Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread ishan dhami
ya I understand liam's problem so I suggest him to choose someone and give some responsibility of LWorks. like programming and coding if he is not able to programme or if he is busy in his job then this will be the better idea. the example of PCSGames inspire us. Liam should sign the agreement

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Stephen
What if he decided to rewrite the game in BGT instead? would that work? At 03:12 PM 9/7/2014, you wrote: Dark, Agreed. A lot of audio game developers have just pulled out without any explanations, and what Justin did was just wrong in my opinion. Liam isn't doing himself any favors by not

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread ishan dhami
was. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games To some

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Lisa and all, If you have not already done so I suggest reading the post forwarded to the list which answers a few questions about Super Liam and Judgement Day. For the most part I completely understand why Liam is doing what he is doing, and I think his explanation makes sense. for those who

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Milos Przic
list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games He's not stealing anything. The software is his to begin with. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread ishan dhami
then people could still enjoy them. From Lori. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 2:38 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Tom. You might be correct about a rewrite, however given

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ishan, Let's begin with the fact that audio game developers do not and have never made a lot of money making audio games. It isn't a profitable venture and most developers do so as a hobby or just to make a little money on the side. That is why a few developers startup a company, produce a few

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ishan, I think you missed the point of that post. My mentioning of possible updates was merely speculation, a possible hypothesis, used to illustrate the fact nobody really knew what his long term intentions were. However, we now have a responce fromm Liam, and his intentions are much more

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Lisa Hayes
: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Lisa and all, If you have not already done so I suggest reading the post forwarded to the list which answers a few questions about Super Liam and Judgement Day. For the most part I completely understand why Liam is doing what he

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Stephen, Sure. However, given the fact Liam has a 9 to5 job I doubt he really has the time to put into rewriting either game from scratch in BGT. That would resolve support issues, but require more time and effort than I suspect he has to put into a couple of old games. Cheers! On 9/7/14,

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread dark
does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot for causing this much trouble), I completely disagree with his point that offering the games for free is bad for previous customers.

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Lisa Hayes
: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Stephen, Sure. However, given the fact Liam has a 9 to5 job I doubt he really has the time to put

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Charles Rivard
...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Lisa and all, If you have not already done so I suggest reading the post forwarded to the list which answers a few

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread john
feel that the way he's handling things leans in that direction. -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 1:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread john
Motion seconded, and well said. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 8:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games In my

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Bryan Peterson
Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Ishan, Let's begin with the fact that audio game developers do not and have never made a lot of money making audio games. It isn't a profitable venture and most developers do so as a hobby or just to make a little

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Bryan Peterson
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:29 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games does anyone know what E-mail address I can contact Liam on? While it is Liam's choice to discontinue support for the software (silly microsoft should be shot

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread ishan dhami
needs that. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:29 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games does

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Lisa, Me being technically minded would agree with that assessment. A rewrite would be a hell of a job. Especially, considering the time and effort that would go into it. Liam has already mentioned he has a regular 9 to 5 job, and nobody wants to go to work all day and then have to come home

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Charles Rivard
milos.pr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games stealing? Yes and no. Has anyone noticed that Liam decided to drop everything after people complaining about

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ishan, Super Liam didn't die at the end of Super Liam. Liam has repeatedly stated on a number of occasions Liam doesn't actually die. The scene was created that way to leave gamers hanging for Super Liam II which never was created. The only analogies I can compare it to off the top of my head

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Jody McKinniss
He says that it would be wrong to make his games freeware because it would punish the people who bought them, but by not offering them at this point, he is punishing people who actually would buy it. So here is what I would propose. 1. Continue to see the games, with the following disclaimer: No

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Lisa Hayes
Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Lisa, Me being technically minded would agree with that assessment. A rewrite would be a hell of a job. Especially, considering the time and effort

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, Definitely agree. Anyone who purchases a product from someone and it later goes on sale or is given away for free has no right to gripe about it. If they do it is just sour grapes on part of the complainer. These things happen all the time, and it is not the sellers responsibility to

