Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Roland Smith]

On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 05:41:11PM +0200, Raphael Ahrens wrote:
> Ahh, thank you.
> ke...@kpa.biglobe.ne.jp wrote on Sat, 06.Jul.13 00:03:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:11:41 +0200
> > Raphael Ahrens  wrote:
> > 
> > > When I execute "cd /usr/ports/editors/vim; make config" I get
> > >   ===> No options to configure
> > 
> > try: setenv WITH_OPTIONS=yes
> that did the trick, but I assume this is not the way it is supposed
> to happen.

The port maintainer has made it so, for reasons unknown. This is a marked 
deviation from basically all other ports; the vim port is the only port 
that uses WITH_OPTIONS.

The switch was dropped in r314778 of the ports tree:
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/vim/Makefile?revision=314778&view=markup
but it was brought back in r322016:
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/vim/Makefile?revision=322016&view=markup

I ran into the same issue because I installed vim when WITH_OPTIONS was
absent.

The best way to get around this issue once and for all is to add the 
following to /etc/make.conf:

- /etc/make.conf excerpt -
.if ${.CURDIR:M*/editors/vim}
WITH_OPTIONS=YES
.endif
- /etc/make.conf excerpt -

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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Raphael Ahrens]

Hi,

Jens Jahnke  wrote on Fri, 05.Jul.13 18:49:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:52:59 +0200
> Raphael Ahrens  wrote:
> 
> RA> To get to the bottom of the problem here my make.conf received with
> RA> my now again working gvim, thanks to the remark of Kent. :)
> RA> 
> RA>   WITH_X11=YES
> RA>   OPTIMZED_CFLAGS=YES
> RA>   MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=2
> RA>   BUILD_OPTIMIZED=YES
> RA>   WITH_CPUFLAGS=YES
> RA> 
> RA>   WITH_PKGNG=yes
> RA>   WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
> RA>   TEX_DEFAULT=texlive
> RA>   # added by use.perl 2013-07-05 12:03:07
> RA>   PERL_VERSION=5.12.5
> RA> 
> RA> Greetings,
> RA> Raphael
> 
> that doesn't work on my system. However if I use 
> # setenv WITH_OPTIONS=yes
> # make install
> everything works and I get options again. ;-)
Sorry I should rephrase that.
The option with "setenv WITH_OPTIONS=yes" from Kent worked for me.
But I added the make.conf so I could get a more permanent solution,
because this is more a hot fix in my opinion.

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jens
> 
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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Jens Jahnke]

Hi,

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:52:59 +0200
Raphael Ahrens  wrote:

RA> To get to the bottom of the problem here my make.conf received with
RA> my now again working gvim, thanks to the remark of Kent. :)
RA> 
RA> WITH_X11=YES
RA> OPTIMZED_CFLAGS=YES
RA> MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=2
RA> BUILD_OPTIMIZED=YES
RA> WITH_CPUFLAGS=YES
RA> 
RA> WITH_PKGNG=yes
RA> WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
RA> TEX_DEFAULT=texlive
RA> # added by use.perl 2013-07-05 12:03:07
RA> PERL_VERSION=5.12.5
RA> 
RA> Greetings,
RA> Raphael

that doesn't work on my system. However if I use 
# setenv WITH_OPTIONS=yes
# make install
everything works and I get options again. ;-)

Regards,

Jens

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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Carl Johnson]

Jens Jahnke  writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:56:32 +0200
> CeDeROM  wrote:
>
> C> Hey Raphael :-) Go to /usr/ports/editors/vim and make deinstall
> C> reinstall it, that works for me, and it helps with dialogs in texmode
> C> as well :-)
>
> for me this does not work. Unless I hack the Makefile and force it to
> enable gui mode it just isn't compiled in.

Try running 'make show-options' and see what you get.  Mine shows that
virtually everything is disabled.  If I run 'make showconfig' then it
shows no configurable options.

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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Raphael Ahrens]

Polytropon  wrote on Fri, 05.Jul.13 15:34:
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:51:08 +0200, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> > El 05/07/2013 13:20, "Jens Jahnke"  escribió:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:56:32 +0200
> > > CeDeROM  wrote:
> > >
> > > C> Hey Raphael :-) Go to /usr/ports/editors/vim and make deinstall
> > > C> reinstall it, that works for me, and it helps with dialogs in texmode
> > > C> as well :-)
> > >
> > > for me this does not work. Unless I hack the Makefile and force it to
> > > enable gui mode it just isn't compiled in.
> > 
> > Try a make rmconfig first and then make install.
> 
> And make sure /etc/make.conf does not contain any "offending"
> settings that might suggest you do not have or want X11.
> 
> 
> 
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To get to the bottom of the problem here my make.conf received with my
now again working gvim, thanks to the remark of Kent. :)

WITH_X11=YES
OPTIMZED_CFLAGS=YES
MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=2
BUILD_OPTIMIZED=YES
WITH_CPUFLAGS=YES

WITH_PKGNG=yes
WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
TEX_DEFAULT=texlive
# added by use.perl 2013-07-05 12:03:07
PERL_VERSION=5.12.5

Greetings,
Raphael
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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Raphael Ahrens]

Ahh, thank you.
ke...@kpa.biglobe.ne.jp wrote on Sat, 06.Jul.13 00:03:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:11:41 +0200
> Raphael Ahrens  wrote:
> 
> > When I execute "cd /usr/ports/editors/vim; make config" I get
> > ===> No options to configure
> 
> try: setenv WITH_OPTIONS=yes
that did the trick, but I assume this is not the way it is supposed
to happen.

> 
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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Julian H. Stacey]

Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:51:08 +0200, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> > El 05/07/2013 13:20, "Jens Jahnke"  escribió:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:56:32 +0200
> > > CeDeROM  wrote:
> > >
> > > C> Hey Raphael :-) Go to /usr/ports/editors/vim and make deinstall
> > > C> reinstall it, that works for me, and it helps with dialogs in texmode
> > > C> as well :-)
> > >
> > > for me this does not work. Unless I hack the Makefile and force it to
> > > enable gui mode it just isn't compiled in.
> > 
> > Try a make rmconfig first and then make install.
> 
> And make sure /etc/make.conf does not contain any "offending"
> settings that might suggest you do not have or want X11.

(Half off topic, but I have too many X things on remote servers,
so to reduce that in future I thought I 'd set the same things
Raphael is being reccomended to Unset :-)

I searched on 8.2-RELEASE & just found
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk:
1 x
.if defined(_USE_GHOSTSCRIPT)
.   if !defined(WITHOUT_X11)

1 x
_USE_GHOSTSCRIPT_PKGNAME_SUFFIX=-nox11

Any others ?

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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[kentn]

Hi,

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:11:41 +0200
Raphael Ahrens  wrote:

> When I execute "cd /usr/ports/editors/vim; make config" I get
>   ===> No options to configure

try: setenv WITH_OPTIONS=yes

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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[CeDeROM]

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Raphael Ahrens
 wrote:
>> Have you tried "make config"  (as root) select X11 and graphical
> When I execute "cd /usr/ports/editors/vim; make config" I get
> ===> No options to configure

No options? Are you root? I have those http://justpaste.it/30li

Try:
sudo csh
portsnap fetch update
cd /usr/ports/editors/vim
make rmconfig
make config


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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Jens Jahnke]

Well,

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 15:34:59 +0200
Polytropon  wrote:

P> > Try a make rmconfig first and then make install.
P> 
P> And make sure /etc/make.conf does not contain any "offending"
P> settings that might suggest you do not have or want X11.

if I do make rmconfig it tells me that there was no user config.
To be sure I deleted the /var/db/ports/vim/options file.

Here is my /etc/make.conf:

WITH_PKGNG=yes
# Ruby
RUBY_DEFAULT_VER=2.0
# TeX
TEX_DEFAULT=texlive
# QT
QT4_OPTIONS=CUPS QGTKSTYLE
# added by use.perl 2013-07-02 07:31:18
PERL_VERSION=5.14.4

However vim is still build without x11 support. The only thing working
right now is manually tweaking the Makefile. Otherwise I always end up
with a ./configure --enable-gui=no ...

Regards,

Jens

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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:51:08 +0200, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> El 05/07/2013 13:20, "Jens Jahnke"  escribió:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:56:32 +0200
> > CeDeROM  wrote:
> >
> > C> Hey Raphael :-) Go to /usr/ports/editors/vim and make deinstall
> > C> reinstall it, that works for me, and it helps with dialogs in texmode
> > C> as well :-)
> >
> > for me this does not work. Unless I hack the Makefile and force it to
> > enable gui mode it just isn't compiled in.
> 
> Try a make rmconfig first and then make install.

And make sure /etc/make.conf does not contain any "offending"
settings that might suggest you do not have or want X11.



