OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

>> According to Israeli tax law, if I purchase a perpetual license for a software application, it's a capital expense. I have to depreciate the purchase over several years. I cannot deduct the full expense from this year's tax return. If I pay a smaller fee for an annual subscription license, I no

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According to Israeli tax law, if I purchase a perpetual license for a software application, it's a capital expense. I have to depreciate the purchase over several years. I cannot deduct the full expense from this year's tax return. If I pay a smaller fee for an annual subscription license, I not

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Indeed, yes. Adobe have steadily reduced the value of their products in favour of increasing marketing expenditure (e.g. the "standardised" UI) and PR, and feature bloat in place of stability and quality software. Now, to increase value for stockholders and to shore up the bottom line, they nee

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> No, the WebWorks subscription expires, just like a trial version. The subscription ends after the four upgrades are released, but if you purchased the perpetual license, you do not lose your ability to use the software even though you do not receive any more upgrades. > It'll be another $800

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> No, the WebWorks subscription expires, just like a trial version. The subscription ends after the four upgrades are released, but if you purchased the perpetual license, you do not lose your ability to use the software even though you do not receive any more upgrades. > It'll be another $800

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No, the WebWorks subscription expires, just like a trial version. It'll be another $800 (or whatever) in a year or the software will stop working. A perpetual license is available, but it's considerably more expensive. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Writer wrote: >>Truth in Advertising Disclosu

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I believe this is the same in the UK. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Shaked Sent: 21 May 2013 20:55 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be

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In the US, you can choose not to depreciate software, provided it meets certain conditions and you haven't exceeded certain limits: http://www.irs.gov/publications/p946/ch02.html For WebWorks, for me the subscription model penciled out as cheaper in the long run. We have to update our browser sup

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I don't see why Adobe should care about a petition if subscription revenues aren't lower than expected. You don't like it, don't subscribe. They'll get the message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list mes

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Cool! Signed! Thanks for sharing. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:10 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

- Original message -- From: Shmuel Wolfson Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Paula Stern If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying is to

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Indeed, yes. Adobe have steadily reduced the value of their products in favour of increasing marketing expenditure (e.g. the "standardised" UI) and PR, and feature bloat in place of stability and quality software. Now, to increase value for stockholders and to shore up the bottom line, they nee

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

re $$. beware of stuff that emanates within clouds If in doubt . . . ask a resident of Oklahoma City. Scrooge Graphic Communications sgmlindy at tds.net - Original Message - From: Shlomo Perets To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:35 PM Subject:

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

The law is the same here, but we have a generous Section 179 deduction that most businesses can use to deduct 100% of all capital expenses each year. I believe there are also some other temporary "stimulus" provisions in place that allow other methods of deducting the full 100%. The subscriptio

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> I'm under the impression that the subscription is about the same price as constant upgrades. Actually, it's substantially more. I looked back and the last two CS upgrades I bought were around $600. The product has an 18-month cycle between upgrades, which means an average of $400 per year--

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying is to keep their access to the software, instead of paying for upgrades due to improvements. This reduces Adobe's incentive to add new features that they normally would add in order to convince people to upgrade. The upside

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re $$. beware of stuff that emanates within clouds If in doubt . . . ask a resident of Oklahoma City. Scrooge Graphic Communications sgmli...@tds.net - Original Message - From: Shlomo Perets To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:35 PM Subject:

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On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: 2013-05-22-Wednesday 12:35 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list m

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rs.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: 2013-05-22-Wednesday 12:35 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

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- From: Lin Sims < <mailto:ljsims.ml at gmail.com> ljsims...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription To: Robert Lauriston < <mailto:robert at lauriston.com> robert at lauriston.com> Cc: <mail

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The law is the same here, but we have a generous Section 179 deduction that most businesses can use to deduct 100% of all capital expenses each year. I believe there are also some other temporary "stimulus" provisions in place that allow other methods of deducting the full 100%. The subscripti

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> I'm under the impression that the subscription is about the same price as constant upgrades. Actually, it's substantially more. I looked back and the last two CS upgrades I bought were around $600. The product has an 18-month cycle between upgrades, which means an average of $400 per year--

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No, the WebWorks subscription expires, just like a trial version. It'll be another $800 (or whatever) in a year or the software will stop working. A perpetual license is available, but it's considerably more expensive. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Writer wrote: >>Truth in Advertising Disclosu

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I believe this is the same in the UK. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Shaked Sent: 21 May 2013 20:55 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software

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Done and FB'd. Alan On 22/05/13 1:09 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > Yes, please sign and pass it on: > http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model > > > Regards, > Shmuel Wolfson > Technical Writer > 052-763-7133 > -- AlphaBy

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- Original message -- From: Shmuel Wolfson Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Paula Stern If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying is to keep the

