Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Very true Dark.  For something like a single game, I wouldn't expect anyone to 
go out and buy a web cam, although someone might have that desire.  I have 
pretty much assumed this head band idea would only be considered by those who 
already owned a web cam, or had one built right in to their laptop.

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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[dark]

Hi.

Well that seems reasonable, though to be honest for me, and probably for 
others, if this is the headband design you were talking about on 
audiogames.net, the biggest worry would be getting a web ccam to track it, 
sinse no other game or application I have would require one, I'd thus need 
to think carefully about whether to get one or not.


Of course, for people who have machines with built in webcams anyway as most 
modern laptops come with them this isn't an issue, however this will come up 
whatever is charged for the headband or the game.


all the best,

Dark.
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A flat rate is a pretty good idea, and it does help things seem more fair 
to everyone.  I'll have a better idea of a final price once I settle on a 
final design for the map and head band.


As far as the game goes, I wanted to mention that it will be free.  Time 
and time again I have struggled with the decision to sell games, since I 
could use money (who couldn't?!) but I also don't want anyone to be unable 
to play my games because of financial reasons.  These items I'm looking to 
ship, are optional accessories to the game, but they are not required to 
play it.  As I'd mentioned in another post, the game will have keyboard 
controls to handle all of the features the headband can perform, and the 
tactile map would be quite helpful, but the game still offers its own 
navigation methods.


You are correct Dark, future projects can use this head band as well.  The 
way I figure it, spreading hundreds of these out into the community can 
only be a good thing!  Not only can I personally utilize it in the future, 
but other developers may choose to add head tracking to their own games 
since a standard design would already be owned by players.  I'm not sure 
if that idea would ever catch on, but it's at least neat knowing it's a 
possibility.


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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Trouble]

Looks like you got a pretty good plan there. I know trying to do 
something as low as possible can be a 
hindrance 
but something will work out for the best.


At 11:40 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:
Thanks for the info Trouble, I think that pretty much closes the 
door on the free shipping option.  I'll admit, I'm disappointed, but 
honestly when I started the idea of sending out physical items I 
fully expected to pay for shipping.  To get an idea, I put the 
package specs in to a shipping cost estimator and came up with the 
following 2 estimations.  If I mailed this to Nocturnus, in Texas, 
it estimates a cost of $2.28 with the cheapest option.  Even this 
lowest option guessed the package would arrive in about 3 days.  I'm 
quite far across the country in Michigan, so I think this just about 
represents the highest cost to ship to any of the mainland 
states.  I put in your address Dark, and it estimated $7.39 but was 
unable to guess how long the delivery would take.


These shipping estimates are much more reasonable now, compared to 
when I first tried them.  Originally I wasn't far enough along so I 
didn't have exact package dimensions and weight to enter in to the 
cost estimator.  Apparently that helps a lot, because I'm pretty 
sure I remember seeing estimates twice this size.


If I assemble them for free, and only charge for materials, it would 
add about $4 on to the shipping fees.  It is a shame that those who 
live outside of the US would be paying more, but does $6.30 through 
about $11.40 seem like a low enough price that this is worth 
doing?  My first thoughts would be to charge only shipping and 
materials, and allow people to add in a "tip" if they wanted to give 
me something toward the time of assembling everything, but I don't 
know if that's such a good idea haha.  This would seem like the 
nicest option, but I have a feeling most people would only pay the 
minimum price.  I guess I don't know, so I welcome anyone else's 
thoughts on this.


Ron brings up an interesting thought.  If he was able to send CDs to 
other blind individuals, does this mean he could have sent this 
materials out for free as well?  I guess I'm just thinking out loud, 
but I wonder if I could send a bunch to someone, who could then turn 
around and mail them out individually for free.


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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Jeremy,

The price range sounds reasonable to me. Especially, if future games
and so on will be able to use the headband etc it would be a miner
upfront cost/investment.

