windows and the other shows OS X. 
> I find it easiest to keep each OS on a separate display.
>
> I have no performance complaints. There are practical disadvantages since I 
> am essentially running two separate computers, each with its own hard drive. 
> I use Microsoft's free SyncToy to keep an up to date copy of my files on the 
> Windows hard drive and in the OS-X file system (where Time Machine backs it 
> up).
>
> VMWare also has a mode called "Unity" in which the PC applications appear in 
> their own windows on the Mac desktop. I tried that briefly, but found it 
> confusing. Others might have better luck.
>
> Rick Smith.
>
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Acrobat 9 - a disaster

[Tori Muir]

> In terms of the ability to "see PDFs like they do," having Adobe Reader
> on the same system as Adobe Acrobat is not going to assist you. In terms
> of proper engineering and QA discipline, such testing should occur on a
> system that has only the operating system installed, no "extra fonts"
> installed, and Adobe Reader set with all default options. Otherwise, your
> tests are somewhat polluted by your environment.

Dov, we use this feature for 'testing' PDFs in which we have enabled 
Acrobat Reader rights. We have a lot of clients who simply will not 
spend the money to get Acrobat, so either we give them Reader-enabled 
PDFs or they send us <> hardcopy edits.  No idea why,  but  
sometimes that rights-enabling doesn't 'stick', and we've sent a client 
a PDF they could not add edits to.  So now we always open the saved PDF 
in Reader to double-check it can indeed be edited in Reader (on a 
separate computer that hasn't got Acrobat, I hasten to add).

tori

Re: Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

[Tori Muir]

Thanks, good suggestion!

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On 6/17/10 6:25 AM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:

I don't know anything about going from FM to Eclipse Help directly, but if they 
use TCS2 they can do FM to RH to Eclipse Help.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:54 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Client Needs FrameMaker --  Eclipse Help provider

My apologies if this is not the sort of post one is supposed to send to this 
list, but there are so many deeply knowledgeable folks here that I suspect it 
would be a far better source of referrals/responses than anywhere else we can 
try.

A client needs someone who can turn FrameMaker manuals into Eclipse help. 
Naturally, they have only informed us of this *now*, a week from the software 
ship date (anyone surprised? No, I didn't think so).
They've had poor luck using job boards -- a tsunami of dubiously-qualified 
respondents, and not enough time to evaluate.  Any recommendations on how to 
find a provider? I don't think geography is a consideration, this could all be 
done remotely.

Thanks for any recommendations of boards/services/individuals!

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Re: Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

[Tori Muir]

Good golly. I think the answer to all of these is 'no', but not even 
sure what HAT is...?


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On 6/17/10 7:26 AM, Bill Swallow wrote:

Do they have an existing stylesheet?
Is this context-sensitive?
Do they require set filenames?
Do they have a HAT they want used or is this a one-off project?

While a week *could* be enough time, my experience shows that
generally with a looming deadline over their heads, details are
overlooked by the client given the rush (or detailed questions are
answered incorrectly) and targets get missed.

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Art Campbellart.campb...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

Shouldn't be a big deal -- Eclipse is a standard format. You could use
either MIF2Go (www.omsys.com) or RoboHelp (part of the TCS2) to generate the
code. (Provided, of course, that they/you have already identified what goes
into the help.)
 
   

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Re: Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

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thanks! Another tiny sector of my ignorance reclaimed...

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On 6/17/10 9:52 AM, Bill Swallow wrote:

Help Authoring Tool (RoboHelp, WebWorks, Mif2Go, Flare...)

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Tori Muirtm...@spot-on-creative.com  wrote:
   

Good golly. I think the answer to all of these is 'no', but not even sure
what HAT is...?
 


   

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Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

[Tori Muir]

Thanks, good suggestion!

