Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Leandro F Silva fsilvalean...@gmail.comwrote: Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 I voted and added a coment: * Maybe it requires licensing fees, like Java, but most of us use it like a player (Youtube) or games (Kongregate), among other. I don't want to switch to other operating system in order to view the Flash content.* Good luck! (Boa Sorte!) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Yep, I am in. I signed here: http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 and also there: http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html Its the last thing I need to have a full native FreeBSD environment. Maybe you should dig out this thread after some weeks again, Leandro. I guess we can gather some more signatures from recent subscribers. Cheers herb langhans On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 09:25:53PM -0300, Leandro F Silva wrote: Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Message: 29 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:45:18 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20091004054518.gd37...@guilt.hydra Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 08:01:07AM -0700, James Phillips wrote: I have this fantasy that if I design and build a better streaming video format, They (broadcasters) will use it, if properly marketed. It may be a fantasy, but as fantasies go, it's not a bad one. This would be despite the lack of strong DRM or license terms (GPL v3 is OK, right?). No, it isn't okay, really. That's ok: I've thought of an out for the licensing issue: I can write up an RFC. That way the BSD people can boast about their reference implementation, while the GNU zealots can be assured that their pure implementation won't be leveraged against them. 4. Publishers are authenticated with a Public-key infrastructure That caught my attention. I don't think we necessarily need a mainstream style implementation of PKI, though. I'd say either go with simple public key digital signatures in the style of OpenPGP or take cues from the Perspectives plugin for Firefox and do distributed web of trust style verification. Certifying Authorities are basically just a social engineering trick; now, instead of trusting one party, you have to trust two. I think I fell into the trap of using buzzwords. I *know* Certifying Authorities are an interm scam needed until the general population understands how public keys work. I think PGP style (but binary) signatures on every ~32kB packet solves the problem of authentication in the event of of missing packets. I was envisioning that the CNN's and BBC's of the world would have a series of public keys (one for each bureau), while Joe down the street would have 1 or 2 (one public, one for darknets). 2. For interoperability, I need to stabilize key points of the spec before publication. Currently struggling with date stamps (taking into account leap seconds) (mostly resolved), and a transform to allow the publisher to be authenticated even if some data is missing. There are copyfree licensed implementations of date management that take leap seconds into account out there already. Is there some reason you can't borrow liberally from them? Probably because I don't know about them :) Actually, I was planning to borrow from Unix Time, increasing the resolution, and making the number signed (for old recordings). But, Unix time doesn't do leap seconds, so they have to be added back in. Just recently, (reading cal(1)) I realized another problem: not everyone uses the Gregorian Calendar. Now I have to decide how to take that into account sufficiently. 4. A dual-license may quickly result in a fork that implements features I really don't want to see. (Read: anything deliberately incompatible.) That's just another reason to go with a copyfree license instead of the GPL. A copyfree license wouldn't have a stick preventing the implementation of an effective technological measure as described in Article 11 the 1996 WIPO treaty (GPL v3 does). If the (hypothetical) RFC explicitly says that copy-protection won't work (in the security considerations section), MAYBE a judge will decide any incompatible implementation is also ineffective at copy protection. Regards, James Phillips __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:33 -0700, anti_spam256@ wrote:
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:45:18 -0600
From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com
Subject: Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
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On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 08:01:07AM -0700, James Phillips
wrote:
I have this fantasy that if I design and build a
better streaming video
format, They (broadcasters) will use it, if properly
marketed.
It may be a fantasy, but as fantasies go, it's not a bad
one.
This would be despite the lack of strong DRM or
license terms (GPL v3
is OK, right?).
No, it isn't okay, really.
That's ok: I've thought of an out for the licensing issue:
I can write up an RFC. That way the BSD people can boast about their reference
implementation, while the GNU zealots can be assured that their pure
implementation won't be leveraged against them.
4. Publishers are authenticated with a
Public-key infrastructure
That caught my attention. I don't think we
necessarily need a mainstream
style implementation of PKI, though. I'd say either
go with simple
public key digital signatures in the style of OpenPGP or
take cues from
the Perspectives plugin for Firefox and do distributed web
of trust
style verification. Certifying Authorities are
basically just a social
engineering trick; now, instead of trusting one party, you
have to trust
two.
I think I fell into the trap of using buzzwords. I *know* Certifying
Authorities are an interm scam needed until the general population understands
how public keys work.
I think PGP style (but binary) signatures on every ~32kB packet solves the
problem of authentication in the event of of missing packets.
I was envisioning that the CNN's and BBC's of the world would have a series of
public keys (one for each bureau), while Joe down the street would have 1 or 2
(one public, one for darknets).
2. For interoperability, I need to stabilize key
points of the spec
before publication. Currently struggling with date
stamps (taking into
account leap seconds) (mostly resolved), and a
transform to allow the
publisher to be authenticated even if some data is
missing.
There are copyfree licensed implementations of date
management that take
leap seconds into account out there already. Is there
some reason you
can't borrow liberally from them?
Probably because I don't know about them :)
Actually, I was planning to borrow from Unix Time, increasing the resolution,
and making the number signed (for old recordings).
But, Unix time doesn't do leap seconds, so they have to be added back in.
Just recently, (reading cal(1)) I realized another problem: not everyone uses
the Gregorian Calendar. Now I have to decide how to take that into account
sufficiently.
4. A dual-license may quickly result in a fork that
implements
features I really don't want to see. (Read: anything
deliberately
incompatible.)
That's just another reason to go with a copyfree license
instead of the
GPL.
A copyfree license wouldn't have a stick preventing the implementation of an
effective technological measure as described in Article 11 the 1996 WIPO treaty (GPL v3
does).
If the (hypothetical) RFC explicitly says that copy-protection won't work (in the security
considerations section), MAYBE a judge will decide any incompatible implementation is also
ineffective at copy protection.
Regards,
James Phillips
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So how many different subjects are in here that don't thread ?
With all due respect: wheres Waldo ?
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Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
-- Leandro F Silva wrote : Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 ___ freebsd-questi...@free... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@free... -- This message was sent on behalf of yble...@gmail.com at openSubscriber.com http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/12886636.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Leandro F Silva fsilvalean...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. The latest Linuxulator works quite well on -current with the Linux flash binary + pluginwrapper port, doesn't it? Works for me, at least. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 There's no way I'm going to create an account at Adobe and give them my personal data. No thanks. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd And believe me, as a C++ programmer, I don't hesitate to question the decisions of language designers. After a decent amount of C++ exposure, Python's flaws seem ridiculously small. -- Ville Vainio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
--- On Sun, 10/4/09, jhell jh...@dataix.net wrote: From: jhell jh...@dataix.net Subject: Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player To: James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 1:07 PM On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:33 -0700, anti_spam256@ wrote: Vague specific stuff about an ill-defined video standard So how many different subjects are in here that don't thread ? With all due respect: wheres Waldo ? Most on-topic is probably the licensing issue: I like the GPLv3, but many BSD users don't like it for the same reasons. I don't want to publish comprehensive details about my (video format) idea until I have the format defined in a forward-compatible way. AS I am fantasy land, I think that people will try implementing incompatible versions as soon as it's published. The risk is that may happen anyway if my format is not good enough. I haven't even done testing to find out how well compression is performed. Second-Worst case (mono white noise), I estimate that loss-less compression will only be able to compress frame changes to ~25% of the original frame size. Lossy compression will be a simple averaging of nearby pixels for (multiples of) ~4:1 compression. Mpeg is supposed to get up to 300:1. TL;DR: If you have to ask what the point is, it is probably off-topic and I can shut-up now. Regards, James Phillips __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 10:01:14PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: Leandro F Silva fsilvalean...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. The latest Linuxulator works quite well on -current with the Linux flash binary + pluginwrapper port, doesn't it? Works for me, at least. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 There's no way I'm going to create an account at Adobe and give them my personal data. No thanks. Best regards Oliver sorry if this is just a ``me too'', but i cannot wait for flashit to die [an overdue death] gary ps i'll sign up wherever i can! -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd And believe me, as a C++ programmer, I don't hesitate to question the decisions of language designers. After a decent amount of C++ exposure, Python's flaws seem ridiculously small. -- Ville Vainio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Lucian @ lastdot.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 08:15:07PM -0500, J Sisson wrote: And if enough people petition Microsoft, we can get them to release Windows 7 source under the GPL. Reality called...your request to ignore it was denied. Actually, we *could*. The problem is the definition of enough. I'm sure that if you got 100% of the Windows users in the world to do so, Microsoft top brass would be hard-pressed to avoid acquiescing. Meanwhile, I'm sure that if you got 1% to do so, it would raise some eyebrows at Microsoft, but utterly fail to get MS executives to put a moment's thought into making that kind of licensing change, except perhaps to laugh at it. The problem is figuring out the exact threshold, somewhere between 1% and 100%. In other words, to quote an old off-color joke: We've already established you're a prostitute, my dear. Now we're just haggling over the price. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Better pray for Theora's mass adoption on streaming sites :-) Google apparently favours HTML-5 as their future direction, rather than Flash. And where YouTube goes, the rest of the world will surely follow, at least as far as Video streaming is concerned. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Rolf G Nielsen writes: Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. Where do I vote to have them continue forever not creating a FreeBSD version of that crap? Is your objection to Flash in particular, or to any product in that specific niche? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:28:29 +0100 From: Lucian @ lastdot.org luc...@lastdot.org Subject: Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 5a3c8f45091008k3c196b6ay1acc3031716d6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 SNIP! Better pray for Theora's mass adoption on streaming sites :-) I have this fantasy that if I design and build a better streaming video format, They (broadcasters) will use it, if properly marketed. This would be despite the lack of strong DRM or license terms (GPL v3 is OK, right?). The idea is I build a public version, then sell a custom corporate version that is buzz-word certified with whatever standards they want (except strong DRM; incompatible with the license) for ~$30,000 a seat, or some volume [del]license[del] purchasing agreement. I got the idea when I realized that the current formats used by broadcasters suck. Most are based on MPEG that had some processing constraints no longer present (to the same extent) on modern computers. General idea: 1. Do away with the outdated concept of live. There is always a delay. Make the delay predictable and visible to the user by sychronizing clocks with NTP. A live broadcast would have a calibrated delay ranging from seconds to minutes. pre-recorded would be minutes to centuries. 