On 6/24/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky  wrote:
> Thanks for the info Trouble, I think that pretty much closes the door on the
> free shipping option.  I'll admit, I'm disappointed, but honestly when I
> started the idea of sending out physical items I fully expected to pay for
> shipping.  To get an idea, I put the package specs in to a shipping cost
> estimator and came up with the following 2 estimations.  If I mailed this to
> Nocturnus, in Texas, it estimates a cost of $2.28 with the cheapest option.
> Even this lowest option guessed the package would arrive in about 3 days.
> I'm quite far across the country in Michigan, so I think this just about
> represents the highest cost to ship to any of the mainland states.  I put in
> your address Dark, and it estimated $7.39 but was unable to guess how long
> the delivery would take.
>
> These shipping estimates are much more reasonable now, compared to when I
> first tried them.  Originally I wasn't far enough along so I didn't have
> exact package dimensions and weight to enter in to the cost estimator.
> Apparently that helps a lot, because I'm pretty sure I remember seeing
> estimates twice this size.
>
> If I assemble them for free, and only charge for materials, it would add
> about $4 on to the shipping fees.  It is a shame that those who live outside
> of the US would be paying more, but does $6.30 through about $11.40 seem
> like a low enough price that this is worth doing?  My first thoughts would
> be to charge only shipping and materials, and allow people to add in a "tip"
> if they wanted to give me something toward the time of assembling
> everything, but I don't know if that's such a good idea haha.  This would
> seem like the nicest option, but I have a feeling most people would only pay
> the minimum price.  I guess I don't know, so I welcome anyone else's
> thoughts on this.
>
> Ron brings up an interesting thought.  If he was able to send CDs to other
> blind individuals, does this mean he could have sent this materials out for
> free as well?  I guess I'm just thinking out loud, but I wonder if I could
> send a bunch to someone, who could then turn around and mail them out
> individually for free.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi ron,

Ok? I think a lot of this is up to the Post Master. According to the
NFB article Trouble linked to earlier cds are not on the official
approved list of items that can be sent via the U.S. Postal Service
free matter. That said, the article is rather old so it could be out
of date.

On 6/24/11, Ron Schamerhorn  wrote:
> I've used it a fair bit sending stuff to other blind folks like cd's and
> such without any troubles.

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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

A flat rate is a pretty good idea, and it does help things seem more fair to 
everyone.  I'll have a better idea of a final price once I settle on a final 
design for the map and head band.

As far as the game goes, I wanted to mention that it will be free.  Time and 
time again I have struggled with the decision to sell games, since I could use 
money (who couldn't?!) but I also don't want anyone to be unable to play my 
games because of financial reasons.  These items I'm looking to ship, are 
optional accessories to the game, but they are not required to play it.  As I'd 
mentioned in another post, the game will have keyboard controls to handle all 
of the features the headband can perform, and the tactile map would be quite 
helpful, but the game still offers its own navigation methods.

You are correct Dark, future projects can use this head band as well.  The way 
I figure it, spreading hundreds of these out into the community can only be a 
good thing!  Not only can I personally utilize it in the future, but other 
developers may choose to add head tracking to their own games since a standard 
design would already be owned by players.  I'm not sure if that idea would ever 
catch on, but it's at least neat knowing it's a possibility.

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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[dark]

Hi Aprone.

personally, dollar 11 is okay for me, sinse that works out at around 6 
pounds. yes, me paying more because I happen not to live in the us is 
irritating, but so long as it isn't too much it doesn't strike me as a 
problem,  eg, free in the us but 7 dollars for postage elsewhere, 
afterall if you lived in the uk or even in mainland Europe matters would be 
reversed.


As a suggestion though, instead of trying to do this at cost and having 
different international prices, why not just charge everyone a minimal price 
and leave it at that,  say 12 dollars per person, in or out of the us.


Extra cash goes into game developement making more products etc, and your 
not reliant on people's donations to keep things running but can have a 
reasonable prophit to plow into making more for the game.


of course, if I'm expected to pay eleven or tweleve dollars, I will expect a 
reasonably sized game with lots to do in it and not something I'm likely to 
finish in five minutes, but I think this is possible.


