ACPI suspend/resume on RELENG_7 vs. Dell Inspiron XPS

2008-11-18 Thread Scott Bennett
 I have a Dell Inspiron XPS (3.4 GHz P4 Prescott) that will be four years
old in a few more days.  Currently, I'm running 6.3 (mostly), but I intend to
install 7.1 once it has been released.  One thing that has never worked for me
under FreeBSD on this machine is the standby stuff (suspend/resume, etc.).
Does anyone know whether this will finally work right under RELENG_7
(especially 7.1-RELEASE)?
 Thanks in advance for any information on this matter.


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Re: ACPI suspend/resume on RELENG_7 vs. Dell Inspiron XPS

2008-11-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:57:15AM -0600, Scott Bennett wrote:
  I have a Dell Inspiron XPS (3.4 GHz P4 Prescott) that will be four years
 old in a few more days.  Currently, I'm running 6.3 (mostly), but I intend to
 install 7.1 once it has been released.  One thing that has never worked for me
 under FreeBSD on this machine is the standby stuff (suspend/resume, etc.).
 Does anyone know whether this will finally work right under RELENG_7
 (especially 7.1-RELEASE)?

I'd recommend posting the issue you have to freebsd-acpi.

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Re: Help! (Re: 7.1)

2008-11-18 Thread Ott Köstner

Ott Köstner wrote:

I had my workstation running 7.0-STABLE. Perfectly well till today. 
Now I compiled and installed the latest 7.1-PRERELEASE
and now Thunderbird and Firefox got really SLOW. Everything works, but 
Xorg is consuming time constatnly. Scrolling inbox is especially slow.



Asked the question and... answering it by my self...  ;)

Seems that rebuiding Nvidia 'Quadro4 380 XGL' driver solved the problem. 
Could it be? Anyway, it's OK now. I also rebuilt the Thunderbird.




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Delay startup of services in rc.conf || elswhere

2008-11-18 Thread bsd

Hello,


I have a server configured to start 10 services at startup (in /etc/ 
rc.conf)


Unfortunately, the startup of MySQL seems to be returning ok before  
It actually has started completely the program… the next program rely  
on MySQL and does not start well because the database is not fully  
started.


I would like to introduce something like a sleep 10 timer in the  
service startup process…



How can I do that?



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Vuala for FreeBSD

2008-11-18 Thread Konrad Heuer


Are there any chances to see FreeBSD supported by vua.la? Does anybody 
know?


Best regards
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Re: IPsec's use of processors

2008-11-18 Thread Riaan Kruger
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Patrick Lamaizière
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Le Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:37:58 +0200,
 Riaan Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

  I would like to know how IPsec makes use of a multi processor machine?
 
  I have gateway (FreeBSD 7.0) with four SAs configured. When testing
  throughput through the configured SAs, I see (with systat) that only
  one cpu works really hard (+-10% idle min), two others work a bit
  (+-70% idle min) and the fourth CPU does pretty much nothing.
 
  Is this normal, shouldn't at least the two cpus work hard because of
  the high throughput?

 I guess that's because the cryptographic requests are dispatched
 and done by two kernel threads. The thread 'crypto' dispatches and
 processes the requests, the thread 'crypto-returns' returns the results.

 You can see these kernel threads with top S H

 Regards.


Thanx for your reply.

So there is one thread to dispatch the crypto operations to the crypto
providers and another to get the return.  Also if i am using software crypto
providers, as supplied per default on FreeBSD, there will be effectively one
thread that does the actual symmetric crypto operations.  I think this is so
because the actual crypto operations in cryptosoft are synchronous and will
complete and then return. With hardware crypto providers the crypto thread
will pass the operation to the device and return letting the driver of the
device call back when it is done.

If my above assesment is correct then using the software crypto providers
will result in only 1 CPU effectively being used for symmetric encryption.

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Re: Vuala for FreeBSD

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Are there any chances to see FreeBSD supported by vua.la? Does anybody know?


no idea what vua.la, but ask it's author about it.
if it's already unix program (be it linux, solaris, netbsd, whatever) it's 
just matter of few hours (worst case few days) of work.




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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and
stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows.


versus linux - of course, versus windows - it's different OS, we should 
define how do you compare. for example running windows apps under FreeBSD 
with wine will probably be slower than under windows.



As your laptop was probably sold with windows, request it's 
manufacturer/reseller to fix the problems or give it back, and buy another 
better supported.



Anyway, how about you plus Google cash, and others (?), putting a simple
easy partition of MS hard  disks and FreeBSD install with a nice GUI. And
getting Google to distribute it to the World. My question is, how much


once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix.
All nice GUI for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will 
say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.


it will be very nice if someone/some company produce true windows 
compatible OS, running windows programs, windows installers, but being 
much better and faster.


of course - they could reuse lots of FreeBSD code, like device drivers for 
example and graphics modules from Xorg.


FreeBSD is very good in hardware support now, with most of drivers being 
very stable and high performance.


for now there is no such thing, except ReactOS which is in early alpha 
state.




hardware can you produce drivers for. Presumbably Apple Mac OSX have most of
the hardware drivers, so can you??


Mac OSX reused lots of unix code, mostly FreeBSD AFAIK, + everything by 
it's own.


it could be seen as a competitor for M$ Windows, if it's better or not i 
don't know, i don't use both.

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Re: Delay startup of services in rc.conf || elswhere

2008-11-18 Thread Valentin Bud
Hello bsd,

 I once had a problem just like yours. I introduced at the end
of the mysql startup script from /usr/local/etc/rc.d a sleep 10 command
and that did the trick.

all the best,
v

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:05 PM, bsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,


 I have a server configured to start 10 services at startup (in /etc/rc.conf)

 Unfortunately, the startup of MySQL seems to be returning ok before It
 actually has started completely the program… the next program rely on MySQL
 and does not start well because the database is not fully started.

 I would like to introduce something like a sleep 10 timer in the service
 startup process…


 How can I do that?


 
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Re: Delay startup of services in rc.conf || elswhere

2008-11-18 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 12:05:33 bsd wrote:
 Hello,


 I have a server configured to start 10 services at startup (in /etc/
 rc.conf)

 Unfortunately, the startup of MySQL seems to be returning ok before
 It actually has started completely the program… the next program rely
 on MySQL and does not start well because the database is not fully
 started.

 I would like to introduce something like a sleep 10 timer in the
 service startup process…


 How can I do that?

There's no standard support for this. You will have to modify the script in 
(/usr/local)/etc/rc.d/ for that service, specifically the ${name}_start 
function. You will however have to do this with each update, so it is 
generally better to contact the author of the service that depends on MySQL, 
to more gracefully start up: if the connection can't be made that it tries 
again until it does (maybe with a max_retries setting). This is very trivial 
stuff in daemons.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

If you're thinking of trying out FreeBSD, then this is the right place to
come.  A word of warning though: it's not at all like Windows, or even
MacOSX.  You will be expected to learn quite a bit about the low level


MacOSX can run unix programs, but in every other respect is not like unix 
as you said.



nitty-gritty of the OS in order to achieve the best results.  Of course,
the best results are very good indeed, and in my humble opinion, well
worth the effort required.

Installing on laptop type hardware is a tricky proposition: it's very much
luck of the draw whether your particular model has sufficient driver support


For FreeBSD supported laptops Lenovo as generally good choice.
Of course others may work too.

It's best to go to the shop and run LiveCD, check dmesg to see if 
everything is detected, check if it works, and then buy/not buy.


But yes - laptops have very often strange/nonstandard hardware.



Driver support really is the kicker in all of this.  Apple MacOSX doesn't
have this problem, since it only runs on Apple proprietary hardware.  If the


AFAIK it can be run on ordinary PC with simple patches. just because 
todays Apple hardware are just ordinary PCs, just with 2-3 times higher 
price ;)



Even if Apple does have a driver for a piece of kit not already supported in
FreeBSD, it cannot be assumed that Apple will automatically donate the code
to the FreeBSD project.


BTW are there any drivers in FreeBSD source tree that was written by 
Apple?


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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 12:27:42 Wojciech Puchar wrote:
  If you're thinking of trying out FreeBSD, then this is the right place to
  come.  A word of warning though: it's not at all like Windows, or even
  MacOSX.  You will be expected to learn quite a bit about the low level

 MacOSX can run unix programs, but in every other respect is not like unix
 as you said.

  nitty-gritty of the OS in order to achieve the best results.  Of course,
  the best results are very good indeed, and in my humble opinion, well
  worth the effort required.
 
  Installing on laptop type hardware is a tricky proposition: it's very
  much luck of the draw whether your particular model has sufficient driver
  support

 For FreeBSD supported laptops Lenovo as generally good choice.

Not anymore. They were when it was still IBM. Some in-depth discussion here:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2008-July/010831.html

And of course, there's:
http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html

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Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit

2008-11-18 Thread Derek Ragona

At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote:

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs  a network NTFS share I 
have

 a 2 GB size limit on files.  I checked the handbook and list archives but
 have not found a solution.

I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with
the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0.  I tried against a Windows 2003
Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB
file.

Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ?


It was writing to a smb share.



What is the server software and OS version ?
(if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as
it might make a difference)


Windows 2003 server 32bit.


How much disk space is left on your server volume ?


Over a terabyte free


Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ?


None


What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ?


No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb.  I was doing this using scp.


Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error
messages there ?


Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so not 
sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look.



You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the
SMB error message/error code.

I have heard of people running into similar problems when running
against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session
did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the
SMB server capabilities session negotiation)


I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large 
files sizes, and the lfs option.  But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any 
large file option.




  Supposedly there is an smbmount as part of the
 standard samba, but that doesn't seem to install from any of the samba
 ports.

smbmount is not included in the FreeBSD port of samba, as it is Linux
kernel specific.  mount_smbfs(8) is the correct userland app.

You could always try the samba smbclient(1) to access SMB shares using
an FTP-like environment.


I saw that as an option.  I may try that to test this issue.




 Any help would be appreciated.

Sorry I do not have a good solution for you.  Perhaps someone else
will give you better advice.


Thanks for the help!

-Derek

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Re: Delay startup of services in rc.conf || elswhere

2008-11-18 Thread RW
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:05:33 +0100
bsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 
 
 I have a server configured to start 10 services at startup (in /etc/ 
 rc.conf)
 
 Unfortunately, the startup of MySQL seems to be returning ok
 before It actually has started completely the program___ the next
 program rely on MySQL and does not start well because the database is
 not fully started.
 
 I would like to introduce something like a sleep 10 timer in the  
 service startup process___

The cleanest solution is to create a minimal rc script that will sort
between the mysql and the affected services, and just give it a start
command that pauses for 10 seconds. 

I do a similar thing where I poll for network access before allowing
anything that relies on it to start.