2. Modify Bittorrent protocol for Steaming media. There is already (incompatible) work in this area. 3a. Separate Lossy Compression from Lossless Compression. This will result in a variable bit-rate stream. I came up with a (fast) transform so that the lossless compression stores only the changes between (key) frames. 3b. Optional Variable frame-rate stream: new frame only needed after a certain percentage of the scene changes. 4. Publishers are authenticated with a Public-key infrastructure 5. For UDP or Broadcast, a format variant tolerates data loss with graceful degradation. Main stumbling blocks: 1. trying to do too much at once: file format and protocol rolled into one. 2. For interoperability, I need to stabilize key points of the spec before publication. Currently struggling with date stamps (taking into account leap seconds) (mostly resolved), and a transform to allow the publisher to be authenticated even if some data is missing. 3. Because my idea is variable data-rate, I can't predict what real-world compression will be. need to do testing. As compression may be affected my MPEG artifacts, need to test with my own raw video. (Loss-less conversion from MPEG would be possible.) 4. A dual-license may quickly result in a fork that implements features I really don't want to see. (Read: anything deliberately incompatible.) 5. I seem to be pre-occupied with the video compression, ignoring sound. Regards, James Phillips PS: was this too off-topic? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 08:50:16AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: Google apparently favours HTML-5 as their future direction, rather than Flash. And where YouTube goes, the rest of the world will surely follow, at least as far as Video streaming is concerned. Oh, thank goodness. Flash video is a blight. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpBNxEshjIUY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 07:56:53AM +0200, Rolf G Nielsen wrote: Where do I vote to have them continue forever not creating a FreeBSD version of that crap? If you s/Free/Open/ I think the question answers itself. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpCpCB4AscQP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 09:04:00AM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: Rolf G Nielsen writes: Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. Where do I vote to have them continue forever not creating a FreeBSD version of that crap? Is your objection to Flash in particular, or to any product in that specific niche? I don't know about the other guy, but I find the Adobe Flash Player plugin pretty odious. Unfortunately, I also find Swfdec and Gnash pretty substandard as well. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpZ6CYfFTlfq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 08:01:07AM -0700, James Phillips wrote: I have this fantasy that if I design and build a better streaming video format, They (broadcasters) will use it, if properly marketed. It may be a fantasy, but as fantasies go, it's not a bad one. This would be despite the lack of strong DRM or license terms (GPL v3 is OK, right?). No, it isn't okay, really. 4. Publishers are authenticated with a Public-key infrastructure That caught my attention. I don't think we necessarily need a mainstream style implementation of PKI, though. I'd say either go with simple public key digital signatures in the style of OpenPGP or take cues from the Perspectives plugin for Firefox and do distributed web of trust style verification. Certifying Authorities are basically just a social engineering trick; now, instead of trusting one party, you have to trust two. 2. For interoperability, I need to stabilize key points of the spec before publication. Currently struggling with date stamps (taking into account leap seconds) (mostly resolved), and a transform to allow the publisher to be authenticated even if some data is missing. There are copyfree licensed implementations of date management that take leap seconds into account out there already. Is there some reason you can't borrow liberally from them? 4. A dual-license may quickly result in a fork that implements features I really don't want to see. (Read: anything deliberately incompatible.) That's just another reason to go with a copyfree license instead of the GPL. 5. I seem to be pre-occupied with the video compression, ignoring sound. PS: was this too off-topic? Maybe? I don't know. It's an interesting topic. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpkPa6DcPRUI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Good luck the community has tried for years to get it and adobe seems to not care Leandro F Silva wrote: Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.comwrote: Good luck the community has tried for years to get it and adobe seems to not care Leandro F Silva wrote: Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 And if enough people petition Microsoft, we can get them to release Windows 7 source under the GPL. Reality called...your request to ignore it was denied. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 08:15:07PM -0500, J Sisson wrote: And if enough people petition Microsoft, we can get them to release Windows 7 source under the GPL. Reality called...your request to ignore it was denied. Actually, we *could*. The problem is the definition of enough. I'm sure that if you got 100% of the Windows users in the world to do so, Microsoft top brass would be hard-pressed to avoid acquiescing. Meanwhile, I'm sure that if you got 1% to do so, it would raise some eyebrows at Microsoft, but utterly fail to get MS executives to put a moment's thought into making that kind of licensing change, except perhaps to laugh at it. The problem is figuring out the exact threshold, somewhere between 1% and 100%. In other words, to quote an old off-color joke: We've already established you're a prostitute, my dear. Now we're just haggling over the price. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp4pS3L5mEZz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 08:15:07PM -0500, J Sisson wrote: And if enough people petition Microsoft, we can get them to release Windows 7 source under the GPL. Reality called...your request to ignore it was denied. Actually, we *could*. The problem is the definition of enough. I'm sure that if you got 100% of the Windows users in the world to do so, Microsoft top brass would be hard-pressed to avoid acquiescing. Meanwhile, I'm sure that if you got 1% to do so, it would raise some eyebrows at Microsoft, but utterly fail to get MS executives to put a moment's thought into making that kind of licensing change, except perhaps to laugh at it. The problem is figuring out the exact threshold, somewhere between 1% and 100%. In other words, to quote an old off-color joke: We've already established you're a prostitute, my dear. Now we're just haggling over the price. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Better pray for Theora's mass adoption on streaming sites :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Voting for a native i386/amd64 flash player
Leandro F Silva wrote: Hey guys, Let's vote to have a native i386 / amd64 flash player \o/ .. We just have to create an account and voting on the link below =D http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1060 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Where do I vote to have them continue forever not creating a FreeBSD version of that crap? -- Rolf Nielsen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Da Rock, of course. But I have no idea where to leave the howto. Where do such articles go for FreeBSD? I just found the official doku on the freebsd.org page, also some articles there. Though I can make a website on my server for it, but it seems to be a kind of overkill, for just such installing sequence.. Any hints? herbs Flashplayer on FreeBSD and Firefox Good to know. I was going to have a crack at it again once I got the chance... Can you whip up a how-to for a newbie so we can direct them to there in the future? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
herbert langhans writes: Da Rock, of course. But I have no idea where to leave the howto. Where do such articles go for FreeBSD? I just found the official doku on the freebsd.org page, also some articles there. Though I can make a website on my server for it, but it seems to be a kind of overkill, for just such installing sequence.. If you have things working for Flash 9, enough people /will/ be interested this is not overkill. My suggestion: 1) create a web page; present the steps (with commentary is appropriate) in an easily readable format; _date the page_. 2) post the URL to questions@, ports@, and possibly www@ and multimedia@ in separate posts. Make the subject line something relevant - this is not about Adobe Flash Player Petition. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Where do such articles go for FreeBSD? ... I can make a website on my server for it, but it seems to be a kind of overkill, for just such installing sequence.. If you have things working for Flash 9, enough people /will/ be interested this is not overkill. My suggestion: 1) create a web page; present the steps (with commentary is appropriate) in an easily readable format; _date the page_. 2) post the URL to questions@, ports@, and possibly www@ and multimedia@ in separate posts. Make the subject line something relevant - this is not about Adobe Flash Player Petition. and/or send a PR, including the content (not just the URL), to have it added to the Handbook or the FAQ. That way, even if the website goes away before a doc committer gets to it, it's archived in the PR database. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adobe Flash Player Petition
Hi List, I just wrote an email to Justin Everett-Church. He is the product manager for the Adobe Flash Player, this is his blog: http://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/aboutjustin/ His email: blog at justin.mailshell.com Another product manager is Emmy Huang, but I couldnt find her email address. We can try to make Adobe release a Flash Player plugin for FreeBSD. It is merely a matter for them to compile it and put it on their website for download. PLEASE CONTACT ADOBE. TELL THEM TO RELEASE A FLASH PLUGIN FOR FREEBSD. There are more and more websites you cannot even enter without a running Flash Player. If many of the BSD community ask for it, they probably will release a BSD Version.. Thanks herbert langhans ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
herbert langhans wrote: I just wrote an email to Justin Everett-Church. He is the product manager for the Adobe Flash Player, this is his blog: http://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/aboutjustin/ His email: blog at justin.mailshell.com Another product manager is Emmy Huang, but I couldnt find her email address. We can try to make Adobe release a Flash Player plugin for FreeBSD. It is merely a matter for them to compile it and put it on their website for download. PLEASE CONTACT ADOBE. TELL THEM TO RELEASE A FLASH PLUGIN FOR FREEBSD. There are more and more websites you cannot even enter without a running Flash Player. If many of the BSD community ask for it, they probably will release a BSD Version.. If you need flash try using www/swfdec-plugin port. Just leave this guys alone, we are yelling long enough for them to hear. They just don't want to do anything. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Hi Volodymyr, I already use swfdec, but the curent port gets old too and doesnt seem to play recent Flash pages. I dont care about the animations, but it is frustrating not being able to enter some websites.. Cheers herbs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
