Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Ollivier Robert
Since I upgraded to my CURRENT machine into two days ago sources, I'm getting this from ntpd. Mar 28 07:37:03 caerdonn ntpd[171]: time reset -1.151848 s Mar 28 08:00:47 caerdonn ntpd[171]: time reset -1.222628 s Mar 28 08:30:03 caerdonn ntpd[171]: time reset -1.673229 s Mar 28 08:39:00 caerdonn

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ollivier Robert wr ites: Since I upgraded to my CURRENT machine into two days ago sources, I'm getting this from ntpd. Mar 28 07:37:03 caerdonn ntpd[171]: time reset -1.151848 s Mar 28 08:00:47 caerdonn ntpd[171]: time reset -1.222628 s output from dmesg

linux_base-7 installation breaks with zlib 1.1.4

2002-03-28 Thread Anders Nor Berle
linux_base-7 (And most likely other ports as well) seems to be broken after zlib 1.1.4 was committed to -current. Zlib was made with fresh source from today (28.3) and rpm recompiled. === Installing for linux_base-7.1_2 kern.fallback_elf_brand: 3 - 3 glibc-common-2.2.2-10.i386.rpm Segmentation

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Poul-Henning Kamp: output from dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #13: Tue Mar 26 17:48:00

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
My best guess would be that your bios plays power-management tricks with your CPU frequency... Alternatively, since this is -current: that something is truly and utterly dysfunctional right now. Poul-Henning In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ollivier Robert wr ites: According to Poul-Henning

Re: Some info on the kgmon(8) manual page (regarding current) needed

2002-03-28 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Robert Watson wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Hiten Pandya wrote: According to me, the utility shouldn't be using a hardcoded path to the booting kernel, as this would affect kernels which were made by: makeoptions KERNEL=foo#Build kernel foo and install /foo

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/common Makefile.inc

2002-03-28 Thread Nickolay Dudorov
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: obrien 2002/03/27 17:28:21 PST Modified files: sys/boot/common Makefile.inc Log: Not all platforms have and want a.out format support. Revision ChangesPath 1.13 +6 -2 src/sys/boot/common/Makefile.inc

Re: linux_base-7 installation breaks with zlib 1.1.4

2002-03-28 Thread Bruce Evans
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Anders Nor Berle wrote: linux_base-7 (And most likely other ports as well) seems to be broken after zlib 1.1.4 was committed to -current. Zlib was made with fresh source from today (28.3) and rpm recompiled. === Installing for linux_base-7.1_2

Re: Apache core dumps

2002-03-28 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 08:42:48AM +0100, Rasmus Skaarup wrote: httpd in free(): error: junk pointer, too high to make sense Do ls -l /etc/malloc.conf Then read the malloc(3) manpage. Then complain to the apache and/or mod_perl developers about the bug in their code. Kris

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 09:38:49AM +0100, Ollivier Robert wrote: Since I upgraded to my CURRENT machine into two days ago sources, I'm getting this from ntpd. Mar 28 07:37:03 caerdonn ntpd[171]: time reset -1.151848 s Mar 28 08:00:47 caerdonn ntpd[171]: time reset -1.222628 s Mar 28

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Hmm, I'll look closer at this. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: linux_base-7 installation breaks with zlib 1.1.4

2002-03-28 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:31:36PM +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: I use the following quick fix for the corresponding core dump in man and zgrep. I'd like to see this committed and merged to the DP1 tree ASAP so my packages stop dumping core and we can produce a DP1 snapshot that includes linux

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Robert L Sowders
Greg is absolutely correct. These whiners, who constantly moan for code while never contributing any, should contribute the code if they want it changed. Also I shudder to think that those who customize their systems would actually learn how to use all the tools available to them to prevent

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I think I found a mistake I made, can you try this patch please ? Index: kern_tc.c === RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_tc.c,v retrieving revision 1.117 diff -u -r1.117 kern_tc.c --- kern_tc.c 19 Mar 2002 21:24:06 -

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Robert L Sowders([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2002.03.28 03:39:51 +: Greg is absolutely correct. yes, i agree These whiners, who constantly moan for code while never contributing any, should contribute the code if they want it changed. being a terrible c-coder i have to admit that, after having

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Brian T . Schellenberger
On Thursday 28 March 2002 06:39 am, Robert L Sowders wrote: | Greg is absolutely correct. | | These whiners, who constantly moan for code while never contributing any, | should contribute the code if they want it changed. | | Also I shudder to think that those who customize their systems would |

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Poul-Henning Kamp: I think I found a mistake I made, can you try this patch please ? I have not seen the message yet but I have the impression my clock is getting further and further behind my NTP server. remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset

Surefire -current panic...

