A more appropriate list to find programs

2006-07-30 Thread Chris T.
Just wondering if there is a more appropriate list to help identify BSD 
or GPL programs/code for specific applications.


Chris

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how to panic FreeBSD

2006-07-30 Thread Only OpenSource

Hello

I am trying to learn kernel debugging and one of the approaches I have come up
with is to introduce situations in the sys code by which the compiled
kernel is buggy
and will panic.

My query is what are the typical bugs that I can introduce in say by
which the kernel
would panic.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

2006-07-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

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 Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about.


Oh, a person who writes a god damn book about integrating both MS solutions
and
FreeBSD?  See http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/

You just proved to the world your talking out your ass.

Ted

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

2006-07-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

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 On Friday 28 July 2006 23:56, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 
  The people who are willing to be open minded will use a mix of
  tools from Microsoft and the rest of the world, and the people who
  are closed minded will use tools from Microsoft, and neither is
  going to pay any attention to whatever
  loudmouths are bandmouthing their choices.  That's the way the
  world has worked in the past when IBM was king people did the same
  thing, and that's the way it will always work.
 
  You can stand up an be counted as an open minded person, or you can
  use NT and stand up to be counted with the closed minded people who
  only use Microsoft solutions.  It's your choice.
 
  Ted

 I don't mean to troll at all but I have to point out that I've met a
 lot of closed minded people who will only use FBSD solutions. :)


I know, it goes both ways.  But, you can't get folks like the poster out
of their sanctimonious ruts unless you shock some sense into them.

I've held a mirror up to him so he can see that he's doing exactly what
he's claiming in his holier-than-thou statement that everyone else shouldn't
be doing.  He can choose to continue to see himself as he thinks he is, or
he can open the eyes of knowledge and see himself as he really is, and
as the rest of us see him.

The one thing about the folks that are FreeBSD bigots is that they usually
aren't working as IT professionals, since the world demands even for the
most close-minded IT professional that they must at least use some Windows
even if in a periphery fashion.  So, those bigots can't do much damage.
But, there are quite a lot of Windows-only bigots out there who are working
in a professional capacity.  As long as those people are honest and tell
everyone up front that they are Windows bigots, it's not a problem.  But,
the ones that claim that they are OS-agnostic, then always seem to use
MS solutions because they are better or the best tool for the job those
are the dishonest ones that do a great deal of damage.

Ted

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The FreeBSD Diary: 2006-07-09 - 2006-07-29

2006-07-30 Thread Dan Langille
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical 
examples and how-to guides.  This message is posted weekly
to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people
know what's available on the website.  Before you post a question
here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list 
archives http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists 
and/or The FreeBSD Diary http://www.freebsddiary.org/. 

These are the articles posted during this period:

25-Jul : RAID-5 drive failure
 A drive in my RAID-5 array has failed 
 http://freebsddiary.org/raid-5-failure.php?2

23-Jul : Donations sought for SATA drives
 I'm asking for your help in purchasing new hardware 
 http://freebsddiary.org/opteron-drives-fund-raising.php?2

17-Jul : TRENDnet Print Server
 A nifty little applicance can make everything easier 
 http://freebsddiary.org/trendnet-print-server.php?2

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 A simple and easy to use PHP class for creating news feeds in various 
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 http://freebsddiary.org/feedcreator.php?2

9-Jul : More dual opteron images
 More close ups, easier to find what you need 
 http://freebsddiary.org/dual-opteron-pictures.php?2


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Fetching install.cfg from a remote machine

2006-07-30 Thread Philippe LAQUET


EHLO

I would like to know if someone has published some patch or found a 
solution to perform a automatic installation via sysinstall but with a 
remote (ftp/http/nfs) install.cfg file? I found some solutions using a 
PXE boot disk and mount via NFS but don't want to put NFS shares and 
DHCP specific server to do only that task.


Do the rebuild of the ISO image itself with the install.cfg on the CD 
is also an alternate option but we will have to rebuild the ISO, re-burn 
images every time we change an option - Use a new release and so on...


Thanks in advance

Philippe LAQUET





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update info on ports

2006-07-30 Thread dick hoogendijk
Normally I upgrade my ports if I see new versions.
But now I have a question: I saw a new apache22 version (apache-2.2.2_1)
but on the apache site I could not find anything related to security bugs
or whatever. I *did* find a version 2.2.3 though (not yet in ports!)

So now I wonder, what is the difference of port apache-2.2.2 and the
latest one apache-2.2.2_1
Imho it should be nice to have some kind of info file in the port telling
the reasons to upgrade. Does anyone know?
Or should I just wait for apache-2.2.3 (can't be that long).

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Re: update info on ports

2006-07-30 Thread Gábor Kövesdán

dick hoogendijk wrote:

Normally I upgrade my ports if I see new versions.
But now I have a question: I saw a new apache22 version (apache-2.2.2_1)
but on the apache site I could not find anything related to security bugs
or whatever. I *did* find a version 2.2.3 though (not yet in ports!)

So now I wonder, what is the difference of port apache-2.2.2 and the
latest one apache-2.2.2_1
Imho it should be nice to have some kind of info file in the port telling
the reasons to upgrade. Does anyone know?
Or should I just wait for apache-2.2.3 (can't be that long).

  

You can check the cvs commit logs, to determine what has changed:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/www/apache22/Makefile

As you can see, the mod_rewrite vulnerability is already fixed in 
2.2.2_1, but it's still 2.2.2.


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Re: update info on ports

2006-07-30 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen
dick hoogendijk wrote:
 Normally I upgrade my ports if I see new versions.
 But now I have a question: I saw a new apache22 version (apache-2.2.2_1)
 but on the apache site I could not find anything related to security bugs
 or whatever. I *did* find a version 2.2.3 though (not yet in ports!)
 
 So now I wonder, what is the difference of port apache-2.2.2 and the
 latest one apache-2.2.2_1
 Imho it should be nice to have some kind of info file in the port telling
 the reasons to upgrade. Does anyone know?
 Or should I just wait for apache-2.2.3 (can't be that long).
 

You should check out freshports.org

Fix security issue in mod_rewrite.
All people using mod_rewrite are strongly encouraged to update.

An off-by-one flaw exists in the Rewrite module, mod_rewrite.
Depending on the manner in which Apache httpd was compiled, this
software defect may result in a vulnerability which, in
combination with certain types of Rewrite rules in the web
server configuration files, could be triggered remotely.  For
vulnerable builds, the nature of the vulnerability can be denial
of service (crashing of web server processes) or potentially
allow arbitrary code execution. This issue has been rated as
having important security impact by the Apache HTTP Server
Security Team

Updates to latest versions will follow soon.


In addition to show changelogs for the ports, freshports also lets you
watch one or more ports and be pinged whenever there's a new version.

You should also install portaudit. This will give a list of installed
ports on your system with known security issues. Also, if installed, it
will will warn you if you try to install a port with such issues, and
prompt you to update your ports tree.


Svein Halvor



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Re: update info on ports

2006-07-30 Thread Mikhail Goriachev
dick hoogendijk wrote:
 Normally I upgrade my ports if I see new versions.
 But now I have a question: I saw a new apache22 version (apache-2.2.2_1)
 but on the apache site I could not find anything related to security bugs
 or whatever. I *did* find a version 2.2.3 though (not yet in ports!)
 
 So now I wonder, what is the difference of port apache-2.2.2 and the
 latest one apache-2.2.2_1
 Imho it should be nice to have some kind of info file in the port telling
 the reasons to upgrade. Does anyone know?
 Or should I just wait for apache-2.2.3 (can't be that long).
 


Others already mentioned you about the vulnerability found in v2.2.2. As
an addition, you might want to consider installing this:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/security/portaudit/pkg-descr

It'll check and report on a daily basis any vulnerabilities found in
your currently installed ports.


Cheers,
Mikhail.