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Weather or not Microsoft deserves to be shot over dropping support for Visual Basic 6 is debatable. I seriously wish you would become an informed user and study the technical reasons why Microsoft chose to discontinue certain technologies rather than just blaming them for it. Then again,

[Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread shaun everiss
Hi all. this comes from l-works. Aparently no more superliam or judgement day anymore. they will still honour replacement keys for judgement day and superliam but obviously for whatever reason they can't support the old games anymore. Delivered-To: sm.ever...@gmail.com

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
I don't know why they can't make them as abandonware. Also what's happening with Super Egg Hunt are they still going to offer that. Confident they are but this wasn't mentioned here. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 06/09/2014 05:19, shaun

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread dark
...@icloud.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games I don't know why they can't make them as abandonware. Also what's happening with Super Egg Hunt are they still going

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
! Dark. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games I don't know why they can't make them

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread dark
To be honest christopher i wasn't keen on justin's practice either sinse while yes he did offer all his programs for free before giving them up, he still has made it utterly impossible for anyone who didn't buy them in that short time period to play them ever agaim, just as Liam has done.

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread john
Especially coming so quickly on the heels of bsc. -- From: dark d...@xgam.org Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 3:05 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games I agree

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread ishan dhami
...@icloud.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games I don't know why they can't make them as abandonware. Also what's happening with Super Egg Hunt are they still going

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ishan, Although, I haven't checked the database I'm pretty sure Liam isn't on this list or we would have heard from him before now. In any case I think some here are perhaps over reacting to the news. We don't know what Liam's long term plans are regarding these games. There is a perfectly

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread dark
Hi Tom. You might be correct about a rewrite, however given the shoddy behaviour of Justin dobemire on this issue I don't think Liam is doing any favours by not admitting as much, sinse had he said Well I'm withdrawing the games from sale while I go and rewrite them we'd all be now saying

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread tim
I'll take your word for it to much header to actually read the email. Try removing it next time if not to simple. At 12:19 AM 9/6/2014, you wrote: Hi all. this comes from l-works. Aparently no more superliam or judgement day anymore. they will still honour replacement keys for judgement day

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread loriduncan
Lori. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 2:38 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Tom. You might be correct about a rewrite, however given the shoddy behaviour of Justin dobemire

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread dark
I haven't requested a key from liam for a while so can't say anything about his key replacement policy, however given Justin's behaviour I don't think people would take Liam essentially making two classic audio games legally unavailable too well, which is why if he is planning to rewrite or

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Charles Rivard
finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games I agree chrstopher. While it is Liam's

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Charles Rivard
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi super liam and judgement day they both are good games surely liam don't want to become a super hero liam gives me disappointment and sadness. since I don't know about the super egg

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Charles Rivard
- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Ishan, Although, I haven't checked the database I'm pretty sure Liam isn't

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Charles Rivard
could still enjoy them. From Lori. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 2:38 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Tom. You might be correct about a rewrite, however given the shoddy

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread dark
Hi Charlse. Obviously if he were planning to release updates he shouldn't release freeware versions, however if he were planning to update the games maybe he should let people kkno as much so in fact people don't jump to the wrong conclusion. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Michael Gauler
True. However, if he doesn't tell the community if this is because he wants to drop the games forever, or if he is in fact working on new versions of said games. We can't know and if he doesn't say (in case of rewrites) it could upset some people. He wouldn't even need to give release dates or

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Lisa Hayes
/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games To some people, he may lose respect due to his lengthy tine

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Lisa Hayes
discontinuing sales of Legacy games Dark, Agreed. A lot of audio game developers have just pulled out without any explanations, and what Justin did was just wrong in my opinion. Liam isn't doing himself any favors by not giving more explanation as to why he is discontinuing the sales of those games

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Dark, Agreed. A lot of audio game developers have just pulled out without any explanations, and what Justin did was just wrong in my opinion. Liam isn't doing himself any favors by not giving more explanation as to why he is discontinuing the sales of those games or any plans for long term

Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, that's a given. I wish Liam had given more information about his reasoning as it would lay a number of things to rest. Just like everyone else I can only sit here and guess at what he may be thinking or planning. However, unlike many I do not actively see his actions as malicious, and