#!/bin/sh
#
# PROVIDE: networkwait
# REQUIRE: named
# BEFORE:  ntpdate

. /etc/rc.subr

networkwait_enable=${networkwait_enable:-NO}
name=networkwait
rcvar=`set_rcvar`
stop_cmd=:
start_cmd=networkwait_start   


networkwait_start(){
   if [ $networkwait_ping_hosts ] ; then
  host_list=${networkwait_ping_hosts}
   else
  # No hosts supplied - use external nameservers
  host_list=`awk '/^ *nameserver/ {print $2}
' /etc/resolv.conf | grep -E -v '^127\.0+\.0+\.0*1'`
   fi
   echo -n Waiting for network access ... 
   while true ; do
  for inet_host in $host_list ; do
 if ping -nc1  $inet_host 21  /dev/null ; then
echo ping to ${inet_host} succeeded.
# Re-Sync ipfilter and pf in case
# they had failed DNS lookups
/etc/rc.d/ipfilter resync
/etc/rc.d/pf resync
exit 0
 fi
  done
  sleep 5
   done
}

load_rc_config ${name}
run_rc_command $1
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Re: Vuala for FreeBSD (means wuala)

2008-11-18 Thread Beat Siegenthaler

wua.la is what you search for

java based, maybe in qemu or linux emulation..

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23:24PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar typed:
 
 once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix.
 All nice GUI for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will 
 say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.

I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth,
even when you keep repeating it over and over. there's a whole spectrum
of window/desktop environments to choose from for every conceivable
usage or need. 

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Re: pkg_delete core dump

2008-11-18 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi Mel,
   the link to download the +CONTENTS file is here
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YDKFRCZG, and you know what? I don't have
+REQUIRED_BY file.  thanks!!

there is a empty entry in the +CONTENTS file:

[snip]
@pkgdep linux-scim-libs-1.4.4
@comment DEPORIGIN:textproc/linux-scim-libs
@pkgdep
@comment $FreeBSD: ports/print/acroread8/pkg-plist,v 1.2 2008/04/13
18:36:28 hrs Exp $
[snip]

TFC

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Mel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 18 November 2008 05:18:37 Mel wrote:
 On Monday 17 November 2008 22:15:32 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
  Hi Mel,
 thank you for your help, now I recompile pkg_install and run
  pkg_delete again, under print/acroread8 it still coredump. here is the
  result:
 
  # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core
  GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD]
  Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you
  are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
  conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions.
  There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type show warranty for
  details. This GDB was configured as i386-marcel-freebsd...
  Core was generated by `pkg_delete'.
  Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
  Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...done.
  Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4
  Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...done.
  Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7
  Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done.
  Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1
  #0  0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7
  (gdb) bt
  #0  0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7
  #1  0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0)
  at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374

 There's the culprit. strcmp called on a null pointer. The reason is that
 the +CONTENTS file contains corrupted data. Most likely a @pkgdep line
 without a package name. Could you show the output of:
 grep @pkgdep /var/db/pkg/acroread8-8.1.2_2/+CONTENTS

 Actually, considering it comes from undepend, could you also include:
 cat /var/db/pkg/acroread8-8.1.2_2/+REQUIRED_BY

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Help needed: Which gcc version supports xmemalign

2008-11-18 Thread Vijayalakshmi BN
Hello,

I'm working on Solaris 9 and using gcc version 2.9.5. I'm facing issues with
respect to memory misalignment. I'm getting SIGBUS errors. Through various
websites, I found that xmemalign can be used while compiling to handle
memory alignment issues. Bu the version I'm using doesn't support xmemalign
option. Even gcc version 3.4.3 doesn't support. It says:
gcc: language memalign=1i not recognized
Can you let me know which version of gcc supports xmemalign option on
solaris? Also where can I download the gcc version from?

Thanks and Regards,
Viji
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi,

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:31, Ruben de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23:24PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar typed:

 once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix.
 All nice GUI for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will
 say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.

 I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth,
 even when you keep repeating it over and over. there's a whole spectrum
 of window/desktop environments to choose from for every conceivable
 usage or need.

You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be here
using this great OS if it had been you I met in the first place.
Fortuantely, there were very kind people here who helped me make first
steps into the world of UNIX and then continued supporting me along
the way.

By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
only discouraging fresh blood from entering the system. It is true
that the system has steep learning curve but it is not an elite system
for the chosen few. Contrary to what you think, the more people use
it, the more chance we get of (for example) hardware producers making
FBSD drivers. So please stop discouraging people from using it.
Please.

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Re: pkg_delete core dump

2008-11-18 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 13:37:11 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
 Hi Mel,
the link to download the +CONTENTS file is here
 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YDKFRCZG, and you know what? I don't have
 +REQUIRED_BY file.  thanks!!

 there is a empty entry in the +CONTENTS file:

 [snip]
 @pkgdep linux-scim-libs-1.4.4
 @comment DEPORIGIN:textproc/linux-scim-libs
 @pkgdep
 @comment $FreeBSD: ports/print/acroread8/pkg-plist,v 1.2 2008/04/13
 18:36:28 hrs Exp $

That's definetely the cause of the crash. The patch below should guard against 
pkg_delete crashing.
How this line got created in the first place, is very weird.

I would run:
grep -E '^@(pkgdep|name)[[:space:]]*$' /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS

Which would show all dependency lines and name directives that are empty. 
Maybe there's a common factor. For the moment my money is on linux-nvu as 
that would be the dependency that belongs at the empty spot:
# make -C /usr/ports/print/acroread8 actual-package-depends | sort -u -t : -k 
2
linux-atk-1.9.1:accessibility/linux-atk
linux-glib2-2.6.6_1:devel/linux-glib2
linux_base-fc-4_13:emulators/linux_base-fc4
linux-cairo-1.0.2:graphics/linux-cairo
linux-jpeg-6b.34:graphics/linux-jpeg
linux-png-1.2.8_2:graphics/linux-png
linux-tiff-3.7.1:graphics/linux-tiff
hicolor-icon-theme-0.10_2:misc/hicolor-icon-theme
acroreadwrapper-0.0.20080906:print/acroreadwrapper
linux-expat-1.95.8:textproc/linux-expat
linux-scim-libs-1.4.4:textproc/linux-scim-libs
linux-nvu-1.0:www/linux-nvu
linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_7:x11-fonts/linux-fontconfig
linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_1:x11-themes/linux-hicolor-icon-theme
linux-gtk2-2.6.10:x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2
linux-pango-1.10.2:x11-toolkits/linux-pango
linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5:x11/linux-xorg-libs


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Index: plist.c
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RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/plist.c,v
retrieving revision 1.52
diff -u -r1.52 plist.c
--- plist.c 28 Mar 2007 05:33:52 -  1.52
+++ plist.c 18 Nov 2008 12:51:02 -
@@ -31,6 +31,11 @@
 {
 PackingList tmp;

+if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' )
+{
+   warnx(Invalid packing list line ignored);
+   return;
+}
 tmp = new_plist_entry();
 tmp-name = copy_string(arg);
 tmp-type = type;
@@ -61,6 +66,11 @@
 {
 PackingList tmp;

+if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' )
+{
+   warnx(Invalid packing list line ignored);
+   return;
+}
 tmp = new_plist_entry();
 tmp-name = copy_string(arg);
 tmp-type = type;
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

All nice GUI for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will
say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.


I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth,


i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI.

it's poor mans windows.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

usage or need.


You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be here


is someone that simply use unix an expert?

no.



By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are


and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement.

as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low 
end unix and low end windows replacement, windows for poor.


not a nice future for FreeBSD IMHO.
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Re: Help needed: Which gcc version supports xmemalign

2008-11-18 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:40:08 Vijayalakshmi BN wrote:

 I'm working on Solaris 9 and using gcc version 2.9.5.

I can't for the life of me see any reason how this would be related to 
FreeBSD. Running FreeBSD 4 (gcc 2.x) on Sun hardware, maybe, but that doesn't 
seem to be the case.
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Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
and never get to the software part.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

For FreeBSD supported laptops Lenovo as generally good choice.


Not anymore. They were when it was still IBM. Some in-depth discussion here:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2008-July/010831.html


thanks for info. it was really on place as i told someone yesterday. 
fortunately he didn't yet buy laptop




And of course, there's:
http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html

very expensive. some lower end model (in addition to that) would be nice. 
FreeBSD isn't slow, so in most cases much less powerful and cheaper do 
fine.


i understand good part of the price is because it's made quite resistant 
physically.


anyway - if i will like to buy NEW laptop and someone will sell it in 
Poland i would buy this.



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Re: pkg_delete core dump

2008-11-18 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
it works!! thanks Mel.


TFC

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Mel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 18 November 2008 13:37:11 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
 Hi Mel,
the link to download the +CONTENTS file is here
 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YDKFRCZG, and you know what? I don't have
 +REQUIRED_BY file.  thanks!!

 there is a empty entry in the +CONTENTS file:

 [snip]
 @pkgdep linux-scim-libs-1.4.4
 @comment DEPORIGIN:textproc/linux-scim-libs
 @pkgdep
 @comment $FreeBSD: ports/print/acroread8/pkg-plist,v 1.2 2008/04/13
 18:36:28 hrs Exp $

 That's definetely the cause of the crash. The patch below should guard against
 pkg_delete crashing.
 How this line got created in the first place, is very weird.

 I would run:
 grep -E '^@(pkgdep|name)[[:space:]]*$' /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS

 Which would show all dependency lines and name directives that are empty.
 Maybe there's a common factor. For the moment my money is on linux-nvu as
 that would be the dependency that belongs at the empty spot:
 # make -C /usr/ports/print/acroread8 actual-package-depends | sort -u -t : -k
 2
 linux-atk-1.9.1:accessibility/linux-atk
 linux-glib2-2.6.6_1:devel/linux-glib2
 linux_base-fc-4_13:emulators/linux_base-fc4
 linux-cairo-1.0.2:graphics/linux-cairo
 linux-jpeg-6b.34:graphics/linux-jpeg
 linux-png-1.2.8_2:graphics/linux-png
 linux-tiff-3.7.1:graphics/linux-tiff
 hicolor-icon-theme-0.10_2:misc/hicolor-icon-theme
 acroreadwrapper-0.0.20080906:print/acroreadwrapper
 linux-expat-1.95.8:textproc/linux-expat
 linux-scim-libs-1.4.4:textproc/linux-scim-libs
 linux-nvu-1.0:www/linux-nvu
 linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_7:x11-fonts/linux-fontconfig
 linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_1:x11-themes/linux-hicolor-icon-theme
 linux-gtk2-2.6.10:x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2
 linux-pango-1.10.2:x11-toolkits/linux-pango
 linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5:x11/linux-xorg-libs


 --
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 Index: plist.c
 ===
 RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/plist.c,v
 retrieving revision 1.52
 diff -u -r1.52 plist.c
 --- plist.c 28 Mar 2007 05:33:52 -  1.52
 +++ plist.c 18 Nov 2008 12:51:02 -
 @@ -31,6 +31,11 @@
  {
 PackingList tmp;

 +if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' )
 +{
 +   warnx(Invalid packing list line ignored);
 +   return;
 +}
 tmp = new_plist_entry();
 tmp-name = copy_string(arg);
 tmp-type = type;
 @@ -61,6 +66,11 @@
  {
 PackingList tmp;

 +if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' )
 +{
 +   warnx(Invalid packing list line ignored);
 +   return;
 +}
 tmp = new_plist_entry();
 tmp-name = copy_string(arg);
 tmp-type = type;

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  usage or need.
 
