Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-15 Thread Roy Marples
After being bribed with beer from edit_21, welp and a few others I accept my nomination too. Thanks Roy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-13 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 15:26 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > If you want businesses to use Gentoo, you need to start offering things > that make Gentoo a better solution than other distributions. That, > first and foremost, means technical improvements, an area upon which > Gentoo is most definitely

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: media-gfx/bootsplash

2007-07-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:38:14 +0300 "Alon Bar-Lev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We need to provide simper and workable solution. The whole thing is moot anyway as baselayout-2 now uses C plugins for hooks like splash. So unless you or someone else steps up to the plate and write a baselayout-2 plug

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc-2.6 / gcc-4.2 going into ~arch

2007-07-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 00:08 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > get your "waaait dont do it" votes in now, i plan on pushing: > glibc-2.6 ~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~x86 > gcc-4.2.0 ~amd64 ~x86 > in the next day or so Been using it for a few weeks on ~x86-fbsd without issue now. Any chance you could add a

Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?

2007-05-16 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:25:22 -0700 Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:10:22AM -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > > > We also have *tons* of other commercial software in the tree. > > Exactly, I don't understand the problem here. > > /me votes to remove vmware > > Y

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suitable USE flag name for stuff that requires non volatile memory

2007-05-13 Thread Roy Marples
On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:44:28 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 12 May 2007, Roy Marples wrote: > > I've thought long and hard about it and I think a compile time > > option is best here. You can still disable the usage of DUID by > > nul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Suitable USE flag name for stuff that requires non volatile memory

2007-05-12 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:36:28 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are any other LiveCDs using it yet or otherwise providing IPv6 DHCP > functionality? What do they do? Surely it's not just a Gentoo > problem. There's only one dhcp IPv6 client, and thats dhcpv6 which hasn't been updat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Suitable USE flag name for stuff that requires non volatile memory

2007-05-12 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 12 May 2007 11:34:10 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted > [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 12 May > 2007 06:47:38 -0400: > > > On Friday 11 May 2007, Roy Marples wrote: > >> livec

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suitable USE flag name for stuff that requires non volatile memory

2007-05-12 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 12 May 2007 09:00:34 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 12 May 2007, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > > Does it matter that the DUID-LLT isn't stored when starting from a > > Live-CD? I don't see why there is the need for a use flag for this > > functionality, when it doe

[gentoo-dev] Suitable USE flag name for stuff that requires non volatile memory

2007-05-11 Thread Roy Marples
Hi List! dhcpcd-3.1 is making good progress and is almost ready to be put into the tree. One of it's new features is that it generates a DUID-LLT. This has to be stored in non volatile storage, so it persists across reboots. I would like a nice USE flag name, so it can be compiled with or without

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 4 May 2007 14:37:21 -0500 "Karl Haines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lol, its funny that we must concern ourselves with the needs of > ""el1te gam3rs"", but I suppose its necessary. We concern ourselves with the needs of everyone, from our elite users, to our crapola devs. There are, or s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 03 May 2007 12:15:45 +0200 "José Luis Rivero (yoswink)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ehm, IMHO call it discriminate is a big hard. Are the gnome-2.18 or > beryl users discriminated or they should be using something different > to Gentoo? They only thing people have to do is use some ~arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 2 May 2007 22:00:05 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What, people deliberately breaking policy that directly leads to > breaking stable and not having any working ebuilds for a package in > the tree, and then refusing to do anything about it is nothing? > > > the issue ha

[gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Roy Marples
Hi List bsaelayout-2.0.0_alpha2 will ship without any volume support for things like LVM, RAID, etc. We only ship the hooks right now, but we won't ship those any more as we can't seem it get it right. If you care about such things, then you need to pester the maintainer of said package to write

[gentoo-dev] start-stop-daemon changes in baselayout-2

2007-04-13 Thread Roy Marples
Hi fellow devs start-stop-daemon binary in baselayout-2 will require the use of the --name or --pidfile argument in --start if the binary in question changes it's process name. This also applies to any interpreted daemon, such as ddclient or amavisd which are perl programs. This is because accord

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:11:33 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think a lot of the problems with those other distributions and > > their 3rd party repositories is related to the fact that they are > > binary-based distributions and we are not. > > ever put that to the test and b

Re: [gentoo-dev] resolvconf

2007-04-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:57:18 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roy Marples wrote: > > A new version of resolvconf-gentoo is about to be released which > > also works with dash and busybox. Also, the next resolvconf script > > for dnsmasq will (also due

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

2007-04-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:03:45 -0400 Michael Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, fellow devs, what's new with development? For those interested, > genlop has migrated into gentoo as a project with the permission of > upstream, which no longer maintain it. Um...any new tools or projects > people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: SCM choices

2007-04-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:30:29 +0200 "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Therefore I'd like to > know what architectures need to be supported by a candidate SCM. Oh that's an easy one. All arches that Gentoo supports. Also it needs to support FreeBSD :) Thanks Roy -- gentoo-d

Re: [gentoo-dev] /{"",usr/}bin path changed. What is the right solution for scripts?

