Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod
look can someone please upload to sendspace? it just redirects to the download page every time I click the download link and there is no download diolog On 1/16/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: ok guys sometimes divshare does not send links at me. here is the link to the file. shaun (shau...@xtra.co.nz) has sent you a new file! Click the link below to check it out. supermario (Liam Full.zip): http://www.divshare.com/download/6334882-382 To send and share your own files, just log in to your account at www.divshare.com/members. If you have any questions, e-mail us at supp...@divshare.com. All the best, The DivShare Team www.divshare.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Welcome!
Hi all My name is Tom, and i am from poland. You can know me from audiogames.net forum, ass seal, and i am person who made a max payne mod for super liam game. I am a video and audio gamer, totally blind. I am a drummer, but i like playing on keyboard too. If you want something more, simple write to me here, or on my MSM: liri...@hotmail.com Greetings! Tom! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Welcome!
hi man and welcome here!! -Mensagem original- De: tomasz tworek seal11...@gmail.com Para: gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 08:51 Assunto: [Audyssey] Welcome! Hi all My name is Tom, and i am from poland. You can know me from audiogames.net forum, ass seal, and i am person who made a max payne mod for super liam game. I am a video and audio gamer, totally blind. I am a drummer, but i like playing on keyboard too. If you want something more, simple write to me here, or on my MSM: liri...@hotmail.com Greetings! Tom! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3772 (20090116) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod
I don't like the mod. -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod ok you can't use a download manager with divshare. click skip to skip the add. then download this file. click skip again. there should then be a security warning if you use ie that is. you need to select download file from the options menu. At 09:02 p.m. 17/01/2009, you wrote: look can someone please upload to sendspace? it just redirects to the download page every time I click the download link and there is no download diolog On 1/16/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: ok guys sometimes divshare does not send links at me. here is the link to the file. shaun (shau...@xtra.co.nz) has sent you a new file! Click the link below to check it out. supermario (Liam Full.zip): http://www.divshare.com/download/6334882-382 To send and share your own files, just log in to your account at www.divshare.com/members. If you have any questions, e-mail us at supp...@divshare.com. All the best, The DivShare Team www.divshare.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod
hi kevin. download the max payne mod one and see if you like then. -Mensagem original- De: Kevin Weispfennig kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 12:22 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod I don't like the mod. -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod ok you can't use a download manager with divshare. click skip to skip the add. then download this file. click skip again. there should then be a security warning if you use ie that is. you need to select download file from the options menu. At 09:02 p.m. 17/01/2009, you wrote: look can someone please upload to sendspace? it just redirects to the download page every time I click the download link and there is no download diolog On 1/16/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: ok guys sometimes divshare does not send links at me. here is the link to the file. shaun (shau...@xtra.co.nz) has sent you a new file! Click the link below to check it out. supermario (Liam Full.zip): http://www.divshare.com/download/6334882-382 To send and share your own files, just log in to your account at www.divshare.com/members. If you have any questions, e-mail us at supp...@divshare.com. All the best, The DivShare Team www.divshare.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3772 (20090116) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod
I love the mod!! I can't play without it! Its cool! -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: Matheus an...@bol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod hi kevin. download the max payne mod one and see if you like then. -Mensagem original- De: Kevin Weispfennig kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 12:22 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod I don't like the mod. -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod ok you can't use a download manager with divshare. click skip to skip the add. then download this file. click skip again. there should then be a security warning if you use ie that is. you need to select download file from the options menu. At 09:02 p.m. 17/01/2009, you wrote: look can someone please upload to sendspace? it just redirects to the download page every time I click the download link and there is no download diolog On 1/16/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: ok guys sometimes divshare does not send links at me. here is the link to the file. shaun (shau...@xtra.co.nz) has sent you a new file! Click the link below to check it out. supermario (Liam Full.zip): http://www.divshare.com/download/6334882-382 To send and share your own files, just log in to your account at www.divshare.com/members. If you have any questions, e-mail us at supp...@divshare.com. All the best, The DivShare Team www.divshare.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3772 (20090116) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Sapi 5.3?
Hi On the USA Games interactive in the software requirements ther is listet sapi 5.1/5.3. WHat is Sapi 5.3 and where can I get the Sapi 5.3 enigne and voices? -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Cyberland Sound Escape
Hi friends! I looked for this tittle, but no good results, i lost it, and now it's not downloadable enythere, if someone have it, can upload it for me? Thanks T. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Sapi 5.3?
Hi Kevin, Sapi 5.3 comes with Windows Vista and Windows 7. There is no Sapi 5.3 upgrade for Windows XP and earlier. If you want Sapi 5.3 support, which comes with Microsoft Anna instead of Microsoft Sam, you have to upgrade to either Windows Vista or Windows 7. Cheers! Kevin Weispfennig wrote: Hi On the USA Games interactive in the software requirements ther is listet sapi 5.1/5.3. WHat is Sapi 5.3 and where can I get the Sapi 5.3 enigne and voices? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Welcome!