  You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be
  here
 
 is someone that simply use unix an expert?
 
 no.
 
 
  By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
 
 and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix
 replacement.
 
 as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both
 low end unix and low end windows replacement, windows for poor.

This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was
really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I was
when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of course you
can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable
desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific
requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But
saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD.
Leave that to MS. ;-)

Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is
not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna)
in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL.

The only advantage Windows has is that many people are used to it.

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Re: large binary, why not strip ?

2008-11-18 Thread Paul B. Mahol
On 11/17/08, Masoom Shaikh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 
  most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on
   disk
  
  stripping em all reduces their size dramatically
  
  I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ?
 
  me too
  
  do I miss anything ?
 
  no.

 I am confused why both of you are seeing most of the programs
 installed this way.  Can you confirm that this is true and not just an
 exaggeration?

 As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their
 binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc).  These are
 bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case
 basis.

 Kris

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 Before sending mail I manually stripped * in /usr/local/bin

And what about /usr/local/lib/** ?


 else I cud send u the o/p of `ls -lhS`

 yes, most is bit exaggerated...I perhaps was talking about first five

 binaries listed in increasing order of size...
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar


This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
very powerful.


as KDE and Gnome and others.



when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
although they have a much smaller market share.


so why it have a much smaller market share?



Anyhow, of course you
can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable
desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific
requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But
saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD.
Leave that to MS. ;-)


after being one of sponsors of easy linux distributions and desktop 
environment (RedHat), microsoft now can say the truth that it's crap.




Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is


you don't have to tell me this. as all unix desktop environments are.
because this style of computing is limited by general.


In technical university nearest me there was (or is) a guy that when 
teaching students unix he said:


---
Don't use windows. Not because it crashes, not because it's buggy and not 
because it's damn slow. But because it learns bad habits, that are then 
almost impossible to get rid of.



For me the best sentence about it.
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Wifi Card for laptop

2008-11-18 Thread Albert Shih
Hi all

I would like to buy a PCMCIA card for my new laptop (because FreeBSD do not
recognise my internal wifi AND RJ45 ethernet cardsh** windows say it's
Broadcom netXtreme 57xx gigabit ).

So I just want to known what 802.11G card I can buy without drivers
problem.

My local dealer have those card :

Netgear WPN511 RangeMax

Netgear WG511 | PCMCIA WiFi 

D-LINK DWA-610

D-LINK DWL-G630

Trendnet TEW-421PC

D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ...

Linksys WPC54G

Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster

Trendnet TEW-441PC

Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-)


Regards.

JAS
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Re: shrink ntfs

2008-11-18 Thread Albert Shih
 Le 18/11/2008 à 01:39:48+0100, Albert Shih a écrit
 Hi all,
 
 Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) )
 
 I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk.
 
 If I've a laptop come with winxp  ? How can I shrink the
 WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? 
 
 If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? 
 

Thanks for your help. 

gparted work fine.

Regards.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:40:09PM +0100, Manfred Usselmann wrote:
 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET)
 Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   usage or need.
  
   You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be
   here
  
  is someone that simply use unix an expert?
  
  no.
  
  
   By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
  
  and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix
  replacement.
  
  as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both
  low end unix and low end windows replacement, windows for poor.
 
 This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
 very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was
 really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I was
 when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
 read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
 although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of course you
 can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable
 desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific
 requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But
 saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD.
 Leave that to MS. ;-)
 
 Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is
 not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna)
 in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL.
 
 The only advantage Windows has is that many people are used to it.

I am one of the few UNIX administrators who prefers to use Windows (XP
or 2K; cannot stand Vista) as a desktop/workstation operating system.
If we really want to talk about all the reasons why I abhor X, we can
discuss them some other time, because ultimately they don't (and
shouldn't) matter.  Why?  Because each person should conclude what works
best for them, depending upon whatever their needs are.

I have a lot of reasons for loathing X.  A *lot*.  I've spent a lot of
time (and even money; anyone remember AccelX back in the 90s?  Yep, I
bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot.  I'm not going
to provide details because it'll just induce more parking lot burn-outs
and that's not what I want.

Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows --
and I have co-workers who absolutely love OS X's GUI, and hate X and
Windows.  (In fact, the few OS X users I know get quite irate when they
find some OS X program actually relies on X11).

The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities
come into play.  Anyone who's used *IX will know what I mean by this.
PowerShell/Monad is a joke, Cygwin is an atrocity, 4NT/4DOS is too
quirky, and *IX application ports often have too many bugs (either not
handling NTFS filenames correctly (resorting to 8.3 format), or having
filesize limitations due to the porter doing it wrong; 2GB limits are
found in common programs including Win32 wget).

Every operating system/GUI/environment has its share of quirks.  It just
depends on which ones you can tolerate.  I can tolerate some of Windows'
quirks (sans focus stealing, although I'm told KDE applicationg are
starting down this road too), but cannot with X or OS X.  I suppose it's
because I've a mental stigma; I associate *IX and UNIX with servers, and
I likely always will.  *IX/UNIX on the desktop is a crazy idea to me.

That's all I have to say on the matter; I won't reply here on out.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Wojciech Puchar 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
 very powerful.


 as KDE and Gnome and others.


GUI's (and operating systems) should be evaluated by user type.  For many,
the command line is limiting.  For others, it is limitless.





  when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
 read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
 although they have a much smaller market share.


 so why it have a much smaller market share?


This is a big question that goes down many roads, including monopolistic
practices, effective marketing and the fact that Apple controls both their
OS and hardware, which made it less competitive for many years.  Better
does not always mean success in the marketplace. One of the best examples of
this is OS/2.  When I first started learning about Linux (FreeBSD came
later), I read many messages from older IT veterans that if OS/2 had
succeeded, they would have no need for Linux.


Andrew
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Ath vs Netgear wg311t stuck beacon error

2008-11-18 Thread Mark Busby
I am having trouble getting a Netgear WG311t card to work, I had tried 7.1beta 
but kept getting irq interrupt storm no matter what slot or irq was set to the 
slot/card. Installed 6.3, stuck beacon error. I have tried  a, b, and g mode. I 
have tested the card with other os's to see if was hardware.

ifconfig ath0 up
ifconfig ath0 inet 10.10.1.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid myap media 11g 
mediaopt hostap

from /var/log/messages
Nov 17 21:21:07 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:21:25 wall last message repeated 30 times
Nov 17 21:21:25 wall syslogd: exiting on signal 15
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall last message repeated 2 times
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process 
`vnlru' to stop...done
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process 
`bufdaemon' to stop...ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: done
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process 
`syncer' to stop...ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmi
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel:
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Syncing disks, vnodes remaining...1 ath0: stuck 
beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 1 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 0 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 0 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)

wall# vmstat -i
interrupt  total   rate
irq1: atkbd0  94  0
irq15: ata1   47  0
irq17: ath0   228298 33
irq20: atapci0  4678  0
irq23: vr0  2338  0
cpu0: timer 13615967   1999
Total   13851422   2034


pciconf -lv
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:  class=0x06 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x02041106 rev=0x00 
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge'
class  = bridge
subclass   = HOST-PCI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:1:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x12041106 
rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge'
class  = bridge
subclass   = HOST-PCI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:2:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x22041106 
rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge'
class  = bridge
subclass   = HOST-PCI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:3:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x32041106 
rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = '1394 i2c CPU to PCI Bridge'
class  = bridge
subclass   = HOST-PCI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:4:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x42041106 
rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge'
class  = bridge
subclass   = HOST-PCI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:7:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x72041106 
rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = 'K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge'
class  = bridge
subclass   = HOST-PCI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x chip=0xb1881106 rev=0x00 
hdr=0x01
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = 'VT8237 K8HTB CPU to AGP 2.0/3.0 Bridge'
class  = bridge
subclass   = PCI-PCI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:9:0:  class=0x02 card=0x700c1799 chip=0x001a168c rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.'
device = 'Atheros AR5005G Atheros AR5005G 802.11abg NIC Chipset / 
TP-Link (TL-WN551G)'
class  = network
subclass   = ethernet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:10:0:  class=0x02 card=0x05701317 chip=0x09851317 
rev=0x11 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'ADMtek Inc'
device = 'AN983 FastNIC PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter'
class  = network
subclass   = ethernet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:0:  class=0x01018f card=0x1b451019 chip=0x31491106 
rev=0x80 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = 'VT8237  VT6410 SATA RAID Controller'
class  = mass storage
subclass   = ATA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:1:  class=0x01018a card=0x1b451019 chip=0x05711106 
rev=0x06 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc'
device = 'VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C Bus Master IDE Controller'
class  = mass storage
subclass   = ATA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:16:0:class=0x0c0300 card=0x1b451019 chip=0x30381106 
rev=0x81 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'VIA 

OMSA Live CD, DSET and FreeBSD based Dell 2950 Server?

2008-11-18 Thread VeeJay
Hello there,

To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two
tools

1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I am
just wondering if it will work or not?
2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems

And seeking your comments in this regards:


*Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0*
**
*2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB
*Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot)
PE2950 English rack power cord
PE2950 Bezel Assembly
*16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD
6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5 HD Hot Plug*
PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane
*PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane
*CD/DVD Drive Cable
8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE
PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord
Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord
TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P
Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled
Drac 5 Card
*PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i
*

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Thanks!

BR / vj
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Dan
Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 12:23:24 +0100:
 FreeBSD is very good in hardware support now, with most of drivers being  
 very stable and high performance.

 for now there is no such thing, except ReactOS which is in early alpha  
 state.

Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
speed and scalability. Both are well optimized.