2002-03-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
On a diskless machine: ktrace ntpdate -d $someserver gives an sure-fire panic: ../../../kern/kern_synch.c:429: sleeping with process lock locked from ../../. ./kern/subr_trap.c:76 Debugger(witness_sleep) Stopped at Debugger+0x40: xorl%eax,%eax db trace Debugger(c02f20c0) at

Re: Surefire -current panic...

2002-03-28 Thread David Malone
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 03:29:50PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: On a diskless machine: ktrace ntpdate -d $someserver gives an sure-fire panic: Does this depend on NFS? David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the

RE: Surefire -current panic...

2002-03-28 Thread John Baldwin
On 28-Mar-2002 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: On a diskless machine: ktrace ntpdate -d $someserver gives an sure-fire panic: ../../../kern/kern_synch.c:429: sleeping with process lock locked from ../../. ./kern/subr_trap.c:76 Debugger(witness_sleep) Stopped at Debugger+0x40:

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Thomas Quinot
Le 2002-03-28, Gregory Neil Shapiro écrivait : Opinions? Hum. If we make the assumption that non-Sendmail-users use some other MTA installed through a port or locally, then I guess that MTA should be expected to be started from a /usr/local/etc/rc.d script, so maybe the new variable

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
thomas Hum. If we make the assumption that non-Sendmail-users use some thomas other MTA installed through a port or locally, then I guess that thomas MTA should be expected to be started from a /usr/local/etc/rc.d script, thomas so maybe the new variable mta_startup_script is overkill. They can

Re: Just a reminder

2002-03-28 Thread Darryl Okahata
Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, very cool indeed. :-) It seems to me the kernel entry point should be mi_start() rather than main(), however. Shouldn't it be mi_startup(), instead? Also, that page, while very useful for casual browsers, just uses global. Anyone

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : I think I found a mistake I made, can you try this patch please ? : : Index: kern_tc.c : === : RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_tc.c,v

Re: Just a reminder

2002-03-28 Thread Terry Lambert
Darryl Okahata wrote: Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, very cool indeed. :-) It seems to me the kernel entry point should be mi_start() rather than main(), however. Shouldn't it be mi_startup(), instead? If we are voting, my vote goes for btext() on the x86 and

Re: Time counter broken?

2002-03-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
This patch is broken because it doesn't fix the comment, which should read ... 4398 / 2048 is very close to ideal. The commited version is better :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from NO to NONE), I thought it might be better to give them something back for their trouble. As an alternative to sendmail_enable=NONE, why not solve the boot time problem

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Jan Grant
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from NO to NONE), I thought it might be better to give them something back for their trouble. As an alternative to

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gregory Neil Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : 1. Convert FreeBSD into a bunch of packages and let binary installations :with sysinstall (or some future installer) pick and chose or pick :from a short list of standard systems. Offer

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
Jan.Grant Hang on, what problem? I think you've already done this: if you use Jan.Grant sendmail_enable = YES Jan.Grant sendmail_flags = whatever you normally use And: sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO Jan.Grant and configer /etc/mail/mailer.conf properly, then if your MTA Jan.Grant was written to

Problem with ssh

2002-03-28 Thread Beech Rintoul
I just updated -current (yesterday) and now I'm getting the following when I try to use ssh: #ssh -l akbeech galaxy #otp-md5 336 ga3711 ext S/Key Password: Any suggestions? Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - IT Manager - Instructor

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/common Makefile.inc

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 03:51:05PM +0600, Nickolay Dudorov wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: obrien 2002/03/27 17:28:21 PST Modified files: sys/boot/common Makefile.inc Log: Not all platforms have and want a.out format support. Revision Changes

Re: Problem with ssh

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 09:37:36AM -0900, Beech Rintoul wrote: I just updated -current (yesterday) and now I'm getting the following when I try to use ssh: #ssh -l akbeech galaxy #otp-md5 336 ga3711 ext S/Key Password: Any suggestions? hit any set of lettersenter until you get a

Re: linux_base-7 installation breaks with zlib 1.1.4

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 03:49:42AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: I use the following quick fix for the corresponding core dump in man and zgrep. I'd like to see this committed and merged to the DP1 tree ASAP so my packages stop dumping core and we can produce a DP1 snapshot that includes

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Coleman Kane
Another thing to look at is the /usr/sbin/sendmail - mailwrapper link that is produced from installworld. In current it seems to have been linking that, even when NO_SENDMAIL=yes in make.conf. Qmail et al. overwrite this with their own workalike (since /usr/sbin/sendmail is a 'standard' these

