On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 11:03, Patrick Bihan-Faou wrote:
> Some may argue that storing userland data in the kernel space is Not A Nice
> Thing(tm) but it certainly makes things a lot easier.
Why am I reminded of when terminal type information was bodged into the
stty settings as a 2-character code?
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 01:30:53AM +1030, Mike Gratton wrote:
> > However, I have previously thought that a system that used xml files to
> > store application configs (that would then be used to generate valid conf
> > files) would be useful.
>
> I was on the verge of doing so the other day. Bas
Hi,
I don't know whether the suggested approach is really a good one or not, but
as far as implementing some registry-like features in FreeBSD, we have
developped something that proves to be useful. The idea was to extend the
sysctl mechanism to make it dynamic from the user-land point of view. T
Andrew Cowan wrote:
>
> However, I have previously thought that a system that used xml files to
> store application configs (that would then be used to generate valid conf
> files) would be useful.
I was on the verge of doing so the other day. Basically, I wanted to
have standard configuratio
Thus spake Miguel Mendez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sat, 02 Feb 2002 03:29:50 -0800
> Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Terry et al,
>
> > Let me know the form you want the hierarchy to take, so
> > you can stick it into the GTK hierarchy thingy; I'll be
> > happy to crank out some
> I don't see how it would make it any easier than using flat text
> files, unless you're planning on providing a DTD and using generic XML
> gui editors. Putting data in XML doesn't automatically imbue it with
> anything, except the ability to use generic XML tools on it. Of
> course, given li
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Andrew Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> types:
>
> How about editing the rc.conf file from the proposed virc program, that
> would then re-generate the rc.conf file upon saving. Of course the virc
> would store the underlying configuration in an xml config file.. That
How about editing the rc.conf file from the proposed virc program, that
would then re-generate the rc.conf file upon saving. Of course the virc
would store the underlying configuration in an xml config file.. That
should make Kutulu very happy :)
However, I have previously thought that a s
On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 00:38:34 +0800 (MYT)
Dinesh Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
> > times, well, not with the registry paradigm, but some sort of
> > graphical admin tool based on GTK. I'm doing exams this week but may
> > take a go at it after I finish them.
>
> why not use something like w
On Sat, 02 Feb 2002 03:29:50 -0800
Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Terry et al,
> Let me know the form you want the hierarchy to take, so
> you can stick it into the GTK hierarchy thingy; I'll be
> happy to crank out some quick yacc and lex code to do
> the parsing of the file into t
On Saturday 02 February 2002 03:57 pm, Juha Saarinen wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote:
> > No, it's not, because it still maintains a separation between "system"
> > control (rc.conf) and application control (/var/packges).
> >
> > It's more like config.sys or something
Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> types:
> I guess NIH beats an idea to death, even if the original
> implementation bears no resemblence to the current one.
The problem with the registry is not that it's a single place that
tries to control everything. The problem with the registry is that you
h
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote:
> No, no, I was saying that *rc.conf* was more like config.sys than the
> registry.
I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Then again, the registry is the epitome of all that's counter-intuitive,
awkward and generally oh-why-does-it-have-to-be
Pete French wrote:
> Is this NSS as in the Mozilla crypt stuff ? If so then what does it
> have to do with netinfo - or is OSX netinfo different to normal
> netinfo ? [did they break yet another thing ? :-(]
NSS = Name Service Switch
GNU LIBC has a nice introductory document:
http://www.gnu.org
"Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote:
> And I, somehow, had failed to notice that there's no NSS on FreeBSD.
> *smacks self on head* Not quite so simple after all, I guess
There are NSS patches for FreeBSD; check the PR database;
they just haven't been integrated. The PR database is
like the "b
Juha Saarinen wrote:
> > No, it's not, because it still maintains a separation between "system"
> > control (rc.conf) and application control (/var/packges).
> >
> > It's more like config.sys or something . . .
>
> Much more than that. The registry also stores dynamic data, such as
> performan
"Brian T.Schellenberger" wrote:
> No, it's not, because it still maintains a separation between "system"
> control (rc.conf) and application control (/var/packges).
>
> It's more like config.sys or something . . .
Oh, ya got me! Oh! Oh!
Yeah... config.sys... MUCH better... 8-) 8-).
...actual
> And I, somehow, had failed to notice that there's no NSS on FreeBSD.
> *smacks self on head* Not quite so simple after all, I guess
Is this NSS as in the Mozilla crypt stuff ? If so then what does it
have to do with netinfo - or is OSX netinfo different to normal
netinfo ? [did they break
On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 14:50, Pete French wrote:
> > AFAIK, Netinfo on Mac OS X is implemented deep. That is, it overrules
> > standard libc behaviour (like the resolver, fstab and other things), Yes
> > it's userspace jim, but not as we know it :)
>
> This was certainly true on NeXT's - you nee
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote:
> No, it's not, because it still maintains a separation between "system"
> control (rc.conf) and application control (/var/packges).
>
> It's more like config.sys or something . . .
Much more than that. The registry also stores dynamic data, s
On Saturday 02 February 2002 06:15 am, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > I would add differences like: the M$ registry is bound to
> > be corrupted, is only accessible by obscure tools,
> > is for the best part not documented
> >
> > In other words why should FreeBSD adopt something li
> AFAIK, Netinfo on Mac OS X is implemented deep. That is, it overrules
> standard libc behaviour (like the resolver, fstab and other things), Yes
> it's userspace jim, but not as we know it :)
This was certainly true on NeXT's - you needed special versions of most
programs (e.g. sendmail, bind
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Miguel Mendez wrote:
> times, well, not with the registry paradigm, but some sort of
> graphical admin tool based on GTK. I'm doing exams this week but may
> take a go at it after I finish them.
why not use something like webmin ?
