Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification

[Marco Achury]

Please illustrate me:

Define Stallmanitis

El 5/18/2016 a las 9:12 AM, Tom Ehlert escribió:
>>> Without DOSLFN, no support at all for long filenames?
>> Correct. Although, I hear the was another very buggy one that was
>> around before DOSLFN. I don’t know the name.
> THIS.IS.RIDICULOUS.
>
> one of the worst manifestations of Stallmanitis ever.
>
> bye
>
> Tom.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2+ Preview 12 - Now with Dimples

[Marco Achury]

Old knoppix distro live-cd has the option to boot knoppix linux or freedos,

On the isolinux prompt type "dos"

Sadly last time I tested they old pre1.0 freedos distro.  I asked editor 
to use an updated freedos image but they take everything from
debian repositories, and this is the Freedos image used by debian for 
dos emulator.



El 2/23/2016 a las 9:11 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. escribió:


On Feb 23, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Corbin Davenport 
> wrote:


Is there a possibility FreeDOS could install the GRUB manager by 
default on PCs with multiple partitions? Or even go a step further 
and try to detect an existing GRUB installation, and adding it's own 
menu item to it?


I don’t think it would be very practical to do under DOS. Especially, 
when a preexisting grub may exist on a separate linux partition.




Corbin

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 7:05 AM, Don Flowers > wrote:


OK - I have several PC's with varying modern installs (WIN7,
WIN10, Xubuntu)
residing along with various versions of MS-DOS and FreeDOS (even
a custom
FAT16 version of FreeDOS). I have created several rescue disks
and yet there is
always at least one install that either messes up my boot code
(usually fixable) or
deletes an entire partition even when hidden (thank you MS-DOS
6.2 and Windows 10).
The point being it happens and the inew install should have the
priority.
If one has "precious" data then one better have a backup before
installing.



This is how I am leaning now.

Having a non-booting DOS install after a normal installation really is 
not an acceptable behavior.


Therefore, I think in normal mode it should always just backup MBR to 
%DOSDIR%\ORIGINAL.BSS

and just zap it when it transfers the system files.



On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:43 AM, Felix Miata
> wrote:

Mateusz Viste composed on 2016-02-23 09:28 (UTC+0100):

> I'm going with Louis on this one. When installing FreeDOS,
I'd expect
> the installer to overwrite my MBR with clean boot code, so
I don't have
> any troubles booting FreeDOS post install. That's what
MS-DOS did, and
> that's what I expect from any OS in fact.

I expect more sophistication than such belligerence. Even
WinXP checks MBR
code compatibility, and leaves it undisturbed if OK.



Um, windows always trashed my boot loader on install in a multi-boot 
system.
It was always easiest to just install Windows, then install linux. 
That way I would

not have to fix it.



> Naturally, an appropriately big warning must be presented
before doing
> so, and if the user knows he has some tricky configuration
(multi-boot),
> he should be able to select an option "leave my MBR alone
please, I will
> take care of it myself".

This I find acceptable, and inconsistent with your previous
paragraph. All
the non-ancient Linux installers I'm familiar with allow the
MBR to be kept
undisturbed, even if it means the new Linux installation
seems won't be bootable.



I think this is in direct conflict with what Jim said he wanted.
Basically, only a few quick questions and you have finished installing.
However, if zapping the MBR is added. I will add a prompt in advanced mode
to not do it. Just like in advanced mode, you can change the install 
path, not

update config file, not transfer system files. etc.




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[Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution

[Marco Achury]

Looking at:

http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/

There are a lot of files.

Is this a Tex distribution or just some spre utils?

Where to look for Tex for DOS ?

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Re: [Freedos-user] HTTP_PROXY?

[Marco Achury]

Try last knoppix wich uses as default LXDE desktop
I run this system sucessfully on 300 mhz processor, 164 Mb ram. 
Take a long time to startup but later has an usable speed,
runing from CD, installing on HD will have higher speed.

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El 07/10/2013 03:13 p.m., Louis Santillan escribió:
 The mini cd is also under 30mb to download.

 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD

 -L

 On Monday, October 7, 2013, dmccunney wrote:

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  If I were to find a use for FreeDOS, it would be to eventually
 get a Hyperterminal-like program running in OpenGEM. Laptops with
 serial ports are rare these days, and the ones we have are so old
 that even XUbuntu runs slow.

 Don't run Xubuntu.  I went through that with an ancient notebook.
 Xubuntu would install and technically run, but was snail slow.

 Posters on the Ubuntu forums suggested the Ubuntu had a steadily
 advancing idea of what low end was, and that too much Gnome had
 crept into Xubuntu.  They suggested what I did: get the minimal CD,
 install to get a working CLI environment, then pick and choose other
 things via apt-get.  Lxde run on an ext4 file system is usable.

 And you may not want the latest Ubuntu release.  I had to wipe and
 start over from scratch after attempting to upgrade to 13.04.  It
 turns out the kernel in that release requires PAE support that my old
 machine doesn't have.  But the upgrade didn't check for that till the
 last step of installing the kernel.  The kernel install failed, the
 video system was hosed on reboot, and re-doing from scratch was the
 only real solution.

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Re: [Freedos-user] 'demo' fdnpkg repository with classic shareware games (test case for FDNPKG v0.95)

[Marco Achury]

El 11/07/2013 12:42 p.m., Mateusz Viste escribió:
 Hello,

 Just for fun, I created a gopher repository with a few shareware games 
 from the 90's. I used it mainly to test the FDNPKG gopher support.

 If you'd like to test it, you'd have to add such line in your FDNPKG.CFG 
 file:
 REPO gopher://gopher.viste-family.net/1/shareware


Testing your link, I noted that mozilla has not support for gopher protocol
About one or to years ago I surfed the gopherspace with firefox, today
I can't open your link...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Makehtml v0.0.1

[Marco Achury]

Lynx web browser for DOS can convert html to formatted text.


El 04/06/2013 01:17 a.m., dos386 escribió:
 Well, what program do you want written maybe I can help out with it
 Ideas, if you want to deal with HTML:

 1. HTML to text converter (with nice output) ... TOTALCOMMANDER has
 a such HTML viewer

 2. Simple offline HTML viewer, HTML to pixels (BMP or PNG) ... with
 tables and simple styles

 3. Wiki to HTML converter

 4. Wiki viewer (Wiki to text or Wiki to pixels)

 IMHO there is no point to start another browser, if you (later) want to
 deal with browsers, look at Arachne or Dillo.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Any Windows files useful for FreeDOS?

[Marco Achury]

El 16/05/2013 07:18 p.m., Marcos Favero Florence de Barros escribió:
 Hi,

 I got an old laptop with Windows 2000 Professional (NT). I will
 now change the file system to FAT16, and install FreeDOS.

 However, before erasing Windows, I'm wondering whether there are
 files, such as drivers or some such thing, which I should keep
 in order to use with FreeDOS.

 Would such drivers for Windows be of any use in FreeDOS? If so,
 which ones?

 Marcos

First check with a freedos live-cd if hard drive remains accesible.

If hard drive is higher than 8 Gb you will need to make partition.