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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Raphael Ahrens]

CeDeROM  wrote on Fri, 05.Jul.13 13:47:
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Raphael Ahrens
>  wrote:
> > I tried this, but I get the same result.
> > The thing is in the make prozess it prints
> > defaulting to: don't HAVE_X11
> > checking --enable-gui argument... no GUI support
> > checking X11/SM/SMlib.h usability... yes
> > checking X11/SM/SMlib.h presence... yes
> >     checking for X11/SM/SMlib.h... yes
> >     no GUI selected; xim has been disabled
> > no GUI selected; fontset has been disabled
> 
> Have you tried "make config"  (as root) select X11 and graphical
When I execute "cd /usr/ports/editors/vim; make config" I get
===> No options to configure
> toolkit, or "make -DHAVE_X11" . Maybe you have no x11/toolkit
> dependencies installed.. but if you select them in config make should
> build them for you?
The question is which x11/toolkit. I can't remember deleting any before
updating.
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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Fernando Apesteguía]

El 05/07/2013 13:20, "Jens Jahnke"  escribió:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:56:32 +0200
> CeDeROM  wrote:
>
> C> Hey Raphael :-) Go to /usr/ports/editors/vim and make deinstall
> C> reinstall it, that works for me, and it helps with dialogs in texmode
> C> as well :-)
>
> for me this does not work. Unless I hack the Makefile and force it to
> enable gui mode it just isn't compiled in.

Try a make rmconfig first and then make install.

>
> Regards,
>
> Jens
>
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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[CeDeROM]

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Raphael Ahrens
 wrote:
> I tried this, but I get the same result.
> The thing is in the make prozess it prints
> defaulting to: don't HAVE_X11
> checking --enable-gui argument... no GUI support
> checking X11/SM/SMlib.h usability... yes
> checking X11/SM/SMlib.h presence... yes
> checking for X11/SM/SMlib.h... yes
> no GUI selected; xim has been disabled
> no GUI selected; fontset has been disabled

Have you tried "make config"  (as root) select X11 and graphical
toolkit, or "make -DHAVE_X11" . Maybe you have no x11/toolkit
dependencies installed.. but if you select them in config make should
build them for you?

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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Jens Jahnke]

Hi,

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:56:32 +0200
CeDeROM  wrote:

C> Hey Raphael :-) Go to /usr/ports/editors/vim and make deinstall
C> reinstall it, that works for me, and it helps with dialogs in texmode
C> as well :-)

for me this does not work. Unless I hack the Makefile and force it to
enable gui mode it just isn't compiled in.

Regards,

Jens

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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[Raphael Ahrens]

Hi Tomek,

I tried this, but I get the same result.
The thing is in the make prozess it prints 
defaulting to: don't HAVE_X11
checking --enable-gui argument... no GUI support
checking X11/SM/SMlib.h usability... yes
checking X11/SM/SMlib.h presence... yes
checking for X11/SM/SMlib.h... yes
    no GUI selected; xim has been disabled
    no GUI selected; fontset has been disabled

So I think my system is missing some library or configuration.
At first I thought that I just need to execute "make config" in
editor/vim, but it has no configurations.
I am actually little bit puzzled. 

Best regards,
Raphael

CeDeROM  wrote on Fri, 05.Jul.13 12:56:
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Raphael Ahrens
>  wrote:
> > After my last update of vim I can't use gvim anymore.
> > If fails with the following message
> > E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time
> > Now what do I have to do to compile vim with GUI support?
> 
> Hey Raphael :-) Go to /usr/ports/editors/vim and make deinstall
> reinstall it, that works for me, and it helps with dialogs in texmode
> as well :-)
> 
> Best regards :-)
> Tomek Cedro
> 
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Re: gvim GUI cannot be used

[CeDeROM]

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Raphael Ahrens
 wrote:
> After my last update of vim I can't use gvim anymore.
> If fails with the following message
>     E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time
> Now what do I have to do to compile vim with GUI support?

Hey Raphael :-) Go to /usr/ports/editors/vim and make deinstall
reinstall it, that works for me, and it helps with dialogs in texmode
as well :-)

Best regards :-)
Tomek Cedro

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gvim GUI cannot be used

[Raphael Ahrens]

Hi list,

After my last update of vim I can't use gvim anymore.
If fails with the following message
E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time

Now what do I have to do to compile vim with GUI support?

Thanks,
Raphael
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gvim GUI cannot be used

[Raphael Ahrens]

Hi list,

since my last (01.07) upgrade of vim, I can't use gvim anymore.
It fails with the following error message:
E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time

What do I have to do to again compile vim with GUI support?

Thanks,
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Re: just thought of a new gui port!

[Waitman Gobble]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Robert Bonomi  wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:26:25 -0800
>> Subject: Re: just thought of a new gui port!
>> From: Waitman Gobble 
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2012 5:20 PM, "Robert Bonomi"  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:10:50 -0800
>> > > From: Gary Kline 
>> > > Subject: just thought of a new gui port!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >   2. I live so close to the airport weather station that im sure
>> > >   that would tell me tons more stuff that I could pick up outside
>> the
>> > >   house.  Iremember seeing the weather bureau for the entire US.
>> > >   pretty sure there are global sites with similar data.
>> >
>> > www.wunderground.com  has more than you could want to know.
>> >
>> > Odds are good that somebody near you has a private weather station on
>>  line
>> > already.
>> >
>> > If not, lots of info about weather station equipment with computer
>> interface.
>> >
>>
>> wunderground is definitely a great site however at least in my location the
>> temperature can be off as much as ten degrees, its almost like they are
>> reading from a station on top of the mountain, and I.m in the valley. Its
>> an issue of being on the coast I suppose, for example it could be 80
>> degrees inland but a ten mile drive and your down to 50 degrees.
>
> You mean none of the *19* wunderground stations listed as being in San Jose
> proper, or the =40+= in the metro area, are 'accurate' for your location?
> <http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=San+Jose+California#stations>
>
>


Hi,
It may be better lately, last time I checked was a couple of years ago!
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=los+altos+hills
Station #1 on the map comes up as being on the other side of the 280,
and it looks like it's up on top of the mountain.
I don't remember station 3 or 4 being there a few years ago, maybe it
was. Right now I'm approximately in the center of 1,2,3,4.
At the moment there's about a 5 to 6 degrees difference between 3 and 1.
It wasn't a scientific comparison :-), i remember looking at the
weather on the site one day and noticed the temp was about 10 degrees
different at that moment :)
Waitman
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Re: just thought of a new gui port!

[Robert Bonomi]

> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:26:25 -0800
> Subject: Re: just thought of a new gui port!
> From: Waitman Gobble 
>
> On Nov 27, 2012 5:20 PM, "Robert Bonomi"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:10:50 -0800
> > > From: Gary Kline 
> > > Subject: just thought of a new gui port!
> > >
> > >
> > >   2. I live so close to the airport weather station that im sure
> > >   that would tell me tons more stuff that I could pick up outside
> the
> > >   house.  Iremember seeing the weather bureau for the entire US.
> > >   pretty sure there are global sites with similar data.
> >
> > www.wunderground.com  has more than you could want to know.
> >
> > Odds are good that somebody near you has a private weather station on
>  line
> > already.
> >
> > If not, lots of info about weather station equipment with computer
> interface.
> >
>
> wunderground is definitely a great site however at least in my location the
> temperature can be off as much as ten degrees, its almost like they are
> reading from a station on top of the mountain, and I.m in the valley. Its
> an issue of being on the coast I suppose, for example it could be 80
> degrees inland but a ten mile drive and your down to 50 degrees.

You mean none of the *19* wunderground stations listed as being in San Jose
proper, or the =40+= in the metro area, are 'accurate' for your location?
<http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=San+Jose+California#stations>


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(OT) Re: just thought of a new gui port!

[Gary Aitken]

> wunderground is definitely a great site however at least in my location the
> temperature can be off as much as ten degrees, its almost like they are
> reading from a station on top of the mountain, and I.m in the valley. Its
> an issue of being on the coast I suppose, for example it could be 80
> degrees inland but a ten mile drive and your down to 50 degrees.
> 
> Waitman Gobble
> San Jose California

You might try tailoring the National Weather Service's model to interpolate to 
your exact location.  Modify the link below to contain your latitude 
(textField1)
and longitude (textField2).  Note that longitude is negative in the U.S.  You
can get lat and long via google maps or a gps.

Don't know how accurate it will be, but where I am it seems to take care of
the change due to mountains and elevation pretty well.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=San+Jose&state=CA&site=MTR&textField1=37.3394&textField2=-121.894&e=0
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weather info (was Re: just thought of a new gui port!)

[Warren Block]

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Waitman Gobble wrote:


It looks like Oregon Scientific has some cool weather station models with
USB connectivity, might work well with a FreeBSD system...

wunderground is definitely a great site however at least in my location the
temperature can be off as much as ten degrees, its almost like they are
reading from a station on top of the mountain, and I.m in the valley. Its
an issue of being on the coast I suppose, for example it could be 80
degrees inland but a ten mile drive and your down to 50 degrees.


Some of that may be due to the installation.  In the sun, on the 
sheltered side of a building, that sort of thing.


I found some code to use an Arduino as a USB wireless receiver for 
inexpensive temperature/humidity sensors like the Meade TS34C.  It 
requires some modification to a common wireless module.  So far, I have 
not got it working.


http://jeelabs.net/projects/cafe/wiki/Receiving_OOKASK_with_a_modified_RFM12B
http://forum.jeelabs.net/node/309
https://bitbucket.org/fuzzillogic/433mhzforarduino/src/7fadcc1199ad/RemoteSensor%20library/RemoteSensor/SensorReceiver.h

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Re: just thought of a new gui port!