Hi Tom and welcome! Nice to see ya here. Tuukka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod
Why not? If you give more details rather than such a flat statement, it cannot be improved to your liking because nobody knows what you don't like about it. --- If guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: Kevin Weispfennig kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod I don't like the mod. -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod ok you can't use a download manager with divshare. click skip to skip the add. then download this file. click skip again. there should then be a security warning if you use ie that is. you need to select download file from the options menu. At 09:02 p.m. 17/01/2009, you wrote: look can someone please upload to sendspace? it just redirects to the download page every time I click the download link and there is no download diolog On 1/16/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: ok guys sometimes divshare does not send links at me. here is the link to the file. shaun (shau...@xtra.co.nz) has sent you a new file! Click the link below to check it out. supermario (Liam Full.zip): http://www.divshare.com/download/6334882-382 To send and share your own files, just log in to your account at www.divshare.com/members. If you have any questions, e-mail us at supp...@divshare.com. All the best, The DivShare Team www.divshare.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod
How about letting us hear what's cool about it? Here again, you should give more details to back up your simple and uninformative statement. Thanks. --- If guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: Kevin Weispfennig kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod I love the mod!! I can't play without it! Its cool! -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: Matheus an...@bol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod hi kevin. download the max payne mod one and see if you like then. -Mensagem original- De: Kevin Weispfennig kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 12:22 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod I don't like the mod. -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod ok you can't use a download manager with divshare. click skip to skip the add. then download this file. click skip again. there should then be a security warning if you use ie that is. you need to select download file from the options menu. At 09:02 p.m. 17/01/2009, you wrote: look can someone please upload to sendspace? it just redirects to the download page every time I click the download link and there is no download diolog On 1/16/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: ok guys sometimes divshare does not send links at me. here is the link to the file. shaun (shau...@xtra.co.nz) has sent you a new file! Click the link below to check it out. supermario (Liam Full.zip): http://www.divshare.com/download/6334882-382 To send and share your own files, just log in to your account at www.divshare.com/members. If you have any questions, e-mail us at supp...@divshare.com. All the best, The DivShare Team www.divshare.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] Welcome!
Hi Seal, or should i say Tom. guesss who! Have fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: tomasz tworek seal11...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:51 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Welcome! Hi all My name is Tom, and i am from poland. You can know me from audiogames.net forum, ass seal, and i am person who made a max payne mod for super liam game. I am a video and audio gamer, totally blind. I am a drummer, but i like playing on keyboard too. If you want something more, simple write to me here, or on my MSM: liri...@hotmail.com Greetings! Tom! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod
Its just sounds cool. All sounds are replaced and sutch, its just cool! -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod How about letting us hear what's cool about it? Here again, you should give more details to back up your simple and uninformative statement. Thanks. --- If guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: Kevin Weispfennig kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod I love the mod!! I can't play without it! Its cool! -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: Matheus an...@bol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod hi kevin. download the max payne mod one and see if you like then. -Mensagem original- De: Kevin Weispfennig kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 12:22 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod I don't like the mod. -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] supermario mod ok you can't use a download manager with divshare. click skip to skip the add. then download this file. click skip again. there should then be a security warning if you use ie that is. you need to select download file from the options menu. At 09:02 p.m. 17/01/2009, you wrote: look can someone please upload to sendspace? it just redirects to the download page every time I click the download link and there is no download diolog On 1/16/09, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: ok guys sometimes divshare does not send links at me. here is the link to the file. shaun (shau...@xtra.co.nz) has sent you a new file! Click the link below to check it out. supermario (Liam Full.zip): http://www.divshare.com/download/6334882-382 To send and share your own files, just log in to your account at www.divshare.com/members. If you have any questions, e-mail us at supp...@divshare.com. All the best, The DivShare Team www.divshare.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] SoundRTS question
Hi all, I have a question if anyone would be interested in eventually having a game of SoundRTS with me? I am new to it, and would like to check it out. Best regards and thanks, Christian --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff
I can't seem to bring up gamemastersrealm.com. Any thoughts? Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shadow Dragon Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff I have to agree, usurper is pretty neat. You can still find it at gamemastersrealm.com. Its one of the few good bbs's that's still around. True, its not really necessary to advance in the guild, but it's the only way to train your skills past adept and get into the more powerful stuff from what I understand. Perhaps I'll give it another go at some point, the martial arts classes were entertaining with their combos and the like. But it should be interesting to see the non-roleplay alternative that iron realms comes up with once their next two games are finished as well. -- From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff There's an old, old game for grinding that I thought was pretty good. Usurper. I have a copy of it, but I don't know how to host it. As for Iron Realms, if you have an out of character question, TELL one of the fate guides. That word, TELL, is in all caps, by the way, to denote a command. Tell Fate-Guide message. Remove fate-guide and insert name. Correct spelling is a must, however. This also works with other people. It's private communication, and fate guides are used to that sort of question. There are a lot of commands, and I'm not surprised that they're eluding you. THey're eluding me, and I feel pretty devoted. As I said in my original post, Iron Realms seems to be about the players and their requests. I know what it is to not want to do the homework to advance in guilds. I may never do it. It's not necessary, you know. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 1/13/09, Orin orin8...@gmail.com wrote: Most of IR's quests are awesome, and they need to be put into other muds. In those quests it's not all about grinding. Yet on other muds, in those quests you have to kill something, go back and get quest points. I hate quest points. Nothing significent about them accept getting what grinders like, better equipment. I personally can't wait to see what IR has for a scifi game. It'll be awesome and I'll probably stay on that one than I had more of the others because scifi is more of my thing. I must say, though, that I might try Lasternia again, since it was the game I had the most success on the first time playing. On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:19 PM, William L. Houts wrote: I must be loony, but I love all of the homework in Iron Realms games. There are plenty of muds out there for grinding; most of them, in fact. Iron Realms is games are some of the few in which you really have to think about what you're doing, whether you're a paladin or a mage. If the IR crew wants to put up a new game for more hack and slash players --and I'm not knocking that, everyone has fun in a different way--that would be great, but for one I'd hate to see the existing games converted into that sort of thing. --Bill - Original Message - From: Orin orin8...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff Yeah, me too. Iron Rrealms games would be awesome without the roleplay and guild requirements that have at least 21 steps, including an interview at the end. Also, in-character when I want to know, for example, a command, I have trouble asking about it IC. On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Shadow Dragon wrote: Not sure how many people this will interest, but this morning I sent an email to the iron realms team asking about alternate versions of the games with a focus more on exploration, questing and grinding rather than on roleplay, pvp and politics. Here's the response I got. Response here: That is actually a good idea and something I have considered, something with very relaxed rules for PK, gaining 'class', and role play. However, we currently have two games in production. Perhaps after those two are released we will look into doing something like this. Thanks for the email. - Jeremy Looks promising, in my opinion at least. I've always wanted to get deeper into the iron realms stuff without having to worry about the roleplay side of things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the
[Audyssey] Night of Parasite
Hello, I was on Audiogames.net and wanted to download Night of Parasite, for some reason the link brings up a page that has some type of trouble, does anyone know how I can download this game? Thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff
Its not a website. Have to use a telnet client to connect to it. A mud client might work, not sure. I never seemed to have any luck with them anyway. I usually just go to run and type in telnet gamemastersrealm.com -- From: Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:59 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff I can't seem to bring up gamemastersrealm.com. Any thoughts? Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shadow Dragon Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff I have to agree, usurper is pretty neat. You can still find it at gamemastersrealm.com. Its one of the few good bbs's that's still around. True, its not really necessary to advance in the guild, but it's the only way to train your skills past adept and get into the more powerful stuff from what I understand. Perhaps I'll give it another go at some point, the martial arts classes were entertaining with their combos and the like. But it should be interesting to see the non-roleplay alternative that iron realms comes up with once their next two games are finished as well. -- From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff There's an old, old game for grinding that I thought was pretty good. Usurper. I have a copy of it, but I don't know how to host it. As for Iron Realms, if you have an out of character question, TELL one of the fate guides. That word, TELL, is in all caps, by the way, to denote a command. Tell Fate-Guide message. Remove fate-guide and insert name. Correct spelling is a must, however. This also works with other people. It's private communication, and fate guides are used to that sort of question. There are a lot of commands, and I'm not surprised that they're eluding you. THey're eluding me, and I feel pretty devoted. As I said in my original post, Iron Realms seems to be about the players and their requests. I know what it is to not want to do the homework to advance in guilds. I may never do it. It's not necessary, you know. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 1/13/09, Orin orin8...@gmail.com wrote: Most of IR's quests are awesome, and they need to be put into other muds. In those quests it's not all about grinding. Yet on other muds, in those quests you have to kill something, go back and get quest points. I hate quest points. Nothing significent about them accept getting what grinders like, better equipment. I personally can't wait to see what IR has for a scifi game. It'll be awesome and I'll probably stay on that one than I had more of the others because scifi is more of my thing. I must say, though, that I might try Lasternia again, since it was the game I had the most success on the first time playing. On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:19 PM, William L. Houts wrote: I must be loony, but I love all of the homework in Iron Realms games. There are plenty of muds out there for grinding; most of them, in fact. Iron Realms is games are some of the few in which you really have to think about what you're doing, whether you're a paladin or a mage. If the IR crew wants to put up a new game for more hack and slash players --and I'm not knocking that, everyone has fun in a different way--that would be great, but for one I'd hate to see the existing games converted into that sort of thing. --Bill - Original Message - From: Orin orin8...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff Yeah, me too. Iron Rrealms games would be awesome without the roleplay and guild requirements that have at least 21 steps, including an interview at the end. Also, in-character when I want to know, for example, a command, I have trouble asking about it IC. On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Shadow Dragon wrote: Not sure how many people this will interest, but this morning I sent an email to the iron realms team asking about alternate versions of the games with a focus more on exploration, questing and grinding rather than on roleplay, pvp and politics. Here's the response I got. Response here: That is actually a good idea and something I have considered, something with very relaxed rules for PK, gaining 'class', and role play. However, we currently have two games in production. Perhaps after those two are released we will look into doing something like this. Thanks for the email. - Jeremy Looks promising, in my opinion at least. I've always wanted to get deeper into the iron realms stuff without having to worry about the roleplay side of things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