If you have a big hard drive, I would prefer dual boot linux-freedos


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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos bootup trouble

[Marco Achury]

El 24/04/2013 10:14 a.m., Rugxulo escribió:
 Hi,

 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:35 AM, basteon bast...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 24 April 2013 03:52, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM, basteon bast...@gmail.com wrote:
 here how I making freedos iso...
 But it (still) doesn't work for you, right?

 I've try ke2041_86f32.zip and bare_dos content of *.img files in my
 freedos.img and it's not loading more then
 Loading boot sector ... boot
 Specifically, what did you do? Did you boot the floppy image under
 QEMU? Did you run SYS.COM on a FAT-formatted disk image? We need more
 details to give advice.  :-)

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Last time I did it, I had a real floppy drive unit.

- Create a real floppy, use format and sys as usual.
- Use rawwrite (DOS or WIN version) to create a image file
- Boot qemu with option /a

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Re: [Freedos-user] Display offset by 1 character

[Marco Achury]

This is a hardware problem.

Allmost any screen have a control to adjust the image position.

The modern lcd screens have an auto adjust function on the controls menu


El 02/04/2013 07:56 a.m., Raymond WARICHET escribió:
 Hi,
  
 When booting FreeDOS, my display is offset by 1 char, the leftmost character 
 is hidden:
 instead of C:\ODIN
 I see :\ODIN
 NB: this is not a hardware problem, as the display works fine with other OS
 I seem to remember from the early days, that the MODE CON: could help, but 
 don't find the right parameters.
  
 The command line help mentions Display, should I need a Config.sys and load 
 a driver ?
  
 Also, html help doesn't work, error message Unable to find help.html 
 although the file is in the current directory and  
 the path points to C:\ODIN\help\en. Any hint to make it work or a pointer to 
 the on-line help ?
  
 Thank you
  


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Re: [Freedos-user] New release of the Dillo web browser for DOS

[Marco Achury]

Amazing work. 

If you get abiword working on xwindows, you will get a modern looking
workstation able to open .doc, .docx and .odt files !!

Marco Achury


El 20/03/2013 02:44 p.m., Georg Potthast escribió:
 I made a new version of the Dillo internet browser for DOS. It is based on 
 version 3.0.2 of the Dillo browser and features SSL support now.

 It can be downloaded here:

 http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DILLODOS-302b.zip

 This are the new features:

 - SSL support
 - FTP file transfer support
 - printing web pages to postscript files
 - improved open file dialogs for opening stored web pages and storing 
 downloaded files
 - faster downloads of files
 - separate directory for downloaded files

 Please take a look at the updated USRGuide.pdf which is included in the 
 archive.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bios limitation at 8 gb, and new hdd

[Marco Achury]

On DOS this is a normal limitation.

There a program Ontrack Disk Manager that help you to format big
partitions.

You can left 1 or 2 partitions for DOS (8 Gb each) and the remaining
disk you
can use it with another operating system.

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El 09/02/2013 06:48 a.m., sakura kinomoto escribió:
 Hi all!
 I have a PC 1996 year, and bought a hd
 d, Samsung sp0802n, (maybe 2005 year), with 80 gigabites

 But my bios can see only (first) 8 gigabites
 I am newbie, so, please, tell me, what software can help?
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Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

[Marco Achury]

El 29/01/2013 11:11 a.m., bruce.bowman tds.net escribio':
 Any improvements to the current editors would be nice, but the
 following things don't strike me as particularly important:

 -- external fonts
 -- what language it was written in
 -- built-in BASIC interpreter
 -- calendar

 My biggest complaint about currently available editors are their
 restrictions on file size. A new editor should page the file in from
 disk as needed so as to avoid this restriction.

 It also seems like overkill for a text editor to operate in a graphics mode.

 Bruce


Do you propose built-in Basic language as macro language for text
processing? or a qbasic-like integrated IDE useable as editor?

I prefer a good text editor with the ability to launch aplication to
process the edited text, so you can launch any external language
interpreter.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Printer Drivers needed for old DOS programs

[Marco Achury]

On linux you can use Abiword or LibreOffice in order to open WP documents.


El 30/12/2012 01:39 p.m., Carl Spitzer escribió:
 On Sun, 2012-12-30 at 11:10 -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 I cannot say firmly if they can be crossed of course.
 Still printer drivers for wordperfect are kept current, as well as how to 
 use the program in a number of operating systems.
 visit.
 www.wpuniverse.com
 or simply google word perfect for dos.
 I cannot recall Edwin's direct site right now.
 Likewise hp is very good about keeping older printer drivers for their 
 products, so you may find what you need there.
 It could be very helpful seems WP DOS can be made to work in Linux which
 has no problems with USB the only issue would be conversion from
 WordSTAR 7.0 D format.  So that is definitely another potential solution
 otherwise Ill need to type the recipies in from scratch in which case
 OpenOffice / LibreOffice will do nicely.  Then there is all that
 scanning of newspaper recipies to start.

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[Freedos-user] WordStar documents

[Marco Achury]

Following this theme from another thread:

Word Star internal format is relativelly simple, in DOS era many
programs import WS data, and other programs as NortonCommander file
manager included WS viewer in order to quick see the text inside WS
document.

Check at:

http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads/downloads-fileconverters
http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads


This program look OK, includes C source, convert WS to RTF.

http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads/downloads-fileconverters?download=5:wsrtf

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Re: [Freedos-user] WordStar documents

[Marco Achury]

From the same site:

This program includes GPL license, may be you can consider to include it
on FreeDOS distro or in the software list

http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads/downloads-fileconverters?download=1:wsconen

El 31/12/2012 01:11 a.m., Marco Achury escribió:

 Following this theme from another thread:

 Word Star internal format is relativelly simple, in DOS era many
 programs import WS data, and other programs as NortonCommander file
 manager included WS viewer in order to quick see the text inside WS
 document.

 Check at:

 http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads/downloads-fileconverters
 http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads


 This program look OK, includes C source, convert WS to RTF.

 http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads/downloads-fileconverters?download=5:wsrtf

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Re: [Freedos-user] Made XP work okay...

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I had Warcraft II Tides of Darkness, is a DOS program, I used to run
this program on a Win95 machine with 16 MB of RAM.   Windows is required
in order to run scenary editor, but the game itself is a DOS program.

As long as I know Warcraft II battle net edition is a newer version,
but I have not experience with that.

There is a free alternative to warcraft II, Freecraft running on
linux, is not more under active development, with this program you can
to open .mud scenary files from Warcraft.

I have used freecraft, runs great  on a 160 Mb machine, using Damn Small
Linux, freecraft is available as package from DSL web.



El 26/12/2012 07:01 p.m., Rugxulo escribió:
 Hi again,

 On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Michael Robinson
 plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:
 I got my K6-2 500 with 504 megs of ram running XP SP3 well enough by
 turning off the swap file.  Don't let XP swap, Warcraft II works fine.
 500 MB should be plenty for XP. Seriously, I know software is always
 increasing requirements, but it's not reasonable (IMO) to need more
 than that. While I can't say I've ever played Warcraft 2, I don't
 think it would need much RAM, relatively, compared to newer stuff.

 http://www.mobygames.com/game/warcraft-ii-tides-of-darkness

 That says it is indeed a DOS (or Macintosh) game, surprisingly. So you
 only need Win32 for networking?? I think Mike Brutman said there was
 an experimental third-party build of DOSBox with NE2000 support.
 (Doesn't DOSBox support IPX??) Though if the game uses / needs
 Win32-specific stuff, you're probably out of luck.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_2

 This says it works on other OSes too. (Battle.net is a separate
 version? Which one do you have and use?) Linux, Amiga4, etc. Even
 Saturn and Playstation consoles supposedly run it. So, worst case
 scenario, you can use or grab one of those if your PC isn't good
 enough.