[Waitman Gobble]

On Nov 27, 2012 5:20 PM, "Robert Bonomi"  wrote:
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:10:50 -0800
> > From: Gary Kline 
> > Subject: just thought of a new gui port!
> >
> >
> >   2. I live so close to the airport weather station that im sure
> >   that would tell me tons more stuff that I could pick up outside
the
> >   house.  Iremember seeing the weather bureau for the entire US.
> >   pretty sure there are global sites with similar data.
>
> www.wunderground.com  has more than you could want to know.
>
> Odds are good that somebody near you has a private weather station on
 line
> already.
>
> If not, lots of info about weather station equipment with computer
interface.
>
>
>
>
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It looks like Oregon Scientific has some cool weather station models with
USB connectivity, might work well with a FreeBSD system...

wunderground is definitely a great site however at least in my location the
temperature can be off as much as ten degrees, its almost like they are
reading from a station on top of the mountain, and I.m in the valley. Its
an issue of being on the coast I suppose, for example it could be 80
degrees inland but a ten mile drive and your down to 50 degrees.

Waitman Gobble
San Jose California
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Re: just thought of a new gui port!

[Robert Bonomi]

> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:10:50 -0800
> From: Gary Kline 
> Subject: just thought of a new gui port!
>
>
>   2. I live so close to the airport weather station that im sure
>   that would tell me tons more stuff that I could pick up outside the
>   house.  Iremember seeing the weather bureau for the entire US.
>   pretty sure there are global sites with similar data.

www.wunderground.com  has more than you could want to know.

Odds are good that somebody near you has a private weather station on  line
already.

If not, lots of info about weather station equipment with computer interface.




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just thought of a new gui port!

[Gary Kline]

how about a local weather GUI that reports the outdoors highs and
lows [temps], and the barometric scale and the forecast?

we've got one in a shaded area on our deck that pings an indoors
receiver every 10-15 minutes.  I can't get too close to the 
receiver for fear of ramming into the furniture.  also, the
backlight only lasts a few seconds ... too fast for me to scan
everything.

1. is there any transmitter that will reach, say, 25 meters and 
whose data could be picked up by a card inside my computer?

2. I live so close to the airport weather station that im sure
that would tell me tons more stuff that I could pick up outside the
house.  Iremember seeing the weather bureau for the entire US.
pretty sure there are global sites with similar data.

feedback?

gary

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Re: GUI for "gpart"

[Bruce Cran]

On 07/07/2012 23:08, Bruce Cran wrote:

On 07/07/2012 23:04, Thomas Mueller wrote:
I think gpart is the newer disk partitioning program for FreeBSD, 
replacing the older gpt still used in NetBSD and DragonFlyBSD.


No. gpart is the tool - it supports both mbr and gpt partitioning 
schemes.




Sorry you're right - I've seen lots of people thinking gpart only 
supports GPT and didn't read it properly before replying.


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RE: GUI for "gpart"

[Wojciech Puchar]

Perhaps your English phrasing loses something in translation, but your 
"opinions" are always presented in a way that you are correct and the rest of 
the world is just wrong.


what you expect - to assume i am wrong and everyone else is right. if i 
assume so i don't present such opinion naturally.



As for the original question have a look at the gparted live cd, full GUI

no idea how it is freebsd related.
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Re: GUI for "gpart"

[Bruce Cran]

On 07/07/2012 23:04, Thomas Mueller wrote:

I think gpart is the newer disk partitioning program for FreeBSD, replacing the 
older gpt still used in NetBSD and DragonFlyBSD.


No. gpart is the tool - it supports both mbr and gpt partitioning schemes.

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Re: GUI for "gpart"

[Thomas Mueller]

On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:58:06 -0400, Carmel wrote:
> I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for "gpart" I
> heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for
> FreeBSD and comparable with KDE?

I think gpart is the newer disk partitioning program for FreeBSD, replacing the 
older gpt still used in NetBSD and DragonFlyBSD.

gpart in FreeBSD supports partition types suitable mainly for FreeBSD as 
opposed to more general, including Linux and other BSD.

So I wouldn't expect to find gpart in Linux, though there is a more general 
gdisk, by Rod Smith:

http://rodsbooks.com/gdisk/

But I don't think there is any GUI for gdisk.

I believe the latest release is 0.8.5; gdisk is also in FreeBSD ports, latest 
version there being 0.8.2 as far as I know.


Tom
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Re: GUI for "gpart"

[Wojciech Puchar]

What happened to the idea of "having a choice" ? If you want to keep
living in the 80's with a text based menu, go ahead, I prefer a click
not only me but anyone that wants productivity do live in 80's text based 
interfaces or even 60-70's command line interfaces.


These are facts.

And partition editor are not supposed to be used by end users.
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RE: GUI for "gpart"

[Graeme Dargie]

-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar
Sent: 07 July 2012 14:50
To: FreeBSD
Subject: Re: GUI for "gpart"

> I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for "gpart" I 
> heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for 
> FreeBSD and comparable with KDE?
no idea. If you want it with already installed system, try to compile linux 
software.

Anyway i see no reason for such a software, click-click solutions are always 
inefficient relative to normal text based ones, and partitioning is not a job 
that end user (who want click-click interfaces at all cost) is supposed to do 
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Perhaps your English phrasing loses something in translation, but your 
"opinions" are always presented in a way that you are correct and the rest of 
the world is just wrong. 

As for the original question have a look at the gparted live cd, full GUI 
support on that so you might be able to get that running, off the top of my 
head I am not sure about UFS support.
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Re: GUI for "gpart"

[Beni Brinckman]

2012/7/7 Wojciech Puchar :
>> I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for "gpart" I
>> heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for
>> FreeBSD and comparable with KDE?
>
> no idea. If you want it with already installed system, try to compile linux
> software.
>
> Anyway i see no reason for such a software, click-click solutions are always
> inefficient relative to normal text based ones, and partitioning is not a
> job that end user (who want click-click interfaces at all cost) is supposed
> to do

What happened to the idea of "having a choice" ? If you want to keep
living in the 80's with a text based menu, go ahead, I prefer a click
solution. And I see no reason why a click solution is "always"
inefficient. That depends on the programmer making the interface.
I'm a desktop user. So I should mind my own business and shut up
because some old (or senior if you prefer) server guy has a problem
using a mouse ? No thanks ! I prefer to live in 2012 and use the
technical means of nowadays.
No flames intended, just my opinion (which has nothing to do with the
original question, I know).
Beni.
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Re: GUI for "gpart"

[Wojciech Puchar]

I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for "gpart" I
heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for
FreeBSD and comparable with KDE?
no idea. If you want it with already installed system, try to compile 
linux software.


Anyway i see no reason for such a software, click-click solutions are 
always inefficient relative to normal text based ones, and partitioning is 
not a job that end user (who want click-click interfaces at all cost) is 
supposed to do

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Re: GUI for "gpart"

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:58:06 -0400, Carmel wrote:
> I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for "gpart" I
> heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for
> FreeBSD and comparable with KDE?

I'd suggest to look into the PC-BSD installer and the
utilities that come with that system.


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GUI for "gpart"

[Carmel]

I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for "gpart" I
heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for
FreeBSD and comparable with KDE?

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RE: Broken amd64 packages: cvsup-without-gui and sup

[Devin Teske]

Update.

> -Original Message-
> From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Devin Teske
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 12:05 PM
> To: FreeBSD Questions
> Subject: Broken amd64 packages: cvsup-without-gui and sup
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p6 here, we've noticed that both the amd64 build
> of "supfilesrv" as installed by the "sup-2.0.20060802" package

Oops. Above is a non-truth (can be ignored).

Turns out to be a system administration problem.

The sup-2.0.20060802 package is just fine.



> AND the amd64
> build of "cvsupd" as installed by the "cvsup-without-gui-16.1h_4" package,
both
> segmentation fault immediately upon connection.

This one is real (exactly as stated).

Still remains... anyone noticed this?


> 
> The easiest solution we've found is to simply use the i386 builds provided by
> packages of the same name (works fine so-long-as the lib32 compat libraries
are
> installed).
> 

Still the "accepted solution" with-respect to cvsup-without-gui-16.1h_4 on
8.1-RELEASE-p6.
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Broken amd64 packages: cvsup-without-gui and sup

[Devin Teske]

Hi all,

Running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p6 here, we've noticed that both the amd64 build of
"supfilesrv" as installed by the "sup-2.0.20060802" package AND the amd64 build
of "cvsupd" as installed by the "cvsup-without-gui-16.1h_4" package, both
segmentation fault immediately upon connection.

The easiest solution we've found is to simply use the i386 builds provided by
packages of the same name (works fine so-long-as the lib32 compat libraries are
installed).

Has anybody else noticed that these two binaries seem to be misbehaving in a
normal RELEASE (no jails, no vimages, just standard setup)?
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GUI tool from several years ago...