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Re: update info on ports

2006-07-30 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 30 Jul Mikhail Goriachev wrote:
 dick hoogendijk wrote:
  So now I wonder, what is the difference of port apache-2.2.2 and the
  latest one apache-2.2.2_1
 
 Others already mentioned you about the vulnerability found in v2.2.2.
 As an addition, you might want to consider installing this:
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/security/portaudit/pkg-descr
 It'll check and report on a daily basis any vulnerabilities found in
 your currently installed ports.

Thank you for the replies. They were to be learned from ;-)
I'll install portaudit and check the cvs and freshports more often.

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Re: Fetching install.cfg from a remote machine

2006-07-30 Thread Erik Nørgaard
Philippe LAQUET wrote:

 I would like to know if someone has published some patch or found a
 solution to perform a automatic installation via sysinstall but with a
 remote (ftp/http/nfs) install.cfg file? I found some solutions using a
 PXE boot disk and mount via NFS but don't want to put NFS shares and
 DHCP specific server to do only that task.

You don't need to setup nfs, install.cfg can be fetched with ftp. You
can setup a PXEBoot jumpstart server that runs only tftp and dhcp, then
in the install.cfg define a remote ftp server and the release you want.

check this www.daemonsecurity.com/pub/pxeboot/

Alternatively, you can create a custom boot-only type iso which
fetches the install.cfg, but in all cases, if you don't want to redo a
lot of your work every time a new release comes out, you need to install
using ftp.

Cheers, Erik
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Re: A more appropriate list to find programs

2006-07-30 Thread Chuck Swiger

Chris T. wrote:
Just wondering if there is a more appropriate list to help identify BSD 
or GPL programs/code for specific applications.


freebsd-ports@ ...?

http://www.freebsd.org/ports/categories-grouped.html

Note that ports include software under a wide variety of licenses.

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Re: newbee to freebsd, unix, etc...

2006-07-30 Thread Bryan Bonifacio
Hi Charlie, 

I am presently trying to teach myself FreeBSD too and the best 
HOWTO/Tutorial/Book out there for guys like us are, in my opinion, the FreeBSD 
Handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/) and Greg 
Lehey's The Complete FreeBSD (http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/).

I've found the two to be very helpful.

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Charlie OBrien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, im Charlie in Tucson Arizona.

Im trying to teach myself FreeBSD and this is what i have done so far.

I have downloaded and installed  FreeBSD 6.1 onto my spare computer.
i can boot the computer and login into the # prompt.

how do i invoke the KDE windows environment?

what are some other resources for me to learn the how to do...
for example: how do i install applications.

Im pretty proficient at using microsofts windows environment.

any help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: how to panic FreeBSD

2006-07-30 Thread Chuck Swiger

Only OpenSource wrote:
I am trying to learn kernel debugging and one of the approaches I have 
come up with is to introduce situations in the sys code by which the compiled

kernel is buggy and will panic.


Most people introducing bugs into the kernel do so by accident, rather than 
deliberately.  Most people trying to debug the kernel use optional printf or 
kernel-logging statements (see PDEBUG, CF_DEBUG, VLOG, etc) controlled by 
things like DEBUG, WITNESS, INVARIANTS, etc.



My query is what are the typical bugs that I can introduce in say by
which the kernel would panic.


If you want to panic the kernel, just call panic(some reason) directly.

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How do I set hardware parameters?

2006-07-30 Thread Erik Nørgaard
Hi:

I have a lot of problems with my new laptop (VAIO FJ3S/FJ1S) that seem
to relate to conflicting hardware, it's been years since I've last had
this kind of problems.

The wireless nic doesn't work, it's on irq 10 but the first ifconfig
causes an irq storm on irq 5. The USB doesn't work, it doesn't register
new devices when attached, and even if I attach a usb mouse before boot,
I doesn't work. The cardbus doesn't work either, I could live with a
malfunctioning wireless nic if I could then use my pcmcia card from my
old laptop.

Everything is on a ICH6 bus:

lspci -tv
-[:00]-+-00.0  Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express
   |   Processor to DRAM Controller
   +-02.0  Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express
   |   Graphics Controller
   +-02.1  Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express
   |   Graphics Controller
   +-1b.0  Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
   |   High Definition Audio Controller
   +-1d.0  Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
   |   USB UHCI #1
   +-1d.1  Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
   |   USB UHCI #2
   +-1d.7  Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
   |   USB2 EHCI Controller
   +-1e.0-[:06-07]--+-08.0  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
   ||   RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
   |+-09.0  Texas Instruments PCI7420
   ||   CardBus Controller
   |+-09.2  Texas Instruments PCI7x20
   ||   1394a-2000 OHCI Two-Port
   ||PHY/Link-Layer Controller
   |+-09.3  Texas Instruments
   ||   PCI7420/PCI7620 Dual Socket
   ||   CardBus and Smart Card Cont. w/
   ||   1394a-2000 OHCI Two-Port
   ||   PHY/Link-Layer Cont. and
   ||   SD/MS-Pro Sockets
   |\-0a.0  Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless
   |2200BG
   +-1f.0  Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface
   |   Bridge
   +-1f.2  Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller
   \-1f.3  Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
   SMBus Controller

How do I manually configure the hardware device parameters? I suppose
that setting these in loader.conf will override device.hints?

Is there any way to tweak hardware configuration after boot? (so I can
try and retry without endless rebooting)

How do I figure out which parameters that can be set? Are there any
tools for figuring out the right values?

Is there a way I can elimiate problematic devices so they don't interfere?

dmesg and pciconf -bv follows below.

Thanks! Erik

FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #2: Sat Jul 29 15:17:47 CEST 2006
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VAIO
Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz (1729.01-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = GenuineIntel  Id = 0x6d8  Stepping = 8

Features=0xafe9fbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,TM,PBE
  Features2=0x180EST,TM2
  AMD Features=0x10NX
real memory  = 1063845888 (1014 MB)
avail memory = 1036279808 (988 MB)
kbd1 at kbdmux0
cpu0 on motherboard
pcib0: Host to PCI bridge pcibus 0 on motherboard
pci0: PCI bus on pcib0
agp0: Intel 82915GM (915GM GMCH) SVGA controller port 0x1800-0x1807
mem 0xb008-0xb00f,0xc000-0xcfff,0xb004-0xb007
irq 10 at device 2.0 on pci0
agp0: detected 7932k stolen memory
agp0: aperture size is 256M
drmsub0: Intel i915GM: (child of agp_i810.c) on agp0
info: [drm] AGP at 0xb008 0MB
info: [drm] Initialized i915 1.4.0 20060119
pci0: display at device 2.1 (no driver attached)
pci0: multimedia at device 27.0 (no driver attached)
uhci0: Intel 82801FB/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6) USB controller USB-A port
0x1820-0x183f irq 5 at device 29.0 on pci0
uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb0: Intel 82801FB/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6) USB controller USB-A on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: Intel 82801FB/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6) USB controller USB-B port
0x1840-0x185f irq 10 at device 29.1 on pci0
uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb1: Intel 82801FB/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6) USB controller USB-B on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pci0: serial bus, USB at device 29.7 (no driver attached)
pcib1: PCI-PCI bridge at device 30.0 on pci0
pci6: PCI bus on pcib1
rl0: RealTek 8139 10/100BaseTX port 

Re: newbee to freebsd, unix, etc...

2006-07-30 Thread Mikhail Goriachev
Bryan Bonifacio wrote:
 Hi Charlie, 
 
 I am presently trying to teach myself FreeBSD too and the best 
 HOWTO/Tutorial/Book out there for guys like us are, in my opinion, the 
 FreeBSD Handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/) 
 and Greg Lehey's The Complete FreeBSD 
 (http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/).
 
 I've found the two to be very helpful.
 


In addition, after you're done with those, there are excellent articles
on www.onlamp.com site. For instance, the ones about ports[1] are just
amazing.


Cheers,
Mikhail.


[1] - http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/07/FreeBSD_Basics.html
  http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/09/18/FreeBSD_Basics.html

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Re: I can not decide because of an old notebook. Need Help

2006-07-30 Thread Niek Dekker

Dear,

Personally, I would omit the last sentence from your help request.
That would certainly help you in receiving helpful and friendly
replies. As you state it, it sounds a bit rude.


 the Installation process? I need HELP NOW !!!


