No, that is not correct. The point of having most committers
on the PMC is not to keep discussions out of google. The
point of getting them on the PMC is so that the ASF can
legally protect them, and so that they are legally empowered
to participate in the decisions that govern the
BIG SNIP
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
... sensitive things should be on the PMC
list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list.
/end Geir
What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community?
This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are
Members of the Jakarta Community :
With the privilege of committership in the ASF comes the requirement
that each committer sign a document called the Committer License
Agreement, or CLA.
The CLA is a legal agreement between you, the committer, and the ASF in
which you state that the
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:27 AM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
BIG SNIP
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
... sensitive things should be on the PMC
list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list.
/end Geir
What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community?
This is new direction.
On Dec 22, 2003, at 8:05 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:38:54 -0500
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
What could be something that is sensteive in an open source
community?
This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are
ashamed of it, don't do open source
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:04:26 -0500
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious
On Dec 21, 2003, at 5:03 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
You go discus
YES! -- And members, and board, and incubator, and
Move it into the open.
-Andy
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The views expressed in
Well, saying please and asking nicely had no effect.
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The views expressed in this email are those of the
I think the problem isn't the private list, on which we will continue
to do work, such as voting, but follow up.
geir
Heads up,
FYI, except where I feel the situation absolutely mandates it, I will be
voting/discussing here.
While I'm not sure I agree, out of courtesy, I will vote
Vic, if you've been paying ANY attention, you'd know that what we are
trying to do is just the opposite - get *every* committer in Jakarta
onto the PMC, *eliminating* this needless boundary.
While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet committers.
--
Andrew C. Oliver
Andy wrote:
FYI, except where I feel the situation absolutely mandates it, I will be
voting/discussing here.
snip
I choose to
work in the open. I choose to be googled. I volunteered for it in fact.
Well said, I agree with this.
But why be so confrontational about it? After all in the
I realize that arguing with you on this will have no effect, but I want
to keep working to extinguish the meme you keep trying to plant.
IIRC, the thread in play at the time was my note to ask the opinion of
all PMC members re the CLA signing, to make sure that it was a clear
message we all
While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet committers.
I certainly think that increasing the size of the PMC makes it easier for
things to get discussed on the PMC list, but if people care (and you do for
one) about visibility the very nature of things mean that it won't
You are free to do what you want. Is this then about personal google
hitcount?
On Dec 21, 2003, at 11:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I think the problem isn't the private list, on which we will continue
to do work, such as voting, but follow up.
geir
Heads up,
FYI, except where I feel the
On Dec 22, 2003, at 10:31 AM, Danny Angus wrote:
While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet
committers.
I certainly think that increasing the size of the PMC makes it easier
for
things to get discussed on the PMC list, but if people care (and you
do for
one) about
I invite each candidate to create a new subject thread with their position statement.
I realize that this has been stated across many threads, and it would be nice to see
in a single thread, devoted to each candidates: with maybe a subject such as:
[Position: PMC Chair Candidate name].
A new
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:12:02 -0500
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects
do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that
this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open
discussion can
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects
do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that
this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open
discussion can happen in a
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:10:27 +
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I realize that arguing with you on this will have no effect, but I want
to keep working to extinguish the meme you keep trying to plant.
+1, Andrew seems to have boundless energy in this regard ;-) !
It seems that he/she/it is a
I don't think that crossposting would be good keep it here
On Dec 22, 2003, at 4:52 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Hello, folks.
I am a moderator of three -dev lists in jakarta.
What should I do next? Forwardin' this Pro-forma to
each -dev lists?
T.I.A.
-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
On
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects
do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that
this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability
protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf of
the organization. Further is it seems that the ASF does not believe
this
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability
protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf
of the organization. Further is
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability
protection from the ASF because the PMC
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:07 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:13 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:07 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw).
From what
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:04:26 -0500
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious
On Dec 21, 2003, at 5:03 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability
protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf
of the organization. Further is it seems that the ASF does
Before doing this, I'd like to see a final list of nominations on PMC.
Then I'd like to see if they are accepted, as not all of them were
self-nominations, before going to the General list.
Hen
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I invite each candidate to create a new subject
Lawrence E. Rosen asked:
Would someone please explain what protection committers expect from ASF?
And what legal empowerment is being granted?
I doubt that very many people can answer that question with any authority at
all. Certainly not me. The most that I can do for you is provide a
It seems that he/she/it is a *winter* person ;-)
(Maybe, reincarnation of yeti)
Andrew means Strong and Manly. Fairly gender specific.
http://www.andythenamebender.com/name-meanings/Andrew.htm
I like this:
Origin: Shakespearean
Meaning: 'Twelfth Night', also called 'What You Will' Sir
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