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On 6/17/10 6:25 AM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:
> I don't know anything about going from FM to Eclipse Help directly, but if 
> they use TCS2 they can do FM to RH to Eclipse Help.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:54 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Client Needs FrameMaker -->  Eclipse Help provider
>
> My apologies if this is not the sort of post one is supposed to send to this 
> list, but there are so many deeply knowledgeable folks here that I suspect it 
> would be a far better source of referrals/responses than anywhere else we can 
> try.
>
> A client needs someone who can turn FrameMaker manuals into Eclipse help. 
> Naturally, they have only informed us of this *now*, a week from the software 
> ship date (anyone surprised? No, I didn't think so).
> They've had poor luck using job boards -- a tsunami of dubiously-qualified 
> respondents, and not enough time to evaluate.  Any recommendations on how to 
> find a provider? I don't think geography is a consideration, this could all 
> be done remotely.
>
> Thanks for any recommendations of boards/services/individuals!
>
> Tori Muir
> tmuir at spot-on-creative.com
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Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

[Tori Muir]

Good golly. I think the answer to all of these is 'no', but not even 
sure what HAT is...?

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On 6/17/10 7:26 AM, Bill Swallow wrote:
> Do they have an existing stylesheet?
> Is this context-sensitive?
> Do they require set filenames?
> Do they have a HAT they want used or is this a one-off project?
>
> While a week *could* be enough time, my experience shows that
> generally with a looming deadline over their heads, details are
> overlooked by the client given the rush (or detailed questions are
> answered incorrectly) and targets get missed.
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
>
>> Shouldn't be a big deal -- Eclipse is a standard format. You could use
>> either MIF2Go (www.omsys.com) or RoboHelp (part of the TCS2) to generate the
>> code. (Provided, of course, that they/you have already identified what goes
>> into the help.)
>>  
>

Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

[Tori Muir]

thanks! Another tiny sector of my ignorance reclaimed...

Tori Muir
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On 6/17/10 9:52 AM, Bill Swallow wrote:
> Help Authoring Tool (RoboHelp, WebWorks, Mif2Go, Flare...)
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Tori Muir  
> wrote:
>
>> Good golly. I think the answer to all of these is 'no', but not even sure
>> what HAT is...?
>>  
>
>

Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

[Tori Muir]

My apologies if this is not the sort of post one is supposed to send to 
this list, but there are so many deeply knowledgeable folks here that I 
suspect it would be a far better source of referrals/responses than 
anywhere else we can try.


A client needs someone who can turn FrameMaker manuals into Eclipse 
help. Naturally, they have only informed us of this *now*, a week from 
the software ship date (anyone surprised? No, I didn't think so). 
They've had poor luck using job boards -- a tsunami of 
dubiously-qualified respondents, and not enough time to evaluate.  Any 
recommendations on how to find a provider? I don't think geography is a 
consideration, this could all be done remotely.


Thanks for any recommendations of boards/services/individuals!

Tori Muir
tm...@spot-on-creative.com


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Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

[Tori Muir]

My apologies if this is not the sort of post one is supposed to send to 
this list, but there are so many deeply knowledgeable folks here that I 
suspect it would be a far better source of referrals/responses than 
anywhere else we can try.

A client needs someone who can turn FrameMaker manuals into Eclipse 
help. Naturally, they have only informed us of this *now*, a week from 
the software ship date (anyone surprised? No, I didn't think so). 
They've had poor luck using job boards -- a tsunami of 
dubiously-qualified respondents, and not enough time to evaluate.  Any 
recommendations on how to find a provider? I don't think geography is a 
consideration, this could all be done remotely.

Thanks for any recommendations of boards/services/individuals!

Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com

Re: Thought for the day

[Tori Muir]

I found 'nice' to be most troubling after having married a Brit. In that 
US it's a bit of  a limp compliment, but in the UK it carries stronger 
positiveness.  Did you like the curry? It was nice, thanks has a 
totally different effect in the two dialects, especially to her who 
cooked the curry!


And it never fails to crack me up when I hear him say I could just 
murder a glass of water! or they do a gorgeous crab salad -- in 
Amurrican English, we don't use murder or gorgeous that way.


Tori


On 5/27/10 11:53 AM, Writer wrote:

...or trousers as pants.

