date:20100322


At 8:37 PM -0700 3/22/2010, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:
My sons machine is an iMac 24" 2.8 10.6.2  The boot drive is 
internal. the external drives are two 2TB Acomdata they are used 
only as file storage for video stuff. The problem we have is as time 
goes on the Mac takes a long long time booting, If we diconect the 
externals it boots right up. So I was told that it's reading 
something on the drives and may take a long time to boot due to the 
large capacity of them, We can boot sans drives and connect 
afterward and all works fine.


Guessing isn't solving the problem.

Go look at the system log.

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Re: To Journal or not


At 10:38 PM -0400 3/22/2010, Bill Connelly wrote:

10.4.11 Spotlight has bugs ... you need to let it finish.

Does this have any thing to do with a Journal-ed drive?


You know, that's a good point.  When a drive mounts, an integrity 
check is done, the journal is cleared, then Spotlight kicks in to 
check its index.  It's quite possible that the problem with his son's 
machine Spotlight being foo - totally re-building the index each time 
the drive is mounted.


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Re: Utube on a Cube





You can improve the video in the cube with a video card upgrade,  
but ultimately you probably just plain need more CPU. 500MHZ is a  
very long time ago in computer years.





I guess this maybe an excuse to get a faster processor for the Cube,  
but they are so expensive. Is there a way to download the videos to  
watch them? both machines play DVDs good.


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Re: [Bulk] Re: To Journal or not

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:37 PM, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
>
> The problem we have is as time goes on the Mac takes a long
> long time booting, If we disconnect the externals it boots right up.

If HFS+ journaling was the problem then you'd see it all the time
since (I'm guessing) the boot drive on the iMac uses the journaled
version of OS Extended. (I would expect that is how Apple ships it).

I would think the problem is with something else. Is there an app
which starts when the system boots which might be trying to
catalog/scan the (video?) files on the externals?

-irrational john

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Re: Utube on a Cube



On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:51 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:


Hi All
I've posted this topic in the past but no cigar yet. I hope maybe  
something new may have cropped up.
I have a "Cube 500 1.5 GB" and a "TiBook 500 1GB" both 10.4.11 I  
really want to  use them to read the news and surf the net but I  
can't watch news or Utube videos they are just too choppy and  
annoying, Is there a way to do this with some kind of software or  
hardware?


Probably not much. Try downloading the youtube stuff and play it in  
QT, Movist or VideoLan player locally, but the 500 MHz CPU is probably  
the main limitation, presuming you don't have a slow, choppy network  
connection.


You can improve the video in the cube with a video card upgrade, but  
ultimately you probably just plain need more CPU. 500MHZ is a very  
long time ago in computer years.


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Utube on a Cube


Hi All
I've posted this topic in the past but no cigar yet. I hope maybe  
something new may have cropped up.
I have a "Cube 500 1.5 GB" and a "TiBook 500 1GB" both 10.4.11 I  
really want to  use them to read the news and surf the net but I  
can't watch news or Utube videos they are just too choppy and  
annoying, Is there a way to do this with some kind of software or  
hardware?


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
sent from my Wally 10.4.11



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Re: To Journal or not





This doesn't sound like a very plausible explanation to me. It sounds
more like someone grasping at straws rather than admit they don't know
what's happening. Unfortunately without more details about your son's
system and what happens on it when it boots, I doubt anyone do more
than guess as to why it is booting slowly.

Out of curiosity, what type of drive does your son's computer boot  
from?


FWIW, I would also recommend enabling journaling unless you actually
do discover an astoundingly large performance gap by benchmarking the
drive. Better safe than sorry IMO.




My sons machine is an iMac 24" 2.8 10.6.2  The boot drive is  
internal. the external drives are two 2TB Acomdata they are used only  
as file storage for video stuff. The problem we have is as time goes  
on the Mac takes a long long time booting, If we diconect the  
externals it boots right up. So I was told that it's reading  
something on the drives and may take a long time to boot due to the  
large capacity of them, We can boot sans drives and connect afterward  
and all works fine.



JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
sent from my Wally 10.4.11


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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

2010-03-22 Thread Justin The Cynical


The M wrote:

I'll look into that. I googled   NVidia FX5200 and I saw a really cheap 256MB 
card but it was PCI. Do pci graphics cards work with the MDD's?

You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here. 


Hmm?  I'm not aware of NVidia/Apple ever making a PCI FX5200 card, the 
only ones I've seen are AGP.


I think you misunderstood.  My suggestion, and the one from Samuel, are 
Mac native cards, no flashing needed.  In the case of the NVidia card, 
it's removing some of the edge connectors that are not strictly needed 
and taping some pins.  With the Radeon that Samuel suggested, it's just 
taping pins (don't believe that physically modding the card is needed, 
unless you want the ADC connector to power a display).


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Re: [Bulk] To Journal or not

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:02 PM, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
> I read some where that a journaled
> drive can be slower than one that's just Mac OS extended.

Sure, technically the extra time to journal would slow it down. But I
doubt you could tell the performance difference without some sort of
measurement software.

If you really want to know why not just test it? Install whatever is a
good hard drive performance analyzer for a Mac and then format and
test the drive both ways.

> I ask because my
> son has two of these large drives and his boot time can be really long and
> we were told it's because the journaled drives are a drag on the system.

This doesn't sound like a very plausible explanation to me. It sounds
more like someone grasping at straws rather than admit they don't know
what's happening. Unfortunately without more details about your son's
system and what happens on it when it boots, I doubt anyone do more
than guess as to why it is booting slowly.

