Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

Hi Albert - Gary Beydler's Hand Held Day doesn't really fit, as it's just a time lapse film, and no still images are rephotographed in it. There's also Sam Gurry's Winners Bitch, many by Takashi Ito, Dutchman's Photographs by Isao Kota, various films by Eriko Sonoda... An interesting inversion

Re: [Frameworks] restoration help: IN MARIN COUNTY by Peter Hutton

t; On Nov 11, 2019, at 9:30 AM, mrktosc wrote: > > Funny as it may seem, they do exist! > > mt > > > > On Nov 11, 2019, at 9:19 AM, Mark Street wrote: > > Video master? Peter? Ha! ;) > > Mark Street > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:18 PM Mark Toscano wrote

[Frameworks] restoration help: IN MARIN COUNTY by Peter Hutton

anywhere of the film (besides the one at Canyon)? Even a weird old video master could be helpful. thanks much, Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] Research about "Essential Cinema" ? Anthology Film Archives

When I did some research in the Brakhage papers at CU Boulder, I came across a bunch of documents pertaining to the Essential Cinema selection/committee process, which were fascinating. Stan Brakhage was initially involved in the committee, but ended up leaving it, apparently. There were lists of

[Frameworks] Rob Todd question - Fusion Film Workshop (Boston area)?

s. Anyone know? thanks very much, Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

Lenny Lipton's Independent Filmmaking probably has all of this info in it, and then then then some. Mark T On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:32 PM Eric Theise wrote: > The frame says – > > Download this Exremely [sic] Helpful Word Document, Courtesy of: MPS > > "..Your workprint and tracks

Re: [Frameworks] Bruce Connor - A Movie

UCLA Film & TV Archive is the current source for renting prints of Bruce Conner films. They haven't been at Canyon for some time. Mark T On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Adam Hyman wrote: > Either Canyon Cinema or the Conner Estate. You can check with Canyon > online,

[Frameworks] Works and Days ID?

Hi all, Has anyone determined the identity of the original film Hollis Frampton repositioned as Works and Days? thanks, Mark ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] 7302 vs 3302

Kodak has now discontinued 7302 acetate bw print stock at this point, which is unfortunate primarily because we (and probably lots of other people) used it for lightstruck leader too. Mark Toscano On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Scott Dorsey <klu...@panix.com> wrote: > > So if poly

Re: [Frameworks] Preservation Insanity / Brakhage & sound

likening the sound to external sources somewhat different to what they > actually were. The troubling question that this raised is: how does > prior knowledge of what is being heard (and seen for that matter) affect > the viewing-listiening experience of the film? > > Best Wishes >

Re: [Frameworks] Preservation Insanity / Brakhage & sound

hical musing, thanks! > My one comment: can you not design it white on black? It's hard on the > eyes to read... > All the best! > Pip > > > At 18:21 -0700 6/08/17, Mark Toscano wrote: > > > https://preservationinsanity.wordpress.com/ > > > __

[Frameworks] Preservation Insanity / Brakhage & sound

Hi all, I realize it's kind of self-promotional, but since a halfway decent amount of people seemed to like it, I hope you'll indulge me a bit of news about my Preservation Insanity site. Just wanted to spread the word that after a long period of inactivity, I've moved, spiffed up, and begun

Re: [Frameworks] Motion graphics title using slit-scan....

lots of examples out there from a lot of effects people. Robert Abel & Associates specialized in it. Like here's one example from Abel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYFjITWXSo Mark Toscano On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:07 AM, George, Sherman <sgeo...@ucsd.edu> wrote: &g

Re: [Frameworks] oxberry optical films

Off the top of my head - Sarah Biagini has a really excellent 16mm film called I SWIM NOW: https://vimeo.com/35387818 and her Vimeo page has a number of other short works making quite elaborate use of the optical printer, including Ikiru Wipes, in which she isolates all the different wipes in

[Frameworks] The Ann Arbor Film Festival

to express a community's displeasure with this recent and highly problematic turn of events. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/letter-to-the-board-of-the-ann-arbor-film-festival thanks for your patience with my rant - Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

My one counter to David's comments (if I'm reading you right) would be that the vast majority of artists working in 16mm from the '40s through the '60s did in fact use Kodachrome and Ektachrome, among other stocks. Color negative didn't even exist in 16mm until 1964, and very few "experimental

[Frameworks] Tony Conrad video ID

...!' - my memory could be somewhat off on the details, but if you've seen it, you'd remember it. He showed it at LA Filmforum maybe ten years ago, and I was hoping to screen it in an upcoming program if it's obtainable somehow. thanks all, Mark Toscano

Re: [Frameworks] (nostalgia) versions...