[Gary Kline]

do any of you remember the name of the port that set up a GUI square
or rectangle and allowed easy expansion of code underneath? it let
you do-GUI-framework-quick-and-easy.

my key-click program is close enough that i want to move on to the
part where the mute or speech-impaired user clicks on this GUI
rectangle.  let's say he clicks on the default "talk.0"; the app 
instantly brings up vim or gvim that is loaded with ~130 abbrevs.  the
user types, say, "hw r u gys?" into the talk.0 file.  after he types :x,
thed program forks espeak -f talk.0  and everyone around hears his 
computerized voice.  meanwhile, the gui app  moves talk.0 to
~/.Speak, say,  and spawns gvim talk.1 in case anybody says something
that requires further communication (and typing).

this Speech/Speak tool is =not= for geeks.  --ok. not
necessarily! it is for anyone with a small, lightweight
netpad/notepad like the EEE 900A.  i've talked to a hacker who
volunteers for the OLPC project.  it has a membrane keyboard.  a lot
of the children find this hard to type on, so an audible "click" --
loud or soft -- might be a major win.  

Thus, having the easy-devel tool to  create GUI apps would be a big
help.  i found it maybe 15 years ago, played with it for an hour or
two before going back to the Xlib  files I was teaching myself.  --I
could always use Xaw3d or something else that i'm familiar with, but
would rather find an easier way. i've been searching thru ports.  so
far, nothing.

thanks for any clues!

gary


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Re: Freebsd, Virtual OSs and GUI

[Chris Brennan]

On Friday, October 14, 2011, Jorge Biquez  wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> Thanks for you comments and advice.
>
> Jorge Biquez
>
> At 10:55 p.m. 12/10/2011, Carl Johnson wrote:
>
> Adam Vande More  writes:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote:
>>
>> It is better to install KDE or GNOME as the base GUI or it is better to have
>>> any other ? (I do not know what could be).
>>>
>>
>> This is one of those ask a hundred different people get 100 different
>> answers.  I prefer KDE which would work well for you because both KDE and
>> VirtualBox are built on QT4, a rather large system.  KDE isn't really that
>> heavy though relatively speaking.  VirtualBox runs great for me and does all
>> you indicated.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> What do you think is the best option to save hardware resources and
>>> accomplish this task ? Something important is that this lab machine will be
>>> connected directly with the ISP (public IP's)  and I will need to connect
>>> remotely to control the server and the other OS's.
>>>
>>
>> You will probably want a CPU and chipset that has hardware assist for
>> virtualization, and plenty of RAM for both host and guests.  Disk choice
>> should reflect your data capacity, redundancy, and speed needs.  A good
>> quality Intel NIC is always nice.
>
> If the OP is going to run a 64-bit OS, then hardware vitualization
> assist is *required* for VirtualBox to handle it.  It is not required
> when VirtualBox is running a 32-bit OS.  Just another minor detail to
> consider.
>
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Just as a sidenote, you don't need to install something as large as
kde or Gnome where flu box/openbox/blackbox or KFCE will suffice. Why
overburden yourself with extra's that could potentially ruin any
testing? Especially if all of the os's you mention will be running at
once. You could also look at qemu, it isn't the easiest to use at
times, but it can be used entirely from the cmdln. I've used it before
to run gentoo from a FreeBSD host, and it did so very nicely.

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Re: Freebsd, Virtual OSs and GUI

[Jorge Biquez]

Hello all.

Thanks for you comments and advice.

Jorge Biquez

At 10:55 p.m. 12/10/2011, Carl Johnson wrote:

Adam Vande More  writes:

> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Jorge Biquez 
wrote:

>
> It is better to install KDE or GNOME as the base GUI or it is 
better to have

>> any other ? (I do not know what could be).
>>
>
> This is one of those ask a hundred different people get 100 different
> answers.  I prefer KDE which would work well for you because both KDE and
> VirtualBox are built on QT4, a rather large system.  KDE isn't really that
> heavy though relatively speaking.  VirtualBox runs great for me 
and does all

> you indicated.
>
>
>>
>> What do you think is the best option to save hardware resources and
>> accomplish this task ? Something important is that this lab 
machine will be

>> connected directly with the ISP (public IP's)  and I will need to connect
>> remotely to control the server and the other OS's.
>>
>
> You will probably want a CPU and chipset that has hardware assist for
> virtualization, and plenty of RAM for both host and guests.  Disk choice
> should reflect your data capacity, redundancy, and speed needs.  A good
> quality Intel NIC is always nice.

If the OP is going to run a 64-bit OS, then hardware vitualization
assist is *required* for VirtualBox to handle it.  It is not required
when VirtualBox is running a 32-bit OS.  Just another minor detail to
consider.

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Re: Freebsd, Virtual OSs and GUI

[Carl Johnson]

Adam Vande More  writes:

> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote:
>
> It is better to install KDE or GNOME as the base GUI or it is better to have
>> any other ? (I do not know what could be).
>>
>
> This is one of those ask a hundred different people get 100 different
> answers.  I prefer KDE which would work well for you because both KDE and
> VirtualBox are built on QT4, a rather large system.  KDE isn't really that
> heavy though relatively speaking.  VirtualBox runs great for me and does all
> you indicated.
>
>
>>
>> What do you think is the best option to save hardware resources and
>> accomplish this task ? Something important is that this lab machine will be
>> connected directly with the ISP (public IP's)  and I will need to connect
>> remotely to control the server and the other OS's.
>>
>
> You will probably want a CPU and chipset that has hardware assist for
> virtualization, and plenty of RAM for both host and guests.  Disk choice
> should reflect your data capacity, redundancy, and speed needs.  A good
> quality Intel NIC is always nice.

If the OP is going to run a 64-bit OS, then hardware vitualization
assist is *required* for VirtualBox to handle it.  It is not required
when VirtualBox is running a 32-bit OS.  Just another minor detail to
consider.

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Re: Freebsd, Virtual OSs and GUI

[Adam Vande More]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote:

It is better to install KDE or GNOME as the base GUI or it is better to have
> any other ? (I do not know what could be).
>

This is one of those ask a hundred different people get 100 different
answers.  I prefer KDE which would work well for you because both KDE and
VirtualBox are built on QT4, a rather large system.  KDE isn't really that
heavy though relatively speaking.  VirtualBox runs great for me and does all
you indicated.


>
> What do you think is the best option to save hardware resources and
> accomplish this task ? Something important is that this lab machine will be
> connected directly with the ISP (public IP's)  and I will need to connect
> remotely to control the server and the other OS's.
>

You will probably want a CPU and chipset that has hardware assist for
virtualization, and plenty of RAM for both host and guests.  Disk choice
should reflect your data capacity, redundancy, and speed needs.  A good
quality Intel NIC is always nice.


>
> If I do not need necessarily a GUI running with FreeBSD, what do you
> suggest to use?
>

You don't need a GUI, VirtualBox has a headless mode that handles it for
you.

By the way the hardware I will use I guess it is enough since it is for
> testing only and I won't be connected remotely all the time. The machine is
> an "old" Pentium Core 2 Duo, 2GB of ram (its maximum) and a hard disk of
> 500gb, also it has an Nvdia card 256Mb (can use the one with the motherboard
> if that is a problem) The motherboard is an INtel one. It runs perectly
> FreeBSD using it in text mode. As a curios information something in the
> motherboard maybe is not compatible with UBuntu .
>

The hardware you mention likely doesn't have VT-d, and probably has VT-x
which is perfectly fine, because to my knowledge you can't use VT-d with
VirtualBox yet anyways.

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Freebsd, Virtual OSs and GUI

[Jorge Biquez]

Hello all.

I hope this question does not sound too stupid. I am sorry in advance 
if you think so.


Since version 2.x and until now all I have been using FreeBsd as a 
server, helping a small ISP company of a friend , basic web services, 
email, dns etc. All I have been doing has been done in the text 
interface, the pure shell. In fact, I have to confess that I have 
never tried any of the GUIs available.


For some reasons not important to mention I need to have a server 
that can virtualize some other OS's (Linux, Freebsd and Windows). 
This will be used as a lab for some personal projects. Of course I 
thought to have as the base FreeBsd Version 8.2 and have the virtual 
machines running inside, was wondering if Virtualbox runs fine there. 
The virtual machines need to be used with their graphical interface 
(Gnome , Kde and windows). So I guess that the best and need is to 
have a graphical interface also running with the base (FreeBsd 8.2).


Is that correct? If so, here are some questions:

It is better to install KDE or GNOME as the base GUI or it is better 
to have any other ? (I do not know what could be).


What do you think is the best option to save hardware resources and 
accomplish this task ? Something important is that this lab machine 
will be connected directly with the ISP (public IP's)  and I will 
need to connect remotely to control the server and the other OS's.


If I do not need necessarily a GUI running with FreeBSD, what do you 
suggest to use?


I have to mention that I have done the first phase of my testing 
using XP and inside of it running VirtualBox with FreeBsd and Linux 
distros without problems... BUT... OF COURSE even with the firewall, 
antivirus , latest patches and all the protection schema, yesterday 
the antivirus start telling the machine has virus and seems it was 
comprmised, of course I can not continue using it and it was not the 
idea to have that, but for the 3 dyas of testing what I need to do was enough.


By the way the hardware I will use I guess it is enough since it is 
for testing only and I won't be connected remotely all the time. The 
machine is an "old" Pentium Core 2 Duo, 2GB of ram (its maximum) and 
a hard disk of 500gb, also it has an Nvdia card 256Mb (can use the 
one with the motherboard if that is a problem) The motherboard is an 
INtel one. It runs perectly FreeBSD using it in text mode. As a 
curios information something in the motherboard maybe is not 
compatible with UBuntu .