Thank you
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linux-firefox + proper Java support

2006-07-30 Thread Norberto Meijome
hello everyone,
I'm running linux-firefox on FBSD 6.1-i386. I also have diablo-jdk installed.
When I sym-link (what I think are) the java plugins for moz. into the
linux-firefox/plugins folder, i get some errors dure to ABI :

LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared
library /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_jni.so
[/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_jni.so: ELF file OS ABI
invalid] 

or

LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared
library /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so: ELF file
OS ABI invalid]

Am I right in assuming that, if I'm using linux-firefox, i should uninstall
diablo-jdk and use linux-jdk? Any cons (other than having , sigh, more linux
stuff installed installed?)

thanks!!

Beto

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gmirror/gconcat: mkdir causes system reboot

2006-07-30 Thread Brent Hostetler

I am having a strange issue. I have a samba server (freebsd) that has
been running fine for quite some time no errors to report. I replaced
the system drives with fresh install of Freebsd
6.1 and updated to the current security branch. This was same version
of freebsd previously on the server.

All of the samba shares are on gmirror/gconcat hybrid mount point.
'/dev/gconcat/DATA' mounted on /usr/local/smbshares.

Now for some uknown reason creating a directories on this directory
will immediately cause reboot!!


From shell prompt I can SOMETIMES do the following othertimes it reboots:

$ mkdir /usr/local/smbshares/testdir
$ mkdir /usr/local/smbshares/test2

However creating directory beneath a directory in 'smbshares' ALLWAYS reboots:
$ mkdir /usr/local/smbshares/media/pictures/testdir
$ mkdir /usr/local/smbshares/media/dvds/testdir
$ mkdir /usr/local/smbshares/media/dvds/all/testdir

Reads seem to work fine. I can even create files so far with no
problem. Files can be deleted without error. It is just when I try to
make a directory that everything comes to a halt.

The console error displayed before reboot is too quick to completley
write but is something such as:

mode 04277 inum=12258433 fs=/usr/local/smbshares
panic: ffs_vallov: dup alloc

 snip ...  All the providers are destroyed...

Cannot dump: No dump device

No apparent errors in logs.

- Furthe system info.
$ uname -a
FreeBSD quiet.silent 6.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p3 #0: Sun Jul
30 05:02:15 PDT 2006
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386

$ gmirror status
  NameStatus  Components
mirror/ROOT  COMPLETE  ad0s1
  ad2s1
 mirror/D2  COMPLETE  ad4s1
  ad16s1
 mirror/D4  COMPLETE  ad6s1
  ad8s1
 mirror/D1  COMPLETE  ad10s1
  ad12s1
 mirror/D3  COMPLETE  ad14s1
  ad18s1

$ gconcat status
  Name  Status  Components
concat/DATA  UP  mirror/D4
   mirror/D1
   mirror/D2
   mirror/D3

$ cat /etc/fstab
# DeviceMountpoint  FStype  Options DumpPass#
/dev/mirror/ROOTb   noneswapsw  0   0
/dev/mirror/ROOTa   /   ufs rw  1   1
/dev/mirror/ROOTe   /tmpufs rw  2   2
/dev/mirror/ROOTf   /usrufs rw  2   2
/dev/mirror/ROOTd   /varufs rw  2   2
/dev/concat/DATA/usr/local/smbshares ufs  rw2   2
/dev/acd0   /cdrom  cd9660  ro,noauto   0   0

$ df -h
Filesystem   SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/mirror/ROOTa959M 58M824M 7%/
devfs1.0K1.0K  0B   100%/dev
/dev/mirror/ROOTe4.9G 24K4.5G 0%/tmp
/dev/mirror/ROOTf 98G8.4G 82G 9%/usr
/dev/mirror/ROOTd4.9G123M4.4G 3%/var
/dev/concat/DATA 1.2T794G338G70%/usr/local/smbshares

$ dmesg
Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
   The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p3 #0: Sun Jul 30 05:02:15 PDT 2006
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
mptable_probe: MP Config Table has bad signature: 4 C
ACPI APIC Table: FICAU13
Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Unknown CPU Type (1603.65-MHz 686-class CPU)
 Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x681  Stepping = 1
 
Features=0x383fbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE
 AMD Features=0xc0400800SYSCALL,MMX+,3DNow+,3DNow
real memory  = 268369920 (255 MB)
avail memory = 253112320 (241 MB)
ioapic0 Version 1.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
kbd1 at kbdmux0
acpi0: FIC AU13 on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x4008-0x400b on acpi0
cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0
acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0
pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0
agp0: NVIDIA nForce2 AGP Controller mem 0xe800-0xe9ff at
device 0.0 on pci0
pci0: memory, RAM at device 0.1 (no driver attached)
pci0: memory, RAM at device 0.2 (no driver attached)
pci0: memory, RAM at device 0.3 (no driver attached)
pci0: memory, RAM at device 0.4 (no driver attached)
pci0: memory, RAM at device 0.5 (no driver attached)
isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 1.0 on pci0
isa0: ISA bus on isab0
pci0: serial bus, SMBus at device 1.1 (no driver attached)
ohci0: OHCI (generic) USB controller mem 0xee08-0xee080fff irq
20 at device 2.0 on pci0
ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting
usb0: OHCI 

Re: gmirror/gconcat: mkdir causes system reboot

2006-07-30 Thread R. B. Riddick
--- Brent Hostetler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 mode 04277 inum=12258433 fs=/usr/local/smbshares
 panic: ffs_vallov: dup alloc

I say, did u try a fsck on that file system?
It looks more like an file system related problem.

I would try an
  fsck -n ...
first (just in case there is a configuration error; e. g.: I had a gstripe and
had to re-label it, but I forgot the original stripe size, so that the fsck-run
destroyed almost the whole file system).

-Arne

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Re: how to panic FreeBSD

2006-07-30 Thread Fabian Keil
Only OpenSource [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am trying to learn kernel debugging and one of the approaches I
 have come up with is to introduce situations in the sys code by which
 the compiled kernel is buggy
 and will panic.
 
 My query is what are the typical bugs that I can introduce in say by
 which the kernel
 would panic.

If you browse the filed problem reports, you will find
more than enough real panics and if you also have a look at
the closed ones, you'll find solutions as well.

You could also panic your systems with classics
like:

- kldloading /dev/mem
- kldloading kernel modules that aren't in sync with the kernel
- mounting a file system through USB and then unplugging the drive
  without umounting first 

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[SOLVED] Re: linux-firefox + proper Java support

2006-07-30 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:00:39 +1000
Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hello everyone,
 I'm running linux-firefox on FBSD 6.1-i386. I also have diablo-jdk installed.
 When I sym-link (what I think are) the java plugins for moz. into the
 linux-firefox/plugins folder, i get some errors dure to ABI :
 
 LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared
 library /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_jni.so
 [/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_jni.so: ELF file OS ABI
 invalid] 
 
 or
 
 LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared
 library /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
 [/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so: ELF file
 OS ABI invalid]
 
 Am I right in assuming that, if I'm using linux-firefox, i should uninstall
 diablo-jdk and use linux-jdk? Any cons (other than having , sigh, more linux
 stuff installed installed?)
 
yeah, simply installing linux-sun-jdk14 solved it ( and symlinking
/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
- 
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so

:) 
B
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anyone with a p4 HT machine ever see anything from cpu1?