Unix is for servers, Windoze/OSX is for clients. They're much better
clients than Unix. Cut and paste still doesn't work well in Unix GUIs.
Think about that.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I am one of the few UNIX administrators who prefers to use Windows (XP
or 2K; cannot stand Vista) as a desktop/workstation operating system.


if you need really windows-like computing/desktop-environments/whatever is 
called they RIGHT - windows is most windows like and it's good choice.



bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot.  I'm not going


so you made the right decision.
but i think you use your windows through some NAT equipment/server when 
logging to your unix servers, or your passwords will quickly be 
compromissed ;)




Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows --


i don't like any of them, because i can't concentrate on the actual 
work with them. but not hate. hate in that context is nonsense.



The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities


windows CMD is a joke. simply.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in


for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel 
linux can even be better.


but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD 
flies, while linux chokes.


that's why i don't like benchmarks.

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Re: Wifi Card for laptop

2008-11-18 Thread Dan
Albert Shih([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 15:55:35 +0100:
 
   Netgear WPN511 RangeMax
   
   Netgear WG511 | PCMCIA WiFi 
   
   D-LINK DWA-610
   
   D-LINK DWL-G630
   
   Trendnet TEW-421PC
   
   D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ...
   
   Linksys WPC54G
   
   Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster
   
   Trendnet TEW-441PC


The Ralink chipset is well supported, and they are cheap cards. I have
this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315047

It works well even in host-ap mode, good reception. Did I mention
cheap??
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Dan
Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 16:51:16 +0100:

 Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
 hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in

 for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel  
 linux can even be better.

 but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD  
 flies, while linux chokes.

Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this?


 that's why i don't like benchmarks.

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Re: Wifi Card for laptop

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar


D-LINK DWL-G630

Trendnet TEW-421PC

D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ...

Linksys WPC54G

Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster

Trendnet TEW-441PC

ask about chipset they use and then look at FreeBSD site for hardware 
compatibility. FreeBSD supports a lot of wireless cards.


sometimes even more works using driver converter (ndisgen) that converts 
windows XP drivers. But performance may (will) be lower.



Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-)


what it is? FreeBSD supports most (but not all) network cards
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:16:37PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar typed:
 All nice GUI for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will
 say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.
 
 I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth,
 
 i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI.

And you fail miserably at noticing a single opinion of any unix user here who
works happily in a (mostly) GUI environment.
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Re: Help needed: Which gcc version supports xmemalign

2008-11-18 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Nov 18), Vijayalakshmi BN said:
 I'm working on Solaris 9 and using gcc version 2.9.5. I'm facing
 issues with respect to memory misalignment. I'm getting SIGBUS
 errors. Through various websites, I found that xmemalign can be used
 while compiling to handle memory alignment issues. Bu the version I'm
 using doesn't support xmemalign option. Even gcc version 3.4.3
 doesn't support. It says: gcc: language memalign=1i not recognized
 Can you let me know which version of gcc supports xmemalign option on
 solaris? Also where can I download the gcc version from?

-xmemalign=ab is a Sun Studio compiler flag, not a GCC flag.  If you
don't already have it, you can download it free from
http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/ .  If for some reason you must use
a GCC frontend, you can try GCC for Sparc Systems (
http://cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc/ ), which supports all the regular
GCC flags plus many Sun Studio ones, including xmemalign:

http://cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc/flags.html

But as Mel said, this has nothing to do with FreeBSD, so this post
doesn't exist.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

 usage or need.
 
 You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be here
 
 is someone that simply use unix an expert?
 
 no.
 
 
 By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
 
 and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement.

Time to forget this.It is a semantic and religious battle
playing hair splitting games with words.It is not a MS clone
but it is an MS replacement.   If you overwrite your MS-Win with
FreeBSD, it completely replaces it.   It will do everything you need
except look like MS-Win and people who are trying to get out of MS-land
are happy to find that to be true.Give them a hand rather than
a kick in the face.

jerry


 
 as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low 
 end unix and low end windows replacement, windows for poor.
 
 not a nice future for FreeBSD IMHO.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi,

 but it is an MS replacement.   If you overwrite your MS-Win with
 FreeBSD, it completely replaces it.   It will do everything you need
 except look like MS-Win and people who are trying to get out of MS-land
 are happy to find that to be true.Give them a hand rather than
 a kick in the face.

Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you
often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?!

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FreeBSD Media Center

2008-11-18 Thread Gary Hartl
Hi all;

 

I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.

 

I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
something like that feeding to my tv.

 

Anyone with any feedback on this.

 

Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta?

 

Thanks 

 

Gary

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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

2008-11-18 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Gary Hartl wrote:
 Hi all;

  

 I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.

  

 I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
 something like that feeding to my tv.

  

 Anyone with any feedback on this.
   


I believe it will work in this respect, though it will probably be
unable to run high bit rate movies.  It should play the average DivX
though.
I would go with a minimal X environment and mplayer (the command line
version) which I feel is the best in decoding media files (vlc is also a
good choice).

  

 Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta?

  

 Thanks 

  

 Gary
   

Well, mythtv is in the ports tree,  and is the first that comes to mind.
I've never used it myself and as I understand it is going to be kind of
an overkill for this machine of yours.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:49:40PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

 
 This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
 very powerful.
 
 as KDE and Gnome and others.
 
 
 when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
 read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
 although they have a much smaller market share.
 
 so why it have a much smaller market share?

Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to
sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their
machines, they had to put it on all of them.   So, immediately
every single PC that was sold ran some MS.   Most people went
with the flow.  It was an easier business decision than trying
to buck that current.   This action should be considered totally
illegal in the USA and probably many other countries.  It is 
restraint of trade and forming a monopoly.   Kodak lost a big
case with similar ramifications many decades ago when they were
refusing to sell film without including processing.  But, the law 
cases against MS tended to be centered around including stuff 
like IE in the OS and making it difficult to switch to Netscape
or other browsers.   Forcing the OS on everyone seemed to fall off
after the settlement (more like winding down) of those cases and 
now some PC sellers who still sell XP or Vista will sell you a 
machine with something else or even nothing.   But, the damage is
done.   People/businesses have put a lot in to MS-Win, not only
buying it and hiring large support forces to get it to work, but
also in staff training and acquiring other products to function
with it.

There are plenty of people who are happy to just stick with MS and
not think about it any more - just like businesses stuck with IBM
and never listened to any other vendor back in their glory days.
They will not be the ones who go to the trouble to read enough
about FreeBSD to find this Email list and post questions about it.

When someone goes looking for something OTHER than MS, then they 
are out of that MS fold and are searching for something better, not
just for MS by another name.  FreeBSD IS better.   Some portion of
those will look at it and decide to forget it.  So what!?  That is 
their problem.   But, it is completely non-helpful to keep chanting 
the 'it ain't MS' mantra in the face of people who are looking to 
get away from MS.   That is really 'DIS-ing' then to use a fad
term that has fallen out of popularity.

It is reasonable to caution people that FreeBSD and other UNIXen
have a fairly steep learning curve.   But, that is not an
inpenetrable impediment.   It is just part of the job of moving
to something better.   Anyone serious about finding a good
alternative will take on that challenge willingly.   

It is not reasonable to continue to throw up unnecesary barriers
to people moving to improve themselves.

jerry


 
 Anyhow, of course you
 can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable
 desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific
 requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But
 saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD.
 Leave that to MS. ;-)
 
 after being one of sponsors of easy linux distributions and desktop 
 environment (RedHat), microsoft now can say the truth that it's crap.
 
 
 Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is
 
 you don't have to tell me this. as all unix desktop environments are.
 because this style of computing is limited by general.
 
 
 In technical university nearest me there was (or is) a guy that when 
 teaching students unix he said:
 
 ---
 Don't use windows. Not because it crashes, not because it's buggy and not 
 because it's damn slow. But because it learns bad habits, that are then 
 almost impossible to get rid of.
 
 
 For me the best sentence about it.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:16:37PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

 All nice GUI for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will
 say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.
 
 I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth,
 
 i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI.
 
 it's poor mans windows.

So, we are not respopnding to someone looking for Windos, but to
someone looking for something else.GUI was not even mentioned
in the OP.If the guy tries FreeBSD and finds its GUI resources
not to his liking he can easily continue looking around.  He asked
for information about FreeBSD, not about finding a MS-Win look-alike.

jerry

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[OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Andrew Gould
Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need
occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X.  The
Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux
printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi).

Question:  Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, will
I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer?  I only need
printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer.

Thanks,

Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0500, Dan wrote:

 Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 16:51:16 +0100:
 
  Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
  hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
 
  for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel  
  linux can even be better.
 
  but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD  
  flies, while linux chokes.
 
 Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this?
 

I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few 
years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance
systems for purchase here, we found this to often be the case.
Some systems just screamed on certain very parallel tasks, but
practically came to a halt when a mix of tasks were run or even
when trying to edit a script while things were running.   Others
were slightly less hot on the highly specialized tasks, but did
well - much better - on the mix.  We chose the system that handled
the mix - which ran a BSD UNIX by the way, although a proprietary
version as did most back then.

Anyway, so, even though I haven't compared FreeBSD and Linux, I am
not surprised to hear someone say there is this sort of difference.
It is possible.   Someone might investigate further and put out
some verifiable numbers.

jerry


 
  that's why i don't like benchmarks.
 
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0500, Dan wrote:

  Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 16:51:16
 +0100:
  
   Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
   hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
  
   for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in
 parallel
   linux can even be better.
  
   but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD
   flies, while linux chokes.
 
  Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this?
 

 I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few
 years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance
 systems for purchase here, we found this to often be the case.
 Some systems just screamed on certain very parallel tasks, but
 practically came to a halt when a mix of tasks were run or even
 when trying to edit a script while things were running.   Others
 were slightly less hot on the highly specialized tasks, but did
 well - much better - on the mix.  We chose the system that handled
 the mix - which ran a BSD UNIX by the way, although a proprietary
 version as did most back then.

 Anyway, so, even though I haven't compared FreeBSD and Linux, I am
 not surprised to hear someone say there is this sort of difference.
 It is possible.   Someone might investigate further and put out
 some verifiable numbers.

 jerry


I don't have verifiable numbers; but I can speak from personal experience.
I do complex financial/clinical data analysis for hospitals.  I was using MS
Access as a front-end.  On the server end, I started with Linux and
PostgreSQL.  I moved from Linux to FreeBSD because during my more
complicated series of queries, the Linux system would slow to a crawl.
Sometimes, the PostgreSQL server would die.  This never happened with
FreeBSD.  I even added Samba services and a web forum for the department.

From 2000 to 2006, the only unplanned downtime experienced with my
PostgreSQL/FreeBSD combo was due to 2 separate, prolonged power outages.
When power was restored, the hardware and database servers came back
online.  Sadly, I no longer work there; and no longer have control over
database assets.

I read once that:  The difference between the lab and the real world is
that, in the lab, there is no difference.  I wish I had noted the source.

Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread en0f
Guys,

stephen jackson wrote:
 I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and
 stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows.