As always thanks in advance for your comments and your time.

Jorge Biquez

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Re: what are the plain GUI text editors that use the abbrev [as in vi]?

[Thomas Dickey]

On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 10:57:28AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 03:40:39AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
> > Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 03:40:39 -0700
> > From: "Randal L. Schwartz" 
> > Subject: Re: what are the plain GUI text editors that use the abbrev [as in
> >  vi]?
> > To: Gary Kline 
> > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List 
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gary" == Gary Kline  writes:
> > 
> > Gary> several months ago i asked this list if there were any =easier= text
> > Gary> editors than vi[m] that had the abbrev ability.
> > 
> > GNU Emacs is easier for me than vim is.  And it has abbrev mode.
> 
> 
>   I'm looking for  a GUI editor that can be used by most
>   people with little training.  Somebody told me that one of
>   the GUI editors have the abbreviation feature.  
> 
>   [the only way i can use emacs is with xemacs and VILE!
>   back to vi.]

vile has abbreviate...

"abbreviate"
  or"show-abbreviations"
  ( establish shorthand for another string, or show all abbreviations )

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Re: what are the plain GUI text editors that use the abbrev [as in vi]?

[Gary Kline]

On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 03:40:39AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 03:40:39 -0700
> From: "Randal L. Schwartz" 
> Subject: Re: what are the plain GUI text editors that use the abbrev [as in
>  vi]?
> To: Gary Kline 
> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List 
> 
> >>>>> "Gary" == Gary Kline  writes:
> 
> Gary> several months ago i asked this list if there were any =easier= text
> Gary> editors than vi[m] that had the abbrev ability.
> 
> GNU Emacs is easier for me than vim is.  And it has abbrev mode.


I'm looking for  a GUI editor that can be used by most
people with little training.  Somebody told me that one of
the GUI editors have the abbreviation feature.  

[the only way i can use emacs is with xemacs and VILE!
back to vi.]

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Re: what are the plain GUI text editors that use the abbrev [as in vi]?

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "Gary" == Gary Kline  writes:

Gary> several months ago i asked this list if there were any =easier= text
Gary> editors than vi[m] that had the abbrev ability.

GNU Emacs is easier for me than vim is.  And it has abbrev mode.

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what are the plain GUI text editors that use the abbrev [as in vi]?

[Gary Kline]

several months ago i asked this list if there were any =easier= text
editors than vi[m] that had the abbrev ability.

ab u you
ab r are
ab thz  these
ab plz  please

etc.

now that i have my key-click program working--however tententively--
it is time to work on the rest of my 'speech computer' suite.

IIRC, there was at least one--like kate--that was able to use
abbreviations and help those folk who cannot type fast and/or who
are hunt-andd-pek type typist [like me] who never take their eyes
off the keyboard.

i plan on using gvim ((maybe)) and one GUI type editor.  i'm also
requesting ideas.  as many as you guys are willing to share.

tia,

gary




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Re: How to use gui

[Pierre-Luc Drouin]

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Sudhakar K  wrote:
> Sir,
> i'm new to freebsd 8.2, i downloaded full dvd iso. I installed once.
> But on gui. Can you please tell me how to install this release and use
> gui desktop.
> Now its only a dos like environment. Please help me. I'm new to freebsd.

Hi. Welcome to FreeBSD!

By default FreeBSD takes the minimalistic approach of not installing
possibly unneeded dependencies, so this is why there is no X server
and window manager by default. To install some, you should read the
FreeBSD handbook
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/) and
particularly the Chapters 4 and 5. Or you could always install PC-BSD,
which is based on FreeBSD and which installs and configure X and a
window manager by default.


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Re: How to use gui

[patricio retamales]

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html

2011/8/9 Sudhakar K 

> Sir,
> i'm new to freebsd 8.2, i downloaded full dvd iso. I installed once.
> But on gui. Can you please tell me how to install this release and use
> gui desktop.
> Now its only a dos like environment. Please help me. I'm new to freebsd.
>
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Re: How to use gui

[Chuck Swiger]

Hi--

On Aug 9, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Sudhakar K wrote:
> i'm new to freebsd 8.2, i downloaded full dvd iso. I installed once.
> But on gui. Can you please tell me how to install this release and use
> gui desktop.
> Now its only a dos like environment. Please help me. I'm new to freebsd.

Read the fine Handbook documentation on how to setup X11:

  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x11.html

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How to use gui

[Sudhakar K]

Sir,
i'm new to freebsd 8.2, i downloaded full dvd iso. I installed once.
But on gui. Can you please tell me how to install this release and use
gui desktop.
Now its only a dos like environment. Please help me. I'm new to freebsd.

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Re: Gui CD soft recommend

[Peter Vereshagin]

I know St. Peter won't call your name, freebsd-questions!
2011/03/30 22:00:14 +0100 Graham Bentley  => To 
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
GB> Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better]

tkdvd
should use it patched for -joliet-long ever.

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Re: Gui CD soft recommend

[Chris Brennan]

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Gökşin Akdeniz
 wrote:

Try tkdvd. It is in ports tree (sysutils/tkdvd)
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While not a GUI it's minimilistic, give bashburn a shot 


Port:   bashburn-2.1.2_2
Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/bashburn
Info:   CD burning bash script
--
Port:   mybashburn-1.0.2_2
Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/mybashburn
Info:   Ncurses CD burning bash script


Bashburn I've used before, Mybashburn I have not but it looks like the
next elocutionary step for Bashburn if it does indeed function the same.
Bashburn *IS* a collection of bash scripts that handle the cmdln apps
directly (for you), all driven by a menu.

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Re: Gui CD soft recommend

[Gökşin Akdeniz]

Try tkdvd. It is in ports tree (sysutils/tkdvd)

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Re: Gui CD soft recommend

[Graham Bentley]

Thanks for your several considered replies

> 1) If you're already got KDE libs, k3b / k3b-kde4 is pretty light
> 2) I find that Gnome has pretty good built-in support
> 3) Polytropon as 1,2 mostly

I shoud have been more specific. Im running xorg with vtwm
and trying to stay light / minimal as possible. Burncd is fine
for alot of jobs but not whilst eating toast. xcdroast seems
somewhat dated / clunky and is currently reporting that
theres no disc in drive even though I can mount said disc
manually [although it has worked for me in past] so
I was wondering what other light users are doing?
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Re: Gui CD soft recommend

[Adam Vande More]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Graham Bentley  wrote:

> Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies =
> better]
>

If you're already got KDE libs, running sysutils/k3b or sysutils/k3b-kde4 is
pretty light.  It's feature set is comparable if not better than something
like Nero.

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Re: Gui CD soft recommend

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:14 +0100, "Graham Bentley"  wrote:
> Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend
> [less dependencies = better]

I don't know of a stand-alone GUI program, but all the "big"
desktop environments have a favourite. The one provided by
Gnome should work quite well, but if you're already using
KDE, use the tools that come with it. I think the Xfce
file manager also comes with the respective functionalities.
In how far they depend on command line tools, I'm not sure.
But in the realm of dependencies, those should be the smallest
problem. :-)


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Re: Gui CD soft recommend

[Devin Teske]

On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 22:00 +0100, Graham Bentley wrote:

> Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better]


Depends on what you want to write.

I find that Gnome has pretty good built-in support (both for writing
ISO's and dysjoint files/directories).
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Gui CD soft recommend

[Graham Bentley]

Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better]

Thanks!

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Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations

[Gary Kline]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 08:21:20PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> 
> >iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of
> >    vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab
> >abbreviations that vi does?
> >
> 
> kate, the bundled text editor for KDE can use vi bindings.
> 
> -- 
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Interesting.  I have use kate by accident a few times.  But my
fingers did /pattern anf [hjkl] just by habit.  So I quit out of
it and went back to [n]vi :-)

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Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations

[Gary Kline]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 06:49:18PM -0700, Fred wrote:
> On 02/21/11 18:32, Gary Kline wrote:
> > iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of
> > vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab
> > abbreviations that vi does?  I ask this because I don't know
> > wmany many people with speech imopairments or who cannot speak
> > at all would be interested in using my version of vi/vim with
> > it's .ex/.nex/.vimrc and my hundred+ abbreviations.
> >
> > The IM app, pidgin is not an editor, but it does let user use
> > the mouse and/or arrow keys.  pidgin also uses abbrvs.  BEcause
> > i type so slowly, i have my pidgin set up to use a slew of
> > abbrev.  [Well, not the obv's, like 'FWIW' :-) ... but other
> > words.
> >
> > I would be interested in knowing how many list members _don't_
> > know vi and use another editor.  just curious
> >
> > gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I have been using nedit for many years.  It is very easy to use.  It
> uses the mouse, arrow keys, etc. so you don't have to do multiple
> keystrokes.  Vi is insane.  I don't know what you mean about the
> abbreviations though.  I don't think it does that.  The current
> version in ports for 8.1-RELEASE has a problem requiring a simple
> patch when it is built. This was discussed here a couple weeks ago.
> 
> Best regards,
> Fred


Very simply, in your .vimrc, if you type

:ab i I

or

:ab thr there

anytime you type "i" it goes to "I".  The "thr" abbreviation
becomes the word "there."

gary


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Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations

[ill...@gmail.com]

On 21 February 2011 20:49, Fred  wrote:
> On 02/21/11 18:32, Gary Kline wrote:
>>
>>        iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of
>>        vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab
>>        abbreviations that vi does?  I ask this because I don't know
>>        wmany many people with speech imopairments or who cannot speak
>>        at all would be interested in using my version of vi/vim with
>>        it's .ex/.nex/.vimrc and my hundred+ abbreviations.
>>
>>        The IM app, pidgin is not an editor, but it does let user use
>>        the mouse and/or arrow keys.  pidgin also uses abbrvs.  BEcause
>>        i type so slowly, i have my pidgin set up to use a slew of
>>        abbrev.  [Well, not the obv's, like 'FWIW' :-) ... but other
>>        words.
>>
>>        I would be interested in knowing how many list members _don't_
>>        know vi and use another editor.  just curious
>>

As little as I like linking to the "en"cyclopaedia that even a
paranoid hydrocephalic with (Gilles de la) Tourette syndrome
can edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors#Key_bindings

>  Vi
> is insane.