2006-07-30 Thread Jonathan Horne
i have smp support compiled into my kernel, an still, i never see anything on 
the HT'd cpu.  i realize that most ppl believe that the HT portion of the 
technology was just a bunch of smoke blown up our butts by intel, but windows 
sure loves to bounce that extra cpu graph around a lot.  below is just a snip 
of my top window, but as far down as i can stretch my 1280x1024 screen, its 
all cpu 0 processes, even while compiling.

last pid: 16214;  load averages:  0.75,  0.35,  0.17up 1+00:37:34  
09:43:04
114 processes: 2 running, 112 sleeping
CPU states: 34.2% user,  0.0% nice, 15.4% system,  0.4% interrupt, 50.0% idle
Mem: 202M Active, 456M Inact, 232M Wired, 860K Cache, 110M Buf, 97M Free
Swap: 983M Total, 983M Free

  PID USERNAMETHR PRI NICE   SIZERES STATE  C   TIME   WCPU COMMAND
 8805 root  1   80 35880K 35552K wait   0   0:11 15.64% ruby18
15952 root  1   80  1224K  1112K wait   0   0:00  8.00% make
15925 root  1   80  1224K  1112K wait   0   0:00  3.59% make
  656 jhorne1  960   303M 53372K select 0   8:25  2.69% Xorg
  742 jhorne1  960 12632K  8252K select 0  16:42  1.03% gkrellm
 1337 jhorne1  960 29092K 21276K select 0   0:02  0.78% kdeinit
  732 jhorne1  960 30700K 22904K select 0   1:21  0.10% kdeinit
  293 root  1  960  1260K   684K select 0   0:24  0.05% moused
  752 jhorne1  960 25780K 17952K select 0   7:07  0.00% kdeinit
  738 jhorne4  20  -76 14012K  8132K kserel 0   1:34  0.00% artsd
  758 jhorne1  960 31820K 21544K select 0   1:24  0.00% kdeinit
  720 jhorne1  960 30724K 22796K select 0   1:13  0.00% kdeinit
  695 jhorne1  960  3532K  2012K select 0   0:41  0.00% gam_server
  728 jhorne1  960 25596K 17556K select 0   0:12  0.00% kdeinit

dmesg shows that freebsd sees the other cpu...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# dmesg | grep cpu
 cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0
acpi_throttle0: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu0
cpu1: ACPI CPU on acpi0
acpi_throttle1: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu1
 cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0
acpi_throttle0: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu0
cpu1: ACPI CPU on acpi0
acpi_throttle1: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu1

FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
 cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!

so is the SMP portion of the technology as worthless as 'they' say?

thanks,
jonathan
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Re: X11/glx question

2006-07-30 Thread Alex Zbyslaw

Robert Huff wrote:


/usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears
/usr/X11R6/bin/glxinfo
/usr/X11R6/include/GL/glx.h
/usr/X11R6/include/GL/glxext.h
/usr/X11R6/include/GL/glxint.h
/usr/X11R6/include/GL/glxmd.h
/usr/X11R6/include/GL/glxproto.h
/usr/X11R6/include/GL/glxtokens.h
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so
 


[rest truncated]

So what does pkg_which show for these?  It *should* for your system be 
one of the xorg packages (for me it's nvidia but that's what I have for 
a graphics card :-))


Also worth double-checking pkg_info to confirm that nvidia-driver is 
deleted e.g. pkg_info | egrep -i nvidia.


Can you run glxgears of glxinfo?

If all of that shows up normal, then I'm out of ideas, I'm afraid.

--Alex


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mail at FreeBSD

2006-07-30 Thread Lionardo Sebben

Hello friend.

I and my friend have decided send this mail to make a single question,.. we
wanna know if is possible two single person like me and he get an e-mail at
FreeBSD.org?
If is possible, the mail accounts are 'ajsouza' and 'lio' ... I know its
stupid idea but, if we dont try, we dont get... :)

We are owner of KServ, search and development of technology solutions (
www.kserv.com.br). We working with networks for any OS but we like very much
BSD, its we choice for we solutions.

Thanks very much for your spend time




   Lionardo Sebben
   www.kserv.com.br
 +55 (54) 3212.4983
 +55 (54) 9121.9590

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Re: mail at FreeBSD

2006-07-30 Thread Richard Collyer

Lionardo Sebben wrote:

Hello friend.

I and my friend have decided send this mail to make a single question,.. we
wanna know if is possible two single person like me and he get an e-mail at
FreeBSD.org?
If is possible, the mail accounts are 'ajsouza' and 'lio' ... I know its
stupid idea but, if we dont try, we dont get... :)

We are owner of KServ, search and development of technology solutions (
www.kserv.com.br). We working with networks for any OS but we like very 
much

BSD, its we choice for we solutions.

Thanks very much for your spend time


You have to be a contributor type person (i.e. actually do something for 
the OS to get a @ freebsd.ogr email address).


Regards,
Richard

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Problems setting up and properly compiling imap-uw.

2006-07-30 Thread Steven Lake
Looking for some help in this rather baffling issue.  I'm trying to get a new 
mail server setup with webmail capabilities (via squirrelmail) and I'm hitting 
a little snag. Squirrelmail says that the imap server won't accept plain text 
passwords, yet I compiled from source for plaintext using make -E WITHOUT_SSL 
and I also tried make -E WITH_SSL_AND_PLAINTEXT. Neither worked. Squirrelmail 
still complains saying that the imap server doesn't allow plaintext passwords.

Any idea what I can do to fix this? Is it a config file I have to change or 
something? I don't want nor need to do ssl for logins as this will be located 
on a secure lan, so I'd like to avoid all the crazy stuff that comes with doing 
an SSL setup. Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Problems setting up and properly compiling imap-uw.

2006-07-30 Thread Mikhail Goriachev
Steven Lake wrote:
 Looking for some help in this rather baffling issue.  I'm trying to get a new 
 mail server setup with webmail capabilities (via squirrelmail) and I'm 
 hitting a little snag. Squirrelmail says that the imap server won't accept 
 plain text passwords, yet I compiled from source for plaintext using make -E 
 WITHOUT_SSL and I also tried make -E WITH_SSL_AND_PLAINTEXT. Neither 
 worked. Squirrelmail still complains saying that the imap server doesn't 
 allow plaintext passwords.
 
 Any idea what I can do to fix this? Is it a config file I have to change or 
 something? I don't want nor need to do ssl for logins as this will be located 
 on a secure lan, so I'd like to avoid all the crazy stuff that comes with 
 doing an SSL setup. Any help is appreciated.
 


You're forgetting to assign values to your variables.


# make -E WITHOUT_SSL=yes

or

# make -E WITH_SSL_AND_PLAINTEXT=yes


Cheers,
Mikhail.

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Re: Problems setting up and properly compiling imap-uw.

2006-07-30 Thread Steven Lake



You're forgetting to assign values to your variables.


# make -E WITHOUT_SSL=yes

or

# make -E WITH_SSL_AND_PLAINTEXT=yes


Ok, tried that and I got this at compile time:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] imap-uw]# make -E WITH_SSL_AND_PLAINTEXT=yes
 ===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
 ===  Extracting for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
 = MD5 Checksum OK for imap-2004g.tar.Z.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for imap-2004g.tar.Z.
 ===  Patching for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
 ===  Applying FreeBSD patches for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
 ===   imap-uw-2004g_1,1 depends on shared library: c-client4.8 - found
 ===  Configuring for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
 ===  Building for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
 Your imap-uw port matches the version of your cclient port. Fine.
 SSL check passed. We want SSL support, and cclient has it. Good.
 make sslunix.nopwd
 +
 + Building in full compliance with RFC 3501 security
 + requirements:
 ++ TLS/SSL encryption is supported
 ++ Unencrypted plaintext passwords are prohibited
 +

Followed below here by the typical compile stuff.

When I run the config test script I still get this error:

 ERROR: Your server doesn't allow plaintext logins. Try enabling another 
authentication mechanism like CRAM-MD5, DIGEST-MD5 or TLS-encryption in the 
SquirrelMail configuration.


Am I still missing something, or didn't the compile go right?

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Re: Problems setting up and properly compiling imap-uw.

2006-07-30 Thread Mikhail Goriachev
Steven Lake wrote:
 You're forgetting to assign values to your variables.