The transfer on the Treasures IV set was supervised by the inimitable Mr Bill Brand, who knows the films intimately, and also has helped supervise restorations and digital mastering of numerous other Frampton films. Mark T On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Ken Eisenstein

Re: [Frameworks] structuralist/materialist films by women

some LA stuff: Picture Without Sound & Now Playing by Susan Rosenfeld various by Roberta Friedman & Grahame Weinbren, including Bertha's Children, After Ten Minutes Lines, The Making of Americans, Future Perfect, Murray and Max Talk About Money, and others. Film Achers by Beth Block -mark t

[Frameworks] RIP Robert Russett

to discover. Keep an eye out! RIP Bob... Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] Super 8 to 35mm Optical Blowup

they have. Anyway, I'm ranting. But bottom line, my feeling is to preserve 16mm as 16mm as long as it's possible! Mark Toscano On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:36 AM, direc...@lift.on.ca wrote: Mark, Since we're on the subject, is there a reason you're going to 35mm rather than 16mm? Although 35mm

Re: [Frameworks] loop printing at lab

Fotokem does. I think there's a loop setup charge, but I don't remember it being too much. I did it once, about a couple of years ago, and they did a great job. Mark Toscano On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Sasha Janerus sasha.jane...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone out there know of a lab

[Frameworks] Worth a look for the film-concerned: Tarantino taking over the New Beverly Cinema

For those not in LA or not familiar with the New Beverly, it's a longtime, beloved local rep house that still does classic double feature programming, mostly on 35mm. In fact, they only got a DCP-ready projector a few months ago for the first time. Quentin Tarantino has been the benevolent

[Frameworks] announcement from Colorlab re: 16mm b/w services

Though this announcement was directed more to film archives/archivists, I figure it would be relevant here too. Mark T ** Colorlab Announces Full Continued Support for 16mm B/W Film Intermediates and Prints Many of you are no doubt aware Kodak has made the unfortunate decision to

Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Film Stocks to be Discontinued, Announced in December

Hi all, I heard from our Kodak rep, and I don't really have anything super helpful to add. I forwarded her Alex's initial email about upcoming discontinuations. She said the products to be discontinued weren't at all finalized, but that she did expect to see another discontinuation of some kind

Re: [Frameworks] Duart Vault in the NY Times

, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dominic Angerame dominic.anger...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Duart Vault in the NY Times To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] If you want Kodak hicon, order it now

heard about 5363. I've got my order in for 7363 but just wondering if I need to worry about this one too. Thanks Lindsay McIntyre On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I spoke to the L.A. Kodak rep yesterday, and 7363 16mm hicon is on back

[Frameworks] If you want Kodak hicon, order it now

be told it's on back order, but you should be able to place an order anyway. It's not a 100% guarantee at this point that you'll get the stock, but it's very likely. The same should be the case for 5363 35mm hicon, which I believe is also being discontinued. All the best, Mark Toscano

Re: [Frameworks] Duart Vault in the NY Times

Pip - does that mean you got the Catfilm original out for Standish? That's one of his originals that didn't turn up in his collection. Thanks, Mark On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:01 AM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: Thanks for the article Bill. When DuArt was closing they were

[Frameworks] Standish Lawder Runaway

Hi all - If you're interested, I've written something about my experience picking up Standish Lawder's films in 2007, prompted by the arrival of the rest of his film elements today from his daughter (and the discovery of one element in particular). http://preservationinsanity.blogspot.com/ Mark

Re: [Frameworks] films using the optical printer

with ANYTHING Pat's made. Mark Toscano On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Stefan Grabowski ste...@radonlake.com wrote: Bruce Baillie's 'Castro Street' has some really beautiful optical printing work. -- From: bigmuddy2...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:32

