Remy wrote:
> I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at
> JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an
> individual at the moment, and (as far as I can remember, as it was a
> while ago ...) have submitted a company CLA reflecting that
> (http://www.ap
My involvement was with what has now become tucked away in a zip file
called alexandria-legacy. At this time Alexandria was an ant build
script with some ant extensions. Most of these are now part of ant.
Alexandra's main goal was to allow people to access javadoc and xrefed
source code. The build
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote:
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To:
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Henri Yandell wrote:
It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Wa
Costin Manolache wrote:
>
> If tomcat would be a top level project instead of jakarta-tomcat, most
> likely Remy would be the PMC chair. Acording to ASF rules, the PMC chair
> is the ultimate decision maker for a project.
> It seems the notion of 'project leads' is not accepted by some - yet
> t
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote:
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from
people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the
accuracy of what anyone is saying? I would also wager that
if
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote:
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from
people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the
accuracy of what anyone is saying? I woul
Remy Maucherat wrote:
>
> Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote:
> >
> >> And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from
> >> people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
> >
> > I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact
Remy,
FWIW, see my efforts to protect "Apache WSS4J":
http://www.google.com/search?q=apache.org+wss4j+bilal+site:xml.com&hl=en&lr=&filter=0
-- dims
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:58:08 +0100, Remy Maucherat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker w
Jim Jagielski wrote:
That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :)
But I would agree that other companies have occasionally
crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both
companies "associated" with ASF projects and external
companies that have no ties or links at all. In those
cases
Remy,
+1 to "more code, less politics" :) No one is gonna kick you out. All
of us are in this mess together :) :)
-- dims
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:24:34 +0100, Remy Maucherat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :)
> >
> > But I w
On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :)
But I would agree that other companies have occasionally
crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both
companies "associated" with ASF projects and external
companie
> At this point, how about simply kicking me out and ending the problems
> faster ? Just one quick vote on board@ and any future issues disappear
> magically.
Oh grow up.
No one has criticised you, no one has complained that you are paid by
JBOSS,
no one has criticised your contributions, no one
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote:
Great, so you manage to sneak by an assertion that a line have been
crossed here. Cool debate ;)
My intent was not to make an accusation but rather a simple statement
that any issue we are talking about is not unique or part
Hi,
Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :)
Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I
really have not found a firm standpoint, because there where
so many Chairmans and Directors with opposite statements.
So the question is what is the actual name of the
Danny Angus wrote:
... the issue is *only* that
"The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss"
implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor.
Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any company
that have committers working full ti
Costin Manolache wrote:
>
> Danny Angus wrote:
>
> > ... the issue is *only* that
> > "The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss"
> > implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor.
>
>
> Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So i
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Mladen Turk wrote:
Hi,
Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :)
Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I
really have not found a firm standpoint, because there where
so many Chairmans and Directors with opposite statements.
So the q
On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Mladen Turk wrote:
Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers),
propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP?
Personally, I think the Tomcat community is large enough and
healthy enough to warrant change to a TLP.
I know that some of you will think (since i
Henri Yandell wrote:
Were you striking a Dr Evil pose while you wrote this? :)
No, I was striking a Rhett Buttler's pose:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" :)
My (strong) advice is that the Tomcat subcommunity have a quick decision
on what they would like to do about the SD magazine issue. I
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Mladen Turk wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
Were you striking a Dr Evil pose while you wrote this? :)
No, I was striking a Rhett Buttler's pose:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" :)
My (strong) advice is that the Tomcat subcommunity have a quick decision on
what they would
Costin Manolache wrote:
> I'm +1 on your email if you are going to send the same kind of email for
>> every use of "Tomcat" and if we are going to send an email every time a
> company or individual claims he is making 'lead contributions' to an
> apache project. And I would feel much better if suc
Serge Knystautas wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> Remy Maucherat wrote:
>>>it is obvious Apache has the notion of company contributions.
>> Companies authorize individuals where their employment agreement might be
in
>> conflict with a CLA, and companies can provide a Software Grant in the
case
Remy Maucherat wrote:
> What if I, on the opposite, contend that if it had been any other
> company with any other ASF project, nobody would have bothered ?
> Can you prove me wrong ?
Multiple companies have, in fact, been contacted and dealt with over what
was perceived to be misleading PR and
Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Mladen Turk wrote:
> > Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers),
> > propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP?
I'd say that it is about time.
> I know that some of you will think (since it's coming from me)
> 'Damn, JBoss is trying to control the Tomcat',
Mladen Turk wrote:
> Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :)
Talk with the PRC.
> Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I
> really have not found a firm standpoint
Hence the PRC.
> So the question is what is the actual name of the thing that
> we
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I am not aware of any complaints regarding your technical contributions.
Cool, means so much to me.
I also have no complaints on your technical skills :)
Only over your employer's attempts at self-portraiture. If anything, I am
more likely to feel sorry for you and Remy gett
Mladen Turk wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I am not aware of any complaints regarding your technical contributions.
> Cool, means so much to me.
> I also have no complaints on your technical skills :)
My observation, not opinion, was in response to your expressing concern that
there would b
Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP.
As I said in tomcat-dev, it was proposed when ant became TLP and at
this time the consensus was to stay under jakarta umbrella.
What motivate the move to TLP now.
Regards
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:16:51 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PR
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I'm mystified as to how you could derive the latter from my comment.
Please, lets calm the things down.
Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth
will still spin tomorrow.
Regards,
Mladen.
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To
> Please, lets calm the things down.
> Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth
> will still spin tomorrow.
...that's an excellent ending for this discussion :)
Thanks
--
Torsten
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Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP.
As I said in tomcat-dev, it was proposed when ant became TLP and at
this time the consensus was to stay under jakarta umbrella.
What motivate the move to TLP now.
Currently, Tomcat developers are ha
Pros:
- Tomcat pmc will be responsible for all its actions and decisions
- Report directly to board every quarter
- No meddling from outsiders (jakarta-general folks and others (read
jakarta pmc) from the peanut gallery :)
- Top Level domain - http://tomcat.apache.org/
- One of pmc members can beco
Dims,
The new TLP would be expected to address the same issues, and to work with
the PRC and other parts of the ASF, but they'd be more immediately
associated with them, too.
--- Noel
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Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?
> From: "Henri Gomez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP.
>
> > Currently, Tomcat developers are having to take time away from
> > their main task (coding) to answer management issues raised by
> > Jakarta. This raises the question of whether Tomcat is big
> > enough and mature enough to manage these issues itself, without
> > the involvement of Jakarta.
>
Yes, Noel. i have the same feeling that Stephen has:
"it seems likely (based on emails to the thread from Tomcat
committers) that this PR release would have been a non-issue. "
So the tomcat committers would be doing it on their own terms. with no
one pushing them. Quote from Mladen's email:
"so
Copying to both Jakarta and the board as an FYI.
Waited until tonight to make sure the Tomcat subcommunity were happy with
the email being sent, which they were.
Hen
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:08:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Kat
> Please, lets calm the things down.
> Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth
> will still spin tomorrow.
Well, actually, if it would pause briefly on Wednesday, that'd be OK. I
have to fly east, and would rather not chase the horizon for 3000 miles.
--- Noel
-
On Mar 21, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Please, lets calm the things down.
Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth
will still spin tomorrow.
Well, actually, if it would pause briefly on Wednesday, that'd be OK.
I
have to fly east, and would rather not chase the horizon
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