Pluss of course, once people have the head band, you can develope more stuff 
for it later, and the more people have it, the more worth while it'll be for 
you to use it.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Thanks for the info Trouble, I think that pretty much closes the door on the 
free shipping option.  I'll admit, I'm disappointed, but honestly when I 
started the idea of sending out physical items I fully expected to pay for 
shipping.  To get an idea, I put the package specs in to a shipping cost 
estimator and came up with the following 2 estimations.  If I mailed this to 
Nocturnus, in Texas, it estimates a cost of $2.28 with the cheapest option.  
Even this lowest option guessed the package would arrive in about 3 days.  I'm 
quite far across the country in Michigan, so I think this just about represents 
the highest cost to ship to any of the mainland states.  I put in your address 
Dark, and it estimated $7.39 but was unable to guess how long the delivery 
would take.

These shipping estimates are much more reasonable now, compared to when I first 
tried them.  Originally I wasn't far enough along so I didn't have exact 
package dimensions and weight to enter in to the cost estimator.  Apparently 
that helps a lot, because I'm pretty sure I remember seeing estimates twice 
this size.

If I assemble them for free, and only charge for materials, it would add about 
$4 on to the shipping fees.  It is a shame that those who live outside of the 
US would be paying more, but does $6.30 through about $11.40 seem like a low 
enough price that this is worth doing?  My first thoughts would be to charge 
only shipping and materials, and allow people to add in a "tip" if they wanted 
to give me something toward the time of assembling everything, but I don't know 
if that's such a good idea haha.  This would seem like the nicest option, but I 
have a feeling most people would only pay the minimum price.  I guess I don't 
know, so I welcome anyone else's thoughts on this.

Ron brings up an interesting thought.  If he was able to send CDs to other 
blind individuals, does this mean he could have sent this materials out for 
free as well?  I guess I'm just thinking out loud, but I wonder if I could send 
a bunch to someone, who could then turn around and mail them out individually 
for free.

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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Ron Schamerhorn]

I've used it a fair bit sending stuff to other blind folks like cd's and 
such without any troubles.

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Hi Jeremy,

Well, that is definitely stretching it as far as I am  concerned.
Yes, braille materials usually  qualify for free matter shipping, but
that generally applies to well known organizations like  American
Printing House for the Blind, the Learning Alley, the Lutheran Braille
Workers, Christian Record Service, etc who have been registered
organizations for years, and deal with the U.S. Post office on a daily
basis. You are a complete unknown. Without being registred and having
the official ink stamper from the Post Office I doubt anything you
send will go through braille or no braille.


HTH


On 6/23/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky  wrote:
> Since braille is one of the items that can be shipped, I wonder if these
> items would be allowed since the map contains some braille.  Lol, it would
> certainly be a stretch, but I'm hoping this works out.  I completely agree
> that the price needs to be as low as possible, so if there is a way to 
> have
> the shipping free in the US, there should be no trouble there.  I'm less
> hopeful for free international shipping, though I would be glad if someone
> had a solution for that too.  If this information helps anyone find a
> solution, the items would be shipped in a standard 8.5 by 11 bubble wrap
> envelope.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Trouble,

Yeah, I noticed that as well. There doesn't seem to be any official
ruling on weather a package is to be sealed or not sealed. I guess
that is why most of the stuff I get free matter is usually in some
sort of special container that can be easily opened and closed. Tapes
come in those little green boxes with snaps on them. Books come in a
square plastic box with a strap on them, and news letters come in an
envelope with a mettle clip on them that can easily be opened or
closed. I guess we now know why.

On 6/24/11, Trouble  wrote:
> Actually it's the seal of the package that gets me. Like it stated
> one post master may say seal it and another may reject it for being sealed.

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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[dark]

Hi Tom.

Actually that sounds pretty much the same as the articals for the blind 
stickers you can get from royal male over here, which pretty much work in 
the same way.


Hopefully though a reasonable solution can be found where by shipping stuff 
for this game will not cost too much to anyone outside or inside of the us.


Beware the grue!

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Actually it's the seal of the package that gets me. Like it stated 
one post master may say seal it and another may reject it for being sealed.