 # make -E WITHOUT_SSL=yes

 or

 # make -E WITH_SSL_AND_PLAINTEXT=yes
 
  Ok, tried that and I got this at compile time:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] imap-uw]# make -E WITH_SSL_AND_PLAINTEXT=yes
   ===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
   ===  Extracting for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
   = MD5 Checksum OK for imap-2004g.tar.Z.
   = SHA256 Checksum OK for imap-2004g.tar.Z.
   ===  Patching for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
   ===  Applying FreeBSD patches for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
   ===   imap-uw-2004g_1,1 depends on shared library: c-client4.8 - found
   ===  Configuring for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
   ===  Building for imap-uw-2004g_1,1
   Your imap-uw port matches the version of your cclient port. Fine.
   SSL check passed. We want SSL support, and cclient has it. Good.
   make sslunix.nopwd
   +
   + Building in full compliance with RFC 3501 security
   + requirements:
   ++ TLS/SSL encryption is supported
   ++ Unencrypted plaintext passwords are prohibited
   +
 
 Followed below here by the typical compile stuff.
 
 When I run the config test script I still get this error:
 
   ERROR: Your server doesn't allow plaintext logins. Try enabling another 
 authentication mechanism like CRAM-MD5, DIGEST-MD5 or TLS-encryption in the 
 SquirrelMail configuration.
 
 Am I still missing something, or didn't the compile go right?


My memory is a bit rusty, but you also have to (re)compile cclient[1]
with the same knob.

If I may ask, out of curiosity. Why imap-uw and not something else that
supports maildir format instead of mbox? For instance, courier-imap or
dovecot are far better options.


Cheers,
Mikhail.


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Re: Problems setting up and properly compiling imap-uw.

2006-07-30 Thread Steven Lake



If I may ask, out of curiosity. Why imap-uw and not something else that
supports maildir format instead of mbox? For instance, courier-imap or
dovecot are far better options.


Well, I don't normally work with Imap, so I was experimenting to 
find out which client would work best for me.  This just happened to be the 
first one I picked.  Courier would have been next.  I may still go with 
that one.





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Newbie question: Is this something I should send to buglist?

2006-07-30 Thread Oliver Iberien
After running portsnap this morning:

bsd# pkg_version -v  /home/oliver/version.txt
Makefile, line 54: Could not 
find /usr/ports/print/cups-lpr/../../print/cups/Makefile.common
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
pkg_version: Failed to get PKGNAME from /usr/ports/print/cups-lpr/Makefile!

I take it that this means that there is something missing from this part of 
this port? I looked at 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-broken.html
and tried querying the data base (and was confused by the options), and 
searched the mailing list for the string cups-lpr. Nothing -- I think.

Anyhow, I'm happy to do my bit and post this somewhere but don't want to start 
sending badly formatted or unnecessary bug reports around. Any advice?

Oliver
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Re: Newbie question: Is this something I should send to buglist?

2006-07-30 Thread Nicolas Blais
On Sunday 30 July 2006 13:09, Oliver Iberien wrote:
 After running portsnap this morning:

 bsd# pkg_version -v  /home/oliver/version.txt
 Makefile, line 54: Could not
 find /usr/ports/print/cups-lpr/../../print/cups/Makefile.common
 make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
 pkg_version: Failed to get PKGNAME from /usr/ports/print/cups-lpr/Makefile!

 I take it that this means that there is something missing from this part of
 this port? I looked at
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-broken.html
 and tried querying the data base (and was confused by the options), and
 searched the mailing list for the string cups-lpr. Nothing -- I think.

 Anyhow, I'm happy to do my bit and post this somewhere but don't want to
 start sending badly formatted or unnecessary bug reports around. Any
 advice?

 Oliver

This message is normal. cups-lpr is a port that no longer exists since the 
update to 1.2.0 as it has been merged with cups-base. When you update to 
cups-base 1.2.0_2, you won't get that message. 

Whether I recommend you update to 1.2.0 is another thing though :)


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RE: anyone with a p4 HT machine ever see anything from cpu1?

2006-07-30 Thread Tamouh H.
 just a snip of my top window, but as far down as i can 
 stretch my 1280x1024 screen, its all cpu 0 processes, even 
 while compiling.
 
 last pid: 16214;  load averages:  0.75,  0.35,  0.17up 
 1+00:37:34  
 09:43:04
 114 processes: 2 running, 112 sleeping
 CPU states: 34.2% user,  0.0% nice, 15.4% system,  0.4% 
 interrupt, 50.0% idle
 Mem: 202M Active, 456M Inact, 232M Wired, 860K Cache, 110M 
 Buf, 97M Free
 Swap: 983M Total, 983M Free
 
   PID USERNAMETHR PRI NICE   SIZERES STATE  C   TIME  
  WCPU COMMAND
  8805 root  1   80 35880K 35552K wait   0   0:11 
 15.64% ruby18
 15952 root  1   80  1224K  1112K wait   0   0:00  
 8.00% make
 15925 root  1   80  1224K  1112K wait   0   0:00  
 3.59% make
   656 jhorne1  960   303M 53372K select 0   8:25  
 2.69% Xorg
   742 jhorne1  960 12632K  8252K select 0  16:42  
 1.03% gkrellm
  1337 jhorne1  960 29092K 21276K select 0   0:02  
 0.78% kdeinit
   732 jhorne1  960 30700K 22904K select 0   1:21  
 0.10% kdeinit
   293 root  1  960  1260K   684K select 0   0:24  
 0.05% moused
   752 jhorne1  960 25780K 17952K select 0   7:07  
 0.00% kdeinit
   738 jhorne4  20  -76 14012K  8132K kserel 0   1:34  
 0.00% artsd
   758 jhorne1  960 31820K 21544K select 0   1:24  
 0.00% kdeinit
   720 jhorne1  960 30724K 22796K select 0   1:13  
 0.00% kdeinit
   695 jhorne1  960  3532K  2012K select 0   0:41  
 0.00% gam_server
   728 jhorne1  960 25596K 17556K select 0   0:12  
 0.00% kdeinit
 
 dmesg shows that freebsd sees the other cpu...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# dmesg | grep cpu
  cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
  cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
 cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0
 acpi_throttle0: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu0
 cpu1: ACPI CPU on acpi0
 acpi_throttle1: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu1  cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
  cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
 cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0
 acpi_throttle0: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu0
 cpu1: ACPI CPU on acpi0
 acpi_throttle1: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu1
 
 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs  cpu0 
 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
  cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
 
 so is the SMP portion of the technology as worthless as 'they' say?
 
 thanks,
 jonathan

FBSD 6.1 and 5.4 had no problems with HT on P4 and Xeon processors. I also 
mentioned the machines ran better with HT enabled than being disabled.

do a check to make sure HT is enabled:

sysctl -a machdep.hyperthreading_allowed

last pid: 20206;  load averages:  0.10,  0.03,  0.01
  up 6+02:30:20  14:34:40
158 processes: 1 running, 157 sleeping
CPU states:  3.4% user,  0.0% nice,  1.9% system,  0.2% interrupt, 94.5% idle
Mem: 279M Active, 411M Inact, 263M Wired, 32M Cache, 111M Buf, 9560K Free
Swap: 3000M Total, 202M Used, 2798M Free, 6% Inuse