[ ... ]

Can we play cool with each other? If someone likes/has to use Gnu/Linux over 
FreeBSD or for that matter
any other operating system, maybe its their choice;

If someone finds FreeBSD runs well compared to Gnu/Linux, could they just point 
to the right benchmark on the web or
post their personal benchmark here and be done with it? :)

My point being that we could all be doing something really productive right now 
instead of discussing
about all these. Don't you guys think so?

Relax fellas.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Dan
Jerry McAllister([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 11:49:47 -0500:
 I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few 
 years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance

Oh well, that was a few years ago...

Even So, a few years ago Felix von Leitner did webserving benchmarks for
both. Linux won, but FreeBSD was very close behind.

http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/
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RE: FreeBSD Media Center

2008-11-18 Thread Gary Hartl


-Original Message-
From: michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: November-18-08 11:30 AM
To: Gary Hartl
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Media Center



Gary Hartl wrote:
 Hi all;

  

 I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig
hdd.

  

 I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
 something like that feeding to my tv.

  

 Anyone with any feedback on this.

  

 Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta?

  

 Thanks 

  

 Gary
   
It will run. I'd put a bit more ram in, especially if the video card is 
lacking. I assume it has svideo out? or are you feeding with vga out?

Yeah i'm going to be bumping it to 512mb which is the laptop max, I will be
running vga out coupling to dvi on the tv.
With a y audio cable from the sound card.



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Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
 Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need
 occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X.  The
 Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux
 printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi).
 
 Question:  Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, will
 I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer?  I only need
 printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer.

I'm not sure that apple uses a non-modified CUPS. It is conceivable that
they have incorporated extra (not open) drivers that aren't in the
standard distribution.

If you want to be safe, buy a printer that understands PostScript. That
will work on FreeBSD (and all other UNIX variants).

Roland
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:51:07PM +0100, Mel wrote:
 
 Not anymore. They were when it was still IBM. Some in-depth discussion here:
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2008-July/010831.html

Well, that's disappointing.

My current laptop is a Thinkpad R52, from just after the sale to Lenovo
but while production was still going on in IBM facilities here in the
States.  It's a great piece of equipment and, aside from the fact that I
made the mistake of getting the model with an ATI graphics adapter rather
than an Intel adapter, it has perfectly suited my needs.  I've been a
long-time fan of Thinkpads, and I haven't found another laptop I like
nearly as much.  Even the feel of the keyboard is better than that of any
other line of laptops I've encountered.

I wondered if there might be dropping production value issues when the PC
division of IBM was sold off to Lenovo.  I'm pretty disappointed to
discover that was probably the case.  Another R52 purchased for my
significant other, a year after acquiring this laptop, has seemed to be
exactly as good as this one, with one exception: while the keyboard feel
is still better than that of any non-Thinkpad I've ever encountered, it
feels just slightly more flimsy and cheap than this Thinkpad's keyboard.
I'm pretty sure that second R52 was manufactured in a Lenovo facility
that was *not* inherited from IBM, and I wonder if that might be why the
keyboard has that different feel.


 
 And of course, there's:
 http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html

I just spoke to a representative from iXsystems about the Invincibook.
It sound very promising.  My only complaint so far (having not had a
chance to check out how the keyboard feels, how heavy it is, how hot it
gets during operation, and so on) is that it's only planned to provide a
touchpad as an integrated pointing device.  One of the surprising
benefits of Thinkpads over the years has been the trackpoint, in part
because I don't have to break contact between my thumbs and the spacebar
when using the pointing device (I'm a Vim user), and in part because with
touchpads the heels of my hands occasionally brush across the thing
causing interesting problems with mouse pointer behavior while I'm
typing.  I'm also not too keen on the relative lack of mouse cursor
precision with a touchpad.

If it's all it promises to be, though, the Invincibook will probably be
worth the sacrifice of the trackpoint, especially considering the
apparent drop in production quality for Thinkpads.

In the conversation with the iXsystems representative, by the way, I was
told that the major holdup at the moment for Invincibooks going into
production is ACPI support -- of course.  I'm not terribly surprised,
since ACPI seems to *always* be the bugbear of laptop support.  I'm
pretty keen on the idea of finally having a laptop that can suspend to
RAM and, even more importantly for my purposes, to disk.  I'm willing to
wait until they get that part right, because hibernation is kind of a
killer feature for me -- or would be, if someone would finally get it
right.  I suppose one could say that it works just fine on my Thinkpad,
with the caveat that it fails to come back from suspension to either RAM
or disk, but that kinda defeats the purpose.

Anyway . . . I started out with my two cents on the matter, and ended up
rambling about a bunch of tangential nonsense.  I think that means it's
time to close up this email.

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Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit

2008-11-18 Thread David Horn
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Derek Ragona
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs  a network NTFS share I
 have
 a 2 GB size limit on files.  I checked the handbook and list archives but
 have not found a solution.

 I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with
 the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0.  I tried against a Windows 2003
 Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB
 file.

 Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ?

 It was writing to a smb share.


 What is the server software and OS version ?
 (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as
 it might make a difference)

 Windows 2003 server 32bit.

 How much disk space is left on your server volume ?

 Over a terabyte free

 Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ?

 None

 What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ?

 No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb.  I was doing this using
 scp.

Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down
the wrong path of investigation.

Did you really mean to say scp or cp ?
 scp(1)   - secure copy (remote file copy program)
 cp(1)- copy files

If you really meant scp, then the problem is not mount_smbfs, but
instead likely a buggy scp client or server (which does not use smb
for transport, but ssh)

What is the exact byte count that your write stops at ?  You
originally stated 2GB, then 1GB.


 Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error
 messages there ?

 Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so not
 sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look.

 You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the
 SMB error message/error code.

 I have heard of people running into similar problems when running
 against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session
 did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the
 SMB server capabilities session negotiation)

 I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large
 files sizes, and the lfs option.  But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any
 large file option.


Only bother with this next bit if you are morbidly curious as to how
things work rather than just want to solve your problem, as it gets
into the nitty gritty details of smb:

mount_smbfs will allow for lfs (CAP_LARGE_FILE) automatically by
specifying it's dialect capabilities in the smb negotiation.

If you umount your smb share, then start a tcpdump you can capture the
smb negotiation Capabilities bitmask to see if CAP_LARGE_FILE is
being negotiated - the server specifies this capability.  The client
just sends the dialects of smb supported.For example:

tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host server.example.com | grep Capabilities

{  where em0 is the network interface in use on FreeBSD and
server.example.com is the hostname/ip address of your smb server  }

Then do a mount of the smb share (while tcpdump is running) and you
should capture the Capabilities negotiated.

For example:

Capabilities=0x1F3FD

If you decode the bitmask by using this reference :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302230.aspx {hint:  only
look at the last four bytes of the Capabilities line (e.g. F3FD in my
example)} Or if you have kernel source installed, you can look in
/usr/src/sys/netsmb/smb.h for the details.

   - Capabilities: 0x0001F3FD
  RawMode:(...1) Supports
SMB_COM_READ_RAW and SMB_COM_WRITE_RAW (CAP_RAW_MODE)
  MpxMode:(..0.) No
Support for SMB_COM_READ_MPX or SMB_COM_WRITE_MPX (CAP_MPX_MODE)
  Unicode:(.1..) Supports
Unicode Strings (CAP_UNICODE)
  LargeFiles: (1...) Supports
large files with 64-bit offsets (CAP_LARGE_FILES)
  NTSMBs: (...1) Supports
SMB NTLM 0.12 dialect commands (implies CAP_NT_FIND) (CAP_NT_SMBS)
  RPCRemoteAPIs:  (..1.) Supports
remote API requests using RPC over named pipe connections
(CAP_RPC_REMOTE_APIS)
  NTStatus:   (.1..) Can
respond with 32-bit NT status codes in Status (CAP_NT_STATUS)
  LevelIIOplocks: (1...) Supports
Level II oplocks ( CAP_LEVEL_II_OPLOCKS)
  LockAndRead:(...1) Supports
SMB_COM_LOCK_AND_READ and SMB_COM_WRITE_AND_UNLOCK (CAP_LOCK_AND_READ)
  NtFind: (..1.) Supports
Windows NT information level requests (SMB_QUERY_?, SMB_SET_?)
(CAP_NT_FIND)
  Reserved_bits10_11: 

porting jdownloader to freebsd

2008-11-18 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi,
   does anyone port Jdownloader (java app) to freebsd yet??

thanks!!

TFC
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23:24PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and
 stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows.
 
 versus linux - of course, versus windows - it's different OS, we should 
 define how do you compare. for example running windows apps under FreeBSD 
 with wine will probably be slower than under windows.

This is not as constant a truism as one might think.  I haven't run much
software in Wine, but what I have has performed comparably with how it
did on MS Windows, for the most part.  The one case where I could even
detect a difference in performance was with World of Warcraft -- and it
performed much better under Wine than on MS Windows, even on the same
machine.


 
 Anyway, how about you plus Google cash, and others (?), putting a simple
 easy partition of MS hard  disks and FreeBSD install with a nice GUI. And
 getting Google to distribute it to the World. My question is, how much
 
 once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix.
 All nice GUI for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will 
 say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.

Poppycock.  There are several desktop environments for Unix-like
systems that compare well with MS Windows and Apple MacOS X for matters
of glitz and glamour, even giving a far more confection-laden user
friendly appeal overall than the proprietary competition, as I've
pointed out before:

  http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=335

In fact, I seem to recall responding to *you* in particular about this
subject on this mailing list before:

  http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-June/176889.html


 
 it will be very nice if someone/some company produce true windows 
 compatible OS, running windows programs, windows installers, but being 
 much better and faster.

Why the hell would I want windows installers?  The Microsoft model of
software installation is antiquated, inefficient, restrictive, and
difficult to manage.  While I'm at it, I'd miss more of the software
available on FreeBSD if I switched to MS Windows than I do of MS Windows
software when I'm on FreeBSD.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

versus linux - of course, versus windows - it's different OS, we should
define how do you compare. for example running windows apps under FreeBSD
with wine will probably be slower than under windows.


This is not as constant a truism as one might think.  I haven't run much
software in Wine, but what I have has performed comparably with how it
did on MS Windows, for the most part.  The one case where I could even


very possible. i'm even sure it could work better when good filesystem I/O 
and VM performance is required. but it may work slower in many cases.


i used wine to run demoscene prods - usually it works slower than in 
windows.



compatible OS, running windows programs, windows installers, but being
much better and faster.


Why the hell would I want windows installers?  The Microsoft model of


to be able to just put say - M$ Office or Corel Draw or whatever CD , 
click install and get installed

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this?


no. for me it's important that i confirmed this. that's why i'm far away 
from using linux anywhere.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Time to forget this.It is a semantic and religious battle
playing hair splitting games with words.It is not a MS clone
but it is an MS replacement.   If you overwrite your MS-Win with
FreeBSD, it completely replaces it.


and you get something completely different. FORTUNATELY different.

but - if millions of now-windows users starts switching to FreeBSD, it 
will quickly become more and more similar. as linux did.