Nadine

--- On Thu, 5/27/10, Lea Rushl...@astoria-pacific.com  wrote:

   

From: Lea Rushl...@astoria-pacific.com
Subject: RE: Thought for the day
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 2:33 PM
And don't refer to your waist pouch
as a fanny pack. More offended looks ...

 

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On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
 

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:03 AM
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Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Thought for the day

As does rooting for your team, in Australia. Expect a
   

few startled looks,
then
 

grins . . .

In case anyone wonders about the tech-writing aspect
   

of this discussion,
it's the
 

many tricky highways and byways of localization even
   

within the English
 

language.

--Nancy

On May 27, 2010, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
syed.hos...@aeris.net
   

wrote:
 

And ... offering to give someone a ride in your car in
   

the UK has quite a
different
 

connotation from the use in the US. :)

Z
   

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Thought for the day

[Tori Muir]

I found 'nice' to be most troubling after having married a Brit. In that 
US it's a bit of  a limp compliment, but in the UK it carries stronger 
positiveness.  "Did you like the curry?" "It was nice, thanks" has a 
totally different effect in the two dialects, especially to her who 
cooked the curry!

And it never fails to crack me up when I hear him say "I could just 
murder a glass of water!" or "they do a gorgeous crab salad" -- in 
Amurrican English, we don't use "murder" or "gorgeous" that way.

Tori


On 5/27/10 11:53 AM, Writer wrote:
> ...or trousers as pants.
>
> Nadine
>
> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Lea Rush  wrote:
>
>
>> From: Lea Rush
>> Subject: RE: Thought for the day
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 2:33 PM
>> And don't refer to your waist pouch
>> as a fanny pack. More offended looks ...
>>
>>  
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>>>
>> [mailto:framers-
>>  
>>> bounces at lists.frameusers.com]
>>>
>> On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
>>  
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:03 AM
>>> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
>>> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>>>
>>> As does rooting for your team, in Australia. Expect a
>>>
>> few startled looks,
>> then
>>  
>>> grins . . .
>>>
>>> In case anyone wonders about the tech-writing aspect
>>>
>> of this discussion,
>> it's the
>>  
>>> many tricky highways and byways of localization even
>>>
>> within the English
>>  
>>> language.
>>>
>>> --Nancy
>>>
>>> On May 27, 2010, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
>>> 
>>>
>> wrote:
>>  
>>> And ... offering to give someone a ride in your car in
>>>
>> the UK has quite a
>> different
>>  
>>> connotation from the use in the US. :)
>>>
>>> Z
>>>
>> _
>> Lea Rush
>> Software and Documentation Specialist
>> Astoria-Pacific International
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Re: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter

[Tori Muir]

I can't speak for Mary's document(s), but in the case of our document, 
it's that way because the client decided they wanted the chapter titles 
and subtitles to run vertically up the left side of the first page in 
each chapter. Even better, they decided this at the last minute for a 
400+-page manual that was already completely formatted.


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On 4/19/10 4:02 PM, Mike Bradley wrote:

NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame
 

to the body page
   

instead of the master page. If you did that, you'll have to reapply the
 

First master page to fix it.

[MB]
Why is the chapter title in a text frame in the first place? Are you using
effects that can't be created by character and paragraph tags?

= Mike Bradley
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Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter

[Tori Muir]

I can't speak for Mary's document(s), but in the case of our document, 
it's that way because the client decided they wanted the chapter titles 
and subtitles to run vertically up the left side of the first page in 
each chapter. Even better, they decided this at the last minute for a 
400+-page manual that was already completely formatted.

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On 4/19/10 4:02 PM, Mike Bradley wrote:
>> NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame
>>  
> to the body page
>
>> instead of the master page. If you did that, you'll have to reapply the
>>  
> First master page to fix it.
>
> [MB]
> Why is the chapter title in a text frame in the first place? Are you using
> effects that can't be created by character and paragraph tags?
>
> = Mike Bradley
> www.techpubs.com
>
>
>

Re: Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Tori Muir]

Something else that can help speed up the translation to PDF: if any of 
the artwork uses Illustrator's Effects, have the artist expand the 
appearance of all objects, then do an object cleanup (Object  Path  
Cleanup) and resave. Reimport to FrameMaker.  Especially if the objects 
are appearing on each page, even a small improvement in processing time 
will add up.