  PID USERNAME   THR PRI NICE   SIZERES STATE  C   TIME   WCPU COMMAND
  810 mysql   52  200 69304K 17080K kserel 1  12:07  0.00% mysqld
 2205 clamav   4  200 22940K 20256K kserel 1  11:44  0.00% clamd
  617 mailman  1   80  7960K  1416K nanslp 0   1:50  0.00% python2.4
  615 mailman  1   80  7968K  1436K nanslp 1   1:48  0.00% python2.4
  618 mailman  1   80  7976K  1420K nanslp 1   1:47  0.00% python2.4
22110 mailnull 1  960  5668K   656K select 1   1:46  0.00% exim-4.62-0
  616 mailman  1   80  7964K  1396K nanslp 1   1:46  0.00% python2.4
  614 mailman  1   80  7960K  1400K nanslp 0   1:45  0.00% python2.4
  619 mailman  1   80  8020K  1436K nanslp 0   1:45  0.00% python2.4
  621 mailman  1   80  7960K  1408K nanslp 0   1:43  0.00% python2.4
55933 root 1  960  2628K  1412K CPU0   0   1:33  0.00% top
50253 root 1  960 22860K 13364K select 0   1:06  0.00% perl
 1027 mcsupport1  960  6120K   360K select 1   0:58  0.00% sshd
  882 mailnull 1   80  6168K  2008K nanslp 0   0:53  0.00% perl5.8.8
22116 root 1   80  2684K  1508K nanslp 1   0:40  0.00% perl5.8.8
  505 nobody   1  200 13136K  7068K lockf  0   0:26  0.00% httpd
 2193 nobody   1  200 27340K  7468K lockf  0   0:24  0.00% httpd
  474 root 1  960  8664K  1596K select 0   0:23  0.00% httpd
  492 nobody   1  200 12416K  6388K lockf  1   0:21  0.00% httpd
  647 root 1   80  9552K  1688K nanslp 0   0:21  0.00% perl5.8.8
  495 nobody   1  200 20436K  7308K lockf  1   0:17  0.00% httpd
  609 root 1  960  9700K  2888K select 1   0:16  0.00% cppop
  309 root 1  960  1300K   424K select 0   0:15  0.00% syslogd
  578 root 1   8   20  8496K  5480K nanslp 0   0:14  0.00% perl5.8.8

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How to make ADSL modem conections FBSD 6.1

2006-07-30 Thread DSA - JCR
HI all

I am a newbie to FreebSD (I have a couple of systems running...) and I
would like to know how to make internet connections using an USB ADSL
modem, the ones that the telephon companies give the user when they make a
ADSL contract.

Which are the steps? These modems usually hav only Windows drivers...

thnaks in advance

Juan Coruña
Desarrollo de Software Atlantico



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Re: anyone with a p4 HT machine ever see anything from cpu1?

2006-07-30 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Sunday 30 July 2006 13:36, Tamouh H. wrote:
 do a check to make sure HT is enabled:

 sysctl -a machdep.hyperthreading_allowed

oops... we have definatly found my problem.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# sysctl -a machdep.hyperthreading_allowed
machdep.hyperthreading_allowed: 0

what do i need to do to get it changed?

thanks,
jonathan

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pf states

2006-07-30 Thread Ivan Levchenko

Hello all,

Have a little question to which google didn't help a lot.

I have pf firewall working great. i installed pftop to see whats going
on in real time. I see some state meanings that i would like to know
more about, for example no_traffic.

I looked in the man pages and what not, but could not find what i was
looking for.

Thanks in advance.

Ivan
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Re: pf states

2006-07-30 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 08:53:48PM +, Ivan Levchenko wrote:
 
 Have a little question to which google didn't help a lot.
 
 I have pf firewall working great. i installed pftop to see whats going
 on in real time. I see some state meanings that i would like to know
 more about, for example no_traffic.
 
 I looked in the man pages and what not, but could not find what i was
 looking for.

Pftop assumes you have some knowledge of pf. Pf assumes you have some
knowledge of networking. I think you are right that there's nowhere that
really explains what these states are in realtion to pf.

The STATE column in pftop (or pfctl -s state) has two sides, one for
each endpoint. The state SINGLE:NO_TRAFFIC is something I see a lot
using symon/symux, where a udp datagram is sent and there is no reply
(it's merely accepted). You will also see a lot of
ESTABLISHED:ESTABLISHED and FIN_WAIT_2:FIN_WAIT_2 states. Most of these
are not really specific to pf, and will be documented in various
references online and in books. Most of the states you will see have to
do with TCP connections being build, or as established, or being torn
down. Google for Transmission Control Protocol and you should find what
you're looking for (and WAY more).

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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote:


My shop runs 30+ FreeBSD hosts, and I have several more for personal
use. But of those there are maybe 2-3 that I would be ok with listing
and exactly zero that I will actually list. It's not that I don't want
to help, but I'm not going to run a process like that on a production
server.



What about sending something as simple as uname -mr?


'k ...


uname -mr

6.1-STABLE i386

The only way this idea will work is if we put some code in the base
system that sends something generic every few months. for example.
Send 'uname -mr' to stats.freebsd.org every 3 months. It would be very
easy to 'opt out', perhaps stats_enable=NO in rc.conf.

Alternatively we could make it 'opt in' at install time. The installer
could add stats_enable=YES to rc.conf when someone answers yes.

The actual code to implement this is trivial, something like a few
lines of shell script and a config file that lists the next send date.
This config file can be checked during the monthly periodic and if
needed trigger the stats script to send the anonymous data and update
the next send date in the config file. If the stats script can't find
a path out it should update the next send date and then die.


Why not just have it as part of the monthly_periodic itself ... have it 
send a copy to a central address as well as to the admin itself, with the 
message containing a note on how to disable it in /etc/rc.conf, and have 
it opt_in by default?



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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote:

The only way this idea will work is if we put some code in the base 
system that sends something generic every few months. for example. Send 
'uname -mr' to stats.freebsd.org every 3 months. It would be very easy 
to 'opt out', perhaps stats_enable=NO in rc.conf.


Alternatively we could make it 'opt in' at install time. The installer 
could add stats_enable=YES to rc.conf when someone answers yes.


The actual code to implement this is trivial, something like a few lines 
of shell script and a config file that lists the next send date. This 
config file can be checked during the monthly periodic and if needed 
trigger the stats script to send the anonymous data and update the next 
send date in the config file. If the stats script can't find a path out 
it should update the next send date and then die.


Btw, you'd need to include something else in the mix to differentiate 
various hosts ... maybe MAC address or something like that?




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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote:

Yes and no. Not all cvsup servers are under the control of the FreeBSD 
project but you are right, they could log the release tag and more. 
Also don't forget about website stats, mailing list subscriptions, and 
ftp servers.


None of which actually give you even close to accurate #s, unfortunately 
... for instance, website stats ... if you were to look at the ones for 
freebsd.org, how many would be Windows Browsers :(  And then we are only 
talking about desktops, not servers ...


As to stuff like CVSup logs ... how many large deployments have one 
central CVSup 'downloader' while the rest in the org just feed off of 
that?





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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

You might think this sounds harmless but folks have done this kind of 
thing in the past with other products and wreaked havoc on the Internet. 
You can start by referencing dlink ntp fiasco in google to get an idea 
of what can happen to these kinds of well meaning attempts.  Let 
sleeping dogs lie.


'k, you lost me on how this relates to the fiasco ... I did a quick search 
on Google for it, and, unless I didn't find the right reference, the 
'fiasco' had to do with DLink setting up their software to ping PHKs NTP 
Server, without getting permissions first, and, thereby, flooding him with 
NTP requests ...



People just don't realize just how very big the Internet is.


That is the problem, yes ... nobody knows how big the FreeBSD community is 
... :)






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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:



On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Born, Clinton wrote:


Really? I wouldn't want such a myopic view when choosing to allocate our
shareholders dollars. Best tool for the job. Period!


That is not as easy as you make it out to be.  WHat one might in the short 
term see as the best tool may not be such in 2 years when support is dropped 
and you are in a forced obsolescence and have to replace it with something 
else...  So making value judgments like tools that are known to be well 
supported on FReeBSD for example is part of determining the best tool for the 
job


Actually, and this brings up another point ... there is nothing that stops 
VendorX from discontinuing their 'open policy' in 2 years either ... 
although one would hope that over the years, more would open, not less, it 
is possible ...


Case in point:  ICP Vortex *did* provide source drivers for FreeBSD up 
until FreeBSD 5.x, and then stop'd:


http://www.icp-vortex.com/english/download/rz_neu/freebsd/frbsd_e.htm



   Chad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amitabh Kant
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:28 AM
To: Nikolas Britton
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

And this is what I always do. As a person responsible for
recommending/approving/buying harware related stuff for few different
companies, I make it a point that I *prefer* only those brands that
have support for FreeBSD. For me, this is more so in case of RAID
cards.