Indeed.
http://www.rants.org/ed.html

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Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:

>iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of
>vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab
>abbreviations that vi does?
>

kate, the bundled text editor for KDE can use vi bindings.

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Re: are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations

[Fred]

On 02/21/11 18:32, Gary Kline wrote:

iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of
vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab
abbreviations that vi does?  I ask this because I don't know
wmany many people with speech imopairments or who cannot speak
at all would be interested in using my version of vi/vim with
it's .ex/.nex/.vimrc and my hundred+ abbreviations.

The IM app, pidgin is not an editor, but it does let user use
the mouse and/or arrow keys.  pidgin also uses abbrvs.  BEcause
i type so slowly, i have my pidgin set up to use a slew of
abbrev.  [Well, not the obv's, like 'FWIW' :-) ... but other
words.

I would be interested in knowing how many list members _don't_
know vi and use another editor.  just curious

gary




I have been using nedit for many years.  It is very easy to use.  It 
uses the mouse, arrow keys, etc. so you don't have to do multiple 
keystrokes.  Vi is insane.  I don't know what you mean about the 
abbreviations though.  I don't think it does that.  The current version 
in ports for 8.1-RELEASE has a problem requiring a simple patch when it 
is built. This was discussed here a couple weeks ago.


Best regards,
Fred

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are there any GUI editors that use vi/vim-like abbreviations

[Gary Kline]

iF we throw out "gvim" since it is simply the GUI variant of
vim, are there are other GUI editors that use the kinds of :ab
abbreviations that vi does?  I ask this because I don't know
wmany many people with speech imopairments or who cannot speak
at all would be interested in using my version of vi/vim with
it's .ex/.nex/.vimrc and my hundred+ abbreviations.  

The IM app, pidgin is not an editor, but it does let user use
the mouse and/or arrow keys.  pidgin also uses abbrvs.  BEcause
i type so slowly, i have my pidgin set up to use a slew of
abbrev.  [Well, not the obv's, like 'FWIW' :-) ... but other 
words.  

I would be interested in knowing how many list members _don't_
know vi and use another editor.  just curious

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[John]

On 23/09/2010 04:29, Jorge Biquez wrote:
> Hello all.
> 
> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell
> mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never
> tried any graphical interface.
> 
> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on
> what path to follow? KDE? any other?
> 
> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if
> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it
> as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Jorge Biquez

Locally, on the desktop I use windowmaker. It's fast, simple and very
customisable. Loads of little wm apps to help you along. Thousands of
themes, easily themeable. When I need a graphical environment remotely,
I tunnel a vnc connection through ssh and the desktop there is blackbox.
Simple colours, no eye candy. Reasonably responsive even through an ISDN
connection.
-- 
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Pierre-Luc Drouin]

I love Fluxbox too for its lightweightness and configurability. If you find
it too minimalistic, I think that XFCE can be a good compromise also since
it runs quite fast compared to KDE and Gnome while having most of their
functionalities. XFCE is also compatible with Compiz...

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:39 PM, C. P. Ghost  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Jorge Biquez 
> wrote:
> > I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on
> what
> > path to follow? KDE? any other?
>
> Using fluxbox here for ages (used olvwm, ctwm, and fvwm[2] before. It's low
> overhead, very low cpu/disk/memory footprint, very fast and reasonabley
> easy
> to configure and customize.
>
> IMHO, KDE & Gnome are too heavyweight, but that's really a matter of taste
> (and adequate hardware).
>
> > Jorge Biquez
>
> Regards,
> -cpghost.
>
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[C. P. Ghost]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Jorge Biquez  wrote:
> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what
> path to follow? KDE? any other?

Using fluxbox here for ages (used olvwm, ctwm, and fvwm[2] before. It's low
overhead, very low cpu/disk/memory footprint, very fast and reasonabley easy
to configure and customize.

IMHO, KDE & Gnome are too heavyweight, but that's really a matter of taste
(and adequate hardware).

> Jorge Biquez

Regards,
-cpghost.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chad Perrin  wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber  
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
> >> >>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
> >> >>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
> >> >>
> >> >> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
> >> >> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
> >> >>
> >> >>     "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
> >> >>     xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
> >> >>
> >>
> >> hahahahahahaha!
> >>
> >> >> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
> >> >>
> >>
> >> In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously.  The thread was
> >> generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested
> >> something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage)
> >> . . .  AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem.
> >>
> >> Do you need a rim-shot for every joke?
> >
> > 1. Who said I took insult?  You assume too much.
> >
> > 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway.  Where's the punchline?
> >
> > 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page.
> >
> > Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on
> > the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows.
> >
> 
> Some? sure.
> 
> In the end, scrotwm is a simple wm that allows the
> "gui-apprehensive-type" folk a nice CLI in X. That's all I was
> suggesting.
> 
> "Shave and a haircut" . . . Chad?

I don't think anyone was attacking you or your suggestion, Neal.  I like
what I see in scrotwm: copyfree license, lean approach,
keyboard-centricity, minimalism.  All good.  It just doesn't have
anything to pull me away from xmonad yet.  Hope they keep up the good
work.

Regards,

Chip

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
> >On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chip Camden  
> >wrote:
> >> Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
> >>
> >> I'm not too sure what you're asking "certain window should be moved by
> >> default to specific workspaces." Since you read the man page I'm
> >> guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus.
> >> Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open
> >> (alt-shift-return).
> >>
> >> Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help.
> >> ___
> >
> > Nope.  The wiki doesn't present anything either.
> >
> > What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to
> > workspace 3.  When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7.  I can easily
> > specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title.  I
> > don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time
> > I log in.
> >
> 
> Ah . . . I see. I'm not aware af that being a feature in scrotwm. The
> only thing I can suggest is to join the forum and ask. Like I said,
> scrotwm actively maintained and the devs will (likely) respond
> quickly. As far as what they say, suggestions are welcome, but they
> have to be persuaded.
> 
> Best of luck.
> 
> -Neal

Discussion on the scrotwm forum confirms that this capability does not
exist in scrotwm.  They logged a feature request on my behalf.  That's
reason enough for me to stick with xmonad, unless a compelling
counter-argument in favor of scrotwm emerges.  So far, I haven't seen
one.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Andrea Venturoli]

On 09/23/10 10:46, Matthias Apitz wrote:

El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:36:03AM +0100, Frank Shute 
escribió:


My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people
who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't
come from the commandline.


So, I am an exception.

 bye
av.
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Andrea Venturoli]

On 09/23/10 18:22, Adam Vande More wrote:

> If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 
4.3 was

> pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid
> than not.

I tried 4.5.1 on 8.1/i386 with every port updated, on a 4-core AMD CPU 
with a Radeon HD 4200:

_ base components continuosly crash;
_ there were severe rendering problems (i.e. black areas sometimes 
instead of icons, windows not updating when moved, ecc...);
_ I possibly had driver problems, with some accelerations not working 
(could not enable it in the system settings);

_ and everything was not just slow, but *SLOW*;
_ it messed so much with my hardware, that I could not switch back to 
KDE3 without a reboot (simply restarting the X server was not enough).


I do not hold by breath for burning windows, rotating desktops or other 
fancy effects, but the system was plainly unusable.


So, I appreciate the nice work, but I'll wait for some new version.
If some developer needs some info or wants me to do some test, I still 
have everything installed, so I'll gladly help.


 bye
av.
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Andrea Venturoli]

On 09/23/10 11:04, Mike Clarke wrote:


That's very similar to my experience too but I'm getting the feeling
that I might have to move over to KDE4 before much longer due to
reduced KDE3 support with some of the apps:


Same here.
I delayed trying KDE4 since my old box was too old; as soon as I got a 
new one, I tried it.


I too fear I'll have to move on sooner or later, the last bug being 
Kuickshow not working with EXA acceleration (which is the only one 
supported by my new GPU's driver).


However, after trying KDE4, I think I'll start looking into Gnome or 
XFCE or whatever, before taking a decision.


I really hope KDE4 will improve in the meanwhile, so maybe I can check 
it out again.