At 08:57 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:

Hi Trouble,

thanks for posting the article. I know the rules were strict, but
"wow!" That's pretty conclusive. Jeremy definitely can't send his
material via free matter as it doesn't meet most of the rules.

On 6/24/11, Trouble  wrote:
> Ok, enough with the guessing at what is wrong. A google search will
> turn up the info if used. here is the inof on changes made in 2003,
> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm07/bm0707/bm070705.htm
> Also you can buy the stamp at maxiaids.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

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Hi Trouble,

thanks for posting the article. I know the rules were strict, but
"wow!" That's pretty conclusive. Jeremy definitely can't send his
material via free matter as it doesn't meet most of the rules.

On 6/24/11, Trouble  wrote:
> Ok, enough with the guessing at what is wrong. A google search will
> turn up the info if used. here is the inof on changes made in 2003,
> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm07/bm0707/bm070705.htm
> Also you can buy the stamp at maxiaids.com
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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Trouble]

Here is even more info on mailings.
http://www.google.com/hws/search?hl=en&client=dell-usuk&channel=us-psp&ibd=2080929&q=useing+free+matter+for+the+blind+for+mailing+

Wish this was done in first place. Then all this false info wouldn't 
of come to play.



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[Trouble]

You do not have to be registered to use free matter for the blind. 
Even those orgs have to pay for all those cd's they send out. The 
other email tells it all.


At 08:25 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:

Hi Jeremy,

Well, that is definitely stretching it as far as I am  concerned.
Yes, braille materials usually  qualify for free matter shipping, but
that generally applies to well known organizations like  American
Printing House for the Blind, the Learning Alley, the Lutheran Braille
Workers, Christian Record Service, etc who have been registered
organizations for years, and deal with the U.S. Post office on a daily
basis. You are a complete unknown. Without being registred and having
the official ink stamper from the Post Office I doubt anything you
send will go through braille or no braille.


HTH


On 6/23/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky  wrote:
> Since braille is one of the items that can be shipped, I wonder if these
> items would be allowed since the map contains some braille.  Lol, it would
> certainly be a stretch, but I'm hoping this works out.  I completely agree
> that the price needs to be as low as possible, so if there is a way to have
> the shipping free in the US, there should be no trouble there.  I'm less
> hopeful for free international shipping, though I would be glad if someone
> had a solution for that too.  If this information helps anyone find a
> solution, the items would be shipped in a standard 8.5 by 11 bubble wrap
> envelope.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[Trouble]

Ok, enough with the guessing at what is wrong. A google search will 
turn up the info if used. here is the inof on changes made in 2003,

http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm07/bm0707/bm070705.htm
Also you can buy the stamp at maxiaids.com


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Hi Dark,

Yes, that's my understanding of the U.S. free matter for the blind
service as well. It only applies to braille books, braille news
letters, audio tapes, and sometimes to something like a talking book
player or similar specialized device. I'm not at all sure what Jeremy
wants to send via freem atter would apply as it is outside of the list
of items that usually qualify for that service.

Generally speaking, computer software and realated materials, although
specialized, has to come through the normal mail. Back before I
stopped using commercial screen readers like Jaws or Window-Eyes I
always got them through the normal mail service. That is freedom
Scientific and GW Micro had to charge me shipping and handling to ship
the product to me. They could not ship it free matter for the blind
even though it is a blind specific product. I think that is because
they aren't a non-profit organization. Since Jaws, Window-Eyes, etc
are commercial products they have to pay shipping and handling. I
don't know how that would effect Jeremy who isn't necessarily
commercially selling his games, but isn't a non-profit organization
either.

Cheers!