On 7/27/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Except most of the people using FreeBSD in a professional setting are
pretty high up on the IT/IS/MIS food chain. If a product doesn't work
on my platform of choice then there's no way in hell I'll approve it's
uses on other platforms, FreeBSD is my litmus test. If a vendor
doesn't support FreeBSD they can still pass my test by providing open
documentation.



I see the whole issue this way: companies are free to choose whether
to support FreeBSD or not, and I am free to choose/recommend their
product in my installations. It's only when we start to speak with our
money bags, that it will make commercial sense to them to support
*BSD.

Amitabh
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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Darrin Chandler wrote:


On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 04:16:55PM -0300, User Freebsd wrote:


And my point is that those not supporting FreeBSD already don't care,
since as far as they are concerned, their is no market for them to be
losing  not buying their products isn't telling them anything they
didn't already believe ...


Actually, this is a very valid point. A good approach would be to write
to the vendor and tell them than you had considered their product and it
looks good based on purely technical mertis, but you had to go with a
competitors products due to availability of technical documentation.

Frankly, the lost sales from FreeBSD will get lost in the noise for a
company like Adaptec. However, a few dozen or a few hundred letters like
above would carry a fair amount of weight. Leave out any attitude or
flames. Just tell them their competitor made money instead of them.

AMD has played pretty nice with specs, along with price and other things
to be comptetitive. It's worked well for them. Has Intel changed because
of this? You bet. In addition to lowering prices, they've begun to open
specs. Yes! That's a win for everyone, even Intel, and Intel is
beginning to suspect...

Now, can we get Adaptec or Broadcom to follow suite? Maybe. Some
companies are slow learners. Counting FreeBSD installs and telling them
how many there are won't do nearly as much as 1 out of 1000 FreeBSD
users writing them a letter telling them you bought from their
competitors because of their policies. Bonus points if the competitor
has been nipping at their heels lately. ;)


Something like this is what the FreeBSD Foundation should co-ordinate ... 
not a 'letter writing campaign', but coming up with a well worded, 
professional form letter that we could use ... I, for one, am a terrible 
writer :(



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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote:

People like me who only use FreeBSD on the laptop would certainly give 
much shorter uptimes.  Okay, I just wanna say, it's very strange to a 
mobile/desktop user.


Again, I wasn't thinking so much about uptimes as the fact that the 
information is updated regularly ...


We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and 
portsnap server, can't we?


What does that give?


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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread Colin Percival
User Freebsd wrote:
 We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and
 portsnap server, can't we?
 
 What does that give?

Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or
/usr/local/portsnap directories) are being kept updated on systems
which send HTTP requests to portsnap*.freebsd.org.  Of these, about
4300 are running FreeBSD 6.0, 4500 are running FreeBSD 6.1, 2400
are running FreeBSD 6-STABLE, 300 are running FreeBSD 5.5, and the
remaining 3500 are using copies of portsnap installed from the ports
tree (presumably on earlier FreeBSD releases, since the portsnap
port won't install if portsnap is already part of the FreeBSD base
system).

Colin Percival

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RE: anyone with a p4 HT machine ever see anything from cpu1?

2006-07-30 Thread Tamouh H.
 
 On Sunday 30 July 2006 13:36, Tamouh H. wrote:
  do a check to make sure HT is enabled:
 
  sysctl -a machdep.hyperthreading_allowed
 
 oops... we have definatly found my problem.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# sysctl -a machdep.hyperthreading_allowed
 machdep.hyperthreading_allowed: 0
 
 what do i need to do to get it changed?
 
 thanks,
 jonathan
 

do :
sysctl -w machdep.hyperthreading_allowed=1

and make sure the line exist in /etc/sysctl.conf

machdep.hyperthreading_allowed=1

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RE: How big a flashrom for a minimal freebsd install?

2006-07-30 Thread Murray Taylor
Try these methods of 'minimising' FreeBSD

FWIW - I run 4.11 in 20M of a 32M Compact Flash card
with the build described here

https://neon1.net/misc/minibsd.html

The box acts as a network health monitor with SNMP and fping
utilities running, has a DHCP server running, a GSM modem daemon
and has about 100+ of the 'common' base install utilities an board.
Like tcpdump, vi, grep, comm, awk, the shells csh and sh 
I have partitioned the CF card to have a 2M configuration partition
that is made writeable by rc.shutdown to save a list of my
.conf files and .sh files.

And I believe that you can run PERL in the 32M space if you want to 
add it to the build list...


If you need 5.x or 6.x try these

http://www.ultradesic.com/index.php?section=86   for 5.x
http://www.ultradesic.com/index.php?section=125  for 6.x
 

HTH

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris T.
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 Subject: How big a flashrom for a minimal freebsd install?
 
 Im toying with the idea of setting up a mini-itx server so I 
 can move the dns and firewall daemons off of the fileserver 
 so I can turn it off.  I'm thinking I want to get a flashrom 
 ide adaptor so that I can swap setups on the thing by 
 swapping cards.  I don't see myself using 4GB flash cards for 
 this.  I'd rather get smaller cheaper cards.  How big is a 
 minimal freebsd install?
 
 Chris
 
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RE: How to Change the Time Zone Rules?

2006-07-30 Thread Murray Taylor
Here is the process we used for the Commonwealth Games (when the 
end of Daylight saving was stretched for this year..) This does all
timezone files even though this procedure below only talks about
Australia.

NB The file name is now dated... user the appropriate current tzdata
file !!!



procedure 8--
- save the file (tzdata2005r.tar.gz) into /usr/src/share/zoneinfo then
as root

# cd /usr/src/share/zoneinfo
# tar zxf tzdata2005r.tar.gz
# make
# make install
# cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Melbourne /etc/localtime
# chmod 600 /etc/localtime

Elapsed time - about as fast as you type the commands. 

This will update _all_ Australian timezone files (and apply various
other 
international updates also) on that host. repeat as necessary on other
hosts.

!*!*!*!
a sanity check 

# zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Melbourne | grep 2006

before and after the procedure.
Before- the results will show Daylight saving ending in March 
After - the results will show it ending correctly on the 1st Sunday in
April.

Similar tests can be run for Adelaide, Sydney etc. 
Also a test with Brisbane returns nothing as they don't 
use DST rules. Neither does Lindeman but Lord_Howe does  sigh 

end procedure 8--


NB you may need to update this file also _before_ doing the above ... 
(Im not sure, but our net weenie said it was necessary)

/usr/share/misc/iso3166

Murray Taylor

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Bytecraft Systems
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devfs and changing device permissions

2006-07-30 Thread Robert Huff

If I want to permanently change the permissions for a device, I
add en entry to /etc/devfs.conf.  Right?
But that doesn't get picked up until the next time devd is
started.  If I want to change the permissions right now, can I just
go into /dev and use chmod or do I need to fool around with
devfs(8)?


Robert Huff


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Re: devfs and changing device permissions

2006-07-30 Thread Micah

Robert Huff wrote:

If I want to permanently change the permissions for a device, I
add en entry to /etc/devfs.conf.  Right?


Depends. If the device is present when the system boots, yes. If it 
shows up later (like a USB drive) then you need to set up some 
/etc/devfs.rules instead.



But that doesn't get picked up until the next time devd is
started.  If I want to change the permissions right now, can I just
go into /dev and use chmod or do I need to fool around with
devfs(8)?


Robert Huff


devfs.rules are applied when you execute /etc/rc.d/devfs restart, and 
that may apply to devfs.conf too (never tried it honestly). That said, 
I've never had problems using chmod for temporary changes on device nodes.


HTH,
Micah
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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote:


User Freebsd wrote:

We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and
portsnap server, can't we?


What does that give?


Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or
/usr/local/portsnap directories) are being kept updated on systems
which send HTTP requests to portsnap*.freebsd.org.  Of these, about
4300 are running FreeBSD 6.0, 4500 are running FreeBSD 6.1, 2400
are running FreeBSD 6-STABLE, 300 are running FreeBSD 5.5, and the
remaining 3500 are using copies of portsnap installed from the ports
tree (presumably on earlier FreeBSD releases, since the portsnap
port won't install if portsnap is already part of the FreeBSD base
system).


