Unfortunately, the only one who doesn't understand would not be
any of the other posters.
The community is much more trustworthy than you give it credit.
The community got us a valuable resource and will continue to
do so if people who might take an interest aren't too put off
by perpetual negativ
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:38:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote:
> IMHO there should be a way to archive forum posts in some way, and
> make them available in near real-time to users whose workflow is
> much more geared towards mailing lists. One might miss an interesting
> forum thread, because not everyo
ing a problem. Do you not
> allow people to start new threads? If you do, where do they end up on
> the forum?
> Steve
Hmmm... yes, on second thought not such a bright idea. But perhaps a
bridge to an archiving-only mailing list (freebsd-forums@) similar to
freebsd-cvs@ for forum po
cpghost wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote:
>> You can register and start using our new service here:
>>
>> http://forums.FreeBSD.org
>
> How about setting up a bidirectional Forum <-> Mailing List bridge?
> Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a speci
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote:
> You can register and start using our new service here:
>
> http://forums.FreeBSD.org
How about setting up a bidirectional Forum <-> Mailing List bridge?
Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list,
say, [EMAIL
Matthew Seaman wrote:
Looks like the www/xpi-mozex port is a bit out of date. 1.9.5 in ports
versus 1.9.9 available on-line. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll
submit an update to the maintainer this evening.
ports/128945
Matthew
--
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil.
On Sunday 16 November 2008 11:04:28 am Brad Davis wrote:
> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce
> the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum.
Thank you!
For problem-solving and discussion my personal preference is still for
mailing lists, b
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET),
> Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce
> >> the availability of an official FreeBSD web based d
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:06:34AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>
> >>I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend.
> >>
> >
> >Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here.
> no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand
> what
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:40 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
> >>> attracting
> >>
> >> NO IT IS NOT!
> >
> > Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
> >
> > --
> minix doesn't
> maybe this webforum could help by redirecting some kind of folks to it,
> making mailing list less noisy.
If we're talking about signal to noise ratio, this thread is getting
pretty high on the noise end of the spectrum...
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questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can.
but soon it will be much worse.
I beg to differ. I don't like playing the `old fart' card, but I've
been a subscriber to questions for a decade or so. I haven't noticed
any significant reduction in the quality of traffic. It still rocks as
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>> those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they
>>> can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list
>>>
>>> they will not become experienced unix users ever.
>>
>> We can help as much
today we have at least 10:1
Let's not be too pessimistic, shall we? :D
i'm realistic.
those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they
can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list
they will not become experienced unix users ever.
We can help as much as we can
The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that
everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only
because they have different preference than you.
it's not preference. it's self-limiting to just single interface for
everything - WWW. today common trend.
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
| On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +, Matthew Seaman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with
|> firefox-3.0.4 ...
|
| It is. I'm using it with Firefox 3.0.4, aft
Hi,
> it already had for years. just required to turn on brain for a minute or
> less to send subscription mail
The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that
everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only
because they have different preference than you.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:08 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> _large_ number of inexperienced people may result in a significantly
>> lower signal/noise ratio. I can definitely agree to that.
>
> with 100:1 signal/noise ratio experienced people will start to leave the
>
Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but
continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points
are exagerrated to say the least.
exactly the same i heard years ago on NetBSD list, and more years ago on
linux list. time showed that i was right.
I am very
Hi,
> there are difference between "less experienced" and "idiots".
> the latter are less experienced and WANT TO keep it that way.
Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but
continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points
are exagerrated to say the least.
have).
while there may be some benefit to freebsd becoming 'popular', it would
it is already popular within experienced users. number one or two.
it's just enough.
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I don't want to fan the flames, but isn't that exactly what Wojciech is
suggesting? That Linux went wrong when it began to cater too much to
the perceived need to give former Windows users a "user-friendly"
system?
exactly.
Anyway, I suspect that this discussion more properly belongs on the
So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't
be Rolls-Royce anymore.
This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then.
FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever more users are using it.
if it would be kept high quality i would be able to pay for it
I have the perfect solution for you since you know more than 80 - 90
percent of the subscribers to this list.
Why not create you own operating system and then pick and choose who
could use it. All of the source you need is freely available.
because it will take too much time.
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FreeBSD? i don't think so.
While I can see the point you are trying to make, and it's a valid
concern, I don't fully agree.
What you are essentially hinting at is that having a forum will attract
less experienced users. I don't think less experienced people are, for
some reason, 'idiots', but
Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>
>> * Having five gazillion posts that say "me too", is not exactly a
>> productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get
>> when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand
>>
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +, Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> * Having five gazillion posts that say "me too", is not exactly a
>> productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get
>> when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperie
Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
* Having five gazillion posts that say "me too", is not exactly a
productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get
when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand
them a web interface to freely post short, often unintel
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce
>> the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum.
>> It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channe
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> In the same time, it's like Rolls-Royce of operating system.
>
> So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't
> be Rolls-Royce anymore.
This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then.
FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the
availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is
our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for
FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Charlie Kester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> * FBSD UG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]:
>
>
>> On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>
>> Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating
>>> and repeating the same mis
* FBSD UG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]:
On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating
and repeating the same mistake again.
why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD
become
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:47 +0100
FBSD UG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better?
> If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later
>
this is possibly good advice, but i think that wojciech makes a valid
warning and, imho, i thin
why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better?
what better exactly? sounds interesting. please add some details, because
for now i see that it going not better not worse but exactly the same way
as my examples.
If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or lat
On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential
user's question turned into a flamewar.
actually it's NOT a flamewar.
it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD c
No Offense
indeed it is offense. my opinion is different than yours so i have to
shut up. that's what you said/
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Indeed you are trolling
Considering that your way of thinking is actually a flame.
Also I never knew how to program before I even started to use *nix, but once
I did I began to learn how to code.
Also I know what your saying your in the dark ages it seems where, elites
rule
No Offense
_
I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend.
Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here.
no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand
what i write
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Wojciech Puchar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...snip...]
>
> I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend.
>
Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here.
--
Glen Barber
"If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential
user's question turned into a flamewar.
actually it's NOT a flamewar.
it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD community about the effect of doing
such nonsense li
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
attracting
NO IT IS NOT!
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
--
minix doesn't work well under high load. it's not even designed to do
this. maybe it will change, and full DMA ide drivers. will be
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Glen Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET)
>> Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET)
> Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
>> > attracting
>>
>> NO IT IS NOT!
>
> Well, it sounds like Minix
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means
> > attracting
>
> NO IT IS NOT!
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;)
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Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting
NO IT IS NOT!
complete beginners by what ever means work, since today's
Noob is potentially tomorrow's elite Kernel programmer.
At first he must be programmer at all. you can learn programming in
any OS, even that
It's independent of the mailing lists -- there's a feed of the News articles
that's fine - just i've checked it.
i was scared it will be webinterface to this mailing list.
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Wojciech Puchar wrote:
and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for
FreeBSD? i don't think so.
There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD.
OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for "specialists" (i mean just
someone bit advanced)?
will it be sepa
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:58:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the
>> availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is
>> our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for
>> FreeBSD us
and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for
FreeBSD? i don't think so.
There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD.
OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for "specialists" (i mean just
someone bit advanced)?
will it be separate forum or integrated
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>
> this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program
> and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for
> FreeBSD? i don't think so.
There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD.
If all people were specialists in Fre
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the
availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is
our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for
FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing
lists.
this w
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On Tuesday 14 September 2004 12:23 pm, Gary Hayden
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you want your support to grow, you better learn to foster new
> novices such as myself! I'm really not sure I want to converse with
> the "experts" within the forums! After reading several posts from
> individuals
Is the FreeBSD Forums which your website links with active? Is it open
to new members? Sorry to bother you if this is the wrong place to ask,
but no one in the Forums area seems to be responding to mail or requests.
I have been attempting to install Versions 4.10 or 5.2.1 for the last 2
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