i personaly didn't preordered the game but have to agree with you will in this point, well with all the bugs and things i don't see a problem in distributing it to who payd it and include then in the private beta testers. well this is only my opinion. -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 21:10 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3773 (20090117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi, I have not preordered this game either, but I also agree with you guys. Best regards, Christian On 2009-01-17 at 19:15 Matheus wrote: i personaly didn't preordered the game but have to agree with you will in this point, well with all the bugs and things i don't see a problem in distributing it to who payd it and include then in the private beta testers. well this is only my opinion. -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 21:10 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3773 (20090117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Well in the end it's up to the dev to determine who helps with the game, and also when it's released Be that to a testing team or the general public. Ron - Original Message - From: Cory ckadl...@verizon.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients I back you guys on this one. - Original Message - From: Christian christia...@runbox.com To: gamers@audyssey.org; gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Hi, I have not preordered this game either, but I also agree with you guys. Best regards, Christian On 2009-01-17 at 19:15 Matheus wrote: i personaly didn't preordered the game but have to agree with you will in this point, well with all the bugs and things i don't see a problem in distributing it to who payd it and include then in the private beta testers. well this is only my opinion. -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 21:10 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3773 (20090117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
I didn't pre-oder either but agree. -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: Cory ckadl...@verizon.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients I back you guys on this one. - Original Message - From: Christian christia...@runbox.com To: gamers@audyssey.org; gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Hi, I have not preordered this game either, but I also agree with you guys. Best regards, Christian On 2009-01-17 at 19:15 Matheus wrote: i personaly didn't preordered the game but have to agree with you will in this point, well with all the bugs and things i don't see a problem in distributing it to who payd it and include then in the private beta testers. well this is only my opinion. -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 21:10 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3773 (20090117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff
I follow you that it requires telnet, but it seems I can't connect that way. I'm told that the host lookup failed. Is it possible the site is down? Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shadow Dragon Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff Its not a website. Have to use a telnet client to connect to it. A mud client might work, not sure. I never seemed to have any luck with them anyway. I usually just go to run and type in telnet gamemastersrealm.com -- From: Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:59 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff I can't seem to bring up gamemastersrealm.com. Any thoughts? Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shadow Dragon Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff I have to agree, usurper is pretty neat. You can still find it at gamemastersrealm.com. Its one of the few good bbs's that's still around. True, its not really necessary to advance in the guild, but it's the only way to train your skills past adept and get into the more powerful stuff from what I understand. Perhaps I'll give it another go at some point, the martial arts classes were entertaining with their combos and the like. But it should be interesting to see the non-roleplay alternative that iron realms comes up with once their next two games are finished as well. -- From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff There's an old, old game for grinding that I thought was pretty good. Usurper. I have a copy of it, but I don't know how to host it. As for Iron Realms, if you have an out of character question, TELL one of the fate guides. That word, TELL, is in all caps, by the way, to denote a command. Tell Fate-Guide message. Remove fate-guide and insert name. Correct spelling is a must, however. This also works with other people. It's private communication, and fate guides are used to that sort of question. There are a lot of commands, and I'm not surprised that they're eluding you. THey're eluding me, and I feel pretty devoted. As I said in my original post, Iron Realms seems to be about the players and their requests. I know what it is to not want to do the homework to advance in guilds. I may never do it. It's not necessary, you know. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 1/13/09, Orin orin8...@gmail.com wrote: Most of IR's quests are awesome, and they need to be put into other muds. In those quests it's not all about grinding. Yet on other muds, in those quests you have to kill something, go back and get quest points. I hate quest points. Nothing significent about them accept getting what grinders like, better equipment. I personally can't wait to see what IR has for a scifi game. It'll be awesome and I'll probably stay on that one than I had more of the others because scifi is more of my thing. I must say, though, that I might try Lasternia again, since it was the game I had the most success on the first time playing. On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:19 PM, William L. Houts wrote: I must be loony, but I love all of the homework in Iron Realms games. There are plenty of muds out there for grinding; most of them, in fact. Iron Realms is games are some of the few in which you really have to think about what you're doing, whether you're a paladin or a mage. If the IR crew wants to put up a new game for more hack and slash players --and I'm not knocking that, everyone has fun in a different way--that would be great, but for one I'd hate to see the existing games converted into that sort of thing. --Bill - Original Message - From: Orin orin8...