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On 4/14/10 2:42 PM, Combs, Richard wrote:

Pete Roebber wrote:

   

You're not using OLE (File  Import  Object), are you? Use File  Import
File. What format are the graphics?
IIRC, FM 9 supports native Illustrator (.ai) file import. What file size
   

are they?

I'm using File  Import  File to import .ai files. The graphics files are
~1MB each.

 

I'd look at two things. First, if the AI files are really big, see if
   

they can be optimized to cut down the file size,
 

or try exporting to other formats.
   

Is 1MB really big? I've also tried JPG, with file sizes around 200K. Didn't
seem to make a big difference, though I didn't try doing a whole manual
that way.
 

Well, it strikes me as big for vector drawings, but I'm not very knowledgeable 
about AI files. Are there gradient fills, or something similar?

I'd strongly advise against JPG, which should be reserved for continuous-tone 
images, i.e., photographs. But you might do a timed test comparing AI files 
with, say, PNG. Presumably, you're only talking about changing three or so 
master pages, so comparing two complete versions of the manual shouldn't take 
any longer than it takes to import page layouts to all the files in a copy of 
the book.

   

Second, look at your Distiller joboptions settings. Depending on the
   

intended destination
 

of the PDF (on-screen vs. office printer vs. high-quality press), you may
   

be able to use a different joboptions file or
 

tweak the compression/downsampling settings.
   

I always use Standard. I publish the PDF to the Web so it has to be high
enough quality in case customers want to print, but still keep the file
size reasonable.
 

In Distiller, select Settings  Edit Adobe PDF Settings to look at and tweak 
the Standard.joboptions file (you can save changes under a different name). Or 
just for grins, try using the Smallest File Size setting and compare the speed and 
quality.

   

Oh, and one other thing. When you say 1 hour print times, are you
   

talking about the time to create the PDF or the time to
 

print the PDF on an office printer? If the latter, check how much memory
   

the printer has and/or try different printers.

 

If the former -- wow. You _are_ using the Adobe PDF printer instance,
   

right?

Former. I use, from the book file, File/Save AS PDF, and select Standard
as the quality setting. Wow is right!
 

Unless you have Sundorne's SetPrint plug-in or you manually change it in Print 
Setup, FM uses your system's default printer for Save As PDF -- that's the 
chief cause of the problems people have with Save As PDF. Use only the Adobe 
PDF printer for PDFs, either by manually changing to it or by using SetPrint to 
automatically change FM's printer when it starts.

That's all I've got, so I'm directing the conversation back to the list in case anyone 
else has something to contribute. Wisdom of the crowd, you know. :-)


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Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Tori Muir]

Something else that can help speed up the translation to PDF: if any of 
the artwork uses Illustrator's Effects, have the artist expand the 
appearance of all objects, then do an object cleanup (Object > Path > 
Cleanup) and resave. Reimport to FrameMaker.  Especially if the objects 
are appearing on each page, even a small improvement in processing time 
will add up.