2007-04-01 Thread Roy Marples
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:02:27 +0400 Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The question is: does there > exist best practice on how to avoid this problem in future? Should we > set some default PATH in scripts or should we call "command -p > program"? A lot of Gentoo scriptlets such as gcc-confi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-30 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:23:32 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You seem to be under the misapprehension that Portage == Gentoo. > > No no, I'm saying that at present Portage is one of Gentoo's most > severe limiting factors. Then kindly stop interchanging Portage with Gentoo wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-30 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:50:59 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A few years ago Gentoo had some serious advantages over the > competition. These days, Gentoo is at serious risk of being Red > Queened by Ubuntu and Fedora. Providing the same thing that was > provided two years ago is

Re: [gentoo-dev] New ALSA maintainers

2007-03-28 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:54:04 -0400 Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm fully 100% serious on the above. I challenge you to PROVE ME > WRONG. I secretly hope you do, since that means I'll get a couple of > interesting bugs to handle and I may even be able to solve them > myself. There wa

Re: [gentoo-dev] New ALSA maintainers

2007-03-28 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:54:21 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Drake wrote: > > > > I have suggested that herd support for the kernelspace side > > (alsa-driver) be slowly reduced, by redirecting users who file bugs > > against it to reproduce with the in-kernel drivers, an

Re: [gentoo-dev] /lib/rcscripts or /$(get_libdir)/rcscripts?

2007-03-26 Thread Roy Marples
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:49:52 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 26 March 2007, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > > I just realized that there not only doesn't seem to be any consensus > > about what the location of /lib/rcscripts should be (as witnessed by > > the location where th

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for app-shells/ash

2007-03-24 Thread Roy Marples
app-shells/ash is based on a very old netbsd sh and also uses an equally old Debian patch. ash currently has no maintainer. This package has since become dash upstream, which we do have in portage and is maintained by me. The irony is that ash requires /bin/sh as bash to compile as part of the Deb

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Roy Marples
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:17:54 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What, and make everyone move the development discussion elsewhere? > Have you noticed how little development discussion goes on on the > forums? Have you ever considered why? It's full of trolls. Have you considered why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-02 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:43:10 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:30:46 -0800 Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:44:16 -0800 Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> PMS: Deadlines and interest

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing Daniel Robbins (drobbins)

2007-02-27 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:06:17 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In his dark past Daniel has worked for companies like Microsoft so > maybe Gentoo/NT will be a reality after all? Lets hope he hasn't seen any MS source code as we really *really* don't want any MS IP in Gentoo/Linux/Free

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dev Laptop Broken @ FOSDEM

2007-02-27 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:25:13 +0100 Jochen Maes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob C wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Some evil person broke my laptop screen at FOSDEM. > patrick you did it again? Thanks to you I now have visions of Dr Evil wearing the Britney Spears outfit for a song by a similar name.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Slacker archs

2007-02-20 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:22:46 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:09:27 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Regardless, data was presented as "see, mips isn't behind"; > which... | isn't the case as your own data shows. > > As my own data show

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: upstart on gentoo

2007-02-17 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:40:03 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, and a bit of history - at one point, I used djb's supervise as > part of the initscripts so that we could do stuff similarly to > upstart. When the initscripts were rewritten, we went to bash and had > the intenti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Google Summer of Code 2007

2007-02-16 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:27:03 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Nothing that's a brand new project. Building upon existing code is > fine (heck, even things like eselect modules), but from-scratch "build > a framework and use it" type projects should be out. baselayout-gui was su

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-16 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:44:15 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For speed, there are a *lot* of changes/improvements that could be > made. Yes, re-writing the backend in C whilst keeping /etc/init.d/ and /etc/conf.d/ as shell scripts is a good start :) > What I would like to see

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-16 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:20:54 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If that's what you want, don't use bash in the first place. I would > agree that using bash for parsing is a pain in the but Daniel is > right in that you're not going to be able to maintain posix > compatibility. If you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Timezone /etc/conf.d/clock

2007-02-15 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:16:18 +1030 Raymond Lewis Rebbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:11, Caleb Cushing wrote: > > I see a timezone variable was added. good idea! how is it > > implemented exactly? seeing as I have a symlink in /etc/localtime > > what will this cha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Network configuration and bash