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Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread David Kelly
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
  Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the
  need occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using
  Mac OS X.  The Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's
  not in the Linux printing database yet
  (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi).
  
  Question:  Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the
  Mac, will I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the
  printer?  I only need printing functions (not scan, etc) for the
  FreeBSD computer.
 
 I'm not sure that apple uses a non-modified CUPS. It is conceivable
 that they have incorporated extra (not open) drivers that aren't in
 the standard distribution.

MacOS X will share a printer with Windows. I don't know how the driver
thing is negotiated. The Mac may happily accept Postscript and then do
whatever is needed to print.

 If you want to be safe, buy a printer that understands PostScript.
 That will work on FreeBSD (and all other UNIX variants).

Sounds like the OP is looking for color. If BW is enough my favorite
inexpensive printer is the Brother HL-5250DN. Speaks Postscript-clone,
PCL-5 and PCL-6. Direct network connection so each computer speaks
directly to the printer. Duplex. About 25 ppm. Third party toner reloads
cost about $25 for 5,000 pages. The printer sells for $150 to $250
depending on sales and whether you can find a refurbished unit.

Years ago I had access to an HP 5000N that would print photo quality
matte (not glossy) BW on plain paper. Not quite sure what it is about
the Brother (or printer drivers because this was pre-MacOS X) but I
enjoyed wonderful cheap BW prints off the HP but the Brother isn't
nearly as good. Text and line graphics are excellent.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 
 By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
 
 and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement.

It did a quite admirable job of replacing MS Windows for me.  I don't
know why you're so down on it.


 
 as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low 
 end unix and low end windows replacement, windows for poor.

Replacing MS Windows is not the same as becoming MS Windows.  Ubuntu has
been pursuing the specter of MS Windows feature parity for a while, and
as a result has become something I have no interest in touching.
Meanwhile, PC-BSD has been pursuing the goal of *replacing* MS Windows,
which is not at all the same thing as *becoming* MS Windows, and it seems
to be doing a great job of that without adopting MS Windows' flaws.  The
only limitation on the quality of PC-BSD, in my experience, seems to be
KDE, but I've long since given up caring about the default GUI facade on
open source OSes, since they *all* use KDE or GNOME (except a rare few
that use XFCE by default, when they want something light).

KDE and GNOME (and even XFCE) are frighteningly bloated user environments
that seem lightweight only in comparison with the even more awfully huge
and lumbering GUIs of MS Windows and Apple MacOS X -- so I just take it
as a given that every OS in the world uses something bloated and
cumbersome for its GUI, and resolve to either not install the GUI (if
that's an option) or uninstall the GUI after the system is installed,
then install something different in its place.  In other words, there's
basically no escaping the problems inherent in something like KDE, GNOME,
or even XFCE if you go with default GUI setup -- but aside from that,
PC-BSD is doing an excellent job of becoming the definitive MS Windows
replacement OS without adopting MS Windows problems.

. . . and, as I said, FreeBSD is a great MS Windows replacement for me.
I don't miss MS Windows *at all* when I'm using FreeBSD on my laptop
every single day.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

are happy to find that to be true.Give them a hand rather than
a kick in the face.


Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you
often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?!


i will do exactly what i'm doing now. no more no less.

helping those who ask questions that make sense, and i know the answer (or 
think i know).


And fixing bad statements and bad ideas. like the idea of replacing 
windows with unix without first learning unix from basics.


And the idea that having as much FreeBSD users as possible is a good 
thing. it is not.


unless FreeBSD will change to commercial product that will be sold, then 
yes - get as much users as possible.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar

so why it have a much smaller market share?


Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to
sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their


Apple produces it's own computers. Actually a branded PCs now.
what a problem?

the problem is that Apple works the same way as Commodore 20-15 years ago.

Trying to get prices as high as possible, instead of looking in future.

Exactly what apple do now - selling ordinary PC (just more stylish cases) 
2-3 times more expensive.


if Apple computers would be similarly prices or slightly higher, then 
they could really compete.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 07:10:48AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:40:09PM +0100, Manfred Usselmann wrote:
 
 I have a lot of reasons for loathing X.  A *lot*.  I've spent a lot of
 time (and even money; anyone remember AccelX back in the 90s?  Yep, I
 bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot.  I'm not going
 to provide details because it'll just induce more parking lot burn-outs
 and that's not what I want.

I loathe Firefox.  I find it incredibly annoying, bloated, cumbersome,
and otherwise sucky.  Unfortunately, the disadvantages of every other Web
browser I've encountered are *worse* (though Chromium shows promise, if
it ever gets ported to BSD Unix systems), so I keep using Firefox as my
primary browser.

The same applies to the X Window System.  It sucks.  It is laden with
various and sundry big problems; annoyances and poor design decisions
litter the X Window System.  The drawbacks of Luna, Aqua, and Aero are
all even worse than those of the X Window System, though, so I still with
X.


 
 Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows --
 and I have co-workers who absolutely love OS X's GUI, and hate X and
 Windows.  (In fact, the few OS X users I know get quite irate when they
 find some OS X program actually relies on X11).

I'd be annoyed by that, too.  Software that is ported to other systems
should not drag along baggage like assumed reliance on other software
particular to the source system.  I get similarly irate at discovering
I've discovered an application that depends on a metric crapload of KDE
or GNOME libraries.  I don't think getting irate over software relying on
software that you otherwise don't have on your system, and that does not
provide functionality actually important to the operation of the software
you actually want, is really much of an indicator of how individualized
GUI taste can be.


 
 The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities
 come into play.  Anyone who's used *IX will know what I mean by this.
 PowerShell/Monad is a joke, Cygwin is an atrocity, 4NT/4DOS is too
 quirky, and *IX application ports often have too many bugs (either not
 handling NTFS filenames correctly (resorting to 8.3 format), or having
 filesize limitations due to the porter doing it wrong; 2GB limits are
 found in common programs including Win32 wget).

I'm curious -- what exactly do you dislike about PowerShell?  This is the
first time I've really heard such a complaint about it.


 
 Every operating system/GUI/environment has its share of quirks.  It just
 depends on which ones you can tolerate.  I can tolerate some of Windows'
 quirks (sans focus stealing, although I'm told KDE applicationg are
 starting down this road too), but cannot with X or OS X.  I suppose it's
 because I've a mental stigma; I associate *IX and UNIX with servers, and
 I likely always will.  *IX/UNIX on the desktop is a crazy idea to me.

This is in line with my experience of people who prefer the MS Windows
interface over that of the X Window System -- their preference is usually
dominated by matters of familiarity.  I'm kind of the opposite type of
person in that regard: I regularly try something new, because I'm always
looking for a better way to do things.

 
 That's all I have to say on the matter; I won't reply here on out.

That's a bummer.  I'd like to know your thoughts on some of my above
commentary -- particularly on the subject of PowerShell.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
   
 By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
   
 and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement.
 

 It did a quite admirable job of replacing MS Windows for me.  I don't
 know why you're so down on it.


   
 as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low 
 end unix and low end windows replacement, windows for poor.
 

 VERY LARGE AND NASTY SNIP

 . . . and, as I said, FreeBSD is a great MS Windows replacement for me.
 I don't miss MS Windows *at all* when I'm using FreeBSD on my laptop
 every single day.

   

(Responding to random post)

Could we please *close* this discussion now?
This is simply a waste of the list resources, people will always have
ideas on why an OS is better or worse than another. If the original
poster wanted to know something about all this, he would have probably
commented by now. Has it come to anyone's mind that the original post
was probably a simple act of trolling? (and someone is now amused by all
this?)

In the end, when someone is presented with the facts and can have a
hands on experience with a system (and it won't cost him a dime to do
so), he can decide whether he wants to use it, whether it can replace
his current system and whether he is willing to climb the steep learning
curve. Let's give people choice, we don't need to force this or any
other OS down anyone's throat.
Let's just help whoever comes in here - Some will appreciate FreeBSD
*and* the community and will stay. And it will be there choice.

Just my 2c
Over and out ;)

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:42:26AM -0500, Dan wrote:
 Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 12:23:24 +0100:
  FreeBSD is very good in hardware support now, with most of drivers being  
  very stable and high performance.
 
  for now there is no such thing, except ReactOS which is in early alpha  
  state.
 
 Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
 hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
 speed and scalability. Both are well optimized.
 
 Unix is for servers, Windoze/OSX is for clients. They're much better
 clients than Unix. Cut and paste still doesn't work well in Unix GUIs.
 Think about that.

Uh . . . what?

I'll try pasting something:

  Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]

Yep, works great.  In fact, I *love* that middle-click paste thing, and
on the rare occasion that I find myself sitting down in front of an MS
Windows machine, I find myself quickly lamenting the existence of
middle-click pasting, and start wondering why MS Windows is such a
primitive excuse for a desktop operating system.

I don't know where you get the idea that MS Windows is so good at being a
client and FreeBSD is so bad at it.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:13:40AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
 
 I read once that:  The difference between the lab and the real world is
 that, in the lab, there is no difference.  I wish I had noted the source.

The way I'd heard that sentiment was slightly different:

  In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they
  aren't.

. . . or something to that effect.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Robert Huff
Chad Perrin writes:

   I read once that:  The difference between the lab and the real 
   world is that, in the lab, there is no difference.  I wish I
   had noted the source.
  
  The way I'd heard that sentiment was slightly different:
  
In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they
aren't.
  
  . . . or something to that effect.

The difference between theory and practice, in theory, is much
smaller than the difference between theory and practice, in
practice.


Robert Huff

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Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
 Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need
 occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X.  The
 Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux
 printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi).
 
 Question:  Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, will
 I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer?  I only need
 printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer.

Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available
as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and
that it's a Postscript printer.  If you want to get a printer and connect
it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then
you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without
problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer.  If it isn't, you may
have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the
network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD
systems.

Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800.  I'm happy
with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network.

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Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available
 as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and
 that it's a Postscript printer.  If you want to get a printer and connect
 it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then
 you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without
 problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer.  If it isn't, you may
 have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the
 network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD
 systems.

 Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800.  I'm happy
 with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network.

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 itself.


Thanks to all for the advice.

So the bottom line is:  Get a postscript printer.  They're rather
expensive.  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)

Now, if I had money to waste.. I just discovered that those really
cool, wide format printers used at many photo printing shops are postscript
printers  Imagine the font size you could use on a 20x30 memo.

Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37:21PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 
 The same applies to the X Window System.  It sucks.  It is laden with
 various and sundry big problems; annoyances and poor design decisions
 litter the X Window System.  The drawbacks of Luna, Aqua, and Aero are
 all even worse than those of the X Window System, though, so I still with
 X.