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Iron Realms Stuff Yeah, me too. Iron Rrealms games would be awesome without the roleplay and guild requirements that have at least 21 steps, including an interview at the end. Also, in-character when I want to know, for example, a command, I have trouble asking about it IC. On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Shadow Dragon wrote: Not sure how many people this will interest, but this morning I sent an email to the iron realms team asking about alternate versions of the games with a focus more on exploration, questing and grinding rather than on roleplay, pvp and politics. Here's the response I got. Response here: That is actually a good idea and something I have considered,
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi, I personally don't agree with your point of views. Beta testers need to know alot about audiogames, and are competent enough to test it all, and have enough time to do it. (I am not saying you all are incompetent) Everyone can't be a beta tester, or else what is the point of it being a beta in the first place. Also, it's certainly not fun to give code with bugs in it to the public. I am sure any other person who has ever dealt with code, or released something to the public would feel the same way I do. I fully support Tom on what he's doing. Ultimately, it's up to the developer. I do not intend to start a flame, argue, etc, just stating what I think. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Have to agree with ryan here. I was under the impression that it wasn't really up for vote. If the dev says its not ready to be released to the general public, which includes people who pre-ordered the game, then its probably not ready to be released. Odds are the game is in a barely playable stage, with plenty of bugs to be ironed out. I imagine the beta testers will be the people who pre-ordered the game, when the game is in a much more playable stage. I have to say I'm surprised games like entombed are available for general testing. In one sense it helps to have more testers so more bugs can be found, but in another sense it draws out a lot of people who are expecting a full game and don't realize its barely been started. Not meant to be taken personally and not directed at anyone in particular but, there you have it. Just my personal opinion. -- From: Ryan Smith computerwi...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Hi, I personally don't agree with your point of views. Beta testers need to know alot about audiogames, and are competent enough to test it all, and have enough time to do it. (I am not saying you all are incompetent) Everyone can't be a beta tester, or else what is the point of it being a beta in the first place. Also, it's certainly not fun to give code with bugs in it to the public. I am sure any other person who has ever dealt with code, or released something to the public would feel the same way I do. I fully support Tom on what he's doing. Ultimately, it's up to the developer. I do not intend to start a flame, argue, etc, just stating what I think. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Well in Entombed's case, I'm new to the community so I thought a broader test phase would be better. It's true, there is a real danger in turning people off your game when they test it expecting a much more polished experience. I think it helps to only open the game to testers when it will exceed their expectations. That first impression is important. Just things I've learned to better apply to future projects. Jason On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote: Have to agree with ryan here. I was under the impression that it wasn't really up for vote. If the dev says its not ready to be released to the general public, which includes people who pre-ordered the game, then its probably not ready to be released. Odds are the game is in a barely playable stage, with plenty of bugs to be ironed out. I imagine the beta testers will be the people who pre-ordered the game, when the game is in a much more playable stage. I have to say I'm surprised games like entombed are available for general testing. In one sense it helps to have more testers so more bugs can be found, but in another sense it draws out a lot of people who are expecting a full game and don't realize its barely been started. Not meant to be taken personally and not directed at anyone in particular but, there you have it. Just my personal opinion. -- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
I'm glad you opened entombed up to general testing, I'm not sure how much longer I could have waited for it to come out *grins*. Even in its current stage it's a pretty good experience. Looking forward to the next build, bugs and all. Just out of curiosity, is it going to stay open to general testing? Or will it eventually go back into a closed alpha stage if too many bugs start showing up? -- From: Jason Allen evildi...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Well in Entombed's case, I'm new to the community so I thought a broader test phase would be better. It's true, there is a real danger in turning people off your game when they test it expecting a much more polished experience. I think it helps to only open the game to testers when it will exceed their expectations. That first impression is important. Just things I've learned to better apply to future projects. Jason On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote: Have to agree with ryan here. I was under the impression that it wasn't really up for vote. If the dev says its not ready to be released to the general public, which includes people who pre-ordered the game, then its probably not ready to be released. Odds are the game is in a barely playable stage, with plenty of bugs to be ironed out. I imagine the beta testers will be the people who pre-ordered the game, when the game is in a much more playable stage. I have to say I'm surprised games like entombed are available for general testing. In one sense it helps to have more testers so more bugs can be found, but in another sense it draws out a lot of people who are expecting a full game and don't realize its barely been started. Not meant to be taken personally and not directed at anyone in particular but, there you have it. Just my personal opinion. -- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Ron, Thanks. Yes, sometimes you have