Re: [Frameworks] Fibonacci Sequence

Roberta Friedman and Grahame Weinbren's excellent FUTURE PERFECT from 1978 uses a Fibonacci series (among others) as a basis for some precisely placed graphical forms marked onto (and conceptually relating to) the film's underlying photography. Mark Toscano On Aug 5, 2014, at 2:26 PM, c b

Re: [Frameworks] seeking Morgan Fisher contact

Hi Andy, I've actually just preserved the film. I can put you in touch with Morgan unless someone already has. Mark T On Jul 30, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Andy Ditzler a...@andyditzler.com wrote: Hello, I am trying to screen Morgan Fisher's Projection Instructions and understand that it's

Re: [Frameworks] Infrared Film in Experimental Cinema

Donald Fox's OMEGA and YOUNG GOODMAN BROWN both use color reversal infrared film. Mark T On May 1, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Ruth Hayes randomr...@comcast.net wrote: I seem to remember that Betzy Bromberg used infrared film stock in one of the films she showed us when I was in grad school…

Re: [Frameworks] Optical Sound - filter

.  In restoration projects (and some of my own films), I create an optical-ready version with John Polito at Audio Mechanics, and he tailors it beautifully each time to the track and its quality/content.  And the tracks always sound excellent as a result. All the best, Mark Toscano On Friday, April

Re: [Frameworks] color print stock

Kodak technically makes only one 16mm color interneg stock to duplicate non-orange-base positives - 3273. It's more or less the same as 50D camera negative, and I've actually found it to be quite good at reproducing b/w and other monochromes mixed with color material.  May depend on the lab,

Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films

I think what Albert's asking for are films that utilize a more or less intact found soundtrack, rather than a collaged soundtrack that includes found sound segments. Lipsett, Pat O'Neill, and plenty of other artists have made some exciting use of collaged found elements, but I'd also love to

Re: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films

, at 10:59 AM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com wrote: I think what Albert's asking for are films that utilize a more or less intact found soundtrack, rather than a collaged soundtrack that includes found sound segments. Lipsett, Pat O'Neill, and plenty of other artists have made some exciting

[Frameworks] Alpha Cine closing entirely

to make arrangements for their retrieval. Also, if you're interested, it's possible they may be selling some equipment, so it could be worth it to ask. all the best, Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https

Re: [Frameworks] found footage: working with the (complete) oevre of another filmmaker

Andrew Lampert's BENETTON series of films may qualify. Mark On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:27 PM, David Sherman davidgatessher...@gmail.com wrote: My film To Re-edit the World is made almost exclusively of the found remaining films and fragments of lost San Francisco Beat filmmaker Dion Vigne.

[Frameworks] restoration of CUBE AND ROOM DRAWINGS by David Haxton

originals are lost, so it ended up being quite timely, and I'm happy to say I've been through everything and have begun some preservation/restoration work, starting with the film described at the link above. all the best, Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks

[Frameworks] Jud Yalkut RIP

Posting this here as I hadn't seen it reported yet... http://www.wyso.org/post/local-artist-jud-yalkut-dies  Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] Tri X

Yep! Mark On Jan 18, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Shumona Goel shumonag...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mark, Is Cinema Arts in Pennsylvania? On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep! A number of labs do it, customarily using b/w dupe neg stock 3234. Colorlab

Re: [Frameworks] Films composed to music

Grateful Dead (Robert Nelson) - Nelson made a tape collage from the Dead's first album (given to him on 1/4" by them) that ran about 8 minutes, then cut his film very tightly to that tape piece. When their second album came out, the Dead asked Bob to make a new soundtrack for the film, using the

Re: [Frameworks] ektachrome 100d r.i.p.