This might be relevant to that, in fact:

  http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=650

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:26:36PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 are happy to find that to be true.Give them a hand rather than
 a kick in the face.
 
 Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you
 often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?!
 
 i will do exactly what i'm doing now. no more no less.
 
 helping those who ask questions that make sense, and i know the answer (or 
 think i know).
 
 And fixing bad statements and bad ideas. like the idea of replacing 
 windows with unix without first learning unix from basics.
 
 And the idea that having as much FreeBSD users as possible is a good 
 thing. it is not.

I don't think that making having as many FreeBSD users as possible a
primary goal is a good idea, to be sure.  On the other hand, if we do so
only within the constraints of current design philosophy and an attempt
to focus more on quality than quantity, having more users *is* a good
thing for a number of reasons -- in large part because of the benefits
that can be gained from a stronger user base.

What we should *not* do is take such a hostile attitude toward potential
new users that the user base of FreeBSD ultimately dwindles due to the
attrition of time.  That seems to be your approach, and I find it quite
counterproductive, especially when you couple it with weirdly anti-Unix
statements like your continuing insistence that no Unix system can
effectively replace MS Windows.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:22:56PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 
 Time to forget this.It is a semantic and religious battle
 playing hair splitting games with words.It is not a MS clone
 but it is an MS replacement.   If you overwrite your MS-Win with
 FreeBSD, it completely replaces it.
 
 and you get something completely different. FORTUNATELY different.

That doesn't change the fact that it *replaced* MS Windows.


 
 but - if millions of now-windows users starts switching to FreeBSD, it 
 will quickly become more and more similar. as linux did.

Correlation does not imply causation -- just as repeating something many
times doesn't make it true.

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RE: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Bob McConnell
On Behalf Of Andrew Gould

 Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the
need
 occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS
X.  The
 Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux

I can't help with the setup issues, as I don't use printers from those
systems. However, I do have a recommendation for you. I recently
purchased a new HP CP1518ni Color Laser at Sam's Club for less than
US$300. It has the Jet Direct network interface, includes Postscript and
has worked flawlessly on my home network. HP provides Linux drivers in
their hpiplib package. Once it is on the network, setup can be completed
from a browser.

The four toner cartridges run about US$70 each at Staples, but will
print around 2200 pages, which is many times the number of pages for the
equivalent cost in ink cartridges. We expect the overall cost to be
significantly less than a DeskJet with all of the refills it would eat.
I suspect we will have covered the difference in the printer prices
before we burn through the 700 pages the original cartridges should
provide. Plus the pages don't smear when we handle them with damp
fingers.

HTH,

Bob McConnell
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Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:00:03PM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
 
 So the bottom line is:  Get a postscript printer.  They're rather
 expensive.  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
 printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)

The reason Postscript printers tend to be expensive is that they tend
to be high quality.  Only cheap, crappy desktop printers of the sort
that people buy for their home MS Windows systems, then replace when they
run out of ink because replacement ink cartridges cost more than half the
cost of a brand new printer, tend to be incapable of using Postscript.
There are exceptions, of course, in the form of very expensive, highly
specialized printers that are unsuitable to home or even most office use
and don't understand Postscript.

. . . but generally speaking, if it doesn't speak Postscript, it's
probably a heap of junk anyway.  That's my experience, at least.

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Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:00:03PM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available
  as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and
  that it's a Postscript printer.  If you want to get a printer and connect
  it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then
  you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without
  problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer.  If it isn't, you may
  have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the
  network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD
  systems.
 
  Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800.  I'm happy
  with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network.
 
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  Quoth Albert Camus: An intellectual is someone whose mind watches
  itself.
 
 
 Thanks to all for the advice.
 
 So the bottom line is:  Get a postscript printer.  They're rather
 expensive.  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
 printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)
 
 Now, if I had money to waste.. I just discovered that those really
 cool, wide format printers used at many photo printing shops are postscript
 printers

Those are hit-or-miss as well.  Our HP plotter at work, for example:
when printing actual images (JPEG, GIF, etc.), you have to configure the
printer driver to think that the printer is the exact size/resolution of
the image you want to print, otherwise it prints half the image, then
in mid-line starts looping back to the top of the image, and loses all
concept of paper size.

Awesome.

 Imagine the font size you could use on a 20x30 memo.

I can tell you that my Brother MFC-5860CN printer, despite being a AIO
network printer, does not work with FreeBSD -- even lpd does not work
with it.  The behaviour is repeatable: sending data to either the LPD
port or the JetDirect emulation port results in the printer showing
Receiving data (or something like that) on the LCD, then the printer
just locks up.  Supposedly the network data stream has to be encoded in
some way.

Brother offers numerous Linux packages, and Linux binaries, which take
care of this for you, but nothing for FreeBSD.  In fact, their FAQ/KB
even answers Do you support FreeBSD? with something that resembles
No, we do not, and we will not, go away.  You can find tons of web
pages on this printer, and other Brother printers; tons of Linux success
stories, otherwise nothing but tears.  This printer does work very
well in Windows, but not so well with OS X (unless its hooked up to the
USB port, where supposedly it works fine).

I have no interest in CUPS (bloated and overcomplex), and no interest in
Linux emulation (lolcat style: DO NOT WANT), so I stick with printing
under Windows.

Prior to the Brother, I had an HP DeskJet AIO, and I literally threw it
in the trash due to Windows drivers bloat galore.  There's a famous
problem with their drivers where every time you print, it launches an
EXE, but then never kills the EXE off.  Print 10 times, you've got 10
EXEs lingering around in memory.  Imagine this in a corp environment
where there's a Windows print server involved -- totally unacceptable.
I'm afraid to sell/dispose of my Brother and get an HP LaserJet because
of their drivers.

The point I'm trying to make: do not think that just because a printer
has an Ethernet port that it will work with FreeBSD.

The other part of the problem is that FreeBSD's USB stack isn't so
great.  I assume that just because a USB printer attaches as ulpt(4)
doesn't mean it'll print properly (e.g. needs an I/O driver of some
kind), but I could be wrong.

I don't know what your budget is, but US$300-400 for an AIO printer
that works with your setup, and in a multi-OS environment, is well
worth it.

If folks out there are using network or USB printers with FreeBSD
RELENG_7 (without Linux emulation; CUPS is acceptable for others, just
not me :-) )), compiling a list of compatible hardware would be
beneficial.

It seems that most HP LaserJet printers with network I/O work well,
assuming the model supports some form of PostScript.

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Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Andrew Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So the bottom line is:  Get a postscript printer.  They're rather
 expensive.  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
 printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)

It's not clear to me that anyone posting here had tried printing to a
printer on a recent Mac.  I haven't, even though I've got one in my
house.  I know that the Mac's printer shows up more or less
automagically on the FreeBSD (CUPS) machines on the LAN, but I don't
think I've tried actually printing to it.


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BSD-licensed text utility updates

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
I've been trying to keep generally aware of where things are with the
attempts to port and develop BSD-licensed text processing utilities for
FreeBSD:

  http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/#p-bsdtexttools

Apparently, the Google Summer of Code project that tackled the problem
met with some success, notably in the area of grep porting and
development, as noted on this year's GSOC notifications page:

  http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode-2008.html

That page contains the following note:

  If we can accept the regex differencies in grep, it is ready to enter
  SVN after some thorough testing.

Where can I find discussion, or at least updates, on the status of
projects like this?  Considering its completeness, and the fact that it
has been declared ready for inclusion in the base system, I think this is
a topic that might deserve some attention, and it certainly piques my
interest.

I'm similarly interested in other matters such as the license auditing
infrastructure project (also mentioned on the GSOC page).  If there's a
mailing list appropriate to this sort of thing, whether for discussion,
development, or just progress announcements, I haven't been able to find
it.

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Re:FreeBSD, OMSA Live CD and DSET tools for Dell 2950 Server?

2008-11-18 Thread VeeJay
Any help???

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM, VeeJay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello there,

 To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two
 tools

 1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I am
 just wondering if it will work or not?
 2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems

 And seeking your comments in this regards:


 *Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0*
 **
 *2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB
 *Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot)
 PE2950 English rack power cord
 PE2950 Bezel Assembly
 *16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD
 6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5 HD Hot Plug*
 PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane
 *PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane
 *CD/DVD Drive Cable
 8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE
 PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord
 Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord
 TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P
 Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled
 Drac 5 Card
 *PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i
 *

 --
 Thanks!

 BR / vj




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tcpdump(1) filter by date

2008-11-18 Thread Eduardo Meyer
Hello,

I have a kind big tcpdump file, which has data from the last week. I
want to dump information based on date. Can I do it without generating
a full output and later parse the headers?

Say, I want to filter by date in the expression filter and not with

tcpdump -r dumpfile | awk '{some-black-magic-here}'

Because sometimes I want o search the full packet content (-vvv, -XX,
-T, ...) by date, and as its a huge file, dumpling everthing and
parsing it later on run-time wound consume too much memory (its a
couple of GBs file).

Thank you all, but I could not find a date keyword for filtering expression.

However, counting by packets sequence would also fit my needs because
the need is to, say, analyse until a certain point and later
continue analysing from where I stopped, so, lets say

tcpdump -r dumpfile -c 1

Would allow me to read the first 1 packets from the dumpfile.
Later I would need to keep doing my job from packet 10001 to 2.
The date question is because I can check the precise epoch timestamp
of the last packet I have read and later, ask tcpdump to print -c
count number of packets starting from the epoch-formatted date I
have paused my work later.

Sometimes I will also need this for pflog files, so, I would
appreciate any tips to do this with tcpdump custom files or pflog
generated files if there is anything would fit for one situation but
not for another.

Thank you all in advance.



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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

2008-11-18 Thread andrew clarke
On Tue 2008-11-18 11:21:02 UTC-0500, Gary Hartl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.
 
 I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
 something like that feeding to my tv.

550 MHz will be a bit slow for playing DivX/XviD movies, especially if
they're high definition (beyond 640x480 approx).  Presumably Windows
is installed on it at the moment, so you can give the Windows version
of VLC a test run.

The RAM  HDD specs are fine.  Provided the laptop's integrated video
and networking is supported, you should be good to go.
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Re: realtime network replication

2008-11-18 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote:
Ok, I have /home on one server, I need to REPLICATE /home to another  
server
in realtime. Kinda like a mirror, but over a network. I don't want  
to use

rsync because its not realtime.


Yeah, your problem description is clear enough.  If you want true  
redundancy and the data available from both machines, you're talking  
about more of a clustered filesystem like Veritas CFS or maybe Andrew  
FS / DFS from Transarc.