 The scsi hard drive, despite being a Seagate Cheetah, really slows the
 system down.  I don't let my Linux firewall allow this old machine to
 access the Net, so there are a LOT of protection programs I don't need
 to run.  I don't need spywareblaster, clamwin, spybot search and
 destroy, crap cleaner, or Windows defender for starters.
 In fairness, it's not MS' fault that so many viruses etc. target
 Windows. And yes, antiviruses make things worse a lot of times. It's
 more painful on older machines.

 I'm not 100% confident in the method I used to bypass activation.  Would
 Microsoft please distribute an activation crack and let people freely
 use 32 bit Windows XP at will?
 IIRC, Win2k didn't need activation and had smaller footprint, hence
 why many prefer it. But it wasn't ever targeted for home users, only
 pros. Still, you could probably find a copy on eBay.

 I've been studying Windows 7 verses Windows XP and honestly, it's a toss
 up.  Both systems are bloated and complex.
 When XP came out, it had much higher requirements than Win9x. But it
 offered a lot more, including better stability. But of course the DOS
 compatibility is much lower.  :-(

 Though XP is light years slimmer and more functional (for DOS) than
 later versions, even with the bloated SP3. So I would definitely not
 use Win7 in any capacity for DOS stuff unless you were willing to live
 exclusively inside emulators (DOSBox) or hypervisors (VirtualBox), aka
 slow and buggy.

 A ROM based dos system is
 more secure than even the typical Linux system and it's going to be
 light weight.  That's not saying much though, I can't compare Apples to
 Oranges and be fair about it.
 Dunno. Again, you could probably try something else like FreeBSD with
 emulator, esp. without X11. That should be fairly slim on RAM usage.

 http://wiki.minix3.org/en/UsersGuide/RunningOnBochs?action=showredirect=UsersGuide/RunningMinixOnBochs

 The ipxwrapper hack seems to force one to use Windows NT 4.0 or newer.
 If only someone would port ipxwrapper to freedos and write a program to
 create a DOS executable out of a Win32 app like Warcraft II BNE.  Add
 network card support for many of the current network cards and on mobo
 nics to that, there is suddenly no reason why Warcraft II can't be
 played on old computers using a: free, lean, and nice operating system.
 The Battle.net version is supposedly is Win32 native and uses TCP/IP.
 So if you can find that, that might be better for you than trying to
 get a DOS game working on NT (who [server OS] was never targeted for
 games, hence why MS didn't fix bugs there for Quake [DOS]).

 You're right, with enough motivation (and preferably source code), a
 motivated person could fix any of these issues and make it more DOS
 friendly. See Hexen2 [Quake-based], which (thanks to hard work of
 Ozkan Sezer and others) was re-ported back to DOS/DJGPP and works
 fabulously. But that is unlikely to happen for most games, esp. for
 DOS. People would rather work on Linux or Windows native ports (or
 64-bit) than anything else, apparently.

 Warcraft II and Freedos's 

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS compatibility with DOS applications

[Marco Achury]

El 03/07/2012 03:45 p.m., Jeffrey escribió:
 Hi,

 The earlier version of edit was essentially a compiled batch file that
 called qbasic with its editor personality.  I was *delighted* to see
 that finally changed.
 Is there a way to do this from the command line without edit?

 The reason is simple enough: what on earth would you *do* with qbasic
 on 32bit Windows?
 Yes, I'm just surprised they actually took the trouble to get rid of it

 Jeffrey


I was a qbasic fan.  Is a great language.  Freedos has a lot of
interpreters
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Re: [Freedos-user] fdupdate

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I think official freedos release must be just 2 or 3 floppies, as
MSDOS was
 Boot system + basic drivers and tools (and both, cdrom and floppy image
are required).

No package manager needed for this base system

Aditional to this, the community or any interested user can release
cdroms with
software collections.  Such collections may include a package manager or a
centralized install menu but is not required.

Simpler to understand and mantain.  Any person will install only the
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El 25/06/2012 05:23 p.m., Mateusz Viste escribió:
 Hello,

 I do agree with Rugxulo. Just adding my 2cts regarding FDUpdate (I'm the one 
 responsible for creating the monster).

 Since I too often don't have networking in native DOS, I've never
 relied on FDupdate. Presumably it can (or could) do so, but I don't
 know the specifics. I don't know if it updates your install or
 (presumably) only the .ZIP files themselves.
 The idea of FDUpdate was to provide some kind of semi-graphical manager that 
 would allow the average joe to add/update whatever packages in its system.
 To do so, FDUpdate downloads a list of available pakages from the FreeDOS 
 repository (the URL of the repository is configurable via a configuration 
 file), then it presents the list in a pseudo graphical menu with some 
 descriptions about every package, and let the user to choose packages to 
 install.
 FDUpdate is, however, just a nifty frontend. In the background it calls wget 
 or htget (the downloader backend is configurable) to download the *.zip files 
 into a temp directory, and then it calls FDPKG to install these zip files.
 All this would be great, but - as Rugxulo already noted - there is far too 
 few packages online to make FDUPDATE actually useable in real life. There are 
 also some minor (mostly cosmetic) bugs here and there, which I didn't ever 
 cared to fix, as I quite quickly lost hope, as the whole packaging work was 
 way more than what I could ever handle on my free time... and without 
 packages, a packager is, well, useless.

 Yes, you pretty much have to install or update things manually. I hate
 to say it, but FDupdate seems like a failed experiment.
 Indeed. 'Failed experiment' is a term that describes FDUpdate quite 
 accurately. Altough I prefer to think about it as a 'proof of concept' work ;)

 In other words - don't put any hope into using FDUPDATE for any serious 
 update of your FreeDOS system. FDUPDATE will probably never be useable - 
 unless suddenly there is an army of volunteers that starts massively 
 populating the FDUPDATE repository (which is highly unlikely to ever happen 
 anyway).

 Ciao,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Virtual floppy change problem with VirtualBox

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El 16/05/2012 12:03 p.m., Wolfgang Schechinger escribió:
 Dear experts, 

 I have some floppy images I want to use with FreeDos that is running in a VM 
 (VirtualBox). The images work fine with e.g. Windows in such an environment.

 However with the virtual FreeDos, disk changes are not recognized: Only the 
 first Image that has been used after boot is show with e.g. dir, even when 
 the image has been remove or replaced.

 I suppose that the problem is how to tell FreeDos that the disk has changed.

 Anything I could do?

 Thanks for your help!

 Wo

 PS The host system is Opensuse Linux 11.4

After, shutdown and reboot freedos, your changes appear on new sessions?
Say you create a new text file, close VM and start it again. Your text
file is there?

On a linux host, the VM needs permissions to write on image file.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Unicode support in languages

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El 13/04/2012 10:03 a.m., Alex escribió:
 Just to save me some time, instead of going through all the forums and
 the documentation files (which would take forever), I ask this
 question to you all: which of the (FreeDOS-based) languages support
 Unicode?