'k, *this* sounds like it might be perfect ... would it be possible to get 
a copy of the portsnap logs to see about setting up some sort of 
auto-parse?  Maybe setup some statistics and graphs?



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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote:


User Freebsd wrote:

We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and
portsnap server, can't we?


What does that give?


Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or
/usr/local/portsnap directories) are being kept updated on systems
which send HTTP requests to portsnap*.freebsd.org.  Of these, about
4300 are running FreeBSD 6.0, 4500 are running FreeBSD 6.1, 2400
are running FreeBSD 6-STABLE, 300 are running FreeBSD 5.5, and the
remaining 3500 are using copies of portsnap installed from the ports
tree (presumably on earlier FreeBSD releases, since the portsnap
port won't install if portsnap is already part of the FreeBSD base
system).


BTW, is portsnap meant to replace cvsup, or ... ?  Or are we still only 
getting half the picture if we look at portsnap only?




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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jul 30, 2006, at 8:42 PM, User Freebsd wrote:


On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote:


User Freebsd wrote:

We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and
portsnap server, can't we?


What does that give?


Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or
/usr/local/portsnap directories) are being kept updated on systems
which send HTTP requests to portsnap*.freebsd.org.  Of these, about
4300 are running FreeBSD 6.0, 4500 are running FreeBSD 6.1, 2400
are running FreeBSD 6-STABLE, 300 are running FreeBSD 5.5, and the
remaining 3500 are using copies of portsnap installed from the ports
tree (presumably on earlier FreeBSD releases, since the portsnap
port won't install if portsnap is already part of the FreeBSD base
system).


BTW, is portsnap meant to replace cvsup, or ... ?  Or are we still  
only getting half the picture if we look at portsnap only?


You are getting some fraction of the picture.  We don't use portsnap  
(and cvsup we do use but not that often), for example.


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Re: devfs and changing device permissions

2006-07-30 Thread Robert Huff

Micah writes:

  If I want to permanently change the permissions for a device, I
   add en entry to /etc/devfs.conf.  Right?
  
  Depends. If the device is present when the system boots, yes.

In this case, it's lpt0/


  That said, I've never had problems using chmod for temporary
  changes on device nodes.

And it seems to have worked.
Thanks.


Robert Huff
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Re: How to make ADSL modem conections FBSD 6.1

2006-07-30 Thread Bryan Bonifacio
Hi JC,

I suggest you have your ADSL modem changed to a
non-USB one (an ethernet one instead). Those are much
easier to configure and you could connect them
directly to your router. 

I used to have a USB ADSL modem myself but had it
changed so I wouldn't have to deal with them (I wasn't
sure if they were compatible anyways). I imagine your
ISP has an etherenet ADSL modem available. 

I also think the ethernet modem is faster.

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 ADSL contract.
 
 Which are the steps? These modems usually hav only
 Windows drivers...
 
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SMTP-AUTH woes.

2006-07-30 Thread Greg Groth

FreeBSD 6.1
saslauthd version 2.1.22
sendmail version 8.13.6

My problem is that sendmail is not authenticating plain text passwords.

From my /etc/mail/hostname.mc file:

define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS',`PLAIN LOGIN')dnl
TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`PLAIN LOGIN')dnl

However when I telnet to the server I find the following:

250-AUTH GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5

From my /etc/make.conf:

SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include -DSASL=2
SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib
SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl2

From my /usr/local/lib/sasl2/Sendmail.conf file:

pwcheck_method: saslauthd

From my /var/log/maillog file:

Jul 30 23:08:01 mail sendmail[4061]: NOQUEUE: connect from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jul 30 23:08:01 mail sendmail[4061]: STARTTLS: ServerCertFile missing
Jul 30 23:08:01 mail sendmail[4061]: AUTH: available mech=NTLM LOGIN 
ANONYMOUS PLAIN GSSAPI OTP DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5, allowed mech=EXTERNAL 
GSSAPI KERBEROS_V4 DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
Jul 30 23:08:01 mail sendmail[4061]: k6V481s5004061: Milter: no active 
filter


Everything seems to be in place.  SASL is running, and is working fine 
with the included testing tools, but sendmail does not seem to be 
accepting plain text logins.  This is the same setup I have up and 
running on a 6.0 box, but it doesn't seem to be working now.  Any ideas 
on what I might have screwed up?


TIA
Greg Groth
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RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

2006-07-30 Thread Born, Clinton
Dude, I'm not a MS lackey. I just don't trust tech fanatics. They are on
par with Hezbollah.

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Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?


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To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Born, Clinton
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Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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 Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about.


Oh, a person who writes a god damn book about integrating both MS
solutions
and
FreeBSD?  See http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/

You just proved to the world your talking out your ass.

Ted

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

2006-07-30 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Born, Clinton wrote:

Dude, I'm not a MS lackey. I just don't trust tech fanatics. They  
are on

par with Hezbollah.


You really are out of touch, aren't you.

Chad



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Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about.



Oh, a person who writes a god damn book about integrating both MS
solutions
and
FreeBSD?  See http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/

You just proved to the world your talking out your ass.

Ted



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RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

2006-07-30 Thread Born, Clinton
Please explain? Because I like people to have an objective view when it
comes to making technology decisions. We've made bad technology work,
and I've seen free software cost more than the most expensive Microsoft
license. Too many variables are involved and anyone evangelizing a
single system should be viewed with skepticism..  Is this what you mean
buy out of touch?

-Original Message-
From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:01 PM
To: Born, Clinton
Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; FreeBSD Questions
Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?


On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Born, Clinton wrote:

 Dude, I'm not a MS lackey. I just don't trust tech fanatics. They  
 are on
 par with Hezbollah.

You really are out of touch, aren't you.

Chad


 -Original Message-
 From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:42 PM
 To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
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 Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?


 - Original Message -
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 To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Born, Clinton
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 Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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 Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about.


 Oh, a person who writes a god damn book about integrating both MS
 solutions
 and
 FreeBSD?  See http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/

 You just proved to the world your talking out your ass.

 Ted


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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

2006-07-30 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Born, Clinton wrote:

Please explain? Because I like people to have an objective view  
when it

comes to making technology decisions. We've made bad technology work,
and I've seen free software cost more than the most expensive  
Microsoft

license. Too many variables are involved and anyone evangelizing a
single system should be viewed with skepticism..  Is this what you  
mean

buy out of touch?


The comparison to Hezbollah.  There is not one item to compare  
between tech fanatics and Hezbollah -- only contrast.


I personally am not an Open Source (O.S.) weenie, and some folks are  
O.S. fanatics etc (usually you find these in the Linux fan-boy club  
but they probably exist everywhere) but I have yet to see a MS  
solution that was the best solution to a given problem.   Not that  
they don't exist, but the negatives of being trapped in a MS  
proprietary hell forever far outweigh any advantages over the long  
haul.  I have personally seen to m any businesses who get trapped and  
cannot get out because of the proprietary nature of the data storage  
(file formats, etc), even when they want to.  YMMV.


Chad



-Original Message-
From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:01 PM
To: Born, Clinton
Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; FreeBSD Questions
Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?


On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Born, Clinton wrote:


Dude, I'm not a MS lackey. I just don't trust tech fanatics. They
are on
par with Hezbollah.


You really are out of touch, aren't you.

Chad



-Original Message-
From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?


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Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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Yawn You are exactly what I'm talking about.



Oh, a person who writes a god damn book about integrating both MS
solutions
and
FreeBSD?  See http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/

You just proved to the world your talking out your ass.

Ted



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Sendiing mail triggers fetchmail...

2006-07-30 Thread Chris T.

I'm going to set a cron job to get mail repeatedly.

I was just wondering if anyone know if it's possible to get postfix to 
execute a script before or after it sends mail.  I'd like to schedule a 
special fetchmail cron job for say 5 seconds after mail is sent on an 
account.  I'm doing a search on the subject but I obviously don't know 
the proper search terms yet.


And similarly can Cyrus-Imap trigger a script before and or after mail 
retrieval?


Chris

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