I did. This is what the Kodak rep told me. If I hear anything further, I can post it here. Mark Toscano On Dec 13, 2012, at 11:38 AM, carli...@aol.com wrote: I find it hard to believe that they will make more, unless there's a few frozen rolls around somewhere. Who said this? BTW

Re: [Frameworks] Third Reich and Roll by the Residents

hey Josh, As far as I know, Canyon is the only legit 16mm distributor for the Ralph/Residents films right now in the U.S., so unless you wanna just show it from a bootleg DVD, or official one (?) or something, and show it that way, you're outta luck.  Mark

[Frameworks] News from Canyon Cinema

again for your continued support. All the best from the staff and Board of Canyon Cinema, Denah Johnston Linda Scobie Maïa Cybelle Carpenter Nathaniel Dorsky Dana Plays Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https

Re: [Frameworks] Warren Sonbert - retrospective tour available

To: Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com; Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Warren Sonbert - retrospective tour available Hi Mark (and all)--Thanks for your note and for flagging the Academy's amazing work

Re: [Frameworks] Warren Sonbert - retrospective tour available

Hi Fred, I agree with you about restoration titlecards.  In some cases, funding agencies require them as a condition of accepting that funding.  Some archives always have them as a matter of course, which often helps them to be identified with the great work they're doing when the print shows

Re: [Frameworks] Warren Sonbert - retrospective tour available

at the archive by a bit.  But my colleagues here did a huge amount of work on these films, and I'd like to ask anyone who's showing these prints to consider thanking the Academy Film Archive in their own promotional materials, if they're so inclined. Mark Toscano

Re: [Frameworks] Rock Ross retired (title work)

I know of a guy in LA named Ron Gonzalez who still has his equipment and has been looking for titling work.  Can pass his info along if anyone needs it. Mark Toscano From: 40 Frames i...@40frames.org To: Frameworks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent

[Frameworks] Deluxe Toronto

FYI -  If anyone has elements sitting at Deluxe Labs in Toronto, now is the time to pick them up.  Deluxe Toronto has laid off almost everyone and is closing, and they are eager to return elements to their rightful owners.   Mark Toscano___

[Frameworks] Important announcement from Canyon Cinema

http://canyoncinema.com/2012/07/30/important-announcement-from-the-board-of-directors/___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] Films/videos straddling high- and lowbrow divide

dirty now.) Mark Toscano From: Brent Coughenour coke...@aol.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:49 AM Subject: [Frameworks] Films/videos straddling high- and lowbrow divide Hi there, I'm

[Frameworks] Discontinuation of Eastman 35/32mm sound recording stock

Hi all, Just confirmed with Kodak today that they're discontinuing production of sound recording stock 3378 (for making track negatives) in 35/32mm.  They have enough stock left for about 1-1.5 years, based on past sales numbers.  35mm and regular 16mm gauges will remain available. While this

[Frameworks] First request (Robert Russett's NEURON) up at Preservation Insanity

http://preservationinsanity.blogspot.com/2012/06/neuron-1972-by-robert-russett.html  Enjoy! Mark T___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] 1970s French short film

by a lab ages ago and he had begun selling his remaining extant prints! thanks again, Mark Toscano From: Michael Lee maaron...@gmail.com To: pe...@redrice.net; Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:15 PM

Re: [Frameworks] pre-Beatles sitar in experimental film

first that was widely available in the U.S.? Mark Toscano From: Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] pre-Beatles sitar

Re: [Frameworks] pre-Beatles sitar in experimental film

a brief snippet of (I believe) also Ravi Shankar, in the midst of an otherwise jazz soundtrack containing Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, and John Coltrane. Mark Toscano From: Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] Money Films

really great film Money (Mike Henderson, 1970) Money Does (Mike Henderson, 1982) Budget Film (Standish Lawder, 1967) For the Record (Carolyn Faber, 2001) Corporate Accounting (Scott Stark, 1982) Mark Toscano From: graeme hogg graemeh...@irational.org

Re: [Frameworks] (no subject)

Sorry, I think it's fixed now.  Jeez, first time for me... Mark T From: Huckleberry Lain huckleberryl...@gmail.com To: Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] (no subject) uh oh.  Someone's email got

Re: [Frameworks] video to film printing

for that specifically.  Cineric in NYC might also be able to. And I don't know if it would be cheap enough to be worth it, but Synchro Film in Austria could also do it last I checked.   Mark Toscano From: winston degiobbi winstondegiobbi...@hotmail.com

[Frameworks] Ektachrome RIP????