 More specifically, does anyone know if Turbo Pascal can support UTF-8?
 Is there any library/module for this purpose?

 Thanks to all in advance

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Classic DOS on text mode can show on screen codepages with 256 charaters
(1 byte per character).  Not sure but I think this is a hardware
limitation on the original x86 systems that was never changed because
everybody moved to graphics mode.  Would be great have hardware with
support text modes with 2 bytes per character (256*256 = 65.536
characters per codepage)

Your programs on graphics mode can emulate unicode painting any
character on screen.

Read this page (old):
http://czyborra.com/unifont/

On this page explain a method to codify complex characters on a nice Hex
format that you draw on the screen.

The complete original font is here:
http://czyborra.com/unifont/unifont.hex.gz

Based on Mr Czyborra's work, some people has been working on it with a
lot of enhacements.
www.unifoundry.com

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Re: [Freedos-user] Unicode support in languages

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El 13/04/2012 10:14 a.m., Mateusz Viste escribió:
 I doubt you will find any DOS language that supports Unicode 'out of the box'.
 However, there are Unicode-enabled DOS programs out there, so I'd say your 
 best shot is to take a look inside them.

 Blocek is a unicode editor written in Pascal:
 http://www.laaca-mirror.ic.cz/

 FoxType is a UTF8 text viewer written in FreeBasic:
 http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/dos/en/foxtype.htm

 bye,
 Mateusz



Euphoria language uses atoms with 2 bytes per character, so the
sequences used to store text support values from 0 to 65536, and you can
manipulate them with any of the standar text functions.  The problem is
to print characters, you can use the Czyborra's method I explain on
prior mail

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Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS

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El 10/04/2012 10:07 a.m., Alex escribió:
 Hi

 This topic is not about DOS vs other operating systems, or the fact
 that users tend to gradually abandon DOS. It's about the survivability
 of DOS vis-a-vis hardware.
 The starting point for my reasoning is: what will happen with the
 future development of the hardware architectures? So far DOS has fared
 relatively well, in the sense that it can still run even on 32bit and
 64bit architectures, despite the fact that it does not fully support
 them. Now the question is: will it always be like this? Or will there
 come a point when, due to a radical CPU redesign, we won't be able to
 even use DOS any longer on newer machines? What are the chances of
 this happening?
...

Nothing last forever... 

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Re: [Freedos-user] 32 bit FreeDOS?

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El 07/04/2012 01:02 p.m., Ralf A. Quint escribió:
 At 03:15 AM 4/7/2012, Alex wrote:
 In the recent threads there have been many mentions to the fact that
 FreeDOS is only 16bit (of course, that is what it is meant to be)
 and that it is out of touch with the modern computing world.

Check Kolibri OS, is very nice 32 bits, simple,
ligth, GUI, boot from floppy...

The sole thing is missing there is a DOS
emulator so we can run our beloved DOS
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Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

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El 06/04/2012 01:25 p.m., Eric Auer escribió:
 Hi!

 Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS?

 Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories:

 1) Text-mode GUIs
 2) Graphical GUIs

 So, which GUI(s) would you recommend for each category?
 Maybe unrelated but: File Maven is a freeware text-mode GUI
 file manager which has a sort of laplink clone built in. And
 the Arachne web browser has some aspects of a graphical GUI.

 The most comprehensive GUIs are probably Windows (3.0, 3.1 or
 Windows for Workgroups 3.11, all non-free, 3.x standard mode
 works okay, WfW and 386enh mode can be hard, too much RAM as
 well) and GEM. There is a free GEM distro by Shane, see also:

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengem/files/
 http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=8126

 Unfortunately, the more complete ShaneLand GEM website in UK
 is down. Shane can now be reached at Opendawn, Japan, I hope.

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On my taste Norton Commander (or any of their clones) is the best text
mode GUI.
I think File Maven uses the same double panel.

The are a lot of NC clones, some are updated for long file name support


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Re: [Freedos-user] Catch-all Repository for legacy DOS

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El 06/04/2012 02:36 p.m., Eric Auer escribió:
 Hi :-) A nice thread to ponder some free alternatives for
 all those fine classic DOS programs from back then :-)

 Rugxulo: What was DOS most famous for?

 In office software:  Lotus 1-2-3 *and clones), DBase 3 and 3.5,
   Paradox, QuattroPro, Javelin,  MS Project
 As Lotus 1-2-3 is a spreadsheet, see below in the math realm
 for some alternative suggestions :-) Same for Quattro Pro by
 Borland and apparently Javelin by Javelin.



About spreadsheets:

Visical is available for download for non commercial use at author web
page.

Turbo C 2.01, available for download from borland museum, includes
as example the source code for a simple spreadsheet named mcalc.

Not sure if you can redistribute, but you can download TC and compile
mcalc.c and you will get a mcalc.exe (just 105KB), a quick and simple
spreadsheet you can use for calculations.  limited to 100 rows, able to
print formatted tables to plain text file, so is easy to include the tables
on your favorite text processor.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Catch-all Repository for legacy DOS software

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El 02/04/2012 03:35 p.m., dmccunney escribió:
 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Mark Brown eufdp...@yahoo.com wrote:
 as usual, we all need more and better freeware,
 and like the gnu flag says, free thinking...

 maybe someday someone will invent an operating system
 that promotes user programming instead of suppresses it.
 blink

 Linux does.  It's open source.  You can get the code and modify it, or
 create complete new code.  So does Android (which is based on a Linux
 kernel.)  For that matter, the APIs for Windows and OS/X are
 [published, and you can create code to run under them.  Thousands of
 people do.

 Of course, you *do* have to learn to program, and *no* OS can relieve
 you of that.
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But is easier to learn how to write DOS programs than Windows or Linux
programs.
DOS is a great OS to introduce programming.

A simple programming language as Qbasic or Euphoria give you near
total control over your hardware and OS functions.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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El 04/02/2012 09:45 a.m., Jim Hall escribió:


 On Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com
 mailto:dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Whether this works will depend upon your BIOS.  The box I have FreeDOS
  on will boot from a USB floppy drive, but *not* from a USB stick.
  BIOS limitation.  I can't see a USB stick from FreeDOS either, because
  no driver is available that can do it.  (I've looked at the USB
  drivers for FreeDOS, and they don't handle the method the box uses.)

 Many BIOSes support USB sticks under DOS using legacy emulation or
 legacy mode, but it is possible that your BIOS is not one of these.

 Kind of surprised that your BIOS doesn't support booting from USB,
 though. I thought that was something every BIOS supported, and it
 should be OS-independent. But maybe yours is an older machine?

 jh



I had 2 old Compaq machines (a laptop and a desktop), both pre-PIII
machines that had USB port but dont support boot from USB.

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[Freedos-user] C compiler

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Dear Sirs

Is there any official or recommended C compiler for Freedos?

Would be great if such compiler come included on the distro so
the user can create their own programs.

I know djgpp and Watcom, are both compilers under active
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Re: [Freedos-user] x windows server for DOS

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El 10/01/2012 02:51 a.m., nospam escribió:
 You may also be able to use Nano-X / NXlib which I have ported to DOS:

 http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/

 The port of the Dillo browser is based on this.