to trust the developer's judgment about some things like this. I discovered with Montezuma's Revenge there is a lot of good and bad things that can come out of releasing a test build too early to the entire public at large. Yes, I might be able to find a lot more testers, but all too often people just show up wanting to play a free game. I've also learned sometimes those possible testers show up with unrealistic expectations. Such as they see that you can save a game in the documentation, try it, and immediately send off a bug report when it doesn't happen. Although I am fully aware of the issue, and it won't get turned back on until the new Genesis Engine is integrated into MOTA. To put it another way, I have a general idea of when I am going to work on this or that part of the game. I have a schedule in my mind, an order I am doing things in, and it certainly wouldn't help me any if I have x number of gamers asking for this that or the other thing at this point in time. It makes little sense for me to turn on the save game feature right now since the new Genesis engine has some newer classes that aren't compatible with the older classes used in MOTA 0.4. For example, in the latest Genesis Engine I have split the player class into smaller more specific class types. The class Angela Carter uses in 0.5 is the Adventurer3D class which is designed for a more treasure hunting theme. However, previously in 0,.4 and earlier that was a part of the Player3D class. If you save a game in 0.4 and tried to load it in 0.5 it would blow up in your face. So it makes more sense not to let the testers or anyone else save a game until the conversion is complete and is fairly stable. Smile. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: Hi Well in the end it's up to the dev to determine who helps with the game, and also when it's released Be that to a testing team or the general public. Ron --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi, Well, the game is certainly playable, but there are many features currently disabled for one reason or another. As I said a couple times already 0.5 is going to be a pretty major upgrade from 0.4 so I am certainly not going to release 0.4 with such a major release on the way. Shadow Dragon wrote: Have to agree with ryan here. I was under the impression that it wasn't really up for vote. If the dev says its not ready to be released to the general public, which includes people who pre-ordered the game, then its probably not ready to be released. Odds are the game is in a barely playable stage, with plenty of bugs to be ironed out. I imagine the beta testers will be the people who pre-ordered the game, when the game is in a much more playable stage. I have to say I'm surprised games like entombed are available for general testing. In one sense it helps to have more testers so more bugs can be found, but in another sense it draws out a lot of people who are expecting a full game and don't realize its barely been started. Not meant to be taken personally and not directed at anyone in particular but, there you have it. Just my personal opinion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] being a beta tester - Re: beta of mysteries of the ancients
That's what a public beta will be for. A game manufacturer chooses who they know, or has hear of, that they feel will be a good beta tester based on several issues. Some of those issues are their ability to communicate clearly with no confusion of their meaning, their ability to communicate any problems they find with a beta by being able to tell others at what stage of the game a problem occurred and how they caused the problem to occur, their willingness to work with others to resolve an issue that comes up, their ability to come up with ideas on why a problem might have occurred and how to fix it based on their knowledge of computers, programming, and other factors. There are probably other factors that also come into play that I haven't mentioned as well. Sometimes, a developer does put notices out that he or she is looking for testers, while at other times, enough people have already worked on other projects with the developer and he or she wants them to test this game based on previous experiences as team members. It's the decision of the developer of any game as to how testers are chosen and who they will be. At times, some testers have to be replaced due to unfortunate circumstances, and then the developer must find replacements, but how they do so is up to them. The fact that they preordered a game might, or might not, weigh into the decision. Testing is fun, and it is a lot of time consuming work, and it takes dedication and education. Not everyone who plays a game can be a good tester. Even a public beta is not merely for playing. When it does come out, let's all give Tom all the constructive feedback we can, so that the game is as good as it can be, and so he can move on to his plans for the future of USA Games! Until that beta comes out, let's let the testers do their work in preparation. Tom? I'm behind you all the way! I hope the new engine and the betas go smoothly in all testing phases! --- If guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
thatk you tom, I see your points - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Hi Will, I certainly understand and respect your point of view, but there are other issues to consider here. First, right now Mysteries of the Ancients is currently alpha software not a beta. What that means in programmer lingo is a program functional for testing, but is known to have bugs and is not a complete program. Betas are more or less complete programs, but are known to have bugs. There is a big difference between an alpha and a beta. For example, Mysteries of the Ancients 0.4 alpha only has the first level complete. So even if you guys got it you would come to the end of level 1 and that would be it. no more levels. Of course I plan to add more in the coming days and weeks, but for now obviously the game is still lacking a large portion of the game. This is one reason it is only an alpha not a beta. Here is another case in point. Not too long ago one of the private testers tried saving a game. When the game didn't save his game he asked on the testers list why it wasn't working. I explained that while the Genesis3D engine has that feature it was currently disabled because I am currently rewriting or updating large portions of the engine itself. If you save a game and you try and load it using a newer version of the engine, like the one I am working on now, the saved game will get scrambled in the process. i don't want bug reports on something i already know needs to be fixed. Second, the Genesis3D Engine uses a different product key system than Montezuma's Revenge. That means bbefore everyone who paid for Montezuma's Revenge can upgrade to Mysteries of the Ancients I will have to generate a couple hundred keys, and process all of those orders. Given the amount of time I have had