BTW, one thing I absolutely won't live with is the lack of keyboard 
shortcuts: in KDE3 I run plain Konsole with "Windows-K" and with 
"Windows-R" I start a root console.
This doesn't seem to be possible on KDE4, and no, a plasmoid on the 
desktop with a session menu is NOT the same thing.


 bye
av.
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chad Perrin  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber  wrote:
>> > On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>> >>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>> >>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
>> >>
>> >> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
>> >> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
>> >>
>> >>     "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
>> >>     xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
>> >>
>>
>> hahahahahahaha!
>>
>> >> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
>> >>
>>
>> In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously.  The thread was
>> generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested
>> something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage)
>> . . .  AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem.
>>
>> Do you need a rim-shot for every joke?
>
> 1. Who said I took insult?  You assume too much.
>
> 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway.  Where's the punchline?
>
> 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page.
>
> Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on
> the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows.
>

Some? sure.

In the end, scrotwm is a simple wm that allows the
"gui-apprehensive-type" folk a nice CLI in X. That's all I was
suggesting.

"Shave and a haircut" . . . Chad?
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chad Perrin]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber  wrote:
> > On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
> >>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
> >>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
> >>
> >> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
> >> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
> >>
> >>     "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
> >>     xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
> >>
> 
> hahahahahahaha!
> 
> >> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
> >>
> 
> In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously.  The thread was
> generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested
> something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage)
> . . .  AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem.
> 
> Do you need a rim-shot for every joke?

1. Who said I took insult?  You assume too much.

2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway.  Where's the punchline?

3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page.

Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on
the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Chip Camden
 wrote:
> Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>> >
>> > If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>> > lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>> > vim-like (among other things ;-).
>>
>> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
>> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
>>
>>     "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
>>     xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
>>
>> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
>>
>> --
>> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
>
>
> I wondered the same thing myself.  Haskell is compiled, and the result is
> very efficient.
>
> I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems
> to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly.
>

I only mention scrotwm's active development, not to compare it's
development to xmonad's, but to point out that your issues will be
taken seriously . . . in a timely manner. . . not that they won't be
take seriously in the xmonad setting.

Please, use xmonad if it meets your requirements.

I apologise for suggesting "something."

Chad P., take a pill ;-)
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber  wrote:
> On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>>>
>>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
>>
>> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
>> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
>>
>>     "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
>>     xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
>>

hahahahahahaha!

>> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
>>

In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously.  The thread was
generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested
something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage)
. . .  AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem.

Do you need a rim-shot for every joke?
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Glen Barber]

On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>>
>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
> 
> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
> 
> "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
> xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
> 
> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
> 

My interpretation is that if you will be compiling software for a
UNIX-like system, you will probably have some variant of a C compiler
already available.  Read as "just build it and go" versus "just build
its dependencies, then build it and go."

Cheers,

-- 
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> > 
> > If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
> > lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
> > vim-like (among other things ;-).
> 
> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
> 
> "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
> xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
> 
> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
> 
> -- 
> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]


I wondered the same thing myself.  Haskell is compiled, and the result is 
very efficient.

I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems
to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly.

But I'm willing to give it a look.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chad Perrin]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> 
> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
> vim-like (among other things ;-).

Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:

"On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."

What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?

-- 
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[ill...@gmail.com]

On 22 September 2010 23:29, Jorge Biquez  wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell
> mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never
> tried any graphical interface.
>
> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what
> path to follow? KDE? any other?
>
> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible
> that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop
> plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
>

x11/xorg
x11-wm/evilwm
www/opera
x11/rxvt

echo "evilwm -term rxvt -bw 2 &" > ~/.xinitrc && echo "rxvt" >> ~/.xinitrc

google docs seems to work okay for _most_ of the junk that gets shoved down
the tubes.
There is no port for it, but theoretically you can compile siag office
from sources.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[herbert langhans]

If you prefer terminal applications you may get happy with blackbox. Its
one of the smallest, but fully functional GUIs. And it is still kosher
according to Unix standards. Its my favorite, I even prefer it to
fluxbox, what is a little fancier.

Cheers
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chip Camden  
>wrote:
>> Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
>>
>> I'm not too sure what you're asking "certain window should be moved by
>> default to specific workspaces." Since you read the man page I'm
>> guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus.
>> Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open
>> (alt-shift-return).
>>
>> Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help.
>> ___
>
> Nope.  The wiki doesn't present anything either.
>
> What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to
> workspace 3.  When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7.  I can easily
> specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title.  I
> don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time
> I log in.
>

Ah . . . I see. I'm not aware af that being a feature in scrotwm. The
only thing I can suggest is to join the forum and ask. Like I said,
scrotwm actively maintained and the devs will (likely) respond
quickly. As far as what they say, suggestions are welcome, but they
have to be persuaded.

Best of luck.

-Neal
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden
>  wrote:
> > Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
> >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010:
> >> >> Hello all.
> >> >>
> >> >> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under
> >> >> terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved
> >> >> that way I have never tried any graphical interface.
> >> >>
> >> >> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience
> >> >> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?
> >> >>
> >> >> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if
> >> >> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use
> >> >> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks in advance
> >> >>
> >> >> Jorge Biquez
> >> >>
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> >> >
> >> > After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad.  It's minimalist
> >> > -- meaning it stays out of your way.  It's also highly configurable, in
> >> > Haskell.  It's lightweight and fast.  It's a developer's WM.
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
> >> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
> >> vim-like (among other things ;-).
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> > scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but
> > couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by
> > default to specific workspaces.  Can that be done?
> >
> 
> I'm not too sure what you're asking "certain window should be moved by
> default to specific workspaces." Since you read the man page I'm
> guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus.
> Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open
> (alt-shift-return).
> 
> Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help.
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Nope.  The wiki doesn't present anything either.

What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to
workspace 3.  When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7.  I can easily
specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title.  I
don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time
I log in.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden
 wrote:
> Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden
>>  wrote:
>> > Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010:
>> >> Hello all.
>> >>
>> >> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under
>> >> terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved
>> >> that way I have never tried any graphical interface.
>> >>
>> >> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience
>> >> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?
>> >>
>> >> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if
>> >> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use
>> >> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance
>> >>
>> >> Jorge Biquez
>> >>
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>> >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
>> >
>> > After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad.  It's minimalist
>> > -- meaning it stays out of your way.  It's also highly configurable, in
>> > Haskell.  It's lightweight and fast.  It's a developer's WM.
>> >
>>
>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
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>
> scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but
> couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by
> default to specific workspaces.  Can that be done?
>

I'm not too sure what you're asking "certain window should be moved by
default to specific workspaces." Since you read the man page I'm
guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus.
Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open
(alt-shift-return).

Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help.
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden
>  wrote:
> > Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010:
> >> Hello all.
> >>
> >> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under
> >> terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved
> >> that way I have never tried any graphical interface.
> >>
> >> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience
> >> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?
> >>
> >> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if
> >> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use
> >> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >>
> >> Jorge Biquez
> >>
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> >
> > After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad.  It's minimalist
> > -- meaning it stays out of your way.  It's also highly configurable, in
> > Haskell.  It's lightweight and fast.  It's a developer's WM.
> >
> 
> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
> vim-like (among other things ;-).
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scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but
couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by
default to specific workspaces.  Can that be done?

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden
 wrote:
> Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010:
>> Hello all.
>>
>> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under
>> terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved
>> that way I have never tried any graphical interface.
>>
>> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience
>> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?
>>
>> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if
>> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use
>> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Jorge Biquez
>>
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>
> After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad.  It's minimalist
> -- meaning it stays out of your way.  It's also highly configurable, in
> Haskell.  It's lightweight and fast.  It's a developer's WM.
>

If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
vim-like (among other things ;-).
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Mike Clarke]

On Thursday 23 September 2010, Adam Vande More wrote:

> If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot.
>  4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been
> far more solid than not.  All the base KDE apps seem to work
> appropriately, at least the ones I use.  However in my use while KDE4
> was unstable early, it was always faster than 3 at least when an app
> wasn't hung ;).  Also for me, I went back and forth between 3 and 4
> several times before finally sticking with 4.  The UI does take some
> getting used too.

I think the version I tried was 4.3.1 so it looks like it might be worth 
giving 4.4 a try on my spare partition.

My other problem with upgrading KDE is that I'd like to run both 
versions for a while until I'm happy, dual booting into one of 2 
different FreeBSD systems but using the same /home partition. KMail 
seems to use different directories for storing mail for versions 3 and 
4 so how do I go about being able to access all my mail from both 
systems?

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Adam Vande More]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Mike Clarke wrote:

> When I first tried KDE4 it was much slower than KDE3, have things
> improved sufficiently since then for me to think about upgrading?
>

If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot.  4.3 was
pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid
than not.  All the base KDE apps seem to work appropriately, at least the
ones I use.  However in my use while KDE4 was unstable early, it was always
faster than 3 at least when an app wasn't hung ;).  Also for me, I went back
and forth between 3 and 4 several times before finally sticking with 4.  The
UI does take some getting used too.