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Looks like a better option, specially because is a current project and
is free.
I see the download lists and I dont undersand what is that we must to
download.

http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/list

Is needed to download their djgpp package in order the run the
calculator and other examples?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Problem with download Re: FreeDOS 1.1 released

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El 05/01/2012 04:33 p.m., Robert Riebisch escribió:
 Marco Achury wrote:

 I thougth that my problem with download was caused by firefox, so I
 tried ftp program from winXP command line and dont works, Filezilla the
 same.  I tried ftp.microsoft.com ftp://ftp.microsoft.com and some
 other well know ftp servers, and none works, so I am sure the wifi
 conection I am using has locked ftp port...
 What security software (antivirus  firewall) is installed?

 Robert Riebisch

WinXP + AVG Antivirus + Windows Firewall

But I am at a place without landline phone, I am conecting using a WiFi
conection from a small company.  I am suspicious the have locked ftp
port.   But the torrent worked well.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released

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I have discovered the wifi connection I am using have a locked ftp port...

May be someone is so kind to start a torrent and inform where to
download :-)

BTW thepiratebay.org reports 3 torrents for the iso 1.0


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El 03/01/2012 06:10 p.m., James Hall escribió:
 On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote:
 I cant connect ibiblio today, Appear that freedos release has colapsed the
 servers :-)

 Would be interesting to get downloads statistics in order to know how many
 people around the world is following freedos development...


 I haven't had any problems from Minnesota (ibiblio is located in North
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released

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hmmm no idea what is the problem.  On http link I can get the directory
listing, I can read announce.txt but cant download the file.

El 04/01/2012 01:18 p.m., Ralf A. Quint escribió:
 At 09:34 AM 1/4/2012, Marco Achury wrote:

 I have discovered the wifi connection I am using have a locked ftp port...
 That won't cause any problems, as there is an http download link 
 presented on the FreeDOS download page for your convenience as well. ;-)

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[Freedos-user] Problem with download Re: FreeDOS 1.1 released

[Marco Achury]

I thougth that my problem with download was caused by firefox, so I
tried ftp program from winXP command line and dont works, Filezilla the
same.  I tried ftp.microsoft.com and some other well know ftp servers,
and none works, so I am sure the wifi conection I am using has locked
ftp port...

Finally following Ralf's advice I tried the http link, but http link is
redirected to ibiblio's ftp.

See my wget output.

C:\Archivos de programa\wgetwget
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/free
dos/files/distributions/1.1/fd11src.iso
--16:07:34-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org:80/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distrib
utions/1.1/fd11src.iso
   = `fd11src.iso'
Connecting to www.ibiblio.org:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location:
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1
.1/fd11src.iso [following]
--16:07:39-- 
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org:21/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distribu
tions/1.1/fd11src.iso
   = `fd11src.iso'
Connecting to ftp.ibiblio.org:21...
connect: No such file or directory

So, ibiblio dont offer a http download for your iso file.

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El 04/01/2012 01:18 p.m., Ralf A. Quint escribió:
 At 09:34 AM 1/4/2012, Marco Achury wrote:

 I have discovered the wifi connection I am using have a locked ftp port...
 That won't cause any problems, as there is an http download link 
 presented on the FreeDOS download page for your convenience as well. ;-)

 That's btw the link I tested the other day...

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released

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The torrent worked for me, thanks a lot.

I think that torrent protocol is designed to look for a free port.

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El 04/01/2012 06:11 p.m., James Hall escribió:
 And in a few minutes, we'll have a torrent seed, thanks to our friends
 at ibiblio.
 :-)
 That's working fine as well, about 3x as fast as http, with only 1
 peer when I started (myself?, shows 6 peers by the time I was finished).

 But would be surprised if that would work for Marco, that an ISP
 blocks FTP but NOT torrent traffic... :-\

 Agreed. Maybe one of the mirrors I mentioned in my other post will
 work for Marco.

 Note that I only commented out the list of mirrors. If you view the
 html source of www.freedos.org/freedos/files, you will be able to see
 URLs to all of the mirror sites. I'll re-add the (working) mirrors
 over the weekend.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released

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I cant connect ibiblio today, Appear that freedos release has colapsed
the servers :-)

Would be interesting to get downloads statistics in order to know how
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El 02/01/2012 12:07 a.m., jhall escribió:
 Congratulations!!!



 On Jan 1, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote:

 I'm happy to announce that the FreeDOS 1.1 distribution is finally 
 available, including sources to all packages.  You'll notice it's quite 
 a basic version, lacking some features and programs that were present in 
 the 1.0 release. I'm planning on restoring functionality in the 1.2 release.

 Please see www.freedos.org for more information about this 40MB CD-ROM 
 image.

 Happy new year everyone!

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[Freedos-user] Euphoria library for DOS

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At http://www.rapideuphoria.com/ is announced as recent user contibution
a library by Tom Janes for graphic programming on Freedos

http://www.temporalphysics.org/sources/DOS_API.ZIP

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Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS

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I have not tested dillo for DOS; just the win32 port (on wich DOS port
is based)

Win32 port have problems with code pages on non-english texts.  See this
example:

http://tinypic.com/r/2exmpgi/5

Was this solved on DOS version

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El 21/11/2011 02:35 p.m., James Hall escribió:
 Thanks!

 Looks like Dillo doesn't support background images in CSS, and/or the
 display:none directive, so it's displaying the word FreeDOS in the
 H1 instead of an image. I can fix that on the web site.



 On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here is a screenshot of freedos.org using dillo for Win32 and  View mobile
 site

 http://tinypic.com/r/2q18ig0/5


 El 21/11/2011 09:02 a.m., jhall escribió:

 I guess I need to find some time to install Dillo and see what is not
 rendering properly on the FreeDOS site. My guess is Dillo does not implement
 all of the CSS that I am using there. Most likely, it is breaking on
 absolute placement (this would mean the tabs show up at the bottom, as
 would the left-hand links.)

 I wonder if a workaround would be to detect Dillo on the web site, and
 treat it like a mobile browser so it gets the simplified pages. If you click
 on View mobile site in the footer, does the page look okay?

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[Freedos-user] batch programming language

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Long messages have appeared from people that want a multitasking DOS.

A more realistic goal to Freedos may be to expand the batch programming
language to be compatible with newer windows versions, but keeping retro
compatible with DOS batch programs.

Look this nice code that we cant run on Freedos

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Re: [Freedos-user] Heads up: DOS ain't dead forum is closing

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Would be great to keep the forum archive, at least for read-only so
people ca nsearch answers to old questions, this is an important
knowledge base.

El 13/09/2011 07:30 p.m., Michael B. Brutman escribió:
 Here is the link to the announcement:

 http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=10488


 To me this is a serious problem - losing a piece of the DOS community is 
 bad.  Losing the place where a lot of the programmers hang out is even 
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Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...

[Marco Achury]

ReactOS ha one more problem, they must to avoid a lawsuit against
microsoft,
they must to know who is the contributor, they need to know that
contributor have
not access to microsoft's source code.