You've gotta be kidding. Thanks for this heads-up goes to Timoleon Wilkins: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20120301/BUSINESS/303010043  Mark T ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com

Re: [Frameworks] Ektachrome RIP????

reversal stocks exist out there?   Either cut down custom by various labs/suppliers, or produced as 16mm by rawstock companies?  Just want to know what my options are, if any. Mark T From: 40 Frames i...@40frames.org To: Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com

Re: [Frameworks] more on the Academy

Quite a bit.  And to Canyon Cinema in past years. Mark T From: marilyn brakhage v...@shaw.ca To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] more on the Academy On the

Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars

because of Mark Toscano.  So, cheers to Mark!  Thanks for having the world remember such a wonderful man. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo

Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars

Visionaries on the experimental filmmakers around Anthology, he does know them all. (Though I prefered his Condensed Cream of Beatles!) -Pip At 20:50 -0800 27/02/12, Mark Toscano wrote: Exactly.  I didn't have anything to do with it!  Which is all the better, as it suggests that his influence has

Re: [Frameworks] new post on Brakhage

in a single-roll of hot-spliced original or just a way to pop out the image on screen a bit more (or a little of both)? Best, Chris On 2/25/12 9:14 AM, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: From: Mark Toscano It's fairly dorky, but in case anyone's curious

Re: [Frameworks] new post on Brakhage

wrote: From: Mark Toscano It's fairly dorky, but in case anyone's curious, I posted something  about Stan Brakhage and a little about his use of color negative stocks at my unpredictably updated blog: http://preservationinsanity.blogspot.com This post was specifically inspired by going

Re: [Frameworks] First person narrative (Shira Segal)

Georg by Stanton Kaye Mark T From: jaime cleeland ethnom...@yahoo.co.uk To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] First person narrative (Shira Segal) The use

Re: [Frameworks] Negative Cutter

Chris Weber in Burbank is pretty much the go-to person in L.A. for 16mm (she does 35mm too of course).  Her info can be found here: http://www.manta.com/c/mm8l1bc/chris-weber-post-production  She did a great job cutting a negative for Chick Strand's final film, and has cut negs for Morgan

Re: [Frameworks] Chick Strand

Mosori Monika is in English, so subtitles aren't necessary. And yep, the place to get it is Canyon!  It's only available on 16mm at the moment. Fantastic movie, a very underrated and underseen one by Chick. Mark From: Beverly O'Neill bev...@earthlink.net To:

[Frameworks] Robert Nelson

and images from his films: http://preservationinsanity.blogspot.com/  All the best, Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] Beth B Scott B films

Hi Andy -  Anthology preserved one or more of them in the recent past, but not sure which ones.  I believe they might be starting their loans up again in the near future, I'd definitely check with them! Mark From: Andy Ditzler a...@andyditzler.com To:

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm stills in LA - Bordwell method?

David Bordwell has a simple but very effective setup for making stills from prints with a 35mm camera, though I don't know its precise composition.  He's made an unreal amount of amazing looking stills over many many years, still doing it in 35mm last I knew.  Someone else on this list might

Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep

INSOMNIA by Fred Worden Different sizes of hole-punches in black leader. I think Fred made this during insomnia-driven late nights, but not sure. His scratch film BOULEVARD may also be relevant. And perhaps EVERYDAY BAD DREAM. 999 BOY by Chris Langdon 10 minutes of 400-speed b/w footage

Re: [Frameworks] Perfs

://www.filmtech.com/ Feel free to contact them and let them know I suggested you ask them! Mark Toscano --- On Fri, 10/21/11, Myron Ort z...@sonic.net wrote: From: Myron Ort z...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Perfs To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date

[Frameworks] Filmcraft in Michigan closing

http://reelchicago.com/article/filmcraft-s-closing-astro-midwest-s-sole-lab Pick up yer elements if you left 'em there!! Mark Toscano ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks

[Frameworks] goodbye George

Well, somebody's gotta post it I guess. The absolutely beautiful, irreplaceable treasure that is George Kuchar left us this morning. all the best, Mark T ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com