On 6/23/11, dark  wrote:
> Hi jeremy.
>
> I'm not sure how it is in the us, but in the uk the rnib provides free
> postage articals for the blind lables to post to and from visually impared
> people.
>
> however, the materials they can be used on can only be braille, audio tape
> or the like, and cannot be used on other things, for instance my parents got
> told off when sending me some of my prescription eye medication when i went
> to university without it using one of said lables.
>
> I'm also not sure if they work internationally.
>
> I'm afraid unless there is a way to get these relatively cheaply,  ie
> max of 15 dollars or so outside the us, I'm not sure how useable they will
> be for international players of the game, and frankly I hate the idea of the
> game being us specific for just this reason.
>
> all the best,
>
> Dark.
>
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Hi Jeremy,

Well, that is definitely stretching it as far as I am  concerned.
Yes, braille materials usually  qualify for free matter shipping, but
that generally applies to well known organizations like  American
Printing House for the Blind, the Learning Alley, the Lutheran Braille
Workers, Christian Record Service, etc who have been registered
organizations for years, and deal with the U.S. Post office on a daily
basis. You are a complete unknown. Without being registred and having
the official ink stamper from the Post Office I doubt anything you
send will go through braille or no braille.


HTH


On 6/23/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky  wrote:
> Since braille is one of the items that can be shipped, I wonder if these
> items would be allowed since the map contains some braille.  Lol, it would
> certainly be a stretch, but I'm hoping this works out.  I completely agree
> that the price needs to be as low as possible, so if there is a way to have
> the shipping free in the US, there should be no trouble there.  I'm less
> hopeful for free international shipping, though I would be glad if someone
> had a solution for that too.  If this information helps anyone find a
> solution, the items would be shipped in a standard 8.5 by 11 bubble wrap
> envelope.
>
>
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[Thomas Ward]

Hi Dark,

Don't worry about that. As I just got done  explaining in my prior
post the free matter for the blind service doesn't work the way he
thinks it does. The free matter service is specifically for non-profit
use between an organization or agency and a blind individual. It
doesn't give a blind person absolute rights to send everything via
free matter for the blind just because he or she doesn't want to pay
postage for his Christmas cards or to pay postage to mail in his
payment to a credit card company. That is completely outside of the
free matter for the blind service.

In this case shipping hardware to play a game would not qualify for
free matter for the blind service I don't think. Its definitely not
the usual thing that the U.S. Postal Services ships via free matter
for the blind. Generally, it is things like braille books, audio
books, braille news letters from agency x, perhaps a talking book
player from APH, or something like that.


On 6/24/11, dark  wrote:
> As I said, I don't mind paying so long as the price is reasonably low,
> however I wouldn't want a situation where people in the us had something for
> free while everyone else had to pay a huge great postage charge.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.
>
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[Thomas Ward]

Hi Jeremy,

No, your information/understanding is incorrect. While a blind person
can use "free matter for the blind" on some mail its only for specific
cases.

For instance, if the Library of Congress sends me a book in braille or
a book on audio  tape I have the right, as a blind individual, to
return those materials via free matter of the blind. If BSVI, BVR, or
some other government run blind agency sends me a form to fill out I
can return it via free matter for the blind. NFB, AFB, APH, the
Learning Alley, etc all can send me materials via free matter for the
blind because they are registered non-proffit organizations with the
U.S. government in dealing with blind specific products and services.

The point I want to make here is that the free matter for the blind is
a very specific service, and you can't just use it for anything you
want to. I could not, for example, mail all of my bills free matter
for the blind because that's to a regular company and not to a blind
organization, government agency, etc.  I could not ship any of my
games to you on cd because USA Games Interactive is not registered
with the U.S. government as a blind organization or non-proffit
agency. Which is what you have  to do to qualify for free matter for
the blind service.

Finally, you can't just write free matter for the blind on the
envelope. There is a special ink stamp you get from the U.S.Postal
Service that identifies you as a registered free matter for the blind
user. If you don't have that ink stamp they are going to send your
mail into the trash or send it back do to lack of proper funds. So
before you get too excited over the free matter for the blind service
its not what you have been lead to believe it is. Free matter for the
blind is simply  for non-proffit use between a blind individual and a
non-proffit organization or agency, and if you want to go that route
you have to get registered as such.