El 07/09/2011 05:19 p.m., Michael C. Robinson escribió:
 Freedos has it's place.  Unlike ReactOS, Freedos actually works most of
 the time.  Partially due to the fact the Freedos is based on something
 that is far less complex of course.  This is OT, but the relevance is
 that people suggest using ReactOS if and when Windows is wanted here.
 As far as don't talk about religion, politics, etcetera, I didn't intend
 to really.  An IRC chat channel about ReactOS is political by nature
 though where the ReactOS devs and moderators clearly have their own
 troublesome politics.  More troubling, I was threatened with arrest if I
 get on the ReactOS forums or IRC channel using a different name.  For an
 open source project, it seems to me that the developers and moderators
 are trying to exert a lot of control over people.  Professionalism is
 completely alien to the ReactOS community as far as I can tell, this is
 unfortunate and it is why I am recommending the formation of a new
 community to take over the project.

 Concerning sanction, that could shape up the current developers.  There
 need to be consequences for unprofessionalism, faschism, etcetera.  I
 honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis.  Saying it is
 open source, it cannot be censored for this reason, is dangerous.  On
 this mailing list, talk like that seen on ReactOS IRC is not allowed.
 The people talking like misbehaved children, not the victims, would be
 banned from this list.

 Freedos is a great system for running orphanware and it is a great
 system for someone who needs to learn about operating systems.  I hope
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[Freedos-user] Fwd: Running (Free)DOS from ROM

[Marco Achury]

This is an interested thread on usenet


 Mensaje original 
Asunto: Running (Free)DOS from ROM
Fecha: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:08:37 -0700 (PDT)
De: Ruud ruud.baltis...@gmail.com
Organización: http://groups.google.com
Grupos de noticias:
comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.os.msdos.misc,alt.os.free-dos

Hallo allemaal,


I'm hobbying more then a bit with some old IBM PC-XT (compatibles).
And I found an old REX EPROM card capable of handling up to sixteen
27512s, good for 1 MByte of data. IMHO enough to contain the most used
files of FreeDOS or MS-DOS. But how to do it?

I know I need a kind of device driver to tell DOS with what device, in
this case the EPROM card, is dealing. Problem: drivers are only loaded
_after_ various other files have been loaded. The PC knows this
because the BIOS contains info how to deal with a floppy drive. Or
with an hard disk drive thanks to the EPROM on the HDD card. Having
written
my own BIOS which I can adapt to my own needs, I won't need an extra
EPROM though :)

I'm sure I could figure it out myself after some time (I think) but if
anybody has done this before and wants to share the knowledge, I would
be very pleased!

Thank you very much in advance!


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[Freedos-user] Visicalc

[Marco Achury]

Visicalc (the first spreadsheet) is now free
to download for non-comercial use only.

http://www.danbricklin.com/history/vclicense.htm

Would be nice to include it on freedos software list.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Why I use FreeDOS

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Really is a great marketing oportunity.  There a lot of great linux
distros that never
have received the oportunity to be marketed by HP and Dell

What iso image they include on their machines? By sure 1.0
Would be great to have a new iso image with newer kernel, usb sotrage
support
and more apps, a lot of games so more people have a chance to test it.


Would be great a Freedos as live-DVD, full of games and apps, so the people
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El 06/06/2011 07:49 a.m., Pat Villani escribió:
 Oh, I know that.  Last year I spent several months talking to them and
 HP was bold enough to say WHo needs you.  It's free.  Complete
 ignorance on their part, which makes me very happy I left the several
 years ago.

 Point is that they do distribute it and it is an opportunity to
 possibly showcase future enhancements.  Also, there are people who
 purchase them for legacy applications, although under the
 misunderstanding that HP will support FreeDOS.  I've heard from plenty
 of those people.

 Pat


 On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de
 mailto:t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:


  See HP, Dell, Asus, etc.  They all happen to ship FreeDOS on
 their systems.

 See HP, Dell, Asus, and you will learn quickly that FreeDOS is a
 synonym for 'without operating system', intended for people that
 install their own OS (which is most likely NOT FreeDOS)





  On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Willi Wasser wiw...@web.de
 mailto:wiw...@web.de wrote:

   You'd probably be amazed at how many embedded and industrial
 control
  systems are based on DOS.
 
  Indeed! If someone pointed me out precize brands and models of
 systems that
  nowadays still use DOS i would really be amazed. (Are those
 systems just
  still around, or is there even real active development?) My
 personal
  experience is different. The last time i professionally came in
 touch with
  DOS was in late 1999. That's more than a decade ago. In the rapidly
  developing IT busyness this is almost an eternity.
 
  Is this phenomenon (if it really exists) perhaps limited to certain
  busynesses or certain parts of the world? It might be
 interesting to have
  some kind of survey.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Why I use FreeDOS

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El 05/06/2011 09:56 a.m., Willi Wasser escribió:
 You'd probably be amazed at how many embedded and industrial control systems 
 are based on DOS.
 Indeed! If someone pointed me out precize brands and models of systems that 
 nowadays still use DOS i would really be amazed. (Are those systems just 
 still around, or is there even real active development?) My personal 
 experience is different. The last time i professionally came in touch with 
 DOS was in late 1999. That's more than a decade ago. In the rapidly 
 developing IT busyness this is almost an eternity.

 Is this phenomenon (if it really exists) perhaps limited to certain 
 busynesses or certain parts of the world? It might be interesting to have 
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There are great recovery software working with DOS:

- Photorec / TestDisk http://www.cgsecurity.org/
- Ultimate Boot CD

Any computer (new or old) with broken hard disk may become a funny game
machine
running games from cd.  Few time ago I did this with a friend's computer.

Would be to have a web server running on a dedicated DOS machine.

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[Freedos-user] Word processing

[Marco Achury]

Is available any new wordprocessor for DOS?

On this old talk recommend msword for DOS (free as free beer)
http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/free-word-processor/16280.html

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Re: [Freedos-user] Code pages in dot-matrix printers

[Marco Achury]

Sounds very interesting.

Look around for the TT font named GNU Unifont, contains a very big
subset of unicode
and is not vectorial, is based on bitmaps, looks ready for dot matrix
printing.

Your gliph file is freely available?

Best regards

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El 06/05/2011 03:30 a.m., Henrique Peron escribió:
 Yes Eric,

 now that you mentioned that, it was what I did with that Epson LX-800 
 printer that I had - but, as I had said, I used MS-DOS 6.0 and QBASIC 
 for that. Developing a wholly independent program for that is something 
 else - which I don't know how.

 My question is still up, Eric: Would you be interested? I know that you 
 said regarding your question but I think I didn't understand what you 
 meant. Let me see - your idea was to give coordinates on how to do the 
 whole thing? If it was that, it was helpless. I'm sorry. It seems that 
 you have the knowledge to develop the printer driver (well, a program 
 that would send pixel data to printers). I could enter with the info on 
 the pixel data itself.

 I have a huge text file with many glyphs in the format below. You'll see 
 the Euro sign as an example. That huge text file is composed primarily 
 by extracted data from the 8x16 font files of all codepages that I had 
 prepared for FreeDOS' CPI files until 2006. That was part of a 
 partnership between me and Mateusz Viste for his Foxtype Unicode text 
 file viewer for FreeDOS. He provided the software that extracted data 
 from the font files. In a following step, I edited that huge text file 
 directly to enter more Unicode chars which weren't (some still aren't) 
 part of any codepage.

 #20AC
 
 
 
 ....
 .@@..@@.
 @@..
 @...
 @@..
 
 @@..
 @@..
 .@@..@@.
 ....
 