Out of curiosity, what type of drive does your son's computer boot from?

FWIW, I would also recommend enabling journaling unless you actually
do discover an astoundingly large performance gap by benchmarking the
drive. Better safe than sorry IMO.

-irrational john

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Re: To Journal or not

2010-03-22 Thread Bill Connelly



On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:02 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:


Hi All

I have a new Hitachi 2TB HDD and I'm going to put it in an eSATA  
external enclosure for music and movie storage. I read some where  
that a journaled drive can be slower than one that's just Mac OS  
extended. I ask because my son has two of these large drives and his  
boot time can be really long and we were told it's because the  
journaled drives are a drag on the system.

Is there any support for this or is it picking pepper fro fly s..t?

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
sent from my Wally 10.4.11



When you first use a drive that has data on it, Spotlight can take up  
a lot of CPU initially creating a Spotlight Index ... then it goes  
away and things appear to run faster again. Is that what you're  
talking about?


Don't think it starts up again unless things are added to it needing  
indexing, then its just a short time taken up, updating the Index.


I believe it occurs when you first startup ...

10.4.11 Spotlight has bugs ... you need to let it finish.

Does this have any thing to do with a Journal-ed drive?

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Re: To Journal or not


At 7:02 PM -0700 3/22/2010, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:
I have a new Hitachi 2TB HDD and I'm going to put it in an eSATA 
external enclosure for music and movie storage. I read some where 
that a journaled drive can be slower than one that's just Mac OS 
extended. I ask because my son has two of these large drives and his 
boot time can be really long and we were told it's because the 
journaled drives are a drag on the system.

Is there any support for this or is it picking pepper fro fly s..t?


Journaling is THE main reason why our HFS+ volumes don't end up being 
corrupted often.  It costs maybe -maybe- 0.05% of your i/o bandwidth 
to maintain that log.


During mount operation, because of that journal, the file system can 
be verified MUCH faster than normal.  And certain repairs can be done 
on the fly using the journal entries.


If your son is having difficulties at boot time, then you should 
check his system log to figure out what's wrong.


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Re: To Journal or not

2010-03-22 Thread John Musbach

I would strongly recommend you enable joirnaling because not all
filesystem changes are written to the physical HD medium until
shutdown but are tentatively recorded in the journal which helps
prevent data loss in the event of unexpected shutdowns. If there's no
journaling and a unexpected shutdown occurs there's a better chance of
data loss than were journaling enabled.

On 3/22/10, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have a new Hitachi 2TB HDD and I'm going to put it in an eSATA
> external enclosure for music and movie storage. I read some where
> that a journaled drive can be slower than one that's just Mac OS
> extended. I ask because my son has two of these large drives and his
> boot time can be really long and we were told it's because the
> journaled drives are a drag on the system.
> Is there any support for this or is it picking pepper fro fly s..t?
>
> JOHN CARMONNE
> Yorba Linda USA
> sent from my Wally 10.4.11
>
>
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To Journal or not


Hi All

I have a new Hitachi 2TB HDD and I'm going to put it in an eSATA  
external enclosure for music and movie storage. I read some where  
that a journaled drive can be slower than one that's just Mac OS  
extended. I ask because my son has two of these large drives and his  
boot time can be really long and we were told it's because the  
journaled drives are a drag on the system.

Is there any support for this or is it picking pepper fro fly s..t?

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
sent from my Wally 10.4.11



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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

2010-03-22 Thread void


Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Mar 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, John Musbach wrote:


Hmm, perhaps this hypothesis could be proven by trying to use this
troublesome wifi system with ie5 for mac on the troublesome mac(s).


Would not work. IE5 for Macs does not have anywhere near the same 
capabilities that IE6 and later did on PC's.



After reading about what is happening it sounds like the browser isn't 
the problem but the OS.  Probably activeX or some other M$ proprietary 
junk.  I'd bet that a lot of the windows users are running firefox or 
opera, all the smart ones are. 



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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

2010-03-22 Thread Albert Carter

You don't want to put a PCI Graphics Card into a system that's capable of 
running AGP. I have a Quicksilver 1Ghz DP I have a standard card Geforce 2MX 
32MB RAM. I also have a PCI FX5200 with 128MB RAM. I ran XBench on both with no 
changes to anything else and the PCI Card scores about 1/2 the performance as 
the AGP Card





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Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 9:14:12 PM
Subject: Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card


I'll look into that. I googled   NVidia FX5200 and I saw a really cheap 256MB 
card but it was PCI. Do pci graphics cards work with the MDD's?

You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here. 

>>
>Another idea would be to pick up a used G5 NVidia FX5200 card, do a bit of 
>modification to the card itself (really easy to do), and just drop it in.  No 
>flashing required with full core and quartz support.
>
>These cards only have 64 meg onboard, but unless you absolutely have to have 
>128 megs, this may be the easiest and potentially cheapest way to get most of 
>your list met.
>
>I used one in my old DA and worked perfectly.
>
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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

2010-03-22 Thread Samuel Macomber

what about a Radeon 9600 Pro out of a G5?   I used one in my Quicksilver for a 
while (Though I downgraded to a Radeon 9000 when I got an ADC flat screen)   
Just had to put scotch tape on two pins(instructions are online somewhere, 
google it) 

shameless plug,  selling the 9600 on fleabay right now.  been sitting at $1 
hardly anyone watching it, could be a good deal :) 