HTH


On 6/23/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky  wrote:
> Hey guys, at first this might not seem like it is game related, but it
> actually is.  I am currently stuck on something, postage related, which is
> holding up the development of a game I've been making.  Without going in to
> too much detail, the game I'm designing with Locutus will have include
> actual physical items which will be mailed out to players.  These will be a
> tactile reference map of the game's city, and the special head band used for
> head tracking as you play the game.
>
> During one particular chat with Nocturnus, he mentioned that since the
> materials are blind-accessible, I should be able to send them postage free
> through the US mail if I write "Free matter for the blind" on the package!
> Saying I was excited is an understatement, since this would be the single
> greatest news I've had so far on this project, rofl!  I did some checking
> online, but the definitions for what can and cannot be sent read like
> terrible VCR instructions, and I wasn't confident I understood them.  I took
> the time to drive up to my local post office to as the people working there,
> but after asking each other, all had heard "something" about it, but none
> knew how it worked.  They gave me a phone number for some higher up office,
> but the phone just rings and rings forever when I try to call it.  I would
> have expected someone at the actual post office to know how this all worked.
>
> Well, for the moment, I'm stuck.  I'm quickly approaching the point where I
> will be building large quantities of these maps and head bands so they are
> ready for when the game is released.  If shipping is free, these items will
> be very inexpensive since I will only need to charge people for the cost of
> the materials I'm using.  If, however, I can't ship for free, the shipping
> on the packages will be probably 2 or 3 times as much as the cheap items
> themselves!  I would absolutely hate that, plus it might mean less people
> would be interested.  If anyone has had experience using "Free matter for
> the blind" on items being mailed, please help.  From what I understand,
> registered blind individuals can send mail out for free, but I need to know
> if I (a sighted person) can mail these accessible items to all of you
> without there being a postage fee.
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Re: [Audyssey] Does anyone know about free postage?

[shaun everiss]

the same happens in newzealand.
At 12:45 p.m. 24/06/2011, you wrote:

Hi jeremy.

I'm not sure how it is in the us, but in the uk the rnib provides 
free postage articals for the blind lables to post to and from 
visually impared people.


however, the materials they can be used on can only be braille, 
audio tape or the like, and cannot be used on other things, for 
instance my parents got told off when sending me some of my 
prescription eye medication when i went to university without it 
using one of said lables.


I'm also not sure if they work internationally.

I'm afraid unless there is a way to get these relatively cheaply, 
 ie max of 15 dollars or so outside the us, I'm not sure how 
useable they will be for international players of the game, and 
frankly I hate the idea of the game being us specific for just this reason.


all the best,

Dark.

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[shaun everiss]

Hmmm we are getting nifty.
That sounds like borg equipment to me.
On that note, if the borg had issues isimilating because component 
delivery was held up somewhere would really be a bit of a problem.

At 12:07 p.m. 24/06/2011, you wrote:
Hey guys, at first this might not seem like it is game related, but 
it actually is.  I am currently stuck on something, postage related, 
which is holding up the development of a game I've been 
making.  Without going in to too much detail, the game I'm designing 
with Locutus will have include actual physical items which will be 
mailed out to players.  These will be a tactile reference map of the 
game's city, and the special head band used for head tracking as you 
play the game.


During one particular chat with Nocturnus, he mentioned that since 
the materials are blind-accessible, I should be able to send them 
postage free through the US mail if I write "Free matter for the 
blind" on the package!  Saying I was excited is an understatement, 
since this would be the single greatest news I've had so far on this 
project, rofl!  I did some checking online, but the definitions for 
what can and cannot be sent read like terrible VCR instructions, and 
I wasn't confident I understood them.  I took the time to drive up 
to my local post office to as the people working there, but after 
asking each other, all had heard "something" about it, but none knew 
how it worked.  They gave me a phone number for some higher up 
office, but the phone just rings and rings forever when I try to 
call it.  I would have expected someone at the actual post office to 
know how this all worked.


Well, for the moment, I'm stuck.  I'm quickly approaching the point 
where I will be building large quantities of these maps and head 
bands so they are ready for when the game is released.  If shipping 
is free, these items will be very inexpensive since I will only need 
to charge people for the cost of the materials I'm using.  If, 
however, I can't ship for free, the shipping on the packages will be 
probably 2 or 3 times as much as the cheap items themselves!  I 
would absolutely hate that, plus it might mean less people would be 
interested.  If anyone has had experience using "Free matter for the 
blind" on items being mailed, please help.  From what I understand, 
registered blind individuals can send mail out for free, but I need 
to know if I (a sighted person) can mail these accessible items to 
all of you without there being a postage fee.