lately to devote to USA Games stuff it would take me a week to process all of those orders. Personally, I think I would be more productive just working on the game, trying to get a decent demo ready, than processing all 200 orders. Third, the Mysteries of the Ancients documentation is still incomplete. Yes, i know people can figure a lot out by playing around with it, but I believe before I release anything to the general public the documentation should be as complete as possible. By supplying good documentation with the demo i can cut down on the number of general questions people are likely to ask. Finally, Mysteries of the Ancients is currently undergoing some major changes. I am presently working on integrating a newer version of the Genesis3D engine into Mysteries of the Ancients 0.5. There are some extensive changes in the newer Genesis Engine such as SDL support instead of DirectX support. I've dropped support for DirectX in the newer Genesis engine not only to make it easier to go cross platform, but installing and setting up SDL is much much easier than installing and updating DirectX 9.0C. However, I've not yet done a lot of testing with the SDL based version of Genesis myself, and I have no idea exactly how Mysteries of the Ancients will perform until i do the upgrade. In a case like that it is better to do some testing with a small group rather than releasing a possibly unstable demo on the general public. If it turns out i need to downgrade to the previous release it is easier to work with 10 people rather than 150 people. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Jason, My first two projects STFC and Montezuma's Revenge were open testing and I saw both the good and the bad in doing so. Like you said there is a lot more testers, but there is a lot of expectations and other baggage that comes with it as well. I hope I don't insult anyone by saying this, but not everyone is tester material. Some people aren't really use to working with programs that often crash, don't run properly, or even know if there system is missing some dependancy they need. I can recall a good number of cases where I had to tell people what the .NET Framework was, how to install it, and then explain to them the difference between Managed DirectX for .NET applications and the stock DirectX libraries that ships with their system. Most people were not even aware that Managed DirectX was a different component for DirectX, and doesn't ship with Windows by default. I'm not saying those people were stupid, but it did result in several basic problems with user error rather than actual bugs in the software that I had to sort out. Nothing is more frustrating trying to figure out if the error is a result of user error or as a result of screwed up code. With a smaller handpicked team it is easier to figure out who is on the same page and who is not quite up to speed yet. Jason Allen wrote: Well in Entombed's case, I'm new to the community so I thought a broader test phase would be better. It's true, there is a real danger in turning people off your game when they test it expecting a much more polished experience. I think it helps to only open the game to testers when it will exceed their expectations. That first impression is important. Just things I've learned to better apply to future projects. Jason --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Cross Platform Speech Support
Hi all, As most of you know I am currently updating MOTA 0.5 to use the new cross platform Genesis engine that uses open source game development APIs such as SDL rather than DirectX. However, I do need your input on something since there obviously is going to be a rather big difference in the way speech is handled with the new engine. In the current 0.4 release of MOTA the game gets DirectX and Sapi 5 support from the Windows specific engine. Since there is no Sapi 5 on Mac OS and Linux the newer Genesis engine uses wav files of pre-recorded speech to announce status messages, menus, etc rather than any OS specific TTS engine. There are several other game developers that do it this way like Draconis, GMA, and BSC so this isn't something new for accessible games. It is also just easier to do it this way when building a cross platform engine rather than trying to support Gnome-Speech, Apple Voices, and Sapi 5 with the same game engine. Which brings me to my question. I was going to have someone do the voice overs for the menus, status messages, for 0.5 but do to other commitments and scheduling our plans fell through. For the time being i am going to have to record all the messages using a TTS engine such as the ATT Voices, Scansoft Voices, Cepstral Voices, etc. If you had a choice which of the following voices do you personally prefer? ATT Crystal ATT Mike Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Emily Scansoft Jill Scansoft Karen Scansoft Lee Scansoft Samantha Scansoft Tom Other Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Cross Platform Speech Support
Scansoft Tom by a huge margin. Thanks. --- If guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Cross Platform Speech Support Hi all, As most of you know I am currently updating MOTA 0.5 to use the new cross platform Genesis engine that uses open source game development APIs such as SDL rather than DirectX. However, I do need your input on something since there obviously is going to be a rather big difference in the way speech is handled with the new engine. In the current 0.4 release of MOTA the game gets DirectX and Sapi 5 support from the Windows specific engine. Since there is no Sapi 5 on Mac OS and Linux the newer Genesis engine uses wav files of pre-recorded speech to announce status messages, menus, etc rather than any OS specific TTS engine. There are several other game developers that do it this way like Draconis, GMA, and BSC so this isn't something new for accessible games. It is also just easier to do it this way when building a cross platform engine rather than trying to support Gnome-Speech, Apple Voices, and Sapi 5 with the same game engine. Which brings me to my question. I was going to have someone do the voice overs for the menus, status messages, for 0.5 but do to other commitments and scheduling our plans fell through. For the time being i am going to have to record all the messages using a TTS engine such as the ATT Voices, Scansoft Voices, Cepstral Voices, etc. If you had a choice which of the following voices do you personally prefer? ATT Crystal ATT Mike Scansoft Daniel Scansoft Emily Scansoft Jill Scansoft Karen Scansoft Lee Scansoft Samantha Scansoft Tom Other Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Cross Platform Speech Support
Hi Phil,
Unfortunately no. DirectX and SDL are quite a bit different in lots of
ways that would make it difficult to support DirectX and SDL at the same
time. For example, take something simple like panning a sound to the
left or right. DirectSound and SDL Mixer have two completely different
methods of handling this.