Re: Problem with ssh

2002-03-28 Thread Beech Rintoul
On Thursday 28 March 2002 10:28 am, Michael L. Hostbaek wrote: Beech Rintoul (akbeech) writes: I just updated -current (yesterday) and now I'm getting the following when I try to use ssh: #ssh -l akbeech galaxy #otp-md5 336 ga3711 ext S/Key Password: Adding the following setting to

Re: Problem with ssh

2002-03-28 Thread Terry Lambert
Beech Rintoul wrote: I just updated -current (yesterday) and now I'm getting the following when I try to use ssh: #ssh -l akbeech galaxy #otp-md5 336 ga3711 ext S/Key Password: Any suggestions? Downgrade, and submit a reverse diff to back out whatever change was made that's urinating

Re: ACPI documentation?

2002-03-28 Thread Doug White
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, George Michaelson wrote: Well, what do you want to do? Virtually all of the ACPI bits are exported to the hw.acpi sysctl tree. Doug White| FreeBSD: The Power to Serve [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.FreeBSD.org apm presents as a commandset

Re: Problem with ssh

2002-03-28 Thread Julian Elischer
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Beech Rintoul wrote: On Thursday 28 March 2002 10:28 am, Michael L. Hostbaek wrote: Beech Rintoul (akbeech) writes: 'ChallengeResponseAuthentication no' Thanks, that fixed the problem. just stops my sshd from working at all. (machine is 4.1.1) To

Re: Problem with ssh

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:40:04AM -0900, Beech Rintoul wrote: #ssh -l akbeech galaxy #otp-md5 336 ga3711 ext S/Key Password: Adding the following setting to sshd_config, should disable S/Key functionality: 'ChallengeResponseAuthentication no' Thanks, that fixed the problem.

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:01:31 -0800 From: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Whelan wrote: (my company demands that all software I write, including in my own free time, is copyright by them) You need to move to California, where this is against the

BIND 8.3.1 is *SLOW*

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
Ever since this commit: date: 2002-02-04 19:12:33; author: nectar; state: Exp; lines: +15 -1 Import of ISC BIND 8.3.1-REL. my DNS look ups are slow, like an order of magnitude slower. By chance was a FreeBSD'ism left

Re: BIND 8.3.1 is *SLOW*

2002-03-28 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 12:51:12PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: Ever since this commit: date: 2002-02-04 19:12:33; author: nectar; state: Exp; lines: +15 -1 Import of ISC BIND 8.3.1-REL. my DNS look ups are slow,

Re: BIND 8.3.1 is *SLOW*

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Wemm
David O'Brien wrote: Ever since this commit: date: 2002-02-04 19:12:33; author: nectar; state: Exp; lines: +15 -1 Import of ISC BIND 8.3.1-REL. my DNS look ups are slow, like an order of magnitude slower. By

Re: BIND 8.3.1 is *SLOW*

2002-03-28 Thread Jesper Skriver
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 12:51:12PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: Ever since this commit: date: 2002-02-04 19:12:33; author: nectar; state: Exp; lines: +15 -1 Import of ISC BIND 8.3.1-REL. my DNS look ups are slow,

Re: BIND 8.3.1 is *SLOW*

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 01:00:36PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: Also shouldn't host(1) obey /etc/nsswitch.conf? No. host(1) is a dns specific tool. *sigh*. So how does one figure out what amd and sendmail are seeing as they try to resovlve addresses? -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To

Re: BIND 8.3.1 is *SLOW*

2002-03-28 Thread sthaug
No. host(1) is a dns specific tool. *sigh*. So how does one figure out what amd and sendmail are seeing as they try to resovlve addresses? tcpdump -ns 1500 -i INTERFACE udp port 53 Interface may be lo0 if you're running a name server on the same machine. Steinar Haug, Nethelp

Re: BIND 8.3.1 is *SLOW*

2002-03-28 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
Also shouldn't host(1) obey /etc/nsswitch.conf? No. host(1) is a dns specific tool. obrien *sigh*. So how does one figure out what amd and sendmail are seeing as obrien they try to resovlve addresses? In sendmail's case: sendmail -d8.8 _rest of args here_ Don't run a daemon with that

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Nate Williams
(my company demands that all software I write, including in my own free time, is copyright by them) You need to move to California, where this is against the law. Every California company I've worked for has made me sign a statement with the above stipulation. In order to avoid this, I

California Labor Law (was Re: The sendmail discussion...)