Perhaps another part of the stability question is I don't turn on any of the
fancy eye-candy effects.  I don't use KDE because of the way it looks, I use
it because it allows me to work in a efficient manner.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:57:46PM -0600, Warren Block wrote:
> 
> You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window 
> managers, and advocates for each.  There's an overview here on fd.o:
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops.  Many of those are in ports.

That's a much shorter list than I would have expected to find.

This offers an incomplete (but longer) list of window managers, all of
which are copyfree licensed:

http://copyfree.org/software/#WM

What I have been using for a few years is actually first in alphabetical
order there -- AHWM.  It is quite minimal and fast, with great keyboard
shortcut support (a necessity, given that it's intended to be primarily
keyboard driven).

A much more comprehensive list of window managers is the Comprehensive
List of Window Managers for Unix:

http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html

KDE, GNOME, and XFCE are more than window managers -- they are "desktop
environments".  Some people like that kind of bloat . . . err, I mean
"that kind of feature-richness".  Other examples include GNUstep (which
uses WindowMaker as its default window manager) and Enlightenment.  If I
*had* to choose a complete DE, rather than just a window manager, I'd
probably go with Enlightenment.  Since I don't have to, though, I stick
with something *truly* lightweight like AHWM.

Your mileage may vary, of course.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010:
> Hello all.
> 
> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under 
> terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved 
> that way I have never tried any graphical interface.
> 
> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience 
> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?
> 
> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if 
> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use 
> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Jorge Biquez
> 
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After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad.  It's minimalist
-- meaning it stays out of your way.  It's also highly configurable, in
Haskell.  It's lightweight and fast.  It's a developer's WM.

I haven't been at all attracted to the various desktop managers: KDE,
GNOME, etc.  What do you get for all that weight?

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:29:38 -0500, Jorge Biquez  
wrote:
> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience 
> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?

For many years now, I am happily using WindowMaker as my main
desktop. It can be configured easily and does STAY OUT OF YOUR
WAY, means it SUPPORTS you with the actions you intendedly want
to take, so you can do whatever you want instead of messing
with the window manager. It's also very lightweight.

I've also tried tiling window managers, but their magic sadly
didn't open up to me.

Another lightweight, allthough "obsolete" (but still powerful)
GUI is XFCE. When I write XFCE, I mean XFCE version 3. If I
would mean Xfce 4, I would write Xfce. :-)

A highly customizable and "still" quite professional environment
is fvwm2. You can add as much stuff as you like, but you can also
switch off all annoying things.




> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if 
> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use 
> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)

I still have a 300 MHz P2 with XFCE 3 that does *ALL* you just
mentioned, and it does it fine.

Keep in mind that your choice of window manager (or even full
desktop environment) may depend on which applications you're using.
For example, if you find KDE's applications best, you will
probably want to use them with KDE, allthough you could also use
them with Gnome, or even with WindowMaker (as I sometimes do for
the two KDE programs I occassionally have to use). On the other
hand, if the Gnome set of applications fits your needs better,
go with Gnome.

Internationalisation and language support can also be a thing to
consider. In the past, I was often disappointed with KDE's sloppy
and missing translations; as a German, I tried the german variant,
but found that it is not very well supported - that was in KDE 3,
maybe KDE 4 is better. Gnome in fact *had* a much better german
language support. Finally, I switched all back to english (except
OpenOffice) because the NATIVE language of the system and the
applications is better than anything else.



Finally, choosing a GUI may really be a "trial & error" path.
And if your need change, your choice may change, too.



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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Jud]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:57 -0600, "Warren Block" 
wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Jorge Biquez wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what 
> > path to follow? KDE? any other?
> 
> The Handbook covers setting up the three major desktop environments in
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html.
> 
> You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window 
> managers, and advocates for each.  There's an overview here on fd.o:
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops.  Many of those are in ports.
> 
> > I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible 
> > that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my 
> > desktop 
> > plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
> 
> Personally, I currently use xfce as "lighter" than the other members of 
> the big three, while still offering the features I want.  But it really 
> is very subjective.  For various purposes, I've used GNOME, KDE, icewm, 
> fluxbox, blackbox, and others.  Ports make these all pretty easy to 
> install.

+1 for xfce as not requiring quite so much stuff to be installed as
GNOME and KDE, but still having what I need.  I also like the xfce
Terminal.  (Have used GNOME, seems fine to me; haven't tried KDE.)  If
you want to go really lightweight, fluxbox and blackbox, which I've used
and liked, have already been mentioned.

I haven't had any problem running GNOME on not-the-latest hardware
(Athlon XP CPU, Nvidia 7600 AGP GPU), so if yours is equivalent or
newer, I don't know that performance will be a concern for any of the
desktops.  At that point it's just what feels most natural - what makes
your most frequently-used apps and utilities quickly available to you,
what interface seems easiest to work with, etc.

Jud
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Mike Clarke]

On Thursday 23 September 2010, Andrea Venturoli wrote:

> After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day.
> I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs
> and missing features...
>
> Of course, YMMV.

That's very similar to my experience too but I'm getting the feeling 
that I might have to move over to KDE4 before much longer due to 
reduced KDE3 support with some of the apps:

1) There's a problem with gnupg > 2.0.9 and Kgpg with KDE 3.5 which 
prevents kgpg parsing the keyring . 
Apparently the code is totally different from what is in KDE4 and is
scattered over several places so fixing this for KDE3 will 
(understandably) not be done. I've stuck with gnupg-2.0.9_3 which is 
still working OK but the recent removal of libassuan-1 causes a problem 
if I ever need to rebuild gnupg-2.0.9_3

2) kaffeine-1.0_1 now depends on some KDE4 libraries, I suspect other 
apps will follow in due course with the result that I'll start to see 
more bloat and potential conflicts.

When I first tried KDE4 it was much slower than KDE3, have things 
improved sufficiently since then for me to think about upgrading?

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:36:03AM +0100, Frank Shute 
escribió:

> My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people
> who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't
> come from the commandline.

Totally wrong for me. I come from a UNIX like System which was driven in
batch jos in /370 main frame by 80 column puch cards and later UNIX7 in just 
ASCII cmd
terminals. See:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.wizards/msg/98fc9de7c77bff59

Ofc, today I do most of my work in XTerm, like using now mutt (as you
do) and vim to write this mail.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Frank Shute]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:29:38PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote:
>
> Hello all.
> 
> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under 
> terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved 
> that way I have never tried any graphical interface.
> 
> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience 
> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?
> 
> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if 
> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use 
> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Jorge Biquez
> 

I remember years ago that I first started using Linux in just the
console and did so for about 6 months before I set up X. It was such a
pleasure to get away from a GUI and to a CLI :)

When I did set up X, I used fvwm as my WM for many years, then
Blackbox and now Fluxbox.

I like the *boxes and fvwm as they have simple text based
configuration files and are easy to customise to one's own needs.

I still just have a couple of xterms running under fluxbox and tend to
launch a lot of programs from them.

You might find a simple setup, as I've described above, comfortable
for your needs rather than a full-blown desktop environment such as
Gnome or KDE.

My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people
who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't
come from the commandline.


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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:38:03AM +0200, Andrea Venturoli 
escribió:

> On 09/23/10 06:53, Adam Vande More wrote:
> 
> > As stated before, it's really a personal matter.  I like kde4 a lot,
> > ...
> > It's also
> > lighter and faster than KDE3.  It's pretty stable too, but not completely
> > so.
> 
> Strange.
> After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day.
> I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and 
> missing features...

I'm using KDE 3.5.10 which very solid and stable. In May 2009 I tried
KDE4, in a test machine and found it unstable and not so intiutive as
KDE3. So I droped the idea to move to KDE4.

Just my 0.02 pesos cubanos

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Andrea Venturoli]

On 09/23/10 06:53, Adam Vande More wrote:


As stated before, it's really a personal matter.  I like kde4 a lot,
...
It's also
lighter and faster than KDE3.  It's pretty stable too, but not completely
so.


Strange.
After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day.
I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and 
missing features...


Of course, YMMV.

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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Adam Vande More]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell
> mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never
> tried any graphical interface.
>
> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what
> path to follow? KDE? any other?
>
> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible
> that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop
> plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
>

As stated before, it's really a personal matter.  I like kde4 a lot,
especially konsole and konqueror.  konsole seems to have a great blend of
features(monitor for activity, etc.) and integration with other KDE apps as
a snap-in.  Basically things like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCL_6YNgc8w make it a breeze to keep separate
groups for each item your working on.  Konqueror runs firefox plugins, and
supports the fish protocol which I occasionally find useful.  It's also
lighter and faster than KDE3.  It's pretty stable too, but not completely
so.  Once in awhile a KDE4 will get hung like krdc and I'll have to restart
rather than track down the issue.  I guess I reboot my desktop on average
once a month due to things like that so it's acceptable for me.

You can use the handbook method of installing KDE4(which is much, much
faster) or my method of installing:

http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-po...@freebsd.org/msg25856.html

Looking at my old post again, I notice I didn't include kde4 in the build.
That would be this:

portmaster --no-confirm -d /usr/ports/x11/kde4  #you make wish to add
--no-confirm to the other portmaster commands as it's behaviour has changed.

So it's not too hard to get it on your system.

-- 
Adam Vande More
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