 
 


 The number refers to the hex code (Unicode). Naturally, every dot would 
 be a 0 and every @ would be a 1; with a little math, we have pixel 
 data for any printer.

 The following step would be to create association files. I would prepare 
 them.

 Let's say that we would have a file called CP858.TXT, which would be 
 checked by, let's say, PRINTER.EXE. There would be a line which would 
 read:

 D5, 20AC

 Then, I would run
 C:\ PRINTER 858

 Now, PRINTER.EXE knows that it would have to check CP858.TXT. If, when 
 intercepting data being sent to a printer, it receives byte D5h, it 
 would send the glyph code 20AC from the text file I have here.

 You see, Bert and Eric, that in what concerns the characters themselves, 
 I have that figured out already (ok, perhaps I missed something - if you 
 feel that to be the case, please let me know). However, in what concerns 
 *how to send the data to the printer*, someone else will be needed for that.

 I think that you both agree that we could forget about the idea of 
 developing software to extract data from CPI files (no matter who would 
 do that). That leaves another variable out of the equation and 
 simplifies the whole process, in my opinion.

 Cheers,
 Henrique


 Em 5/5/2011 20:09, Eric Auer escreveu:
 Hi Henrique, Bret,

 interesting to know that there's someone out there, familiar to FreeDOS,
 still using those 9-pin printers. At least here in Brazil they're still
 used on lots of places because of their low operational cost.

 Well, Eric and Konstantyn... So much for the museum idea!
 Well... We had a 24 pin printer 20 years ago and I patched some closed
 source tools which were hardcoded for a 9 pin printer from 25-30 years
 ago to work with that new printer when the old 9 pin broke, so... ;-)

 Anyway, regarding your question and the comment from Bret: I think you
 can do quite a bit with ESC/P, HP PCL and PostScript when you stick to
 basic feature sets, as those tend to be in the common denominator of
 things supported by different variants of said printer languages. You
 can check the FreeDOS GRAPHICS source codes for the general idea if
 you like, Bret :-)

 The short story for printing text as graphics is as follows: You send
 some ESC sequence to initiate graphics mode, then you send a header
 sequence saying that N columns of pixel data follow and then you send
 the pixel data as either 1 or 3 bytes per column (8 or 24 pins used).

 For 24 pins, you can either scale a VGA font, increase margins, or both,
 or design a special printer font. I think scaling 8x8 would be a bit
 pointless (can just use low quality 8 pin mode then, even 24 pin head
 printers support that) so I would either go for 8x16 and leave 8 pins
 unused (line spacing and thus papere movement per line of graphics are
 adjustable after all) or try to tweak-scale 8x14 to ca 2 times 8x12.

 For PostScript and HP PCL, the pixel data formats are different, but
 you can be very creative with PostScript anyway. Actually uploading
 a font might be a good choice for the latter, or turning the font to
 some sort of rendering macro that you would send as header before
 the text that you want to be printed

Re: [Freedos-user] Code pages in dot-matrix printers

[Marco Achury]

Henrique:

Read this: http://czyborra.com/unifont/

Unifont uses 8x16 matrix for latin characters and many others with low
complexity.  For chinese and
other complex characters use 16x16, so complex chartacters will take 2
text positions on the
printed output.

The hex unifont is at: http://www.czyborra.com/unifont/unifont.hex.gz

examples on the above page:

0041:   



---##---
--#--#--
--#--#--
-##-
-##-
-##-
-##-
-##-
-##-
-##-



4E21:   

-#--
---#
---#
--###---
--###---
--#-#--#--#-#---
--#-#--#--#-#---
--#-#--#--#-#---
--#-#--#--#-#---
--#-###-#---
--#-#-#-#---
--#-#---
--###---



El 06/05/2011 02:38 p.m., Henrique Peron escribió:
 Freely available, Marco. I just didn't upload it into the FreeDOS 
 database because it was meant for (my) internal work only. I sent a copy 
 of that huge file to Viste for him to include it as an internal database 
 for his Foxtype Unicode text file viewer.

 However, should any software developer be interested on that, I could 
 upload it into the FreeDOS database so that I would maintain it. There 
 would always be new glyphs to be included. Therefore, I would always 
 keep updating that huge text file. Let me call it a glyph database.

 That GNU Unifont bitmap file you mentioned is better in a way, because 
 it is far more comprehensive than mine. However, it bases its characters 
 on a 16x16 matrix, instead of an 8x16 one. Anyway, I'll e-mail the author.

 Thank you for the info!

 Best regards,
 Henrique Peron

 Em 6/5/2011 14:12, Marco Achury escreveu:
 Sounds very interesting.

 Look around for the TT font named GNU Unifont, contains a very big 
 subset of unicode
 and is not vectorial, is based on bitmaps, looks ready for dot matrix 
 printing.

 Your gliph file is freely available?

 Best regards

 Marco Achury


 El 06/05/2011 03:30 a.m., Henrique Peron escribió:
 Yes Eric,

 now that you mentioned that, it was what I did with that Epson LX-800
 printer that I had - but, as I had said, I used MS-DOS 6.0 and QBASIC
 for that. Developing a wholly independent program for that is something
 else - which I don't know how.

 My question is still up, Eric: Would you be interested? I know that you
 said regarding your question but I think I didn't understand what you
 meant. Let me see - your idea was to give coordinates on how to do the
 whole thing? If it was that, it was helpless. I'm sorry. It seems that
 you have the knowledge to develop the printer driver (well, a program
 that would send pixel data to printers). I could enter with the info on
 the pixel data itself.

 I have a huge text file with many glyphs in the format below. You'll see
 the Euro sign as an example. That huge text file is composed primarily
 by extracted data from the 8x16 font files of all codepages that I had
 prepared for FreeDOS' CPI files until 2006. That was part of a
 partnership between me and Mateusz Viste for his Foxtype Unicode text
 file viewer for FreeDOS. He provided the software that extracted data
 from the font files. In a following step, I edited that huge text file
 directly to enter more Unicode chars which weren't (some still aren't)
 part of any codepage.

 #20AC
 
 
 
 ....
 .@@..@@.
 @@..
 @...
 @@..
 
 @@..
 @@..
 .@@..@@.
 ....
 
 
 


 The number refers to the hex code (Unicode). Naturally, every dot would
 be a 0 and every @ would be a 1; with a little math, we have pixel
 data for any printer.

 The following step would be to create association files. I would prepare
 them.

 Let's say that we would have a file called CP858.TXT, which would be
 checked by, let's say, PRINTER.EXE. There would be a line which would
 read:

 D5, 20AC

 Then, I would run
 C:\  PRINTER 858

 Now, PRINTER.EXE knows that it would have to check CP858.TXT. If, when
 intercepting data being sent to a printer, it receives byte D5h, it
 would send the glyph code 20AC from the text file I have here.

 You see, Bert and Eric, that in what concerns the characters themselves,
 I have that figured out already (ok, perhaps I missed something - if you
 feel that to be the case, please let me know). However, in what concerns
 *how to send the data to the printer*, someone else will be needed for that.

 I think that you both agree that we could forget about the idea of
 developing software to extract data from CPI files (no matter who would
 do that). That leaves another variable out of the equation and
 simplifies the whole process, in my opinion.