Regards, /\_/\
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH heeft op zaterdag 2 februari 2002 om 16:48 het
volgende geschreven:
> On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 08:52, Emiel Kollof wrote:
>> Oh, I am not volunteering, it's way beyond my capabilities.
>
> Hm, Darwin is (userspace-wise) mostly FreeBSD 3.x, isn't it? I wouldn't
> expect po
On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 08:52, Emiel Kollof wrote:
> Oh, I am not volunteering, it's way beyond my capabilities.
Hm, Darwin is (userspace-wise) mostly FreeBSD 3.x, isn't it? I wouldn't
expect porting its NetInfo implementation to be particularly difficult.
--
brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][s
On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 05:59, Thomas Hurst wrote:
> Maybe some sort of hierachy would be good..
>
> /etc/rc.conf/services # sendmail, bind etc
> /etc/rc.conf/security # firewall, secure levels
> /etc/rc.conf/system # library paths and other low level tweakables
SuSE Linux does this (/etc/
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> "Bri
Nik Clayton heeft op zaterdag 2 februari 2002 om 13:37 het volgende
geschreven:
>>
>> Let me know the form you want the hierarchy to take, so
>> you can stick it into the GTK hierarchy thingy;
>
> Just go and port NetInfo from Apple's Darwin.
Now that is a cool idea. Netinfo has been around fo
> Just go and port NetInfo from Apple's Darwin.
I assume from this that there isnt currently a FreeBSD netinfo implementation
then unfortunately ?
So why is it mentioned in the ntpd man page ?
-pcf. [someone been nicking man pages from NeXT system ? :-)]
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From: "Brian T.Schellenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:31 PM
> I don't see that at all--the most distinctive characteristic to me of the
> Microsoft Windows Registry is that it tries to be a *single* place where
> *all* configuration information--both system and appl
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 03:29:50AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Miguel Mendez wrote:
> > Are you really serious about this? :) I've thought about that many
> > times, well, not with the registry paradigm, but some sort of graphical
> > admin tool based on GTK. I'm doing exams this week but may ta
Miguel Mendez wrote:
> Are you really serious about this? :) I've thought about that many
> times, well, not with the registry paradigm, but some sort of graphical
> admin tool based on GTK. I'm doing exams this week but may take a go at
> it after I finish them.
Let me know the form you want the
Wilko Bulte wrote:
> I would add differences like: the M$ registry is bound to
> be corrupted, is only accessible by obscure tools,
> is for the best part not documented
>
> In other words why should FreeBSD adopt something like that?
rc.conf is a registry in all but tools. 8-).
-- Terry
To U
Matt Heckaman wrote:
> Yeah, but we've also got a file edited by root and root alone, why would
> root be trying to add all kinds of code in it? I think rc.conf will be
> failing as it is if people add certain code in it, what do we lose?
The same reason we check the syntax of the password entrie
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 04:26:13PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
Hi Terry,
> Who is a GTK hacker?
I've done some GTK programs in the past.
>
> Does someone want to write a "registry editor" program?
>
> The point of the program would be to edit the "FreeBSD
> Registry", rc.conf, and make it lo
* Wilko Bulte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 04:26:13PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > Does someone want to write a "registry editor" program?
rc editor.. registry would imply it's going to be used generally, where
as it'll be a cold day in hell before anybody lets rc.con
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 04:26:13PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > >> foo_enable="NO"
> > > ipfilter_enable="YES"
> > > firewall_enable="NO"
> > natd_enable="NO"
> > natd_interface="fxp0"
> > inetd_enable="NO"
> > inetd_program="/usr/sbin/inetd"
> > foo
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
...
: Determining "source-ability" by sourcing is dangerous.
Well, you said make sure it's "sourcable" -- not "source it" :)
: You would need to do a "chroot", or run it as a non-priviledged user,
: for the p
On Friday 01 February 2002 08:38 pm, Terry Lambert wrote:
> "Brian T.Schellenberger" wrote:
> > - There is not a single point of failure for all progams; it only
> > controls basic system functions and services, it does not control
> > applications, so if it fails, your applications aren't all sc
Matt Heckaman wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
> : There's not even a "virc" equivalent to "vipw", that can do a
> : consistency check on the file to make sure it's "sourceable" by a shell
> : script, before permitting the edits to replace the valid contents, and
> : keep a backup
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
...
: There's not even a "virc" equivalent to "vipw", that can do a
: consistency check on the file to make sure it's "sourceable" by a shell
: script, before permitting the edits to replace the valid contents, and
: keep a backup of the previous file for y
"Brian T.Schellenberger" wrote:
> > Does someone want to write a "registry editor" program?
>
> Yuch. Why?
Clearly, you are not a "Junior Annoying Hacker".
> > The point of the program would be to edit the "FreeBSD
> > Registry", rc.conf, and make it look just like the Windows
> > Registry in
On Friday 01 February 2002 07:26 pm, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > >> foo_enable="NO"
> > >
> > > ipfilter_enable="YES"
> > > firewall_enable="NO"
> >
> > natd_enable="NO"
> > natd_interface="fxp0"
> > inetd_enable="NO"
> > inetd_program="/usr/sbin/inetd"
> >
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 04:26:13PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Who is a GTK hacker?
>
> Does someone want to write a "registry editor" program?
>
> The point of the program would be to edit the "FreeBSD
> Registry", rc.conf, and make it look just like the Windows
> Registry in the editor, usi
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