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On 4/14/10 2:42 PM, Combs, Richard wrote:
> Pete Roebber wrote:
>
>
>>> You're not using OLE (File>  Import>  Object), are you? Use File>  Import
>>> File. What format are the graphics?
>>> IIRC, FM 9 supports native Illustrator (.ai) file import. What file size
>>>
>> are they?
>>
>> I'm using File>  Import>  File to import .ai files. The graphics files are
>> ~1MB each.
>>
>>  
>>> I'd look at two things. First, if the AI files are really big, see if
>>>
>> they can be "optimized" to cut down the file size,
>>  
>>> or try exporting to other formats.
>>>
>> Is 1MB really big? I've also tried JPG, with file sizes around 200K. Didn't
>> seem to make a big difference, though I didn't try doing a whole manual
>> that way.
>>  
> Well, it strikes me as big for vector drawings, but I'm not very 
> knowledgeable about AI files. Are there gradient fills, or something similar?
>
> I'd strongly advise against JPG, which should be reserved for continuous-tone 
> images, i.e., photographs. But you might do a timed test comparing AI files 
> with, say, PNG. Presumably, you're only talking about changing three or so 
> master pages, so comparing two complete versions of the manual shouldn't take 
> any longer than it takes to import page layouts to all the files in a copy of 
> the book.
>
>
>>> Second, look at your Distiller joboptions settings. Depending on the
>>>
>> intended destination
>>  
>>> of the PDF (on-screen vs. office printer vs. high-quality press), you may
>>>
>> be able to use a different joboptions file or
>>  
>>> tweak the compression/downsampling settings.
>>>
>> I always use "Standard." I publish the PDF to the Web so it has to be high
>> enough quality in case customers want to print, but still keep the file
>> size reasonable.
>>  
> In Distiller, select Settings>  Edit Adobe PDF Settings to look at and tweak 
> the Standard.joboptions file (you can save changes under a different name). 
> Or just for grins, try using the Smallest File Size setting and compare the 
> speed and quality.
>
>
>>> Oh, and one other thing. When you say ">1 hour print times," are you
>>>
>> talking about the time to create the PDF or the time to
>>  
>>> print the PDF on an office printer? If the latter, check how much memory
>>>
>> the printer has and/or try different printers.
>>
>>  
>>> If the former -- wow. You _are_ using the Adobe PDF printer instance,
>>>
>> right?
>>
>> Former. I use, from the book file, File/Save AS PDF, and select "Standard"
>> as the quality setting. Wow is right!
>>  
> Unless you have Sundorne's SetPrint plug-in or you manually change it in 
> Print Setup, FM uses your system's default printer for Save As PDF -- that's 
> the chief cause of the problems people have with Save As PDF. Use only the 
> Adobe PDF printer for PDFs, either by manually changing to it or by using 
> SetPrint to automatically change FM's printer when it starts.
>
> That's all I've got, so I'm directing the conversation back to the list in 
> case anyone else has something to contribute. "Wisdom of the crowd," you 
> know. :-)
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
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How to get EPS with transparent background in Frame?

[Tori Muir]

Am preparing Illustrator EPS graphics for a Frame 9 user (triangle-type 
'warning' symbol). She needs them to have a transparent background, so I 
am saving as EPS with TIFF 8-bit  color preview, and transparent. 
Nonetheless, when she imports them they have a white background. I have 
tried saving as CS2 EPS, and Illustrator 10 EPS, with the same results.


How does one get Frame 9 to acknowledge the transparency in an EPS file?

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How to get EPS with transparent background in Frame?

[Tori Muir]

Am preparing Illustrator EPS graphics for a Frame 9 user (triangle-type 
'warning' symbol). She needs them to have a transparent background, so I 
am saving as EPS with TIFF 8-bit  color preview, and transparent. 
Nonetheless, when she imports them they have a white background. I have 
tried saving as CS2 EPS, and Illustrator 10 EPS, with the same results.

How does one get Frame 9 to acknowledge the transparency in an EPS file?

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Semi-tangential: Symbol font is not being correctly embedded in FrameMaker PDF

[Tori Muir]

I have a document that uses Symbol to add arrows to the text.   Frame 
7.1 with Acrobat Distiller 6.0 (yes, it's outdated, but it's worked just 
fine until today) on Win XP, which is in turn running on Parallels.

The Symbol characters are fine in FrameMaker. I print to a .ps file, 
then run through Distiller. But as of today Distiller can't  'find' the 
Symbol font, so it's using Courier instead. I don't know how that can 
happen, since Symbol is  installed (it couldn't be used in the 
FrameMaker document if it wasn't).  The font is getting properly 
specified in the postscript file because I can move the .ps file to my 
Macintosh and distill via Acrobat Distiller 9.2, and that PDF is 
correct. But was hoping someone has a bright idea why Acrobat Distiller 
has suddenly decided it can't find Symbol, and even better,  a way to 
fix it


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Semi-tangential: Symbol font is not being correctly embedded in FrameMaker PDF

[Tori Muir]

I have a document that uses Symbol to add arrows to the text.   Frame 
7.1 with Acrobat Distiller 6.0 (yes, it's outdated, but it's worked just 
fine until today) on Win XP, which is in turn running on Parallels.