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>Truth in Advertising Disclosure: I am biased. I am a reseller for a software >application that is sold mainly by subscription (WebWorks ePublisher). But I >purchase other software by subscription, and I prefer it. But even WebWorks offers a perpetual license so that when you stop buying the subs

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

>Truth in Advertising Disclosure: I am biased. I am a reseller for a software >application that is sold mainly by subscription (WebWorks ePublisher). But I >purchase other software by subscription, and I prefer it. But even WebWorks offers a perpetual license so that when you stop buying the subs

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-- From: Lin Sims < <mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com> ljsims...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription To: Robert Lauriston < <mailto:rob...@lauriston.com> rob...@lauriston.com> Cc: <m

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If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying is to keep their access to the software, instead of paying for upgrades due to improvements. This reduces Adobe's incentive to add new features that they normally would add in order to convince people to upgrade. The upside

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An aspect I haven't seen mentioned in this thread: taxes According to Israeli tax law, if I purchase a perpetual license for a software application, it's a capital expense. I have to depreciate the purchase over several years. I cannot deduct the full expense from this year's tax return. If I pay

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Just signed the petition and indicated the following as the reason for signing: "It is really a matter of letting users choose, rather than aggressively force this or that option them. Clearly, many Adobe users are still using older versions because many newer versions/upgrades were mediocre,

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Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 21-May-13 3:30 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote: > >

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lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-man datory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763

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At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote: >Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View >of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) >makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, >TCS/FrameMaker c

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Cool! Signed! Thanks for sharing. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:10 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe

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In the US, you can choose not to depreciate software, provided it meets certain conditions and you haven't exceeded certain limits: http://www.irs.gov/publications/p946/ch02.html For WebWorks, for me the subscription model penciled out as cheaper in the long run. We have to update our browser sup

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Here's mine: I want the availability of my software to be independent of my ability to pay for it. If I'm having a cash-flow problem, the last thing I need is to lose access to the tools that are required to generate my income. I want it to be MY decision as to when I update my software, not

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

An aspect I haven't seen mentioned in this thread: taxes According to Israeli tax law, if I purchase a perpetual license for a software application, it's a capital expense. I have to depreciate the purchase over several years. I cannot deduct the full expense from this year's tax return. If I pay

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...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:10 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org

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essage- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:10 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscript

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-man datory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133

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Done and FB'd. Alan On 22/05/13 1:09 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 -- AlphaByte PO Box 194

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I don't see why Adobe should care about a petition if subscription revenues aren't lower than expected. You don't like it, don't subscribe. They'll get the message.

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Here's mine: I want the availability of my software to be independent of my ability to pay for it. If I'm having a cash-flow problem, the last thing I need is to lose access to the tools that are required to generate my income. I want it to be MY decision as to when I update my software, not

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Just signed the petition and indicated the following as the reason for signing: "It is really a matter of letting users choose, rather than aggressively force this or that option them. Clearly, many Adobe users are still using older versions because many newer versions/upgrades were mediocre,

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Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 21-May-13 3:30 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote: A

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At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote: >Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View >of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) >makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, >TCS/FrameMaker c

Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

Well, yes, that was the problem. Two UI objects have the same name but one is a subset of the other. Why would I expect that? Why does the default workspace show some of the crappy ones instead of all of the more capable ones? Why don't the limited ones have buttons that expand them into the more c

RE: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

unimpressed by that. Maybe that didn't cover this pod thing. Craig > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:11 -0700 > Subject: Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: > OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription > From: rob...@lauriston.

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment suc

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment suc

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Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, *Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe’s View of the Future,* (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next. --Karen ___ You ar

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, *Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe?s View of the Future,* (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next. --Karen -- next part -- An HTML attachme

pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

unimpressed by that. Maybe that didn't cover this pod thing. Craig > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:11 -0700 > Subject: Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: > OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription > From: robert at lauriston.com

pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

Well, yes, that was the problem. Two UI objects have the same name but one is a subset of the other. Why would I expect that? Why does the default workspace show some of the crappy ones instead of all of the more capable ones? Why don't the limited ones have buttons that expand them into the more c

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I'm working on FM10, and those pods exist. Use them every day, and I love them. On the menu bar, click View > Pods and then choose Insets, Cross-References, Conditional Text, Variables, and Markers. Lin On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > Are you sure those features are F

Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

Wow. The same command on two different menus brings up different UIs for the same feature? I guess I'll have to try all of the entries on the Pods menu to see what else I've missed. Does that mean the old UI for applying conditional text is still around somewhere? I found that much more efficient.

pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription Are you sure those features are FM10? That's what I use and I've never seen those. On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Alexandra Duffy wrote: This is what is great, (to me, anyway) - [pasted two graphics which wo

pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

Wow. The same command on two different menus brings up different UIs for the same feature? I guess I'll have to try all of the entries on the Pods menu to see what else I've missed. Does that mean the old UI for applying conditional text is still around somewhere? I found that much more efficient.