> The M wrote:
>> Thanks. That's a great site. Maybe I'll pick a cheap card up when I have the 
>> cash and flash it. Why do they make mac compatible cards more expensive? Is 
>> it because "macs cost more and that means that mac owners have more money"?
>> On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Rory  wrote:
>> On Mar 22, 8:23 pm, The M  wrote:
>> How would I go about installing a new rom? Could I just flash the firmware? 
>> Sounds like a great card to me.
>> Pretty much.  This link will have everything you need to know:
>> http://themacelite.wikidot.com/start
> 
> Another idea would be to pick up a used G5 NVidia FX5200 card, do a bit of 
> modification to the card itself (really easy to do), and just drop it in.  No 
> flashing required with full core and quartz support.
> 
> These cards only have 64 meg onboard, but unless you absolutely have to have 
> 128 megs, this may be the easiest and potentially cheapest way to get most of 
> your list met.
> 
> I used one in my old DA and worked perfectly.
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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

I'll look into that. I googled   NVidia FX5200 and I saw a really cheap 256MB 
card but it was PCI. Do pci graphics cards work with the MDD's?

You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here. 


Another idea would be to pick up a used G5 NVidia FX5200 card, do a bit of 
modification to the card itself (really easy to do), and just drop it in.  No 
flashing required with full core and quartz support.

These cards only have 64 meg onboard, but unless you absolutely have to have 
128 megs, this may be the easiest and potentially cheapest way to get most of 
your list met.

I used one in my old DA and worked perfectly.

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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

2010-03-22 Thread Justin The Cynical


The M wrote:

Thanks. That's a great site. Maybe I'll pick a cheap card up when I have the cash and 
flash it. Why do they make mac compatible cards more expensive? Is it because "macs 
cost more and that means that mac owners have more money"?

On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Rory  wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:23 pm, The M  wrote:
How would I go about installing a new rom? Could I just flash the firmware? 
Sounds like a great card to me.

Pretty much.  This link will have everything you need to know:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/start


Another idea would be to pick up a used G5 NVidia FX5200 card, do a bit 
of modification to the card itself (really easy to do), and just drop it 
in.  No flashing required with full core and quartz support.


These cards only have 64 meg onboard, but unless you absolutely have to 
have 128 megs, this may be the easiest and potentially cheapest way to 
get most of your list met.


I used one in my old DA and worked perfectly.

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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

I see. Haha mac users don't need to upgrade their video cards because macs 
already run very well.  I mean come on. It's kind of pathetic that my old mac 
runs faster than my recent windowz laptop. Back on topic, is there any way to 
enable quartz extreame on a card that doesn't support it? I may or may not 
upgrade; I really would like quartz extreame. And could I upgrade the RAM on my 
stock card? Sorry to be asking so many questions :) 

You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here. 

On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Rory  wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:41 pm, The M  wrote:
Thanks. That's a great site. Maybe I'll pick a cheap card up when I have the 
cash and flash it. Why do they make mac compatible cards more expensive? Is it 
because "macs cost more
and that means that mac owners have more money"?

Economies of scale.  Fewer Macs in the wild mean fewer cards made and
sold and thus more expensive cards.  Most Mac owners probably don't
bother to upgrade their video cards, either.




  

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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

On Mar 22, 8:41 pm, The M  wrote:
> Thanks. That's a great site. Maybe I'll pick a cheap card up when I have the 
> cash and flash it. Why do they make mac compatible cards more expensive? Is 
> it because "macs cost more
> and that means that mac owners have more money"?

Economies of scale.  Fewer Macs in the wild mean fewer cards made and
sold and thus more expensive cards.  Most Mac owners probably don't
bother to upgrade their video cards, either.

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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

Thanks. That's a great site. Maybe I'll pick a cheap card up when I have the 
cash and flash it. Why do they make mac compatible cards more expensive? Is it 
because "macs cost more and that means that mac owners have more money"?

You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here. 

On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Rory  wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:23 pm, The M  wrote:
How would I go about installing a new rom? Could I just flash the firmware? 
Sounds like a great card to me.

Pretty much.  This link will have everything you need to know:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/start

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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

On Mar 22, 8:23 pm, The M  wrote:
> How would I go about installing a new rom? Could I just flash the firmware? 
> Sounds like a great card to me.

Pretty much.  This link will have everything you need to know:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/start

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

On Feb 11, 2:20 pm, sniis  wrote:
> Hi!
> I've just registered in this site to post a very interesting question.
> I've bought a PATA box to substitute my Mac Mini Superdrive with a new
> SATA hard drive.
> I put the box with my new WD Scorpio 500GB on it but the system didn't
> turn on, the screen remained gray..
> After I tried with a Hitachi 80 GB and the system turned on but on
> Leopard I couldn't see the hard drive on my desktop and on disk
> utility neither.
>
> What can I do? Is there a possible solution?
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks from Italy!

My money's on the 500GB drive needing to be repartitioned from MBR to
APM.

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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card


How would I go about installing a new rom? Could I just flash the firmware? 
Sounds like a great card to me. 

I modded (new ROM and taped off AGP connector) a PNY GeForce FX5200
Ultra (128MB) to put in my dual 800MHz Quicksilver.  It replaced a
stock Geforce2MX TwinView (64MB).  The difference was pretty
astonishing.  Finder performance definitely improved on Leopard.  Just
don't expect to get much better resolution than 1600x1200/1680x1050
out of the DVI port on that card.  It definitely will NOT do 1920x1200
digitally.  Not bad for a $50 card and couple hours' work, though.