The Symbol characters are fine in FrameMaker. I print to a .ps file, 
then run through Distiller. But as of today Distiller can't  'find' the 
Symbol font, so it's using Courier instead. I don't know how that can 
happen, since Symbol is  installed (it couldn't be used in the 
FrameMaker document if it wasn't).  The font is getting properly 
specified in the postscript file because I can move the .ps file to my 
Macintosh and distill via Acrobat Distiller 9.2, and that PDF is 
correct. But was hoping someone has a bright idea why Acrobat Distiller 
has suddenly decided it can't find Symbol, and even better,  a way to 
fix it


Tori Muir
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www.spot-on-creative.com

Re: How to find Unavailable Fonts

[Tori Muir]

They can be in EPS graphics, for one. Not sure if an embedded PDF would 
trigger the problem, since theoretically the PDF would either have the 
fonts embedded in itself, or make an on-the-fly substitution.


Tori

On 1/11/10 11:20 AM, l...@farmedia.com wrote:
 I vaguely remember that fonts can also be stored in graphic files-in certain
 graphic file formats.  If you have graphic files in your book, that might be
 a clue..



 I encountered the same problem years earlier before but can't recall how I
 resolved it. I only remember frustration at looking everywhere for the
 reference to the font and not finding it.



 Lynn





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Re: Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0

[Tori Muir]

Having just completed rebuilding a 450-page Frame book that my client
created by importing a Word doc, then round-tripping chunks of content
between Frame and Word a couple of times, I'd second that. Word metadata can
really munge up a Frame document. It got so bad that attempting to open a
cross-reference in certain chapters would crash Frame every time, and it was
impossible to print the book.  Added bonus of rebuilding is we've *finally*
gotten rid of the wretched 'missing font' messages. Skipped the step about
saving to a text file, though-- just copied and pasted chunks from Word,
choosing the Edit  Paste Special  Unformatted Text option.

Also, re Art's suggestion to bring in graphics that have been embedded in
Word by saving to HTML, that creates a low-resolution .gif version of the
graphic. I find the extra hassle of re-creating the graphics by copying and
pasting from Word into Photoshop/Paint worth it due to the superior graphic
quality. 

Tori Muir


On 7/13/09 2:43 PM, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

 
 As a novice Frame user, I am currently doing the same thing (taking a 350 page
 Word manual and moving to FrameMaker 9).
 
 As a long time, highly skilled Word user, I know from experience that there is
 a mountain of invisible crap in the Word doc - so my best advice is to not
 import the Word document at all!
 
 Instead, save the Word doc as a text file, open the text file in something
 like Notepad, then copy in the plain text and completely reformat the Frame
 doc from scratch. This may be more work in the short term, but you'll create a
 better template and avoid any hassles that importing Word files could cause
 down the road.
 
 Yes, this means you have to deal with everything (graphics, master pages, etc)
 from scratch. But it also gives you the chance to begin your Frame career with
 a best practices for FrameMaker approach rather than a I have to live with
 Word-defined stuff even though I'm now working in Frame approach.
 
 I have no doubt this is taking me longer, but I am more confident about the
 results.
 
 Alison
 
  
 
  
 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
 Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:25 PM
 To: Flato, Gillian
 Cc: Framers List
 Subject: Re: Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0
 
 The procedures and best practices for importing Word files are still
 the same as for earlier versions of Frame...
 Usually, the best results are obtained by saving s RTF in Word and
 opening that file... Graphics, if they're embedded in the Word file,
 can be recreated by saving the Word as HTML, then they can be imported
 by reference in Frame.
 
 Probably the most important thing she needs to master quickly is the
 idea of using a book to manage more smaller files...
 
 Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
   No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
 
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Flato, Gilliangfl...@nanometrics.com wrote:
 A cousin of mine is a complete novice on Frame. She is buying Frame v9.0
 and importing a 300 page Word manual into it. (After editing the 1rst
 edition of the manual in Word, she said, never again). I have never seen
 Frame v9.0, I still use Frame v8.0.
 
 How does Frame v9.0 map Word Paragraph styles? Does it do a better job
 than Frame v8? What does she need to do first to ensure an easy and
 successful import?
 
 Any recommendations for some good online training classes for Frame
 v9.0?
 
 
 Thank you,
 
 
 
 mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com
 
 Gillian Flato
 
 Technical Writer (Software)
 
 nanometrics
 
 1550 Buckeye Dr.
 
 Milpitas, CA. 95035
 
 (408.545.6316
 
 7  408.232.5911
 
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Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0

[Tori Muir]

Having just completed rebuilding a 450-page Frame book that my client
created by importing a Word doc, then round-tripping chunks of content
between Frame and Word a couple of times, I'd second that. Word metadata can
really munge up a Frame document. It got so bad that attempting to open a
cross-reference in certain chapters would crash Frame every time, and it was
impossible to print the book.  Added bonus of rebuilding is we've *finally*
gotten rid of the wretched 'missing font' messages. Skipped the step about
saving to a text file, though-- just copied and pasted chunks from Word,
choosing the Edit > Paste Special > Unformatted Text option.

Also, re Art's suggestion to bring in graphics that have been embedded in
Word by saving to HTML, that creates a low-resolution .gif version of the
graphic. I find the extra hassle of re-creating the graphics by copying and
pasting from Word into Photoshop/Paint worth it due to the superior graphic
quality. 

Tori Muir


On 7/13/09 2:43 PM, "Alison Craig"  wrote:

> 
> As a novice Frame user, I am currently doing the same thing (taking a 350 page
> Word manual and moving to FrameMaker 9).
> 
> As a long time, highly skilled Word user, I know from experience that there is
> a mountain of invisible crap in the Word doc - so my best advice is to not
> import the Word document at all!
> 
> Instead, save the Word doc as a text file, open the text file in something
> like Notepad, then copy in the plain text and completely reformat the Frame
> doc from scratch. This may be more work in the short term, but you'll create a
> better template and avoid any hassles that importing Word files could cause
> down the road.
> 
> Yes, this means you have to deal with everything (graphics, master pages, etc)
> from scratch. But it also gives you the chance to begin your Frame career with
> a "best practices for FrameMaker" approach rather than a "I have to live with
> Word-defined stuff even though I'm now working in Frame" approach.
> 
> I have no doubt this is taking me longer, but I am more confident about the
> results.
> 
> Alison
> 
>  
> 
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:25 PM
> To: Flato, Gillian
> Cc: Framers List
> Subject: Re: Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0
> 
> The procedures and best practices for importing Word files are still
> the same as for earlier versions of Frame...
> Usually, the best results are obtained by saving s RTF in Word and
> opening that file... Graphics, if they're embedded in the Word file,
> can be recreated by saving the Word as HTML, then they can be imported
> by reference in Frame.
> 
> Probably the most important thing she needs to master quickly is the
> idea of using a book to manage more smaller files...
> 
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>DoD 358
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Flato, Gillian 
> wrote:
>> A cousin of mine is a complete novice on Frame. She is buying Frame v9.0
>> and importing a 300 page Word manual into it. (After editing the 1rst
>> edition of the manual in Word, she said, never again). I have never seen
>> Frame v9.0, I still use Frame v8.0.
>> 
>> How does Frame v9.0 map Word Paragraph styles? Does it do a better job
>> than Frame v8? What does she need to do first to ensure an easy and
>> successful import?
>> 
>> Any recommendations for some good online training classes for Frame
>> v9.0?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com>
>> 
>> Gillian Flato
>> 
>> Technical Writer (Software)
>> 
>> nanometrics
>> 
>> 1550 Buckeye Dr.
>> 
>> Milpitas, CA. 95035
>> 
>> (408.545.6316
>> 
>> 7 ?408.232.5911
>> 
>> * gflato at nanometrics <mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com> .com
>> 
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