 Cheers,
 Henrique


 Em 5/5/2011

Re: [Freedos-user] Code pages in dot-matrix printers

[Marco Achury]

I found very interesting that all the required sizes are multiple of six,
so is wise that glyph designer to use a matrix with 6 pixels...

Only 9 pins high-res is exact multiple of eigth

A simple way is to reduce the character with is to look for 2 consecutive
columns with the same bits, and delete one (as contain redundant
information)
You need to deleted 2 columns on each glyph to get a 6 columns matrix.

But to get beauty characters with good simetry is better to do such job
by hand.
How many characters has you database?
A good text editor with column mode (as crimson editor) will help


El 07/05/2011 12:35 a.m., Henrique Peron escribió:
 Alain, the answer is to interpolate the glyphs but I don't know how to 
 do it - by the way, at least on what concerns Epson printers, I think 
 that there's a native way to interpolate low-resolution glyphs. Anyone 
 wishing to develop the printer driver would also have to check Panasonic 
 documentation.

 Henrique

 Em 6/5/2011 23:01, Alain Mouette escreveu:
 In the printes, fonts should have

 Low Res  9 pin: 72/6 = 12 pixels
 Low Res 24 pin: 180/6= 30 pixels
 Hi Res   9 pin: 144/6= 24 pixels
 Hi Res  24 pin: 360/6= 60 pixels

 This for the whole line (glyph + spacing). Can tou imagine how to
 convert your database to work with these resolutions?

 Alain

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Re: [Freedos-user] Code pages in dot-matrix printers

[Marco Achury]

If you inform manufacturer and model is easier to find help.
Many Epson printers use Esc/C control language, also I remember
was possible to make a hardware config with litltle switches.


El 04/05/2011 07:23 a.m., escape escribió:
 Hello Henrique

 I have an good-old dot-matrix printer, but unfortunately without any
 manual. But I think it's not a big problem, as in-printer codepage can
 be printed. Still I bet, that in this case there is only two options
 possible: cp437 or some slight variation of cp866. I will send you
 results as soon, as I can get some time to recover it from storage, set
 it up and print-out ASCII-chart.


 On 28.04.11 10:05, Henrique Peron wrote:
 Hi all,

 is there anyone out there which happens to have user guides/reference 
 manuals of those old dot-matrix printers?

 If so, there are, in general, pages on those guides that show tables of 
 characters (Code pages).

 My e-mail address is hperon AT terra.com.br ; in case someone wants to 
 help me, I could be contacted through the e-mail address just informed.

 The idea is to convert all useful info into new codepages for FreeDOS. 
 Let me mention two cases as examples: I've been looking (for a few years 
 already) for the description of codepages 854 and 776.

 Thanks in advance.

 Henrique Peron


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[Freedos-user] OpenEuphoria project looking for DOS developers.

[Marco Achury]

A serious bug keep frozen the development of Euphoria programming language
for DOS about one year.  Now the bug appear to be solved and is needed
testing
and help to update the DOS branch with new features included on Win and
Linux.

cid:part1.04090108.07090704@gmail.comSee at:
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[Freedos-user] Warning, dont left your freedos cd on the computer!!!

[Marco Achury]

I left my FreeDOS 1.0 CD and shutdown the computer
My mother (that can´t read english) turn on the computer and the
computer boot fro the cd.
The she seen an unkown menu press enter several times.  Result, she
begins a FreeDOS install
on my computer first HD.  Damaged my grub.  Lucky appear that something
goes wrong, and the install was aborted.  So was not damage on the
content of my ntfs and ext3 partitions, but I need restart with knoppix
in order to fix the grub.

Lesson:
- Dont left you FreeDOS CD on an unattended computer.  Specially when
children or other people use it.
- Would be great if the menus on the live-cd requires a better
confirmation prior to install, not simply press enter.  Something like:
To PROCEED TYPE 'INSTALL'
- The screen may include messages on several languages


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[Freedos-user] Euphoria Language Drop DOS support

[Marco Achury]

The last alfa3 release for Euphoria 4.0 included DOS interpreter, even
was made a zip DOS download.

But remain some bug bugs that prevent the DOS interpreter to run under
Win98 and because the lack
of interest and no feedback from DOS users, the developers decided don't
include to drop DOS support
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[Freedos-user] Uses for BGFAX

[Marco Achury]

I have found BGFAX very interesting.

Is a simple a ligth fax program you can control from command line and 
return %errorlevel%
that inform you if the fax transmission was successfull or not.  If the 
author decides to release
the source will be great, but even if he never does it, you can use call 
BGFAX as fax engine
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[Freedos-user] Free DOS Fax software !!

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If your fax modem is supported by DOS, there is a free fax software at:

http://www.bgfax.com/bgfax.htm

Originally shareware but last beta released as free ??  No source 
released and
no clear about distribution terms, but at least free to download from 
the web...
The author says would like to become open source but never made.

Check at:
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[Freedos-user] Access DLL functions from DOS

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There is a nice library function for Euphoria at:

http://www.RapidEuphoria.com/gendll03.zip

Enables to execute from DOS functions at DLL libraries,
also includes emulation for some very basic win32 API
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[Freedos-user] Euphoria 4.0 needed DOS beta testers

[Marco Achury]

Dear Sirs

The work for Euphoria 4.0 is very active.  Now the language supports a 
new platform: OS X.
Is needed help to test the DOS interpreter.

Last interpreter binary build updated near daily at:
http://jeremy.cowgar.com/eubins/
(DOS version on zip file)

The last function libraries at (tar.gz):
http://rapideuphoria.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/rapideuphoria/trunk/include.tar.gz?view=tar
 


You can contact developers using irc chat:
server: irc.freenode.net
channel: #Euphoria

The documentation, wiki and forums at:
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[Freedos-user] Check Environment variables with Euphoria

[Marco Achury]

This code runs well on FreeDOS

Using Euphoria language you can put the whole
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-- Return memory segment of PSP segment for the current program.
function PSP_Segment ()
sequence regs  -- CPU registers

regs = repeat(0,10)
regs[REG_AX] = #5100-- mov ah, 51h

regs = dos_interrupt(#21, regs) -- int 21h

return (regs[REG_BX])   -- mov SegmentPSP, bx

end function


-- Get program prefix of the current running program.
function Get_PSP()
integer Add
sequence PSP

Add = PSP_Segment()
Add = Add * 16

PSP = peek({Add, 256})

return PSP
end function

--Get from a memory address a string of characters.
--delimited by a zero
function get_asciiz(atom add)   
sequence s
integer i
atom a
s = {}
i = 0
while 1 do
a=peek(add+i)
if a=0 then
puts(1, s)
return s
end if
s= append(s,a)
i +=1
end while
end function


function environ()
sequence PSP
atom env_add
sequence raw_env
integer offset
sequence z
PSP = Get_PSP()

env_add= (PSP[45] + (PSP[46]*256))*16
raw_env={}
--  trace(1)

offset=0

while 1 do
z = get_asciiz(env_add+offset)
if equal(z,{}) then
return raw_env
end if
raw_env=append(raw_env, z)
offset = offset + length(z) + 1
end while

end function


procedure main()
sequence a
a = environ()
for i=1 to  length (a) do
puts (1, a[i] \n)
end for
end procedure


main()
if getc(0) then
end if



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