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[dark]

As I said, I don't mind paying so long as the price is reasonably low, 
however I wouldn't want a situation where people in the us had something for 
free while everyone else had to pay a huge great postage charge.


Beware the grue!

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[Orin]

Alternate Reality Gaming A? That's what this sounds like, and that's awesome.
Have no idea on the postage details, however.
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On Jun 23, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote:

> Since braille is one of the items that can be shipped, I wonder if these 
> items would be allowed since the map contains some braille.  Lol, it would 
> certainly be a stretch, but I'm hoping this works out.  I completely agree 
> that the price needs to be as low as possible, so if there is a way to have 
> the shipping free in the US, there should be no trouble there.  I'm less 
> hopeful for free international shipping, though I would be glad if someone 
> had a solution for that too.  If this information helps anyone find a 
> solution, the items would be shipped in a standard 8.5 by 11 bubble wrap 
> envelope.
> 
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[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Since braille is one of the items that can be shipped, I wonder if these items 
would be allowed since the map contains some braille.  Lol, it would certainly 
be a stretch, but I'm hoping this works out.  I completely agree that the price 
needs to be as low as possible, so if there is a way to have the shipping free 
in the US, there should be no trouble there.  I'm less hopeful for free 
international shipping, though I would be glad if someone had a solution for 
that too.  If this information helps anyone find a solution, the items would be 
shipped in a standard 8.5 by 11 bubble wrap envelope.


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Hi jeremy.

I'm not sure how it is in the us, but in the uk the rnib provides free 
postage articals for the blind lables to post to and from visually impared 
people.


however, the materials they can be used on can only be braille, audio tape 
or the like, and cannot be used on other things, for instance my parents got 
told off when sending me some of my prescription eye medication when i went 
to university without it using one of said lables.


I'm also not sure if they work internationally.

I'm afraid unless there is a way to get these relatively cheaply,  ie 
max of 15 dollars or so outside the us, I'm not sure how useable they will 
be for international players of the game, and frankly I hate the idea of the 
game being us specific for just this reason.


all the best,

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[Jeremy Kaldobsky]

Hey guys, at first this might not seem like it is game related, but it actually 
is.  I am currently stuck on something, postage related, which is holding up 
the development of a game I've been making.  Without going in to too much 
detail, the game I'm designing with Locutus will have include actual physical 
items which will be mailed out to players.  These will be a tactile reference 
map of the game's city, and the special head band used for head tracking as you 
play the game.

During one particular chat with Nocturnus, he mentioned that since the 
materials are blind-accessible, I should be able to send them postage free 
through the US mail if I write "Free matter for the blind" on the package!  
Saying I was excited is an understatement, since this would be the single 
greatest news I've had so far on this project, rofl!  I did some checking 
online, but the definitions for what can and cannot be sent read like terrible 
VCR instructions, and I wasn't confident I understood them.  I took the time to 
drive up to my local post office to as the people working there, but after 
asking each other, all had heard "something" about it, but none knew how it 
worked.  They gave me a phone number for some higher up office, but the phone 
just rings and rings forever when I try to call it.  I would have expected 
someone at the actual post office to know how this all worked.

Well, for the moment, I'm stuck.  I'm quickly approaching the point where I 
will be building large quantities of these maps and head bands so they are 
ready for when the game is released.  If shipping is free, these items will be 
very inexpensive since I will only need to charge people for the cost of the 
materials I'm using.  If, however, I can't ship for free, the shipping on the 
packages will be probably 2 or 3 times as much as the cheap items themselves!  
I would absolutely hate that, plus it might mean less people would be 
interested.  If anyone has had experience using "Free matter for the blind" on 
items being mailed, please help.  From what I understand, registered blind 
individuals can send mail out for free, but I need to know if I (a sighted 
person) can mail these accessible items to all of you without there being a 
postage fee.

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