2002-03-28 Thread Terry Lambert
Kevin Oberman wrote: From: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Whelan wrote: (my company demands that all software I write, including in my own free time, is copyright by them) You need to move to California, where this is against the law. Minor correction: You need to move

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 07:39:24AM -0800, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: As an alternative to sendmail_enable=NONE, why not solve the boot time problem for non-sendmail users completely. The patch moves all of the sendmail startup code from /etc/rc to /etc/rc.sendmail. Yes, please commit. Very

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Matthew Whelan
28/03/2002 11:39:51, Robert L Sowders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These whiners, who constantly moan for code while never contributing any, should contribute the code if they want it changed. Hmph. Inability to contribute - whether it be lack of necessary coding knowledge, time constraints or

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Terry Lambert
Matthew Whelan wrote: (my company demands that all software I write, including in my own free time, is copyright by them) You need to move to California, where this is against the law. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2002-03-28 13:34, Nate Williams wrote: (my company demands that all software I write, including in my own free time, is copyright by them) You need to move to California, where this is against the law. Every California company I've worked for has made me ... ...which was signed

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Patrick
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Nate Williams wrote: (my company demands that all software I write, including in my own free time, is copyright by them) You need to move to California, where this is against the law. Every California company I've worked for has made me sign a statement with

Re: cvs commit: ports/lang Makefile ports/lang/icc Makefile distinfopkg-comment pkg-descr pkg-plist ports/lang/icc/files patch-include

2002-03-28 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Alexander Leidinger wrote: I've tried to give it a start, so I also allowed __ICC in pcpu.h, now it fails with: I got most of src/bin src/sbin src/usr.bin src/usr.sbin and lib to compile with it. Libc had some issues with malloc and mmap() and wouldn't function when

Re: cvs commit: ports/lang Makefile ports/lang/icc Makefile distinfo pkg-comment pkg-descr pkg-plist ports/lang/icc/files patch-include

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 06:37:25PM -0500, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: icc.cfg: ... -D__GNUC__=2 This is really wrong. Why not properly impliment cdefs.h for __ICC__ ? -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Scot W. Hetzel([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2002.03.28 14:49:49 +: Qmail install shouldn't need to install anything into /usr/[sbin,bin] directories with mailwrapper properly configured (see `man mailer.conf` 'man mailwrapper'). a quick glance into /usr/ports/mail/qmail/pkg-plist shows, that no

Re: linux_base-7 installation breaks with zlib 1.1.4

2002-03-28 Thread Munehiro Matsuda
Hello David, David O'Brien wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 03:49:42AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: I use the following quick fix for the corresponding core dump in man and zgrep. I'd like to see this committed and merged to the DP1 tree ASAP so my packages stop dumping core and we can

Re: The sendmail discussion...

2002-03-28 Thread Sam
Folks, I hate to be snotty, but gosh, I don't think this thread really belongs in a discussion about -stable. Bad enough that the sendmail created so many me too's but wouldn't -chat be a better place for california laws? Sam -- Just because you're moving fast | BURMA SHAVE

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread ian j hart
Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from NO to NONE), I thought it might be better to give them something back for their trouble. As an alternative to sendmail_enable=NONE,

Re: Problem with ssh

2002-03-28 Thread Will Andrews
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 12:03:17PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: That is NOT a fix. Some of us want S/Key (OPIE) support. This is a temperary work around. And some of us want passphrase support. :-) SSH should just be fixed to DTRT when one doesn't have S/Key setup on the server... however, it

Re: linux_base-7 installation breaks with zlib 1.1.4

2002-03-28 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 11:25:17AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 03:49:42AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: I use the following quick fix for the corresponding core dump in man and zgrep. I'd like to see this committed and merged to the DP1 tree ASAP so my packages

Re: cvs commit: ports/lang Makefile ports/lang/icc Makefile distinfo pkg-comment pkg-descr pkg-plist ports/lang/icc/files patch-include

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 08:23:27PM -0500, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, David O'Brien wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 06:37:25PM -0500, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: icc.cfg: ... -D__GNUC__=2 This is really wrong. Why not properly impliment cdefs.h for __ICC__ ? Of course

Status of NetBSD rc.d implementation

2002-03-28 Thread Scott Sipe
Hi, I've seen this project mentioned (several times) recently, yet the only references I can find to it seem to have had no updates in months. Is there any news here, or ongoing work? I remember I read about the NetBSD rc awhile back and it sounded quite cool. I've never worked on anything

Re: Problem with ssh

2002-03-28 Thread Max Khon
hi, there! On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 11:43:58AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: On Thursday 28 March 2002 10:28 am, Michael L. Hostbaek wrote: Beech Rintoul (akbeech) writes: 'ChallengeResponseAuthentication no' Thanks, that fixed the problem. just stops my sshd from working at

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Wemm
Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: http://people.freebsd.org/~gshapiro/mta-start Opinions? Enthusiastic thumbs-up from me! :-) Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: