Hi chae.
That's what I meant, I am very much looking forward to that version but as I
understood it, it was still in Beta. going to the Gma site I still see the
latest version is given as 1.0 from 2010. Has David released the latest
version with the customizations, extra units etc to the publi
Hi dark,
You should check out the latest version of TOC, sounds like its been a
while since you looked at it.
You can now make all kinds of custom units and situations, the game is as
much a war simulation builder as it is a game in itself.
For instance, there are now star trek and medieval
With respect Kara while I aprpeciate your sentiment, at the same time I
slightly resent your implication that I do not try with access and advocacy.
I spend a considderable amount of time talking to everyone from game
developers to shop keepers to even professors, religious leaders, stage
dire
Discovercard purchased a braille embosser with plans to produce brailled
reference and training materials for blind employees. They did not do their
research, and bought a translation program that ran under DOS instead of
Windows. The policy was that only the tech team were allowed to work wit
And most are pretty cumbersome in my experience.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
-Original Message-
From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:37 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessibility for the deaf/blind
How many people carry a bra
If it works, stick with it. And I must grin as I once again state that I
will not beware the grue!
---
Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wedne
How many people carry a braille display with them to a restaurant? They are
very expensive, as you know. You are born with your fingers.
---
Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "dark"
To
Dark,
HOw much do you want it and why are you giving up so easily?
I'm not trying to disrespect you or in any way invalidate your efforts but if
these things are important to you then you owe it to yourself to continue in
pursuing them.
Just because people say no does not mean that that is the
And why does it have to be hard copy? deaf/blind people are quite capable of
using braille displays indeed I've met several who do so, which is another
reason I would like to see braille display technology having to evolve.
beware the Grue!
dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Charles Ri
I am not a Dalek, I do not obey without question so ordering me to use
braille is no good :d.
If we followed that logic we'd all still be cooking on open fires and
travelling on horses, heck, why not stop there, I'm pretty sure back in
neanderthal days there was some one who said "hmmm, this f
OMG! Charles, thank you thank you thank you for saying this!
My thoughts exactly! :)
Rather than dwell on the negative and promote those ideas, it is so important
to focus on what is doable and go in that direction.
NOw some may argue that certain things are not doable. I say you decide what is
Well charlse that was what I was doing as well, indeed I believe any
competant braille reader would do the same, however skim reading in braille
just can't compare to someone doing it in print since they get all the info
at once, which is again where speech can be helpful.
Beware the grue!
DA
Another value of hardcopy braille is that a deaf and blind person can use it.
Speech output from a device does them no good.
---
Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
---
Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org
If you want to
Become dependent on technology. Technology fails. You're sunk. Nobody or
nothing does your reading for you. Use braille.
---
Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "dark"
To: "Gamers Disc
Print should also go by the wayside, being replaced by technology, putting
us all equal. It'll never happen, and I hope that the value of braille is
realized. If the batteries of your technology go dead during a power
outage, there goes your accessibility. No power is required to do your own
That's why I still say that hardcopy braille is the best solution. You read
it yourself with no special equipment. Most blind people do, or should
learn to, read braille, just as most sighted people must learn to read
print. If health issues prevent you from independently reading braille,
th
Hi Tom.
I could see a braille revival if the technology to produce it ever catches
up with speech in cost and ease of use, since imagine all the possibilities
of a full sized tactile screen with brailled text, but failing such a
technological and economic development your likely right.
Wheth
Well as part of a development team doing the deathmatch series, and
catchfish among others I can tell you that with a 1 man band or even
more than one it really does make things hard.
First, if anyone looses energy or interest or has writers block or
gets injured somehow, then things just stop
well then if its that way and I don't doubt you on that one then the
blind gaming market should fit in with the smaller developers.
It seems the way to go in any case.
At 10:28 PM 12/11/2013, you wrote:
Hi Shaun:
Well, yes and no. If you are talking about PC games produced by big
name studios
Whoa, has been ages since I last posted here!
Anyway, nerd questions coming up. I’d be interested to know if there are any
plans to turn BGT loose on Mac OS. I believe the scripting language it uses is
capable of running on Mac OS, so that’s a start, isn’t it?
Here is the background story,
Hi Dark:
that was basically my thinking as well. I don't think most people,
particularly younger people, would find an electronic document
inferior to braille. Especially, since braille has largely fallen out
of use in schools and other places the last few years.
I don't want to get into another
Hi Charles:
Perhaps something like Daisy might be the answer. However, companies
have to be made aware of the technology, and of course you still have
to have the technology for reading Daisy documents. In some cases that
is more proprietary than the method I suggested since not everything
can pla
Hi Che:
I couldn't agree with you more. Time of Conflict is simply awesome,
and I purchased it as soon as it came out. It took David Greenwood
almost two years to develop the game, but as a single developer he
certainly could do it and did. So it is a prime example of what can be
done in audio if
When browsing a menu in a restaurant, it doesn't take me all that long to
do. I don't read every item. Not interested in the salads? Skip over that
section. I usually have a good idea of what I'm looking for, anyway, and go
to that section first. If the menu is correctly laid out, it's simp
I agree Che, time of conflict is an awsome peace of work especially in it's
context sensative menues and map understanding.
The only thing that for me feels lacking in time of conflict is not having
as much on unit production and management of resources, and only having a
few unit types to pla
Hi all,
These types of games can definitely be developed by a single developer.
Check out Time of Conflict by David Greenwood if you don't believe it.
Probably the most complex audio game out there, and nothing touches it as
far as replayability.
I don't think enough has been made of the
Or indeed not actually tom.
I have been blind all my life (or at least registered blind in the Uk), I
did learn braille before the first day of school since my mum started
teaching me when I was in nursery, yet there are occasions when I!
prefer an electronic copy of things over braile, p
I am one of those people you speak of. Whenever possible, I very much
prefer doing my own reading rather than having someone or some thing, as a
computer's speech synthesizer, reading to me. I am probably misspelling
this, but I wonder if daisy documents are the answer, as some of them can be
Hi Charles:
My point exactly. Most people are holy unaware VoiceOver etc already
comes with the phone, and if we didn't point it out to them probably
never would. That proves my point that companies who have a menu,
documentation, could offer it on the web or somewhere where a blind
user could vie
Hi Charles:
Well, that may be, but the fact is we are trying to cut costs for
someone producing the documentation be it a menu or a game's user
guide. If the braille documentation costs too much to do it chances
are they won't, but if we can offer them something cheaper that is
accessible they mig
Many people have asked me how I got my iPhone to give speech feedback and
what the cost is. It blows them away when I give them the answer.
---
Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas W
Hi Mohsin:
I completely disagree. While it would be a time consuming project
creating an accessible Civilization game can be done by one person if
he or she has the time to devote to it. Its not terribly complex to
code, but does require a lot of time to work on the project. A normal
sighted pers
@ Charles:
no, lack of graphics was not meant to be counted as a flaw.
@ Dark:
Actually, I just wanted to say the same thing that an individual
developer will require more time to produce the game, where a team
will do it in far less time.
when I sent my first response, I was in a bit hurry and
I would prefer not using anything other than my fingers to do the reading of
a menu or a game user's guide. And if the right binder is used, pages can
easily be removed or exchanged after modification. This is why I prefer
hardcopy braille over html..
---
Be positive! When it comes to being
Hello,
The only problem with civilization II and freecol for example for I have
played those the most, is the fact that getting around in the map is
slow and timeconsuming. Not impossible, but time consuming, especially
if one wants to add fortresses and other things.
With regards
Dengo Jürgen
Hi Charles:
No kidding. $5 USD per page would be outrageously expensive to braille
a document and I know APH and other organizations don't charge that
much although buying a braille book, menu, etc from them is fairly
expensive.
However, thanks to technology though we can cut the cost to almost
n
Games for the blind do not need graphics, so that is not a flaw, in my
opinion.
---
Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Mohsin Ali"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, December
Good grief charlse, those costs in the states must be mch! less than
when i last checked in Britain.
Over hear, last rate for embossing I saw was £5 a page, (or about 9usd),
actually not so much less than what you'd pay to have the thing read. This
admitedly was quite some time ago and I'm
At $5 a page, a 100 page document would be far too costly. I don't know of
anyone who charges that much for producing braille documents. I checked
into the cost of braille embossing several years ago, and was looking at
producing braille menus for roughly 20 cents per page. This was before th
Sadly charlse that's not how most coroproations work, what, do
something against the main corproate policy? they could get into trouble!
I'm actually serious on this, the amount of times I've asked for some sort
of access considderation and been told some varient of "sorry head office
won
With all the competition, and due to the fact that the big companies are
focusing on graphical effects rather than actual game content, won't they
eventually bite the dust if gamers realize these facts?
---
Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! reall
Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a
manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible
chess equipment, one store might be able to accommodate a blind chess
enthusiast. In order to get to the top, you've got to start at the bottom.
Maybe
I've not heard anything about resets. Heck, space odyssey doesn't reset
exactly, you keep all your expeirence, research etc, it just redistributes
all in game resources, and that doesn't happen very often.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From:
To: "Gamers Discussion
So is astro galaxy a persistent game? Or does it reset forcing you to start
back at scratch?
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] space games was RE: Civilization games on PCor iPhone
From: "dark"
Date: 11:12:2013 3.32 pm
I switched back to Ce, though my reasoning was slightly different.
I switched back to Ce, though my reasoning was slightly different. It is
true that in the game your main goal is doing missions for experience etc,
and that other than the alien attacks the missions are all pretty much the
same in terms of go and have a fight, for all the fights vary in nastines
we are not recommending them, as I pointed out to the sender of the article,
that the whole point of a VI sports club is to get blind/visually impaired
people out and doing the physically active club things, but felt that the
article would have a place on this list.
Simon
- Original Messa
Thanks for letting us know.
I'll post a link to the article on Rs games page, since I beet they'd be
interested to know that sports clubs are recommending their games.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "goshawk on horseback"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3
well Mohsin, I didn't personally take your comments as offensive, just as a
perspective I didn't personally agree entirely with. What you say about
goals though is an itneresting point, though i suspect it's something which
will change as more games are developed.
Lunimals for example has a ba
received the below today, and thought it would be more at home here than to the
club it was addressed to originally.
Simon
- Original Message -
From: Robin Armit
To: goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: Quality online games for the
I must admit i do have to agree with you on the point of audio games there. I
get bored of them very quickly. I love games that are long term games.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Civilization games on PC or iPhone
From: Mohsin Ali
Date: 11:12:2013 2.55 pm
Hi All! !
first of all..
Hi All! !
first of all... my statement was not meant to be an offense towards
the individual programmers. I appologize if it did sound like that.
now to Dark,
I must admit that I have not played most of the above mentioned games
but have played the games like CastAways and TimeOfConflict. Also,
Do you still play space odacy? I sort of got a bit bored of it. I mean yeah
it's ok as games go but considering how large the galaxy is much more could
be done with it than simply build ships do missions get blown up and do more
missions.
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-bou
Hi Darren.
Well yes, it's a shame we've not heard from Zack for a while, i hope he's
okay. I agree on Aurora, even learning the interface and game sufficiently
to determine what access changes need to be made is quite some task, and I
confess it's not one I've had time for myself for precisely
Yeah where is zac I haven't seen him on here for quite a while actualy.
Aurora is something I'd like to look at but I really don't know if I can be
bothered to download it read up on it then get disappointed because it's not
that playable.
Speaking of astro galaxy dark, have the developers given a
To be honest Darren I never got Aurora to even a vaguely playable state
where I could determine what was or was not accesible in the game, just
because the game, the interface, the setup even the documentation were so
mind bogglingly complex it was near impossible to tell where to start,
especi
Hi,
Is Aurora accessible yet?
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark
Sent: 11 December 2013 11:43
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Civilization games on PC or iPhone
Hi Mohsin.
That is simply not true. Dwarf fortress is a
Hi Mohsin.
That is simply not true. Dwarf fortress is an entirely independently
developed stratogy game which is mind bogglingly complex, unfortunately
inaccessible but still proof of what a developer can do. Aurora is a similar
one for space colonization.
Have you played the audio game
Hi Tom.
I certainly agree with you that Pc games, like games for tablets and phones
have largely gone online these days, however it is not true either that
major coorporations are keeping their hands off the Pc, or that the vast
majority of games are smaller, atari style ones. While there are!
Hi Tom.
Your statement about small developers is certainly true as I've said before,
indi devs tend to be on average very nice to deal with, though whether
the fat cat coorporations such as Sony, Nintendo, Capcom, square, namco etc
will take any notice whatsoever is quite another question
hello guys !
I think that the above mentioned games like "Age of Empires" and
"Civilization" can not be developed in audio. the simplest fact is
that those kind of games are developed by a large number of
programmers working together as a team. If we want to develop those
kind of games, then sever
Hi all,
It's a shame there isn't such a game for us on PC. It sounds my kind of thing.
Lindsay Cowell.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Civilization games on PC or iPhone
From: Thomas Ward
Date: 11/12/2013 9:37 am
Hi Shaun:
I think he is talking more about a game based on the origin
Hi Shaun:
I think he is talking more about a game based on the original
Civilization game that was released in the 90's. In that game you
started with a caveman and you had to slowly research and evolve
through each stage of technical advancement from fire to space age
weaponry. It was great fun,
Hi Shaun:
Well, yes and no. If you are talking about PC games produced by big
name studios you are right. There is a lot less of those these days
because all the major big name studios are almost exclusively
developing for XBox, Play Station, or Wii;. However, there is a lot
more games for the PC
Hi Dark:
All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately
there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when
organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing
access to products and services.
For example, I know there are a number of game studio
64 matches
Mail list logo