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Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

On Mar 22, 4:29 pm, The M  wrote:
> What would be a good (128 MB VRAM or more ,quartz extreame preferred) video 
> card that would fit into my PowerMac G4 dual 867mhz MDD's AGP slot? I am 
> looking for the best performance for when I upgrade to leopard. It is running 
> a geforce with 64 MB VRAM. Any suggestions? And how will my mac perform with 
> this stock card on leopard?
>
> You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here.

I modded (new ROM and taped off AGP connector) a PNY GeForce FX5200
Ultra (128MB) to put in my dual 800MHz Quicksilver.  It replaced a
stock Geforce2MX TwinView (64MB).  The difference was pretty
astonishing.  Finder performance definitely improved on Leopard.  Just
don't expect to get much better resolution than 1600x1200/1680x1050
out of the DVI port on that card.  It definitely will NOT do 1920x1200
digitally.  Not bad for a $50 card and couple hours' work, though.

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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

2010-03-22 Thread peter

On Mar 22, 6:55 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> This is why *every* place like that has comment cards and contact  
> addresses. Carry some with you and encourage the paying customers to  
> make their opinions known, that it's when paying customers complain,  
> is when things get changed.
>
> Now if you'll get fired for THAT basic act of customer service, my  
> sympathies and I hope you find a new job soon, whereupon you can tell  
> us who this company is so I never patronize them, because if they do  
> that to their employees and contractors, they cut corners everywhere  
> else, too.

Luckily, I don't work for the Hotel, I work for the property owner
(or, technicaly an affiliated company that does Property Management
for the owner, which is also owned by the owner...) The hotel is our
Contractor. In any case, I think they would encourage this approach,
but finding an interem fix is something they would like more,
posssibly coupled with the comment card.

If the higher ups in my company get involved, they can say to the
Hotel, fix it or you're fired. Then they can get another Hospitality
chain to run our hotel. but that would be a huge PITA!

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Re: [Bulk] Re:Hard drive failing

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:20 PM,   wrote:
> Also can the SMART be verified via a eSATA external enclosure?

Yes. eSATA is effectively a SATA connection to your computer using
hopefully a better shielded eSATA cable. If you can get your computer
to recognize the eSATA drive then you should be able to perform any
function you could with any of your other SATA (or PATA) drives.

> One good thing about Seagate is the 5 year warranty, no receipt necessary.

Yes, no receipt is necessary, only the serial number. But, as has
already been pointed out, the warranty period depends on where Seagate
considered the drive to be in their product line and thus on Seagate's
view of the market segment the drive is targeting.

For a while Seagate was offering a 5 year warranty on all of their
regular consumer drives. I have one or two of these and they are
nearing the end of their warranty period.

However, a year or three ago (not sure of the date), Seagate reworked
their warranty periods. Now their regular drives have only a three
year warranty just like the other drive manufacturers. I believe the
common practice now is to reserve a five year warranty for the more
expensive, supposed commercial/enterprise drives in a manufacturer's
line. It's now one of the reasons to supposedly persuade you to pay
more for those drives.

I have no idea what sort of nonsense the drive manufacturers have come
up with for the warranty on their external enclosures. Part of the
reason I've never bought one of those is because I saw the warranty
period listed as just one year on some of them.

One year?!?! Are they kidding me?

I figure it makes more sense to purchase an OEM drive with a three
year warranty and mount it in an external enclosure I purchased
separately.

My take on the post about the used drives purchased from the swap
board having "zero years warranty" is that if you separate the drive
from its enclosure ... or possibly just open the enclosure in a way
that can be detected by the manufacturer ... then In the
manufacturer's opinion you have voided the warranty. Not an unheard of
practice. But IMO it's yet another reason to avoid these pre-packaged
external enclosures from the drive manufacturers.

But maybe that's just me.

-irrational john

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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP



On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:30 PM, peter wrote:


 If I can't give them a
work around, I (and they) think I'm not doing the best I can for them.
Guests (and other tenants) don't make the distinctions between all of
the companies involved here, they see the guy with the tool belt, and
think I can fix anything.  All you I.T. guys aught to know the
feeling ;)




We do, and when I'm in the situation you're in I have no qualms about  
pointing people with problems to the appropriate place to complain.


"I'm sorry, I've tried. but I cannot fix this. Here's the phone number  
and email address of the owners to contact..we're just the hired hands."


It's not hard to honestly tell guests that a) you've tried, but cannot  
do anything about it, and b) it's not your decision, or your bosses  
decision, but the folks who actually own the place, without  
'badmouthing' the owners.


This is why *every* place like that has comment cards and contact  
addresses. Carry some with you and encourage the paying customers to  
make their opinions known, that it's when paying customers complain,  
is when things get changed.


Now if you'll get fired for THAT basic act of customer service, my  
sympathies and I hope you find a new job soon, whereupon you can tell  
us who this company is so I never patronize them, because if they do  
that to their employees and contractors, they cut corners everywhere  
else, too.


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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

2010-03-22 Thread peter

On Mar 22, 4:30 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Mar 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, John Musbach wrote:
>
> > Hmm, perhaps this hypothesis could be proven by trying to use this
> > troublesome wifi system with ie5 for mac on the troublesome mac(s).
>
> Would not work. IE5 for Macs does not have anywhere near the same  
> capabilities that IE6 and later did on PC's.
>
I have my Lombard with be tonight, and I'll be checking over ethernet
in one of the rooms, and one of the other Techs is bringing in a G4
book tommorow to check WiFi.

"You can TRY (and I don't think I did, I was just pissed off)
turning
on the developer menu in Safari, and setting the user agent as IE6,
but I don't think it'll work. "

I had planned to do this, either in Safari, or Firefox (or both)

"It might be interesting to see the source of the page they're
sending. "

Planned on that too.