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Are you sure those features are FM10? That's what I use and I've never seen those. On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Alexandra Duffy wrote: > This is what is great, (to me, anyway) – > > [pasted two graphics which won’t come through to the list] > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > >

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What's different about markers or cross-references in FM11? In FM10, the pods behave slightly differently than the ancient dialogs as far as placing them on screen (e.g. they won't stay where I put them), but functionally I think they're unchanged as far back as I've been using FM and probably ear

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om] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 1:46 PM > To: Alexandra Duffy; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription > > What's different about markers or cross-references in FM11?

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com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription > only > Message-ID: >mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > How about you doing some reading and making a to-do list of the basic > features that FrameMaker

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The graphics came through. There must be email and listserv improvements being made as well! Craig From: adu...@vectorworks.net To: robert at lauriston.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:56:51 + CC: framers at

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Are you sure those features are FM10? That's what I use and I've never seen those. On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Alexandra Duffy wrote: > This is what is great, (to me, anyway) ? > > [pasted two graphics which won?t come through to the list] > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > >

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What's different about markers or cross-references in FM11? In FM10, the pods behave slightly differently than the ancient dialogs as far as placing them on screen (e.g. they won't stay where I put them), but functionally I think they're unchanged as far back as I've been using FM and probably ear

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he latest stuff work for some people or corporations, fine - but give us the choice if it is not how we want to do business. Alexandra > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 08:11:47 -0700 > From: Robert Lauriston > To: Maxwell Hoffmann , > framers@lists.frameusers.com >

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ces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:31 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > > Customers value a business based on the goods or services

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> >An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the > >plug-ins that people are willing to pay for. > > Good point. > > Nadine Indeed a very good point! For me, book level variables are vital for my specifications ... that is what BookVars from Leximation provides and has yet t

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> >An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the > >plug-ins that people are willing to pay for. > > Good point. > > Nadine Indeed a very good point! For me, book level variables are vital for my specifications ... that is what BookVars from Leximation provides and has yet t

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>An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the >plug-ins that people are willing to pay for.  Good point. Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameuser

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>An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the >plug-ins that people are willing to pay for.? Good point. Nadine

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Or broken by FM9 and added back in as "new features" in later releases. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > Maxwell, I think you are missing the point. > > His comment is in reference to value (however that might be measured) in the > statement "I thought was worth paying

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How about you doing some reading and making a to-do list of the basic features that FrameMaker users have been requesting for years? An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the plug-ins that people are willing to pay for. How are book-level variables, real templates, and exter

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Adobe already controls piracy using activation. The only difference with the subscription model is that your license has a timeout. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Craig Ede wrote: > The subscription model probably does help them deal with piracy. In that > sense, they are urging a part of their

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Or broken by FM9 and added back in as "new features" in later releases. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > Maxwell, I think you are missing the point. > > His comment is in reference to value (however that might be measured) in the > statement "I thought was worth paying

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o: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for sinc

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

How about you doing some reading and making a to-do list of the basic features that FrameMaker users have been requesting for years? An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the plug-ins that people are willing to pay for. How are book-level variables, real templates, and exter

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Adobe already controls piracy using activation. The only difference with the subscription model is that your license has a timeout. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Craig Ede wrote: > The subscription model probably does help them deal with piracy. In that > sense, they are urging a part of their

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: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at

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] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:15 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anyb

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: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:08 PM To: Alan T Litchfield Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Forum Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only ... What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If

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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:08 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Craig Ede wrote: > Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does > mean that you have access to a given software pack

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Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, M

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lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:15 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anyb

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: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:08 PM To: Alan T Litchfield Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Forum Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only ... What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share pric

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Jong Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:08 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Craig Ede wrote: > Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does > mean that you have access to a given software

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Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > The purpose of business is to make money. The p

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On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ... Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new version is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell your rights: "You may ... permanently

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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Harro de Jong wrote: > The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may > have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the > upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your > license

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I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe. A previous post said: "The problem with customers is that they cost money to

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At 08:00 +1200 14/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I > referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe > has gone direct to the market. Ah, right - I understand. No, I don't remember anything l

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

At 08:00 +1200 14/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I > referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe > has gone direct to the market. Ah, right - I understand. No, I don't remember anything l

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Thanks. Those are the corporate resellers I was referring to previously. The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe has gone direct to the market. The added value is worked out in terms

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

> The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ > to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose > of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link: http://www.aeris.co

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

> The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ > to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose > of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link: http://www.aeris.co

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on "capitalism vs free market". *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine   > Nadine - > > Nadine, I certain

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on "capitalism vs free market". *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine ? > Nadine - > > Nadine, I certain

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > The purpose of business is to make money. The p

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