However, you might also find something like /usr/ports/net/unison a  
reasonable alternative:


  http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

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Re: kqemu runs 2x faster on i386 than amd64!?

2008-11-18 Thread Juergen Lock
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
Guess I should've mentioned the target is 32-bit win2k...

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not comparing apples-to-apples exactly, but both my disks are in
 the same system, both are running 7-stable from within the last few
 months, so it's pretty close.  Also, the i386 is a direct replacement
 of the amd64 to fix this and other problems, so the software 
 settings set is pretty identical also...

 kqemu crawls when I boot amd64 (and I notice the processor is always
 over 50%), and it's reasonalbly usable on i386 (also, the processor is
 often in the 30% range, instead of 60%).

 Steve

Hi!

 Are you sure kqemu is even used? (in the monitor do: info kqemu)

 Quoting ports/emulators/qemu/pkg-message:

- also remember that on amd64 you need to run the amd64 (x86_64) system
emulation if you want to use kqemu, i.e. run qemu-system-x86_64 instead of
qemu (the latter only emulates a 32 bit system.) [...]

 Note however that this is no longer true with the qemu-devel port, so
if you are using that also the 32 bit `qemu' can use kqemu.

 And finally, for anyone wanting to test out more recent qemu svn
snapshots, you should check -emulation, I have just prepared another
experimental qemu-devel port update:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2008-November/005526.html

 HTH,
Juergen

PS: No I'm still not on -questions, so please Cc me if you want to make
sure I see followups.  (I was just testing out accessing it via gmane and
looked for recent posts about qemu...)
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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

2008-11-18 Thread michael



andrew clarke wrote:

On Tue 2008-11-18 11:21:02 UTC-0500, Gary Hartl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

  

I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.

I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
something like that feeding to my tv.



550 MHz will be a bit slow for playing DivX/XviD movies, especially if
they're high definition (beyond 640x480 approx).  Presumably Windows
is installed on it at the moment, so you can give the Windows version
of VLC a test run.

The RAM  HDD specs are fine.  Provided the laptop's integrated video
and networking is supported, you should be good to go.
  
Actually, an AMD k6-2 450 will play over 720 resolution divx. mplayer 
with a proper cache setting and enough ram helps massively.

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Newbie question

2008-11-18 Thread Gary Hartl
Hi all;

 

Quick newbie question.

 

I've been out of the bsd loop for a bit, i'm trying to setup nagios which is
fine 

 

There are a couple of settings that I either don't remember or never
remembered and forgot that I never knew it.

 

Ok so nagios is asking me for an rc.d path, which if i recall FBSD doesn't
use it is a linux script path for starting services at different run levels.

 

So does FBSD emulate it for certain packages cause Nagios finds it at
/usr/local/etc/rc.d but the only thing i have in it is webmin.sh which is
for my webmin interface (although I must confess I'm not sure why it is
there or what it is doing).  

 

I must also admit i feel rather retarded, since I used to know this stuff
like the back of my hand, but it's been 6-7 years since i've been actively
using FBSD but am looking to get back into it.

 

Rc.d anyone? 

 

My assumption is that FBSD is using inetd for starting services correct?

 

Thanks 

 

Gary 

 

 

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Apology

2008-11-18 Thread Gary Hartl
Sorry group I just realized I've been sending HTML emails to the group

Plain text now set.

Stupid outlook

Thanks 

Gary 


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is threr a database for freeBSD with??

2008-11-18 Thread Gary Kline

I'm looking to write a simple program to extract stuff from Project
Gutenberg's books (--of whivh there are tens ofthousands thanks to 
Michael HArt and his volunteers).  There is no collection of metaphors 
in
the public domain, and it wouldn't take that much coding if there were a
database with

word, (grammatical type), e.g.

foot, n

love, n

run, v

ugly, adj

etc.

It occured to me that I might take the CIDE/GCIDE database and somehow 
scrounge the world-list above from that.  I don't think it is available
on Linux.  Dunno.  Nutshell, it would be a major help to writers to have
this kind of stuff online instead of a 17-pound book... .

Thanks for ideas, as well as code snippets!

gary



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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:29:27PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

 so why it have a much smaller market share?
 
 Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to
 sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their
 
 Apple produces it's own computers. Actually a branded PCs now.
 what a problem?

Not at all the same thing.   Apple produces its own and puts an OS on
it.   If they tell an OEM vendor they cannot put anything else on it, then
it begins to go in the bad direction.   If they tell the OEM vendor that
not only can they not put anything else on the hardware that the OEM
build, but that they have to put their OS on EVERY piece of hardware
that they make, then it is like MS.It isn't as if MS made computers
and put their own stuff on every machine, which would be similar to the
Kodak issue of years gone by.   MS tried to force other hardware makers
to only put MS on their (the other maker) machines and put it on every
machine they sold.No manufacturer or OEM could sell a machine with
MS unless they sold EVERY machine they made with MS.  That is crooked
business.But they got away with barely a slapped wrist.

jerry

 
 the problem is that Apple works the same way as Commodore 20-15 years ago.
 
 Trying to get prices as high as possible, instead of looking in future.
 
 Exactly what apple do now - selling ordinary PC (just more stylish cases) 
 2-3 times more expensive.
 
 if Apple computers would be similarly prices or slightly higher, then 
 they could really compete.
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Re: Wifi Card for laptop

2008-11-18 Thread Albert Shih
 Le 18/11/2008 à 16:43:47+0100, Wojciech Puchar a écrit
 
  D-LINK DWL-G630
 
  Trendnet TEW-421PC
 
  D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ...
 
  Linksys WPC54G
 
  Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster
 
  Trendnet TEW-441PC
 
 ask about chipset they use and then look at FreeBSD site for hardware 
 compatibility. FreeBSD supports a lot of wireless cards.
 
 sometimes even more works using driver converter (ndisgen) that converts 
 windows XP drivers. But performance may (will) be lower.

After some research on Internet (with other machine ;-) ) I finaly make the
wifi card working. Using wpi driver. 

 
  Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-)
 
 what it is? FreeBSD supports most (but not all) network cards

It's Broadcom 5756.

I known it's very close to 57xx but...it's not working.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

2008-11-18 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:21:02 -0500, Gary Hartl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all;
 
 I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.
 
 I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
 something like that feeding to my tv.
 
 Anyone with any feedback on this.

Yes, done it. AMD 550 MHz CPU, 128 MB RAM, 6 GB HDD (new 20 GB disk
ready to start) with FreeBSD 5. Main utilities were xmms and mplayer,
NB no K- or G-mplayer. Worked very well for serving music and videos
(allthough not in DVD quality, no DVD drive).



 Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta?

I don't know. But in order to utilize a low end machine for the
purpose specified you need to taylor a lot. I don't think there's
anything preconfigured yet...

GUI setting here: WindowMaker, Midnight Commander, X Terminals
and some utilities as shell scripts or in Tcl/Tk I wrote myself.



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Re: Newbie question

2008-11-18 Thread matt donovan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Gary Hartl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all;



 Quick newbie question.



 I've been out of the bsd loop for a bit, i'm trying to setup nagios which
 is
 fine



 There are a couple of settings that I either don't remember or never
 remembered and forgot that I never knew it.



 Ok so nagios is asking me for an rc.d path, which if i recall FBSD doesn't
 use it is a linux script path for starting services at different run
 levels.



 So does FBSD emulate it for certain packages cause Nagios finds it at
 /usr/local/etc/rc.d but the only thing i have in it is webmin.sh which is
 for my webmin interface (although I must confess I'm not sure why it is
 there or what it is doing).



 I must also admit i feel rather retarded, since I used to know this stuff
 like the back of my hand, but it's been 6-7 years since i've been actively
 using FBSD but am looking to get back into it.



 Rc.d anyone?



 My assumption is that FBSD is using inetd for starting services correct?



 Thanks



 Gary





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No FreeBSD uses rc.d it's where the rc.d actually came from. for ports  it's
/usr/local/etc/rc.d for system scripts it's /etc/rc.d
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Re: Wifi Card for laptop

2008-11-18 Thread John Nielsen
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 09:55:35 am Albert Shih wrote:
 Hi all

 I would like to buy a PCMCIA card for my new laptop (because FreeBSD do
 not recognise my internal wifi AND RJ45 ethernet cardsh** windows
 say it's Broadcom netXtreme 57xx gigabit ).

 So I just want to known what 802.11G card I can buy without drivers
 problem.

 My local dealer have those card :
[snip]
   Trendnet TEW-441PC

I ordered this card from newegg not long ago. It's inexpensive and 
well-supported by the ath(4) driver (unlike the (slightly cheaper) other 
trendnet card you mentioned).

JN
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FBSD 7.1 kern.maxdsiz

2008-11-18 Thread Drew Tomlinson
I installed FBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 version on an Intel Core2Duo box 
with 4 GB of RAM.  The main purpose of this box is to run the Urchin web 
analysis software from Google.  The Urchin installation docs 
(https://secure.urchin.com/helpwiki/en/Urchin_Installation_Guide_(FreeBSD_and_Linux)) 
contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a hard coded process datasiz 
limit of 500 MB and instruct on to set kern.maxdsiz=1073741824 in 
/boot/loader.conf.  However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this 
sysctl.  How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1?


Thanks,

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Re: FBSD 7.1 kern.maxdsiz

2008-11-18 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Urchin installation docs [...]
 contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a hard coded process datasiz 
 limit of 500 MB and instruct on to set kern.maxdsiz=1073741824 in 
 /boot/loader.conf.  However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this 
 sysctl.  How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1?

Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as
I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find
it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-)

In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using
the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a
FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check.



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Running X without a videocard

2008-11-18 Thread Gary Hartl
Hi all;

More questions...

I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64.
There is no video card on these puppies.  But I seem to recall that we ran
solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that 

I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD.

Thanks 

Gary 


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Re: FBSD 7.1 kern.maxdsiz

2008-11-18 Thread Drew Tomlinson

Polytropon wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

The Urchin installation docs [...]
contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a hard coded process datasiz 
limit of 500 MB and instruct on to set kern.maxdsiz=1073741824 in 
/boot/loader.conf.  However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this 
sysctl.  How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1?



Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as
I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find
it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-)

In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using
the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a
FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check.
  


Thanks for your reply.  I guess I expected to be able to view it via 
sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot.  
Is there some way to view the current setting?


Thanks,

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preparing for an upgrade

2008-11-18 Thread Kelly Martin
With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an
upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 - 6.4. Please excuse my ignorance but in my
mind here's what I plan to do when it's available:

1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4
GENERIC kernel, reboot
2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot
3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4)
4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports)

Will this work?

I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What
I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never
had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is
a little different and specific to 6.4? The port system is **so much
better** than using ports on my OpenBSD systems!

thanks,
kelly
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