"But if it doesn't, and they're not providing said free wifi to ALL
guests that want it...
that's a legal leg to beat them with.  That beating might best be a
PR thing - a major hotel chain that's discriminating against Apple...
Announcing that to the public will hurt their bottom line.  It would
be cheaper for them to fix the problem. "

Unfortunatley, the owner of My company has (through this building) a
vested interest in NOT bad mouthng the hotel chain publicly.  From a
guest perspective, this would be something to think about wherever you
go, these companies are hulking giants, and don't always realize that
they are driving people away through their actions, until you throw a
rock at their heads...  Certianly, higher ups here could exert
preasure, that does not mean it will change, and I hope here is a
solution that can be accomplished at the User level until then,( I am
realy hoping that User agent switching can work) because I am on the
ground, and have to see disgruntled guests. If I can't give them a
work around, I (and they) think I'm not doing the best I can for them.
Guests (and other tenants) don't make the distinctions between all of
the companies involved here, they see the guy with the tool belt, and
think I can fix anything.  All you I.T. guys aught to know the
feeling ;)

Thanks for all of the replies, and wish me luck.

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RE: EDIT: A good and cheap video card

2010-03-22 Thread Stewie de Young

Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:29:14 -0700
From: mstye...@yahoo.com
Subject: EDIT: A good and cheap video card
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

What would be a good (128 MB VRAM or more ,quartz extreame preferred) video 
card that would fit into my PowerMac G4 dual 867mhz MDD's AGP slot? I am 
looking for the best performance for when I upgrade to leopard. It is running a 
geforce with 64 MB VRAM. Any suggestions? And how will my mac perform with this 
stock card on leopard? 

 A good card is the ATI 9800 series which come either as 128 or 256mb cards.
They do run a bit hot however and you do have to plug the card into a molex HD 
power connector as well.
Personally I'd be looking at the 256mb  - more money but a better card.
It also depends on what applications you will be using as well.

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RE: boot image

2010-03-22 Thread Stewie de Young

I didn't keep details of the sellers ( both items have been deleted off ebay 
)but the PCMCIA to CF adapter was a no-name cheap one.
You don't really need an expensive one ( $35+) as they are a simple board with 
just pins and wires to connect one to the other. A PC only card will work in 
any laptop including Macs that adhere to the PC card protocols.
Just make sure it can read either Type l , Type ll or both types of cards ( 
depends on which variety CF card you buy of course )

Something like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Flash-CF-to-PC-Card-Adapter-Card-Reader-Writer-Compact_W0QQitemZ220576397423QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Laptop_Accessories?hash=item335b60b86f

The CF card though was a known brand of reasonable speed. 
8-GB-PNY-CF-Compact-Flash-Memory-Card-133X-8GB
Make sure the card reader can read the size of CF card you buy ( some of the 
early ones could only read 2Gb and 4Gb.
Mostly though if you stick to Kingston, Transcend, SanDisk etc you should be 
fine.

Something like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/SanDisk-8GB-Up-to-30MB-Ultra-CF-Card_W0QQitemZ250601701277QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDigital_Camera_Memory_Cards?hash=item3a59067f9d

Stewie

> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:39:27 -0600
> From: nestami...@gmail.com
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: boot image
> 
> On 3/21/10 6:41 PM, Stewie de Young wrote:
> > The PC card cost me only $5 on ebay whereas the 16Gb cost me $30 but
> > well worth it.
> Can to send details on these. I've been wanting to look into it, but 
> would rather get a package that works. Also, if you say the seller you 
> got them from on Ebay, that would be good.
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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-03-22 Thread Nicholas Fantuzzi

Hi all,
I've received another adapter from my chinese friend. It doesn't work as the
previous one. So I suppose that Mac Mini G4 doesn't support a double hard
disk solution.

I hope this could be a good information for everybody.

Nicholas

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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP



On Mar 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, John Musbach wrote:


Hmm, perhaps this hypothesis could be proven by trying to use this
troublesome wifi system with ie5 for mac on the troublesome mac(s).


Would not work. IE5 for Macs does not have anywhere near the same  
capabilities that IE6 and later did on PC's.


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EDIT: A good and cheap video card

What would be a good (128 MB VRAM or more ,quartz extreame preferred) video 
card that would fit into my PowerMac G4 dual 867mhz MDD's AGP slot? I am 
looking for the best performance for when I upgrade to leopard. It is running a 
geforce with 64 MB VRAM. Any suggestions? And how will my mac perform with this 
stock card on leopard? 

 



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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP



On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

Otherwise the places I've been to have either had a user agreement  
page or nothing.  I have gotten into the habit at such places of  
opening the browser and just pulling up any old page to let their  
system redirect it to their page.  At home, most of the time, my  
first move is to pull up e-mail but that just stalls if you have to  
go to the user agreement page first, as at hotels and such.



The UA has a similar open public, WiFi access, you have to open a web  
browser and agree to anything before it lets you on. Once on you can  
use Email, VPN, etc. This I can live with, especially if I'm told  
about it.


Several of the places we stayed at last summer (we took a three week  
road trip up to the pacific northwest and back) had such systems, and  
almost all of them were platform agnostic. Heck we stayed at a little  
hole-in-the-wall place in Boron, California a couple years ago, and  
they had working WiFi.




What I don't understand is why they hit you with the page everytime  
you connect.  They should be able to remember the MAC address and  
skip the agreement page after the first time.