In DirectX DirectSound to pan a sound you merely need to pass the pan
control a value from -1, max left, to 1, max right. It would
look something like this.
// Center the sound in the right speaker.
sound.Pan = 5000;
SDL Mixer doesn't do it that way. You pan sounds by controling the
stereo channels independantly of each other. Each channel has a range of
0, silence, to 250, full volume. Anyway, to do what I did above using
the SDL Audio support it would look like this.
// Center the sound in the right speaker.
channel.SetPanning(0, 125);
Obviously, the two methods aren't remotely similar, and this is a fairly
miner procedure all things considered. When we get into subjects like
SDL Input vs DirectInput we are comparing apples and oranges.
In my personal opinion SDL input support is much easier to work with
than DirectX. Even though SDL Input doesn't yet support force feedback I
rather like how they handle joysticks, game pads, and stearing wheels on
the Windows side. It is much easier to work with than DirectInput by a
long shot. To enable a joystick using SDL Input all I need to do is add
the following lines to my engine.
Events.JoystickAxisMotion +=
new EventHandlerJoystickAxisEventArgs(this.JoystickAxisChanged);
Events.JoystickButtonDown += new
EventHandlerJoystickButtonEventArgs(this.JoystickButtonDown);
joystick = Joysticks.OpenJoystick(0);
This is infinitely easier and less complicated than the way I would do
it using DirectInput. With DirectInput to do the same thing it would
look something like this.
// Attempt to locate a compatible joystick/game pad.
foreach (DeviceInstance instance in
Manager.GetDevices(DeviceClass.GameControl,
EnumDevicesFlags.AttachedOnly))
{
// Grab the first game controller we find.
joystick = new Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput.Device(instance.InstanceGuid);
// Exit the loop.
break;
}
// If we found a joystick
// proceed with initialization.
if (joystick != null)
{
// Initialize joystick state object.
stickstate = new JoystickState();
// Setup button state array.
buttons = new bool[12];
// Set joystick data format.
joystick.SetDataFormat(DeviceDataFormat.Joystick);
// Set the cooperative level.
joystick.SetCooperativeLevel(this, CooperativeLevelFlags.Background |
CooperativeLevelFlags.NonExclusive);
// Set the axis range.
// Normally a range of 1 is standard
// for most joystick and game pad devices.
foreach (DeviceObjectInstance doi in joystick.Objects)
{
// If the joystick axis is not 0
// set it to 5000 units per stick direction.
if ((doi.ObjectId (int)DeviceObjectTypeFlags.Axis) != 0)
{
// Set axis range.
joystick.Properties.SetRange(ParameterHow.ById,
doi.ObjectId, new InputRange(-5000, 5000));
}
}
// Set joystick axis flag.
joystick.Properties.AxisModeAbsolute = true;
// Aquire the joystick for use.
joystick.Acquire();
}
// If initialization failed
// set joystick to null
// and continue with normal operation.
else
{
joystick = null;
}
Smile. That is just a strait grab any joystick we see piece of code
using DirectX. That doesn't have any special features like force
feedback or some of the more advanced features of DirectInput. As you
can see from a programming point of view DirectX is infinitely more
complicated and not at all compatible with SDL. Part of the reason I
made the switch is SDL is much much easier to learn, use, and it
supports Mac OS and Linux as well as Windows. I think eventually
switching to it will pay off as it has its own advantages/disadvantages
here.
Cheers!
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Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
It is Thomas's decision. Over and over people pushed him into doing things, heck if he had his way this would be a 3d game. Respect his decision. Cory wrote: I back you guys on this one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