PLEASE CONTACT ADOBE. TELL THEM TO RELEASE A FLASH PLUGIN FOR FREEBSD. There are more and more websites you cannot even enter without a running Flash Player. so don't watch them. their author definitely are not interested in providing real information, as it can't go without flash. while there is a lot of pages that are unreadable without flash, non of them contain useful informations. If many of the BSD community ask for it, they probably will release a BSD Version.. they should do it alone, not be asked for it. they know that FreeBSD exist, and they know that it's just matter of recompiling. But they don't release FreeBSD version. so they don't willingly. They are not idiots, and they already calculated well if providing FreeBSD version will be good for them of not. don't be anyone's slave and simply don't use this crap at all. whatever you use freebsd or not ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Hi Volodymyr, I already use swfdec, but the curent port gets old too and doesnt seem to play recent Flash pages. I dont care about the animations, but it is frustrating not being able to enter some websites.. so write a mail to website owners that you are unable to read it. point them to http://www.anybrowser.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 10:15 +0200, herbert langhans wrote: Hi Volodymyr, I already use swfdec, but the curent port gets old too and doesnt seem to play recent Flash pages. I dont care about the animations, but it is frustrating not being able to enter some websites.. I'd say talking to the web designers and drawing away Adobe's business might be a better angle at this point. They won't listen to most OSS... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE CONTACT ADOBE. TELL THEM TO RELEASE A FLASH PLUGIN FOR FREEBSD. There are more and more websites you cannot even enter without a running Flash Player. so don't watch them. their author definitely are not interested in providing real information, as it can't go without flash. while there is a lot of pages that are unreadable without flash, non of them contain useful informations. I find that assumption grossly inaccurate. I have experienced difficulties numerous times trying to access financial institutions without a working flash plug-in. I just had another bad experience with a linksys site using Opera: http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_CASupport_C1childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1175238286492pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=8649286492H30displaypage=download The lack of an easy to install and maintain flash program is one of the main reasons I maintain a WinXP machine. Not the only reason perhaps, but nevertheless an important one. If many of the BSD community ask for it, they probably will release a BSD Version.. they should do it alone, not be asked for it. they know that FreeBSD exist, and they know that it's just matter of recompiling. But they don't release FreeBSD version. so they don't willingly. They are not idiots, and they already calculated well if providing FreeBSD version will be good for them of not. don't be anyone's slave and simply don't use this crap at all. whatever you use freebsd or not -- Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] God help those who do not help themselves. Wilson Mizner signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
I find that assumption grossly inaccurate. I have experienced difficulties numerous times trying to access financial institutions without a working flash plug-in. I just had another bad experience with a linksys site using Opera: http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_CASupport_C1childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1175238286492pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=8649286492H30displaypage=download The lack of an easy to install and maintain flash program is one of the main reasons I maintain a WinXP machine. Not the only reason perhaps, but nevertheless an important one. I've installed Firefox under Wine for those occations :-) It works fine, a little slow though. /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
In my computer running FreeBSD 7.0 64bits with gnome 2.22 the linksys site works ok... indeed I can see more than 90% of the flash (that is still 7) using nspluginwrapper. and for those that not work, the wine+firefox solution is used... it all works including youtube, bbc, fox, aol, uol... and also openoffice-3.0 too all in 64 bits and it is very fast. I also use the 7.0 in several notebooks here at the company, and everything works... Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
May be graphics/gnash can help ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 10:15 +0200, herbert langhans wrote: Hi Volodymyr, I already use swfdec, but the curent port gets old too and doesnt seem to play recent Flash pages. I dont care about the animations, but it is frustrating not being able to enter some websites.. I'd say talking to the web designers and drawing away Adobe's business might be a better angle at this point. They won't listen to most OSS... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's going to be interesting when microsoft's silverlight comes out, it is supposed to be superior to flash, if it becomes popular even the linux community will have problems because I really doubt that they will release a plugin for other OSes other than Mac OS any way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Note that there isn't even a x64 version of the flash player for Linux. I think it also took quite a while before they released the Windows 64-bit version. Can't hurt to try though. -Patrick On 09/04/2008, E. J. Cerejo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 10:15 +0200, herbert langhans wrote: Hi Volodymyr, I already use swfdec, but the curent port gets old too and doesnt seem to play recent Flash pages. I dont care about the animations, but it is frustrating not being able to enter some websites.. I'd say talking to the web designers and drawing away Adobe's business might be a better angle at this point. They won't listen to most OSS... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's going to be interesting when microsoft's silverlight comes out, it is supposed to be superior to flash, if it becomes popular even the linux community will have problems because I really doubt that they will release a plugin for other OSes other than Mac OS any way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Thanks to all the input I found a solution what works for me: FreeBSD 7.0 and Firefox 3.0a2 (the firefox-devel port) 1. I deinstalled swfdec. 2. Closed Firefox and renamed .mozilla to .mozilla.backup 3. Started firefox so to generate a new and clean .mozilla 4. #make install /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper 5. Downloaded http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlashP2_Platform=Linux --the .tar.gz format. 6. Extract libflashplayer.so from install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz and copy it to ~/.mozilla/plugins 7. Then, as normal user: $nspluginwrapper -v -a -i (to install) $nspluginwrapper -l (to check if its installed) 8. Copied the settings, like bookmarks.html and other stuff like themes from .mozilla.backup to .mozilla (dont copy the whole bunch back not to overwrite the plugin settings) 9. My /etc/rc.conf has the entry linux_enable=YES -- I suppose this is necessary. That way you can enter the wonderful world of annoying advertisment even without using Windows.. Cheers herbs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:43:12 +0200 herbert langhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all the input I found a solution what works for me: FreeBSD 7.0 and Firefox 3.0a2 (the firefox-devel port) 1. I deinstalled swfdec. 2. Closed Firefox and renamed .mozilla to .mozilla.backup 3. Started firefox so to generate a new and clean .mozilla 4. #make install /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper 5. Downloaded http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlashP2_Platform=Linux --the .tar.gz format. 6. Extract libflashplayer.so from install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz and copy it to ~/.mozilla/plugins 7. Then, as normal user: $nspluginwrapper -v -a -i (to install) $nspluginwrapper -l (to check if its installed) 8. Copied the settings, like bookmarks.html and other stuff like themes from .mozilla.backup to .mozilla (dont copy the whole bunch back not to overwrite the plugin settings) 9. My /etc/rc.conf has the entry linux_enable=YES -- I suppose this is necessary. That way you can enter the wonderful world of annoying advertisment even without using Windows.. Cheers herbs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You were able to get version 9 working, I can't even do that on mine, it just freezes firefox ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Works here. But I didnt check it on many websites. Just audio is not ok, its mute. herbs You were able to get version 9 working, I can't even do that on mine, it just freezes firefox ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:01 -0400, E. J. Cerejo wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 10:15 +0200, herbert langhans wrote: Hi Volodymyr, I already use swfdec, but the curent port gets old too and doesnt seem to play recent Flash pages. I dont care about the animations, but it is frustrating not being able to enter some websites.. I'd say talking to the web designers and drawing away Adobe's business might be a better angle at this point. They won't listen to most OSS... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's going to be interesting when microsoft's silverlight comes out, it is supposed to be superior to flash, if it becomes popular even the linux community will have problems because I really doubt that they will release a plugin for other OSes other than Mac OS any way. Yes, but like any other crap they put out I'm sure we'll find a way around it... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 11:00 -0400, Gerard wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE CONTACT ADOBE. TELL THEM TO RELEASE A FLASH PLUGIN FOR FREEBSD. There are more and more websites you cannot even enter without a running Flash Player. so don't watch them. their author definitely are not interested in providing real information, as it can't go without flash. while there is a lot of pages that are unreadable without flash, non of them contain useful informations. I find that assumption grossly inaccurate. I have experienced difficulties numerous times trying to access financial institutions without a working flash plug-in. I just had another bad experience with a linksys site using Opera: http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_CASupport_C1childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1175238286492pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=8649286492H30displaypage=download The lack of an easy to install and maintain flash program is one of the main reasons I maintain a WinXP machine. Not the only reason perhaps, but nevertheless an important one. Pity you would think that you have to corrupt your network with this machine! At least you could use linux... If many of the BSD community ask for it, they probably will release a BSD Version.. they should do it alone, not be asked for it. they know that FreeBSD exist, and they know that it's just matter of recompiling. But they don't release FreeBSD version. so they don't willingly. They are not idiots, and they already calculated well if providing FreeBSD version will be good for them of not. don't be anyone's slave and simply don't use this crap at all. whatever you use freebsd or not ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 00:43 +0200, herbert langhans wrote: Thanks to all the input I found a solution what works for me: FreeBSD 7.0 and Firefox 3.0a2 (the firefox-devel port) 1. I deinstalled swfdec. 2. Closed Firefox and renamed .mozilla to .mozilla.backup 3. Started firefox so to generate a new and clean .mozilla 4. #make install /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper 5. Downloaded http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlashP2_Platform=Linux --the .tar.gz format. 6. Extract libflashplayer.so from install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz and copy it to ~/.mozilla/plugins 7. Then, as normal user: $nspluginwrapper -v -a -i (to install) $nspluginwrapper -l (to check if its installed) 8. Copied the settings, like bookmarks.html and other stuff like themes from .mozilla.backup to .mozilla (dont copy the whole bunch back not to overwrite the plugin settings) 9. My /etc/rc.conf has the entry linux_enable=YES -- I suppose this is necessary. That way you can enter the wonderful world of annoying advertisment even without using Windows.. Good to know. I was going to have a crack at it again once I got the chance... Can you whip up a how-to for a newbie so we can direct them to there in the future? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:01 -0400, E. J. Cerejo wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 10:15 +0200, herbert langhans wrote: Hi Volodymyr, I already use swfdec, but the curent port gets old too and doesnt seem to play recent Flash pages. I dont care about the animations, but it is frustrating not being able to enter some websites.. I'd say talking to the web designers and drawing away Adobe's business might be a better angle at this point. They won't listen to most OSS... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's going to be interesting when microsoft's silverlight comes out, it is supposed to be superior to flash, if it becomes popular even the linux community will have problems because I really doubt that they will release a plugin for other OSes other than Mac OS any way. Yes, but like any other crap they put out I'm sure we'll find a way around it... :) There's already a MacOS version available: http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ and support for linux as well: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight Abe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
There's already a MacOS version available: http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ That's what I said and support for linux as well: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight It looks like gnash for silverlight, it will always be a step behind like gnash. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 20:15 -0400, Eduardo Cerejo wrote: There's already a MacOS version available: http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ That's what I said and support for linux as well: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight It looks like gnash for silverlight, it will always be a step behind like gnash. Actually the politics of mono suggest that M$ is behind it anyway, so maybe not... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Flash Player Petition