Because this system doesn't maintain a state, only a 'connection  
allowed' status...in other words, it never does remember your MAC  
address only that since the beginning of this session you agreed.


Remembering MAC addresses gets into legally weedy territory. How long  
to remember them? Is this subpoena-able information? Someone could  
argue that no agreement on re-connecting means that the agreement is  
null and void, and they'd have a pretty solid argument.


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A good and cheap video card

What would be a good (128 MB VRAM ,quartz extreame preferred) video card that 
would fit into my PowerMac G4 dual 867mhz MDD's AGP slot? I am looking for the 
best performance for when I upgrade to leopard. It is running a geforce with 64 
MB VRAM. Any suggestions? And how will my mac perform with this stock card on 
leopard? 

You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here. 


  

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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

2010-03-22 Thread John Musbach

Hmm, perhaps this hypothesis could be proven by trying to use this
troublesome wifi system with ie5 for mac on the troublesome mac(s)...

On 3/22/10, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
>
> On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Because the system is asking for some response back from the Mac that
>>> isn't getting, because it's using IE-specific Javascript or
>>> something.
>>>
>>
>> Or it's just plain crappy software.
>
> If WinPC's work just fine and nothing else does, it's almost certainly
> an IE-only situation.
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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP



On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Clark Martin wrote:



Because the system is asking for some response back from the Mac that
isn't getting, because it's using IE-specific Javascript or  
something.




Or it's just plain crappy software.


If WinPC's work just fine and nothing else does, it's almost certainly  
an IE-only situation.


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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

2010-03-22 Thread Clark Martin


On 3/22/10 9:06 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Mar 21, 2010, at 9:58 PM, PETER WARNER wrote:



What would cause people to get bumped off afterwards?



Because the system is asking for some response back from the Mac that
isn't getting, because it's using IE-specific Javascript or something.



Or it's just plain crappy software.


On my vacation last year I only had trouble connecting in three places,
and in two of the three the staff were quite happy to work with me to
fix it (both involved simple reboots of the WAP) The third was the place
with this dumb software.

The staff there told me that other customers had complained as well.



If they advertise "Free WiFi" make sure you point that out and drop the 
phrase "False Advertising" into your conversation.



Early on in the WiFi era, at one resort we were at they would supply you 
with a PC Card WiFi adapter as a way to access the network.  It either 
had some custom firmware or they simply had the MAC addresses for those 
cards pre-entered into their system.  It didn't help me in the least on 
my iBook with no card slot.  I have no idea if it would have worked in a 
Mac with a card slot.  They have since gone to a basic user agreement 
page which does work with the Mac.


Once at a fast food place they wanted you to get a free member ID on 
their system.  But they e-mailed you the ID code.  So for most people 
you could use it the next time you were there.  I went online with my 
cell phone and got it that way.  The whole thing seemed very unstable. 
It might have been a windows centric thing or it might have just been a 
bad system.



Otherwise the places I've been to have either had a user agreement page 
or nothing.  I have gotten into the habit at such places of opening the 
browser and just pulling up any old page to let their system redirect it 
to their page.  At home, most of the time, my first move is to pull up 
e-mail but that just stalls if you have to go to the user agreement page 
first, as at hotels and such.


What I don't understand is why they hit you with the page everytime you 
connect.  They should be able to remember the MAC address and skip the 
agreement page after the first time.


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Re: Hard drive failing


In a message dated 3/22/10 11:16:42 AM, ktilfo...@cox.net writes:


> On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM, carmo...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > One good thing about Seagate is the 5 year warranty, no receipt 
> > necessary.
> 
> Not true. I have two Seagate HDs that I bought off LEM-Swap that are 
> brand new, both with less than 10 hours total time, manufactured in 
> 2009. I assumed they would be covered by the 5 year warranty, but 
> alas, these drives were removed from external enclosures, and thus, 
> the 5 year warranty was voided. I was so mad I could scream. These HDs 
> are IDENTICAL to every other Seagate HD I've ever seen, and yet 
> because they're not inside the original external enclosure they were 
> sold in they get ZERO warranty even though they're brand spanking new. 
> I don't think this is fair. Their explanation was, "would you warranty 
> a motor that had been removed from it's car", and I said, "when your 
> business is selling motors and not cars I think this answer is yes". 
> It didn't help, I out $250 for brand new Seagate HDs. Buyer beware for 
> used Seagate hardware, even if it's "new".
> 
Thanks for the heads up. I've not been in that postion yet. That's kinda a 
bummer because if the drive needs to be in a machine to display SMART info 
then I guess you wait till the thing pukes on you if it's in an enclosure? 
That sucks.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda
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Re: DivX 6 for Tiger

2010-03-22 Thread romantic


At 12:40 PM -0400 3/22/2010, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:

what should I use to convert the .avi to make a playable DVD?  
(encoding?)




The .avi file contains video and audio in any of a dozen codecs,  
currently most often divx or xvid.  Avi, like mov or mkv, is just a  
"container file" format.  A playable DVD-Video contains MPEG-2 video.


(The "info" window in QuickTime Player will show you what codecs are  
used in the file).


The best fundamental tool to do transcoding (convert one format to  
another, frame by frame) is called ffmpeg, a free open-source  
package.  This multi-platform tool uses a command line interface, so  
it can be a bit difficult to use.


ffmpegX (shareware) includes a fully built release of ffmpeg plus a  
nice GUI.


Burn (freeware) comes with ffmpeg built in, plus other tools.  You  
drop the avi onto it and it does all the transcoding plus the  
necessaries to produce a basic DVD-Video.


Commercial apps such as Toast do all this too.  Expensive tho.

My current fav... is to do the transcoding myself with ffmpeg, then  
use an old freeware app called Sizzle to create the DVD-Video as a  
DMG file, with some nice menus and backgrounds.  Then I test the DMG  
by mounting it on my desktop (just double-click on it) and playing  
the video with VLC.  I burn the DMG to a DVD using Disk Utility.


HTH,
- Dan.

Dan,

Thank you for this illuminating, easy to understand, lucid, plain  
English (American) explanation. I have spent hours, days, weeks  
researching this mystery and it only made me more confused. Your post  
deserves a nice frame and a place on my wall.

Warm regards,
Roman

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Re:Hard drive failing

> 
> 
> SMART warnings are generated by the controller onboard the drive, yes. 
> *Reading* that data requires the native controller on the host, which 
> is why you can[t access SMART data via USB enclosures. SMART was 
> designed for use on internal system and data drives.
> 
> 
> Is there a way to get SMART info from the Smart Tool app? I downloaded it 
yesterday and used it but all the log says is the drive is failing, not why 
it's failing. Also can the SMART be verified via a eSATA external enclosure?

John Carmonne
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Re: Hard drive failing

2010-03-22 Thread Kris Tilford


On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM, carmo...@aol.com wrote:

One good thing about Seagate is the 5 year warranty, no receipt  
necessary.


Not true. I have two Seagate HDs that I bought off LEM-Swap that are  
brand new, both with less than 10 hours total time, manufactured in  
2009. I assumed they would be covered by the 5 year warranty, but  
alas, these drives were removed from external enclosures, and thus,  
the 5 year warranty was voided. I was so mad I could scream. These HDs  
are IDENTICAL to every other Seagate HD I've ever seen, and yet  
because they're not inside the original external enclosure they were  
sold in they get ZERO warranty even though they're brand spanking new.  
I don't think this is fair. Their explanation was, "would you warranty  
a motor that had been removed from it's car", and I said, "when your  
business is selling motors and not cars I think this answer is yes".  
It didn't help, I out $250 for brand new Seagate HDs. Buyer beware for  
used Seagate hardware, even if it's "new".


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Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Hard drive failing

> 
> 
> That sounds good, but I'd still appreciate it if you could update this
> thread with your experiences going through their RMA process. I've
> never had to do it myself and I'm curious how it will turn out for
> you. Especially since you won't (right?) be able to give them any
> feedback from their SeaTools diagnostic tool.
> 
> 
> When you first regester on the site they ask the nature of your requet. I 
stated that I have a ST3500 that is exibiting a S.M.A.R.T error. After you 
get a case# then go to the Warranty return page.

On the warranty return page there are selections for the make, model and OS 
for the Apple machines, also on their site is a button named "escalate to 
tech support" this will bypass the SeaTools issue.   They will e-mail back an 
RMA# and complete return instruction including shipping label. 
It's pretty easy to use I had to try a couple of shots at it due to my own 
lack of reading the form properly. They are really trying to support the 
products with exceptional service. 

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda
USA

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Re: DivX 6 for Tiger


At 12:40 PM -0400 3/22/2010, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:

what should I use to convert the .avi to make a playable DVD? (encoding?)


The .avi file contains video and audio in any of a dozen codecs, 
currently most often divx or xvid.  Avi, like mov or mkv, is just a 
"container file" format.  A playable DVD-Video contains MPEG-2 video.


(The "info" window in QuickTime Player will show you what codecs are 
used in the file).


The best fundamental tool to do transcoding (convert one format to 
another, frame by frame) is called ffmpeg, a free open-source 
package.  This multi-platform tool uses a command line interface, so 
it can be a bit difficult to use.


ffmpegX (shareware) includes a fully built release of ffmpeg plus a nice GUI.

Burn (freeware) comes with ffmpeg built in, plus other tools.  You 
drop the avi onto it and it does all the transcoding plus the 
necessaries to produce a basic DVD-Video.


Commercial apps such as Toast do all this too.  Expensive tho.

My current fav... is to do the transcoding myself with ffmpeg, then 
use an old freeware app called Sizzle to create the DVD-Video as a 
DMG file, with some nice menus and backgrounds.  Then I test the DMG 
by mounting it on my desktop (just double-click on it) and playing 
the video with VLC.  I burn the DMG to a DVD using Disk Utility.


HTH,
- Dan.
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Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto



On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Jonas Lopez wrote:


What version of iPhoto are you using? The version I have
(8.1) will let me selectively import photos from my camera,


My version is 1.1 I think it came with 10.2, but no up date on 10.4?




The last free version of iPhoto was 2.0; after that it became part of  
the iLife package.


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Re: Hard drive failing

> > The only drives I've had fail in ten years are Maxtor and Toshiba.
> 
> Then you're lucky. We've had drives of every manufacturer fail.
> 
> 
> 
One good thing about Seagate is the 5 year warranty, no receipt nessasary. 
They just sent me an RMA# with free shipping included.   Glad to own stock 
in the company.


John Carmonne
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Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto

2010-03-22 Thread Jonas Lopez

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
> From: Bruce Johnson 
> Subject: Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:47 AM
> On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jonas Lopez wrote:
> >> With my Canon A70,  I have to tell it not to download
> >> duplicates every time I download from the camera. It will
> >> look and check for each shot as it does the download.
> > Yes, yes, so how do you tell iPhoto to do this?
> iPhoto does this automatically.
> What version of iPhoto are you using? The version I have
> (8.1) will let me selectively import photos from my camera,

My version is 1.1 I think it came with 10.2, but no up date on 10.4?


  

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Re: DivX 6 for Tiger

2010-03-22 Thread romantic


At 12:15 PM -0400 3/22/2010, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:

I've downloaded DivX 6.7, the last release for older Macs and it  
gives me the spinning beach ball from File-Open.
My OS is 10.4.11 and the download site has at least a half dozen  
versions of DivX 6. Does anybody know which version works and is  
stable?




For playback or encoding?

For playback just use Perian.

Thanks Dan,

It was for playing an .avi file so Perian is what I need.
However, what should I use to convert the .avi to make a playable  
DVD? (encoding?)


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Re: DivX 6 for Tiger


At 12:15 PM -0400 3/22/2010, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:
I've downloaded DivX 6.7, the last release for older Macs and it 
gives me the spinning beach ball from File-Open.
My OS is 10.4.11 and the download site has at least a half dozen 
versions of DivX 6. Does anybody know which version works and is 
stable?


For playback or encoding?

For playback just use Perian.

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Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Hard drive failing

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:02 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:
>
> The seagate site includes Apple and all the OS's as tabbed choices while 
> filling
> out the online form, so the Apple PC issue are no problem

That sounds good, but I'd still appreciate it if you could update this
thread with your experiences going through their RMA process. I've
never had to do it myself and I'm curious how it will turn out for
you. Especially since you won't (right?) be able to give them any
feedback from their SeaTools diagnostic tool.

-irrational john

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DivX 6 for Tiger

2010-03-22 Thread romantic

I've downloaded DivX 6.7, the last release for older Macs and it  
gives me the spinning beach ball from File-Open.
My OS is 10.4.11 and the download site has at least a half dozen  
versions of DivX 6. Does anybody know which version works and is stable?

Thanks,
Roman

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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP

On Mar 21, 2010, at 9:58 PM, PETER WARNER wrote:

A little more detail:
-the only case I have confirmed info on was one from today, The
guest had a macbook pro, and she tried both Safari 4, and Firefox.
-Apparently what happens is that guests get to the first screen
(where they are supposed to agree to terms and conditions) and only
a few graphics load, and the agree button is not usually one of them.
-Some people have gotten past this screen, only to be bumped off the
internet 10-15 min. afterwards.
-I was not clear on this, but I think that the hotel manager said
that the same thing happens when the Guests try hooking into the
ethernet ports in their rooms.
-Meanwhile, every PC that comes through there has no problem, they
had a dell and a macbook sitting right next to each other, and the
dell was fine.

Could that agreement page be the cause?

Yes it could. I've run into that same &%...@$!@#$ software myself. Told
the motel I was staying in that this was the last time I'd stay in
that chain unless they fixed the software. It only partially works
with FF, I'll bet anything you care to bet that the browser running on
the Dell was IE. The software does the same thing on the ethernet
because it's not actually connected to the WiFi, but manages internet
access for all outgoing connections.

What would cause people to get bumped off afterwards?

Because the system is asking for some response back from the Mac that
isn't getting, because it's using IE-specific Javascript or something.

Guests with Intel based macs can install WineBottler and run IE 6, or do what I did and complain mightily, and tell the
staff they'll never stay there again. Write a letter to the chain
owners, too.

You can TRY (and I don't think I did, I was just pissed off) turning
on the developer menu in Safari, and setting the user agent as IE6,
but I don't think it'll work.

"Nobody ever got fired for specifying Microsoft" doesn't work when you
depend on the happiness of your clients.

On my vacation last year I only had trouble connecting in three
places, and in two of the three the staff were quite happy to work
with me to fix it (both involved simple reboots of the WAP) The third
was the place with this dumb software.

The staff there told me that other customers had complained as well.

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Re: Hard drive failing



On Mar 21, 2010, at 4:06 PM, John Carmonne wrote:



I have mostly seagate drives and I've never had one fail.  I've got  
a few western digitals and they've held up.  The hitachi in my  
iBook has 2 years on it and looks good.  2 samsung 500GB SATA's in  
my main tower have 3 years of hard service on them.  I haven't ever  
had a maxtor last more than a year or so.

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The only drives I've had fail in ten years are Maxtor and Toshiba.


Then you're lucky. We've had drives of every manufacturer fail.

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Re: Blackscreen no chime



On Mar 21, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Dan Auerbach wrote:


Hi all,
I tried to get my daughter's PB G4 1.67GHz Al book to start up...



If it's black, and you get no chime, then most likely it's the DC-in  
board in the Mac.


If the DC board's ok, then it's the logic board.

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Re: A way to select order of pix load in iPhoto



On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jonas Lopez wrote:




With my Canon A70,  I have to tell it not to download
duplicates every time I download from the camera. It will
look and check for each shot as it does the download.

Yes, yes, so how do you tell iPhoto to do this?


iPhoto does this automatically.

What version of iPhoto are you using? The version I have (8.1) will  
let me selectively import photos from my camera, but ISTR that's a new- 
ish feature.



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Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Hard drive failing



On Mar 21, 2010, at 9:02 PM, John Carmonne wrote:



The seagate site includes Apple and all the OS's as tabbed choices  
while filling out the online form, so the Apple PC issue are no  
problem besides I think the S.M.A.R.T is the test bed factor for the  
drives, I understand the drive is generating the warning and not the  
machine??




SMART warnings are generated by the controller onboard the drive, yes.  
*Reading* that data requires the native controller on the host, which  
is why you can[t access SMART data via USB enclosures. SMART was  
designed for use on internal system and data drives.


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Re: Mac's can't connect to WAP