Yes, but like any other crap they put out I'm sure we'll find a way around it... :) most people need crap. Microsoft gives them what they want ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Flash player installation problems
I'm trying to install linux-flashplugin7, and am having problems. I've got nspluginwrapper, and linux-flashplugin7 installed. When I run nspluginwrapper -a -v -i I get this error: /usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I've got libX11.so.6, though: [EMAIL PROTECTED] locate libX11.so.6 /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.2 /usr/local/lib/libX11.so.6 Can I force nspluginwrapper to find it? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
flash player
Good day all, I am trying to install flash 7 from ports, I keep on getting this message linux-flashplugin -- critical vulnerabilities. Reference: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/b42e8c32-34f6-11dc-9bc9-001921ab2fa4.html I know that I uninstalled portaudit. Is there a way to still install the plugin? Thanks in advance, Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash player
Yes you can diable it with make DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes in the linux-flashplugin directory. Cheers Oliver On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 09:53:33AM -0400, Michael S wrote: Good day all, I am trying to install flash 7 from ports, I keep on getting this message linux-flashplugin -- critical vulnerabilities. Reference: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/b42e8c32-34f6-11dc-9bc9-001921ab2fa4.html I know that I uninstalled portaudit. Is there a way to still install the plugin? Thanks in advance, Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Q: What's tiny and yellow and very, very, dangerous? A: A canary with the super-user password. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash player
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael S wrote: I am trying to install flash 7 from ports, I keep on getting this message linux-flashplugin -- critical vulnerabilities. Reference: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/b42e8c32-34f6-11dc-9bc9-001921ab2fa4.html I know that I uninstalled portaudit. I strongly suggest you reinstall it straight away. The gains far out way the (supposed) pain. Is there a way to still install the plugin? man ports You are looking for DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES Cheers, Nick. -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash player
Thanks a lot. I will try that. --- Oliver Herold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes you can diable it with make DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes in the linux-flashplugin directory. Cheers Oliver On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 09:53:33AM -0400, Michael S wrote: Good day all, I am trying to install flash 7 from ports, I keep on getting this message linux-flashplugin -- critical vulnerabilities. Reference: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/b42e8c32-34f6-11dc-9bc9-001921ab2fa4.html I know that I uninstalled portaudit. Is there a way to still install the plugin? Thanks in advance, Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Q:What's tiny and yellow and very, very, dangerous? A:A canary with the super-user password. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Flash Player
Hello again all i have been having a really hard time figuring out how to get flash to work on my Freebsd machine. I go to lots of sites and they tell me to get the plugin but i have tried everything and cannot get it to work. I am running firefox from the ports and have the following ports installed to try and make this work but it will not. flashplugin-mozilla-0.4.13 A GPL standalone Flash (TM) plugin for Mozilla web browser libflash-0.4.13_1 GPL Flash (TM) Library linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin gnash-0.7.1_1 GNU Flash movie player firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla I have also done a bunch of goggling and noticed that there were and still be many licensing issues. Do these still exist or am i just doing something wrong the above mentioned plugins should play flash right? -- Computer King CaN Mail - Sales Service Hosting Backup http://www.computerking.ca http://www.canmail.org NEW!!! Custom Service Packages Secure IMAP Email - Automated Remote Backups - Photo Blogs - Online Accounting Packages ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash Player
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, RYAN M. vAN GINNEKEN wrote: Hello again all i have been having a really hard time figuring out how to get flash to work on my Freebsd machine. I go to lots of sites and they tell me to get the plugin but i have tried everything and cannot get it to work. I am running firefox from the ports and have the following ports installed to try and make this work but it will not. flashplugin-mozilla-0.4.13 A GPL standalone Flash (TM) plugin for Mozilla web browser libflash-0.4.13_1 GPL Flash (TM) Library linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin gnash-0.7.1_1 GNU Flash movie player firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla I have also done a bunch of goggling and noticed that there were and still be many licensing issues. Do these still exist or am i just doing something wrong the above mentioned plugins should play flash right? -- Computer King CaN Mail - Sales Service Hosting Backup http://www.computerking.ca http://www.canmail.org NEW!!! Custom Service Packages Secure IMAP Email - Automated Remote Backups - Photo Blogs - Online Accounting Packages Install linux-pluginwrapper and please read previous threads this month about this particular issue. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash Player
I am running firefox from the ports and have the following ports installed to try and make this work but it will not. flashplugin-mozilla-0.4.13 A GPL standalone Flash (TM) plugin for Mozilla web browser libflash-0.4.13_1 GPL Flash (TM) Library linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin gnash-0.7.1_1 GNU Flash movie player firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla I would recommend installing the linux-firefox port. It can coexist with the native freebsd firefox that you already have (in case you want to keep it for some reason), and it is an easy way to fix all the flash player problems. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash Player (fwd)
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Michael M. Press wrote: I am running firefox from the ports and have the following ports installed to try and make this work but it will not. flashplugin-mozilla-0.4.13 A GPL standalone Flash (TM) plugin for Mozilla web browser libflash-0.4.13_1 GPL Flash (TM) Library linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin gnash-0.7.1_1 GNU Flash movie player firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla I would recommend installing the linux-firefox port. It can coexist with the native freebsd firefox that you already have (in case you want to keep it for some reason), and it is an easy way to fix all the flash player problems. If you're going to be running the version 7 flash player, I highly recommend sticking with what you have but install the linux-pluginwrapper item as I suggested earlier. linux-firefox was incredibly buggy for me and I didn't think that it was as good as the natively built firefox I had. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash Player
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:23:42 -0500 Michael M. Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running firefox from the ports and have the following ports installed to try and make this work but it will not. flashplugin-mozilla-0.4.13 A GPL standalone Flash (TM) plugin for Mozilla web browser libflash-0.4.13_1 GPL Flash (TM) Library linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin gnash-0.7.1_1 GNU Flash movie player firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla I would recommend installing the linux-firefox port. It can coexist with the native freebsd firefox that you already have (in case you want to keep it for some reason), although you can't run them both at the same time. I've found that Opera is better under linux emulation, than Firefox. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:50:30 +0100, Marc Fonvieille wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:43:21PM +0800, peter wrote: 6.Check the libexec directory exists in /usr/src, if no, #sysinstall- custom-deistributions-src-libexec, then # cd /usr/src/libexec # fetch http://people.FreeBSD.org/~nork/rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # patch rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # cd rtld-elf # make clean # make obj # make depend # make make install That last part is useless now and will not work with 6.2-RELEASE. The current working way, is using a freash port tree and following the Handbook instructions. This is for Flash 7 (with or without soound according to the site you visit), for Flash 9 it's another story... For what value, do you mean useless now and will not work? I had to adjust the instructions because the patch actually is for /usr/src not /usr/src/libexec but I have just completed the build. Haven't rebooted yet, though. -- David Benfell, LCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/ NOTE: I sign all messages with GnuPG (0DD1D1E3). pgpj0vob112Nl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:31:33AM -0800, David Benfell wrote: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:50:30 +0100, Marc Fonvieille wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:43:21PM +0800, peter wrote: 6.Check the libexec directory exists in /usr/src, if no, #sysinstall- custom-deistributions-src-libexec, then # cd /usr/src/libexec # fetch http://people.FreeBSD.org/~nork/rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # patch rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # cd rtld-elf # make clean # make obj # make depend # make make install That last part is useless now and will not work with 6.2-RELEASE. The current working way, is using a freash port tree and following the Handbook instructions. This is for Flash 7 (with or without soound according to the site you visit), for Flash 9 it's another story... For what value, do you mean useless now and will not work? [...] I mean the www/linuxpluginwrapper has been updated (v 1.58 2007/01/28) to avoid the use of any hack, and the rtld_dlsym_hack.diff diff cannot be applied to a 6.2-RELEASE/6-STABLE source tree. -- Marc pgpQb2fxib10s.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Andreas Davour wrote: I did try to set up my environment like you described. But, in the listarchive the ftp site you mentioned is scrambled. Could you please repost it? The site I used didn't have many of the packages. I suppose you are talking about PKG_SITES. I use this Norwegian mirror: ftp://ftp.no.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/ The procedure seemed to be fairly intelligent, with portinstall searching /All and /Latest and sometimes going into packages-6.2-release if some package could not be found. But it needs to said that many installs failed with missing packages. At any rate, I downloaded gentoo, worker, xnview and some other things with portinstall -PPR. And I have no idea whether any of this meant anything for flash. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Andreas Davour wrote: It's terribly sad that nobody can make it work, as of now. I really hope FreeBSD 7 can make a change. It DOES work right now, in 6.2-RELEASE with linux-flashplugin7, and that is with sound. The problem is, it only works for some users, and no one knows precisely which conditions must be met. As I said some posts ago, I have struggled with this problem myself. And then, after installing some packages with PKG_SITES set to packages-6-stable, flash suddenly started working. So it's a fair guess that it might work for you too if you upgraded or installed something from packages-6-stable. But we really should get to the bottom of this. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On 1/29/07, Andreas Davour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Garrett Cooper wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Davour wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: Since I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE I guess it could be fixed in the final RELEASE, but it would be nice to know if someone can recognize _dlsym and say it is so. You need to apply the rtld patch mentioned in the first link above. Is there a way to get sound working as well? Google didn't give any answers. Short answer: no. Read my 2nd the last post made on this topic. Sorry for being so lost. I'm totally lost in the native/emulated mess and which of the ports work with which. It's terribly sad that nobody can make it work, as of now. I really hope FreeBSD 7 can make a change. Unfortunately this means I will have to switch to using Linux as my desktop OS. Crap. Reinstall hell... :( Flash, however much we all hate it, isn't going to go away. It's extra annoying since I had Flash6 working all right before, and now this mess. While FreeBSD has a great community (thanks all guys who have patience with me asking stupid questions!) and is much more pleasant to administer it doesn't meet my needs in this area. A crying shame, and I just wish I wasn't such a total looser at coding or I'd try to help with this problem. Many thanks to all who answered! /Andreas I was able to use Opera Native via this link http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-December/137131.html Didn't put more time in FF yet. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Andreas Davour wrote: I'll try to do a cvsup, rebuild and try to reinstall the browser and the plugins. Is PKG_SITES only used with pkg_fetch or can I use the ports system as is? I've never even heard of it before today. I believe you can use the ports system as is. In theory at least you should get the same or newer packages that way. But I doubt that you need to rebuild the browser and plugins. The point is that I used portinstall -PPR some time between January 20 and 24. And it is probably the -R that has sucked in some updated library. I see a couple of Linux libraries last updated on January 22. Packages with linux in their name on my machine comprise the following: %pkg_info -Ex linux linux-expat-1.95.8 linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5 linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 linux_base-fc-4_9 linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_6 You could check whether you have the same versions. And we could make other such checks if anyone has an idea what to look for. But it needs to be said that I also downloaded other things in those four days. And, most significantly, I settled some problems with my Nvidia driver. Maybe this was what made the penny drop. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Andreas Davour wrote: [snip] Is what I get when I try Google Video. YouTube works for video, but not sound. I wonder if that state kserel is what's troubling us? It's past midnight here, so I'll think about this thing tomorrow. I also get YouTube without sound. But I get http://www.flashsound.com/ with sound, and as far as I can understand, that is flash sound. In any case, I am ecstatic just to get the video, which I did not get before. I now have 6.2-RELEASE installed, and have not yet tried portinstall -PPR. What did you -PPR? Firefox? linux-flashplugin? I downloaded some file managers and editors in order to try them out. Afraid I don't recall too many particulars. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Tore Lund wrote: Andreas Davour wrote: [snip] Is what I get when I try Google Video. YouTube works for video, but not sound. I wonder if that state kserel is what's troubling us? It's past midnight here, so I'll think about this thing tomorrow. I also get YouTube without sound. But I get http://www.flashsound.com/ with sound, and as far as I can understand, that is flash sound. In any case, I am ecstatic just to get the video, which I did not get before. I now have 6.2-RELEASE installed, and have not yet tried portinstall -PPR. What did you -PPR? Firefox? linux-flashplugin? I downloaded some file managers and editors in order to try them out. Afraid I don't recall too many particulars. Here's an idea - if yer not married to the idea of using either T-Bird or F-fox (native) install the linux-firefox and linux-thunderbird. I did - no issues with shock etc. Just an alternative I spose. Mind you, I prefer to use the native, but -- Best regards, Chris Superiority is recessive. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Chris wrote: Tore Lund wrote: Andreas Davour wrote: [snip] Is what I get when I try Google Video. YouTube works for video, but not sound. I wonder if that state kserel is what's troubling us? It's past midnight here, so I'll think about this thing tomorrow. I also get YouTube without sound. But I get http://www.flashsound.com/ with sound, and as far as I can understand, that is flash sound. In any case, I am ecstatic just to get the video, which I did not get before. I now have 6.2-RELEASE installed, and have not yet tried portinstall -PPR. What did you -PPR? Firefox? linux-flashplugin? I downloaded some file managers and editors in order to try them out. Afraid I don't recall too many particulars. Here's an idea - if yer not married to the idea of using either T-Bird or F-fox (native) install the linux-firefox and linux-thunderbird. I did - no issues with shock etc. Just an alternative I spose. Mind you, I prefer to use the native, but Clarification for those confused: I didn't say Flash 9 wouldn't work on FreeBSD--I said Flash 9 _with sound_ wouldn't work. That's just the way that they chose to program since OSS went out of style in Linux and Alsa got in style between versions 7 and 9 of Flash. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Andreas Davour wrote: Sorry for being so lost. I'm totally lost in the native/emulated mess and which of the ports work with which. It's terribly sad that nobody can make it work, as of now. I really hope FreeBSD 7 can make a change. I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE as the desktop with firefox 2,linux-flashplugin7. All work well. That confused me for few days, now I write the detail steps for you. 1.Use portsnap update the ports tree.You can read the info from the freebsd handbook, Appendix A. Obtaining FreeBSD 2.Install linux_base from /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-fc4, In /etc/rc.onf, add the line: linux_enable=YES 3.Install firefox2 from /usr/ports/www/firefox. 4.Install linuxpluginwrapper in /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper. cp /usr/local/share/examples/linuxpluginwrapper/libmap.conf-FreeBSD6 /etc/libmap.conf 5.Install linux-flashplugin7 in /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin7. In handbook : # ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so \ /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/ # ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/flashplayer.xpt \ /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/ but firefox plugin directory is /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/, so you must change above line /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/ to /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ 6.Check the libexec directory exists in /usr/src, if no, #sysinstall- custom-deistributions-src-libexec, then # cd /usr/src/libexec # fetch http://people.FreeBSD.org/~nork/rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # patch rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # cd rtld-elf # make clean # make obj # make depend # make make install Then reboot your machine. Now it should work. hope this help you. peter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:43:21PM +0800, peter wrote: Andreas Davour wrote: Sorry for being so lost. I'm totally lost in the native/emulated mess and which of the ports work with which. It's terribly sad that nobody can make it work, as of now. I really hope FreeBSD 7 can make a change. I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE as the desktop with firefox 2,linux-flashplugin7. All work well. That confused me for few days, now I write the detail steps for you. 1.Use portsnap update the ports tree.You can read the info from the freebsd handbook, Appendix A. Obtaining FreeBSD 2.Install linux_base from /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-fc4, In /etc/rc.onf, add the line: linux_enable=YES 3.Install firefox2 from /usr/ports/www/firefox. 4.Install linuxpluginwrapper in /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper. cp /usr/local/share/examples/linuxpluginwrapper/libmap.conf-FreeBSD6 /etc/libmap.conf 5.Install linux-flashplugin7 in /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin7. In handbook : # ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so \ /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/ # ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/flashplayer.xpt \ /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/ but firefox plugin directory is /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/, so you must change above line /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/ to /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ 6.Check the libexec directory exists in /usr/src, if no, #sysinstall- custom-deistributions-src-libexec, then # cd /usr/src/libexec # fetch http://people.FreeBSD.org/~nork/rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # patch rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # cd rtld-elf # make clean # make obj # make depend # make make install That last part is useless now and will not work with 6.2-RELEASE. The current working way, is using a freash port tree and following the Handbook instructions. This is for Flash 7 (with or without soound according to the site you visit), for Flash 9 it's another story... -- Marc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Davour wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: Since I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE I guess it could be fixed in the final RELEASE, but it would be nice to know if someone can recognize _dlsym and say it is so. You need to apply the rtld patch mentioned in the first link above. Is there a way to get sound working as well? Google didn't give any answers. /andreas Short answer: no. Read my 2nd the last post made on this topic. - -Garrett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFvHAnEnKyINQw/HARAqAWAKCDJNceW5DRcIKOYQLMiIclntNAJwCfcB9L IPjIzerH/181nyql8xxBSNA= =KqF0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Andreas Davour writes: Anyway. Can we hope that patch is finding it's way into the main branch with haste? As I understand it: 1) This patch is the tip of the iceberg for a much larger change, 2) That change will not debut globally until 7.0. 3) Unfortunately, a critical piece of the enabling infrastructure (www/linuxpluginwrapper) is broken by this and no one has stepped forward to fix it. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
From: Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:44:41 AM Subject: Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox Andreas Davour writes: Anyway. Can we hope that patch is finding it's way into the main branch with haste? As I understand it: 1) This patch is the tip of the iceberg for a much larger change, 2) That change will not debut globally until 7.0. 3) Unfortunately, a critical piece of the enabling infrastructure (www/linuxpluginwrapper) is broken by this and no one has stepped forward to fix it. Robert Huff ___ I installed gnash, the port related to effort to create an open source flash player, including a plugin. Firefox recognizes it as a plugin; but I still get the missing plugin message on many flash web pages. Has anyone else here tried gnash? If so, what has your experience been? Thanks, Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On 1/28/07, Andreas Davour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: I followed those instructions and with firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 it gives this result: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/pluginwrapper/flash7.so: Undefined symbol _dlsym Since I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE I guess it could be fixed in the final RELEASE, but it would be nice to know if someone can recognize _dlsym and say it is so. You need to apply the rtld patch mentioned in the first link above. And I thought that I read that carefully! Was that paragraph added since I read the document? ;) Anyway. Can we hope that patch is finding it's way into the main branch with haste? FreeBSD without Flash working is not a suitable day-to-day websurfing system. /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? How about it now? http://www.freshports.org/www/linuxpluginwrapper/ -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On 1/28/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/28/07, Andreas Davour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: I followed those instructions and with firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 it gives this result: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/pluginwrapper/flash7.so: Undefined symbol _dlsym Since I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE I guess it could be fixed in the final RELEASE, but it would be nice to know if someone can recognize _dlsym and say it is so. You need to apply the rtld patch mentioned in the first link above. And I thought that I read that carefully! Was that paragraph added since I read the document? ;) Anyway. Can we hope that patch is finding it's way into the main branch with haste? FreeBSD without Flash working is not a suitable day-to-day websurfing system. /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? How about it now? http://www.freshports.org/www/linuxpluginwrapper/ -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ Just installed the new linuxpluginwrapper and cp'd the new libmap.conf to /etc and everything works as before. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On 1/28/07, Andreas Davour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, FreeBSD WickerBill wrote: How about it now? http://www.freshports.org/www/linuxpluginwrapper/ Just installed the new linuxpluginwrapper and cp'd the new libmap.confto /etc and everything works as before. That is, for me it shows up a Flash movie and I can play it, but no sound at all. /andreas I had followd the thread in full, none of the patch procedure or symlinks etc, nothing works , I am running out of all ideas one thing I noticed was that the mplayer which I installed with simple make install clean all have gotten just right and I can see them all in and it works each and everytime This is output of my about:plugins. I am really about to give up on this flash player or shockwave flash I tried performing all the steps discussed with both flash 7 and flash 9, wrapper etc whatever with just no succcess === Help for installing plug-ins is available from plugindoc.mozdev.org. -- Windows Media Player Plugin File name: mplayerplug-in-wmp.so mplayerplug-inhttp://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ 3.31 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu/ JavaScript Enabled and Using GTK2 Widgets MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/asx Media Files * Yes video/x-ms-asf-plugin Media Files * Yes video/x-msvideo AVI avi,* Yes video/msvideo AVI avi,* Yes application/x-mplayer2 Media Files * Yes application/x-ms-wmv Microsoft WMV video wmv,* Yes video/x-ms-asf Media Files asf,asx,* Yes video/x-ms-wm Media Files wm,* Yes video/x-ms-wmv Microsoft WMV video wmv,* Yes audio/x-ms-wmv Windows Media wmv,* Yes video/x-ms-wmp Windows Media wmp,* Yes video/x-ms-wvx Windows Media wvx,* Yes audio/x-ms-wax Windows Media wax,* Yes audio/x-ms-wma Windows Media wma,* Yes application/x-drm-v2 Windows Media asx,* Yes audio/wav Microsoft wave file wav,* Yes audio/x-wav Microsoft wave file wav,* Yes DivX Browser Plug-In File name: mplayerplug-in-dvx.so mplayerplug-inhttp://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ 3.31 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu/ JavaScript Enabled and Using GTK2 Widgets MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled video/divx DivX Media Format divx Yes video/vnd.divx DivX Media Format divx Yes Google VLC multimedia plugin 1.0 File name: mplayerplug-in-gmp.so mplayerplug-inhttp://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ 3.31 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu/ JavaScript Enabled and Using GTK2 Widgets MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-google-vlc-plugin Google Video Yes QuickTime Plug-in 6.0 / 7 File name: mplayerplug-in-qt.so mplayerplug-inhttp://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ 3.31 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu/ JavaScript Enabled and Using GTK2 Widgets MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled video/quicktime Quicktime mov Yes video/x-quicktime Quicktime mov Yes image/x-quicktime Quicktime mov Yes video/quicktime Quicktime mp4 Yes video/quicktime Quicktime - Session Description Protocol sdp Yes application/x-quicktimeplayer Quicktime mov Yes application/smil SMIL smil Yes RealPlayer 9 File name: mplayerplug-in-rm.so mplayerplug-inhttp://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ 3.31 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu/ JavaScript Enabled and Using GTK2 Widgets MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled audio/x-pn-realaudio RealAudio ram,rm Yes application/vnd.rn-realmedia RealMedia rm Yes application/vnd.rn-realaudio RealAudio ra,ram Yes video/vnd.rn-realvideo RealVideo rv Yes audio/x-realaudio RealAudio ra Yes audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin RealAudio rpm Yes application/smil SMIL smil Yes mplayerplug-in 3.31 File name: mplayerplug-in.so mplayerplug-inhttp://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ 3.31 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu/ JavaScript Enabled and Using GTK2 Widgets MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled video/mpeg MPEG mpg,mpeg Yes audio/mpeg MPEG mpg,mpeg Yes video/x-mpeg MPEG mpg,mpeg Yes video/x-mpeg2 MPEG2 mpv2,mp2ve Yes audio/mpeg MPEG mpg,mpeg Yes audio/x-mpeg MPEG mpg,mpeg Yes audio/mpeg2 MPEG audio mp2 Yes audio/x-mpeg2 MPEG audio mp2 Yes video/mp4 MPEG 4 Video mp4 Yes audio/mpeg3 MPEG audio mp3 Yes audio/x-mpeg3 MPEG audio mp3 Yes audio/x-mpegurl MPEG url m3u Yes audio/mp3 MPEG audio mp3 Yes application/x-ogg Ogg Vorbis Media ogg Yes audio/ogg Ogg Vorbis Audio ogg Yes application/ogg Ogg Vorbis / Ogg Theora ogg Yes video/fli FLI animation fli,flc Yes video/x-fli FLI animation fli,flc Yes video/vnd.vivo VivoActive viv,vivo Yes application/x-nsv-vp3-mp3 Nullsoft Streaming
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
And so am I 2007/1/29, Dak Ghatikachalam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.freshports.org/www/linuxpluginwrapper/ I had followd the thread in full, none of the patch procedure or symlinks etc, nothing works , I am running out of all ideas one thing I noticed was that the mplayer which I installed with simple make install clean all have gotten just right and I can see them all in and it works each and everytime This is output of my about:plugins. I am really about to give up on this flash player or shockwave flash I tried performing all the steps discussed with both flash 7 and flash 9, wrapper etc whatever with just no succcess -- jjd ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Thursday 25 January 2007 20:41, Erik Norgaard wrote: I see the new flash9 for linux has been included in ports, so I installed it - but how do I enable the plugin in Firefox? Does it work or does it crash? You should check out the freebsd-ports mailing list archives. This has been discussed maybe a week ago. Basically, it works with linux-firefox and you can get sound if you follow the intructions at http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux You need to compile a file on a linux box and install the resulting libflashsupport.so in /compat/linux/usr/lib Flash9 is very unstable though, so you'll probably want to stay with flash7 for now. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
MM... we should write up a step-by-step How-to about this subject and have it post on somewhere (or have it associated with firefox pkg-message), more and more website pages depend on flash to function correctly, this is a serious issue... TFC On 1/27/07, Andreas Davour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: Flash9 is very unstable though, so you'll probably want to stay with flash7 for now. Since I have had serious problems getting even Flash7 to work, following instructions found here at the list, could you please summarize the steps for getting the older Flash version running? I'm begining to suspect something more is needed than the information I've found. Do e.g. I have to run firefox under Linux emulation? /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Andreas Davour wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: Flash9 is very unstable though, so you'll probably want to stay with flash7 for now. Since I have had serious problems getting even Flash7 to work, following instructions found here at the list, could you please summarize the steps for getting the older Flash version running? I'm begining to suspect something more is needed than the information I've found. Do e.g. I have to run firefox under Linux emulation? I think it is not a matter of detailing steps. I have used the steps in question many times over in order to get linux-flashplugin7 working with native Firefox, with no luck whatsoever. However, after installing 6.2-RELEASE, I have added some packages with portinstall -PP, and for some reason, linux-flashplugin7 now works on my system. I suspect this happened because my PKG_SITES is set to ftp:.../i386/packages-6-stable/. Most likely, some library was updated, and this did the trick. Wish I knew precisely which update that was. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Saturday 27 January 2007 13:20, Andreas Davour wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: Flash9 is very unstable though, so you'll probably want to stay with flash7 for now. Since I have had serious problems getting even Flash7 to work, following instructions found here at the list, could you please summarize the steps for getting the older Flash version running? I'm begining to suspect something more is needed than the information I've found. Do e.g. I have to run firefox under Linux emulation? When I need to access a flash site (and only then, the rest are ads anyway), I simply use linux-firefox (or linux-opera) with linux-flashplugin7. That works by simply installing those ports. No extra configuration is necessary. If you want to use flash with native freebsd browsers, you need to use linuxpluginwrapper (only for FreeBSD 5.x and 6.x). The details are explained at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php If that doesn't work, please specify which FreeBSD version you're using and which browser. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Tijl Coosemans wrote: On Thursday 25 January 2007 20:41, Erik Norgaard wrote: I see the new flash9 for linux has been included in ports, so I installed it - but how do I enable the plugin in Firefox? Does it work or does it crash? Basically, it works with linux-firefox and you can get sound if you follow the intructions at http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux Does this mean that I cannot use linux-flash with native Firefox? Can flash be launched as a standalone application? If the answer is yes, no, then I will file a bug report to have linux-firefox added to the run-dependency list. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: how to enable linux flash player [9] in firefox
On Thursday 25 January 2007 23:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:41:37 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: how to enable linux flash player in firefox To: FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi there: I see the new flash9 for linux has been included in ports, so I installed it - but how do I enable the plugin in Firefox? Does it work or does it crash? Thanks, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org I've tried installing this, too. The included readme addresses linux, and there is no indication of what is supposed to be done with libmap.conf, which leaves me in the dark. Has anyone figured this out? Thanks, Oliver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
my psersonal flash experience with opera by going to youtube is linux-opera works but not native opera+linuxplugin. TFC On 1/27/07, Andreas Davour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: On Saturday 27 January 2007 13:20, Andreas Davour wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: Flash9 is very unstable though, so you'll probably want to stay with flash7 for now. Since I have had serious problems getting even Flash7 to work, following instructions found here at the list, could you please summarize the steps for getting the older Flash version running? I'm begining to suspect something more is needed than the information I've found. Do e.g. I have to run firefox under Linux emulation? When I need to access a flash site (and only then, the rest are ads anyway), I simply use linux-firefox (or linux-opera) with linux-flashplugin7. That works by simply installing those ports. No extra configuration is necessary. I'm tempted to install linux-firefox or linux-opera myself, since you have no problems with them If you want to use flash with native freebsd browsers, you need to use linuxpluginwrapper (only for FreeBSD 5.x and 6.x). The details are explained at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php If that doesn't work, please specify which FreeBSD version you're using and which browser. I followed those instructions and with firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 it gives this result: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/pluginwrapper/flash7.so: Undefined symbol _dlsym Since I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE I guess it could be fixed in the final RELEASE, but it would be nice to know if someone can recognize _dlsym and say it is so. /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player [9] in firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oliver Iberien wrote: On Thursday 25 January 2007 23:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:41:37 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: how to enable linux flash player in firefox To: FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi there: I see the new flash9 for linux has been included in ports, so I installed it - but how do I enable the plugin in Firefox? Does it work or does it crash? Thanks, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org I've tried installing this, too. The included readme addresses linux, and there is no indication of what is supposed to be done with libmap.conf, which leaves me in the dark. Has anyone figured this out? Thanks, Oliver I grabbed the symbols table for the flash player, but unfortunately I'm clueless as to determining what the hell the original linuxplugin-wrapper dev had in mind, so I can't really move on further than that. I can provide my info though so someone who does have an idea can proceed on, if necessary. If you use any sound requiring flash modules, Flash player will make Firefox ( / Seamonkey?) segfault and core dump; this is true for linux-firefox with (at least) only the default config. This is because (like some have mentioned before in previous threads) flash uses ALSA, which is linux's answer to getting rid of OSS. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture. With that aside, Flash 9 is incredibly unstable with linux emulation. Flash 9 under Linux worked fine on Gentoo when I ran the beta version--other than flash animations just being a bit slow. rant It's a pain in the ass that Adobe / Macromedia had to invent a technology that so many web developers sought, just because of its ease of developing; if only the developers sought to learn CSS and a bit of proper javascripting, then stuff would be easier for viewing on all platforms. (a few choice four-/five-letter words combined with other words and grumbling) /rant -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFu8PVEnKyINQw/HARAphwAJ99FBr2TfzwGTZZgFeopW8Iu/0n4wCfa6vC usK1FfxupSz5+HBTHMwdnm4= =4+kP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player [9] in firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Garrett Cooper wrote: Oliver Iberien wrote: On Thursday 25 January 2007 23:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:41:37 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: how to enable linux flash player in firefox To: FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi there: I see the new flash9 for linux has been included in ports, so I installed it - but how do I enable the plugin in Firefox? Does it work or does it crash? Thanks, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org I've tried installing this, too. The included readme addresses linux, and there is no indication of what is supposed to be done with libmap.conf, which leaves me in the dark. Has anyone figured this out? Thanks, Oliver I grabbed the symbols table for the flash player, but unfortunately I'm clueless as to determining what the hell the original linuxplugin-wrapper dev had in mind, so I can't really move on further than that. I can provide my info though so someone who does have an idea can proceed on, if necessary. If you use any sound requiring flash modules, Flash player will make Firefox ( / Seamonkey?) segfault and core dump; this is true for linux-firefox with (at least) only the default config. This is because (like some have mentioned before in previous threads) flash uses ALSA, which is linux's answer to getting rid of OSS. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture. With that aside, Flash 9 is incredibly unstable with linux emulation. Flash 9 under Linux worked fine on Gentoo when I ran the beta version--other than flash animations just being a bit slow. rant It's a pain in the ass that Adobe / Macromedia had to invent a technology that so many web developers sought, just because of its ease of developing; if only the developers sought to learn CSS and a bit of proper javascripting, then stuff would be easier for viewing on all platforms. (a few choice four-/five-letter words combined with other words and grumbling) /rant Here's the link to 2 of the text files that contain the libraries / function calls I found in the global symbols table for libflashplayer.so: http://students.washington.edu/youshi10/posted/flash9/. - -Garrett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFu8Z4EnKyINQw/HARAgHfAJ4n9K3INpkIEW1NMlLqUnvROl9P5QCdFJTQ Ursg1bPrkWMEvDTCu16uoiU= =WGcH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Saturday 27 January 2007 21:17, Andreas Davour wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: If you want to use flash with native freebsd browsers, you need to use linuxpluginwrapper (only for FreeBSD 5.x and 6.x). The details are explained at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php If that doesn't work, please specify which FreeBSD version you're using and which browser. I followed those instructions and with firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 it gives this result: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/pluginwrapper/flash7.so: Undefined symbol _dlsym Since I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE I guess it could be fixed in the final RELEASE, but it would be nice to know if someone can recognize _dlsym and say it is so. You need to apply the rtld patch mentioned in the first link above. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Saturday 27 January 2007 15:44, Erik Norgaard wrote: Tijl Coosemans wrote: On Thursday 25 January 2007 20:41, Erik Norgaard wrote: I see the new flash9 for linux has been included in ports, so I installed it - but how do I enable the plugin in Firefox? Does it work or does it crash? Basically, it works with linux-firefox and you can get sound if you follow the intructions at http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux Does this mean that I cannot use linux-flash with native Firefox? Can flash be launched as a standalone application? If the answer is yes, no, then I will file a bug report to have linux-firefox added to the run-dependency list. linuxpluginwrapper doesn't support flash9 yet, so no, you can't use it with any native browser. There is a standalone flash player I believe, but not in the plugin package. I wouldn't add a run dependency on linux-firefox though. The plugin can be used with other browsers as well. A pkg-message would be nice though. And it needs a run dependency on linux-gtk2. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Andreas Davour [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Saturday 27 January 2007 21:17, Andreas Davour wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: If you want to use flash with native freebsd browsers, you need to use linuxpluginwrapper (only for FreeBSD 5.x and 6.x). The details are explained at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-brows ers.html http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php If that doesn't work, please specify which FreeBSD version you're using and which browser. I followed those instructions and with firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 it gives this result: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/pluginwrapper/flash7.so: Undefined symbol _dlsym Since I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE I guess it could be fixed in the final RELEASE, but it would be nice to know if someone can recognize _dlsym and say it is so. You need to apply the rtld patch mentioned in the first link above. This is what I used (from an archived posting to this list): $ cd /usr/src $ fetch http://people.FreeBSD.org/~nork/rtld_dlsym_hack.diff $ patch rtld_dlsym_hack.diff $ cd libexec/rtld-elf $ sudo make rtld $ sudo make install I also had to make symlinks from libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt to the /npapi and /browser-plugins folders and update /etc/libmap.conf (change flash6 to flash7 wherever it appears, basically) to get this to work. But it does, in native Firefox, at least. Never seen or heard of it working in Konqueror. Oliver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player [9] in firefox
I've tried installing this, too. The included readme addresses linux, and there is no indication of what is supposed to be done with libmap.conf, which leaves me in the dark. Has anyone figured this out? linux-flashplugin9 is useful for people who use the linux-firefox. The libmap.conf / linuxpluginwrapper code only currently works with linux-flashplugin7, so you'll need to keep using that one instead if you use the native FreeBSD firefox. When/if flashplayer9 is working with FreeBSD firefo, then the flashplayer7 port will be removed. Hope this clarifies things, cheers, Jamie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox
On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: how to enable linux flash player in firefox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Andreas Davour [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Saturday 27 January 2007 21:17, Andreas Davour wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: If you want to use flash with native freebsd browsers, you need to use linuxpluginwrapper (only for FreeBSD 5.x and 6.x). The details are explained at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-brows ers.html http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php If that doesn't work, please specify which FreeBSD version you're using and which browser. I followed those instructions and with firefox-2.0.0.1_1,1 it gives this result: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/pluginwrapper/flash7.so: Undefined symbol _dlsym Since I'm now using 6.2-PRERELEASE I guess it could be fixed in the final RELEASE, but it would be nice to know if someone can recognize _dlsym and say it is so. You need to apply the rtld patch mentioned in the first link above. It's: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player [9] in firefox
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 01:27:49PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: It's a pain in the ass that Adobe / Macromedia had to invent a technology that so many web developers sought, just because of its ease of developing; if only the developers sought to learn CSS and a bit of proper javascripting, then stuff would be easier for viewing on all platforms. I've nevr understood the need for something as absurd as flash and shockwave; a graphic/animated app that was developed for proprietary computers. But I have wanted to know if the same thing could be done with Java. Isn't most of the sweat in creating the animation? The big question is, how much effort would it take to creat a javascript out of whatever-flash-requires? -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to enable linux flash player [9] in firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 01:27:49PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: It's a pain in the ass that Adobe / Macromedia had to invent a technology that so many web developers sought, just because of its ease of developing; if only the developers sought to learn CSS and a bit of proper javascripting, then stuff would be easier for viewing on all platforms. I've nevr understood the need for something as absurd as flash and shockwave; a graphic/animated app that was developed for proprietary computers. But I have wanted to know if the same thing could be done with Java. Isn't most of the sweat in creating the animation? The big question is, how much effort would it take to creat a javascript out of whatever-flash-requires? Java? Not that bad, but the VM isn't as lightweight as the flash runtime engine (believe it or not). Not only that, it takes better developers than the ones that do flash (no, you can't point, click and drop little animations where you like or out of the box effects). About the only thing that flash can do that javascript and the rest can't do (easily) is video and audio, but then again that can be hacked using the right tools and setup in Java (maybe with a bit of native, or C/C++ code) to do what you need to do at lower levels. As for Javascript, it can do the majority of the junk that flash is used for nowadays, with a little proper HTML coding. Flash is just a fad that developers use to deploy quick projects (similar to VB was back in the day for Windows users). That's a good thought though.. I like that idea.. - -Garrett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFvCvqEnKyINQw/HARAsSPAJ9avHfXpA52mfIyS5Cpgyqy7LD37ACfSTro /fjbOgw1vzBTO3rZljAORwM= =hF7h -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to enable linux flash player in firefox
Hi there: I see the new flash9 for linux has been included in ports, so I installed it - but how do I enable the plugin in Firefox? Does it work or does it crash? Thanks, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Flash player 9 Beta is Live
On Thursday 19 October 2006 13:34, Mark Kane wrote: On Thu, Oct 19, 2006, at 13:08:50 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:32:14PM +0300, Dimiter Ivanov wrote: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html I have downloaded the stand alone player and it works out of the box. Anyone having expirience with the browser plugin ? I'm using 6.1 Release and KDE 3.5.4 OK. That sounds promising. But, is this limited to KDE or how about plain Firefox running on plain ole FreeBSD 6.1 with a fairly plain Windows manager? Does it requite the Lunix compatibility stuff? Yes, the plugin would need the Linux compatibility and a Linux binary browser (such as linux-firefox or linux-opera). I tried the standalone version yesterday on FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE [amd64] and I couldn't get the standalone version to play anything (it would just not do anything when opening files -- just sits at the white background of the window). I did try the Linux browser plugin along with linux-opera and it worked somewhat. It played the visual elements of Flash OK, however there is no sound since they're using ALSA for the sound in version 9. I also noticed that after playing Flash content, the area where the content was would turn a solid grey color and it seemed to lock the browser up a bit. If I closed out of that tab it seemed to be OK. Normally I have Flash disabled for all but a couple sites since it uses up tons of RAM and really slows down the browser after use (version 7 at least), so I unloaded 9 and went back to 7 for now where sound at least works. Hopefully Adobe will add in alternate sound support methods so other platforms besides Linux can have sound like in version 7, and of course I hope they release a native FreeBSD binary sometime too so we can use native browsers. -Mark I am not able to get this to work. I downloaded, unpacked, changed the permissions of the flash player and executed it. All I get is the adobe flashplayer dialog box. I tried to input an URL in the dialog box and it does nothing. Any help would be appreciated... Also can this be used inside of kde konqueor? v/r Derrick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash player 9 Beta is Live
On Sun, Oct 22, 2006, at 09:46:45 -0400, Derrick Edwards wrote: I am not able to get this to work. I downloaded, unpacked, changed the permissions of the flash player and executed it. All I get is the adobe flashplayer dialog box. I tried to input an URL in the dialog box and it does nothing. Any help would be appreciated... Also can this be used inside of kde konqueor? v/r I got the same results with the standalone player. I'm not sure the solution to that. If you want to use Flash 9 inside a browser (which seems to work fairly well with the exception of sound), then you need the Linux plugin version off their website and a Linux version of a browser such as linux-opera or linux-firefox. With them only producing the plugin for Linux, then you're kinda stuck with running a Linux binary browser for now. I tried the linuxpluginwrapper and a native browser before and it worked fairly OK with Flash 6, but had some problems even with version 7 so I don't think version 9 will work through that method. Also, if you need sound in Flash, you're better sticking with version 7 for now since they've used ALSA for their sound in version 9 which is Linux specific. If you want to see them make native Flash for FreeBSD or improve the sound support so we can at least use the Linux binary with sound, here are three ideas that might help: 1) Ask them on their official wish form: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform 2) Register your machine(s) with BSDStats which can help prove that there is a market for FreeBSD support: http://bsdstats.org/ 3) Sign the Flash for FreeBSD petition which already has almost 3,000 signatures: http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/ -Mark -- Internet Radio: Party107 (Trance/Electronic) - http://www.party107.com Rock 101.9 The Edge (Rock) - http://www.rock1019.net IRC: MIXXnet IRC Network - irc.mixxnet.net (Nick: MIXX941) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash player 9 Beta is Live
On 10/19/06, Dimiter Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html I have downloaded the stand alone player and it works out of the box. Anyone having expirience with the browser plugin ? i download the plugin and put in ~/.mozilla/plugins. it works in linux-firefox. but seems not stable enough. I'm using 6.1 Release and KDE 3.5.4 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Flash player 9 Beta is Live
http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html I have downloaded the stand alone player and it works out of the box. Anyone having expirience with the browser plugin ? I'm using 6.1 Release and KDE 3.5.4 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash player 9 Beta is Live
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:32:14PM +0300, Dimiter Ivanov wrote: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html I have downloaded the stand alone player and it works out of the box. Anyone having expirience with the browser plugin ? I'm using 6.1 Release and KDE 3.5.4 OK. That sounds promising. But, is this limited to KDE or how about plain Firefox running on plain ole FreeBSD 6.1 with a fairly plain Windows manager? Does it requite the Lunix compatibility stuff? I am reading through the stuff on the web pages, but I am really foggy about plugins and compatibility issues and it doesn't mention the stuff that would make feel reassured. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flash player 9 Beta is Live
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006, at 13:08:50 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:32:14PM +0300, Dimiter Ivanov wrote: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html I have downloaded the stand alone player and it works out of the box. Anyone having expirience with the browser plugin ? I'm using 6.1 Release and KDE 3.5.4 OK. That sounds promising. But, is this limited to KDE or how about plain Firefox running on plain ole FreeBSD 6.1 with a fairly plain Windows manager? Does it requite the Lunix compatibility stuff? Yes, the plugin would need the Linux compatibility and a Linux binary browser (such as linux-firefox or linux-opera). I tried the standalone version yesterday on FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE [amd64] and I couldn't get the standalone version to play anything (it would just not do anything when opening files -- just sits at the white background of the window). I did try the Linux browser plugin along with linux-opera and it worked somewhat. It played the visual elements of Flash OK, however there is no sound since they're using ALSA for the sound in version 9. I also noticed that after playing Flash content, the area where the content was would turn a solid grey color and it seemed to lock the browser up a bit. If I closed out of that tab it seemed to be OK. Normally I have Flash disabled for all but a couple sites since it uses up tons of RAM and really slows down the browser after use (version 7 at least), so I unloaded 9 and went back to 7 for now where sound at least works. Hopefully Adobe will add in alternate sound support methods so other platforms besides Linux can have sound like in version 7, and of course I hope they release a native FreeBSD binary sometime too so we can use native browsers. -Mark -- Internet Radio: Party107 (Trance/Electronic) - http://www.party107.com Rock 101.9 The Edge (Rock) - http://www.rock1019.net IRC: MIXXnet IRC Network - irc.mixxnet.net (Nick: MIXX941) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wanted: Flash player for browser_of_choice....
Hi, I've found this topic another day and today I've subscribed to this list in order to post this message that I hope could be helpful to someone. I've recentely managed to make linux-firefox ports to install flashplayer automatically (i.e. without relying on www/flashplugin ports) on freebsd (which I've never managed to do before). Even better, it's installed version 7 or flashplayer which I've almost never managed to run with firefox ports. I'm not a lawyer too but as flashplayer was not installed via ports and as it was firefox itself that fetch, downloaded and installed it, I think it's technically running under firefox regardless wherever firefox is running on. But that's only my guess... I'll described what happened so that anyone that want, can try and make it work to. I don't know exactely what make it work as I've tried it before without success. That's why I will explain the steps I took but I don't know which ones are relevant to the result I've achieved. 1) I run fredbsd current 7. 2) I always have firefox and flashplugin ports installed on my system and by adjusting /etc/libmap.conf I had success on displaying pages with flash contents, although I've always have problems when I installed newer versions of firefox or flashplugin. After such updates it was common that firefox crash when it find flash content and sometimes I wasn't able to fix it. The last time it happened I've only managed to avoid it to crash when it find flash content, but it didn't show any flash content in the page but only a frame where flash contend should be. 3) Tired of fixing these problems I tried to install linux-firefox that I've heard that would have better results. It really has, because after install, it played flash contents without any other adjustments. I think linux-firefox continue to rely on www/flashplayer ports to play flash contents but it seems to do it better. I noticed that it used flashplayer version 6, the same that I used to use with firefox ports. Now I had firefox and linux-firefox installed at the same time in my system and the nice thing was that bookmarks, extensions and etc were shared by both. 4) Recentelly during a ports update, portupgrade advise that flashplugin would be deinstallled as a license problem was identified. I've accepted it and it was automatically deinstalled. 5) After that when I use firefox, it started to crash again when it finds any flash content in a page and I realized it was because flashplugin have been deinstalled (at that time I wasn't aware of the HOLD_PKGS =['linuxpluginwrapper*' option to prevent it of being deinstalled and after deinstalled it didn't help to have it and try to install flashplugin again). 6) Then I tried to run linux-firefox. It hasn't crashed when it finds flash contents but couldn't play it too. But instead of crashing it showed an upper bar saying that a plugin is missing and ask if it can try to fetch and install it for me. I've said yes but unfortunately it's said it couldn't find an appropriate plugin and that I had to do it manually. 7) After that I've gave up and try to find anyone with the same problem in any forum. Then I've found this thread Re: Wanted: Flash player for browser_of_choice with interesting information about the subject but aparentely without any real solution, apart from asking adobe for a native version or a change in license. 8) Then I found someone saying that have tried gnash (GNU Flash movie player) without success either but that it could be a viable alternative. 9) So I tried to install gnash with the following command: sudo portupgrade -R -r -N -i gnash 10) Then I realized that it was better to gave it the WITH_FIREFOX=yes option and so I did: sudo vi /usr/ports/graphics/gnash/Makefile and included that option there (I don't know it there is a better way to ddo that) running the installation again with the command: sudo portupgrade -R -r -N -i -f gnash. This time it asked me where was the firefox binary and I pointed it to the linux-firefox binary that had installed in my system. 11) After that I tried to run linux-firefox again in a page with flash contents. And again it doesn't show any flash content but only the upper bar saying a plugin is missing. 12) I then tried to find any evidence that linux-firefox was aware of gnash in any way by inspecting about, tools menu, extensions etc, but without success. 13) Finally I clicked in the upper bar so that linux-firefox could try again to fetch and install flashplugin by itself. I was surprised when the progress bar start to move saying it has been found and was being installed. It finished successfully and after that linux-firefox started to show flash contents correctely and and when I right click in any flash contents I realized that it was flashplayer 7 that was running. I don't know what has changed to make it be able to install flashplugin
Wanted: Flash player for browser_of_choice....
Chris Maness wrote: --- Robert Huff Svein Halvor Halvorsen writes: I was pointed in this direction by their customer support: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishformprod... http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishformproduct=15 I just did mine. First I think we need to get FreeBSD added to the choices under Operating Systems, I don't think Freebsd falls under the category of Linux or Unknown. ~Mr. Anderson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Any new news on this situation? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wanted: Flash player for browser_of_choice....
On 4/12/06, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 06:20:26PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: On 4/12/06, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 02:11:12PM -0400, Andy Reitz wrote: On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Ashley Moran wrote: On Wednesday 12 April 2006 15:15, you wrote: I forwarded this license issue to an engineer I know there. His response was positive. We'll have to see how it goes with their management and legal. I lost track of the above email, but keep portmgr@ and the port maintainer in the loop with developments on this front. I submitted a query to Adobe customer support via their web site. The reply I got stated in part: Please note that Flash Player 8 is not supported in FreeBSD, thus it not mentioned on the End User License Agreement that Flash Player can download and installed on the operating system. It is not that the web player is prohibited in FreeBSD, but the operating system itself is not compatible with Flash Player. I have replied to them to point out that this statement is incorrect, that FreeBSD is entirely capable of running Flash Player, but FreeBSD users such as I are now prohibited from using Adobe products. I asked them if they want me to stop using it -- it will be interesting to see what they say. I also pointed out that if that was not their intent, they should consider changing the wording of the EULA. I think that if everyone who is speculating about this on this list were instead to submit their requests for clarification (not threats) to Adobe's customer support, it might get some attention from Adobe. Let's just wait to see what they say first, it could be irritating if dozens of people suddenly start asking the same questions. I think that if only one person questions this, their response will be that there aren't enough FreeBSD users to worry about. If several question it (politely), it might get a little attention somewhere above the front-line customer service level. Anyway, the answer I got is not highly enlightening. The most significant paragraph (I think): Please note that it is your option whether to install Flash Player on your FreeBSD; however, please note that we cannot provide you with any technical support, warranties or remedies for the software, although it is clearly stated on the End User License Agreement, the only authorized operating systems where you may download and install Flash Player. I'm pretty sure they are telling me that is up to me whether or not I break the law. I already knew that. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