2007-02-14 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:12:20 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > > On Tuesday 06 February 2007, Michael Hanselmann wrote: > >> XML! Actually, no. For me, libconfig[1] turned out to be very easy > >> to work with. Its config file format is easy to write

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-10 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:03:32 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) maintain the existing baselayout and don't change things at all. Right, that's baselayout-1 > > 2) start a new package called fastlayout and do whatever you wanna do > with it. Be as innovative as you want to be w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Network configuration and bash

2007-02-09 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:16:25 + David Leverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would something like the following be acceptable? If the user uses > bash they can use an array, otherwise (or if they prefer) they can do > the "'...' '...'" thing, transparently to the code that uses the > variable. C

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-09 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:05:52 +0100 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One issue is that any valid character is allowed in WPAPSK, > > including ; > > Good point, but excluding newline, right? I can't try it, but rt2500's > own settings file format does not allow for newline in WPAPSK. N

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-09 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:51:29 +0100 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That works with your ; approach too, as well as with the > newline-separated approach: > > replace=" > 4d 1280 768 24 > 5c 1400 1050 16 > " > > IFS='; > ' > #set -f > set -- ${replace} > #set +f > unset IFS > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-09 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 02:07:50 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 07 February 2007, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > Another idea; have baselayout install different versions of > > init.d/conf.d and default shell for runscript depending on USE flags > > that'll just lead to horr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-09 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:27:58 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > FreeBSD sh + Gentoo baselayout = cold boot in around 4 seconds > > Going to multi-user from single user after a boot is under 2 seco

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-09 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:27:06 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 08 February 2007, Ned Ludd wrote: > > Please read over what's been talked about elsewhere in this thread. > > He is not trying to break existing functionality at all. Only > > extend it to be posix aware (add

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-09 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:03:04 -0800 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jakub Moc wrote: > > Mike Frysinger napsal(a): > >> On Thursday 08 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote: > >>> The actual scripts themselves can be re-worked if they need to be >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:49:57 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other words: > > busybox + single rcS file = fastest and simplest, smallest, best for > very small filesystems, not as flexible > > bash + gentoo baselayout = most flexible, biggest, slower, best for > feature-rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:01:08 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > some init.d scripts use arrays as well > > > > Do we know which ones? > > grep for it :p > netmount for sure right now Well, netmount is baselayout, so that will kinda be done by default :) > i guess my point was i

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:06:07 -0800 Josh Saddler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Next question, then, since I am extremely, exquisitely glad to know > that the existing, familiar, comfortable, (etc.) way of doing it will > be allowed, how long will that last. That is, will we all be forced to > migr

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:26:40 +0100 Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > lol, > anyway stop this thread, Roy stated that the installed cfg files will > be managed via use flags that would satisfy everyone. I say maybe a USE flag or something else. May not need one, we'll see. Existing co

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:38:04 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:32:20 +0100 Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > Which is all very well, but not sufficient reason to screw up a > | > project that is developed and used by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:42:14 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 07 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote: > > In the current code I'm running it's only the network stuff that > > uses arrays. If you're thinking about /sbin/functions.sh, we

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:47:33 -0500 Patrick McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So this means that you are planning to stop development of the > current baselayout in favor of baselayout-ng? No. baselayout will get all the nice features that baselayout-ng will get, except that it will force bash t

[gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-07 Thread Roy Marples
OK, so everyone wants to keep their conf.d/net in bash. Fine by me. Welcome to baselayout-ng which will be a virtual and will not require bash. Now that's out of the way, let's discuss configuration :) We still need something that is "array like" for want of a better phrase, so how about delimit

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT: arping being called from init.d/net.*

2007-02-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:47:03 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > maillog: 07/02/2007-08:50:03(+0100): Jakub Moc types > > > > To be honest, I hate the idea of rewriting the network config; being > > able to specify things like > > > > config_eth0=( "10.1.1.{1..10}/24 brd +" ) > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:03:56 -0800 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:09:11PM +, Roy Marples wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:14:49 + > > Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why? What's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:27:46 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 06 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote: > > No, I'm just interesting in killing bash array requirements in the > > network config file. > > you need to kill them everywhere

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:39:03 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 06 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote: > > Hopefully I've justified this enough :) > > justified what ? this thread started off killing bash array > requirements in the network

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:28:04 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's more that you're expected to justify *why* the bash > requirement is so bad, given the cost of changing. 1) Lack of choice. Gentoo is all about giving the user choice. baselayout even supports other init s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:14:49 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why? What's wrong with requiring a shell that supports various > features beyond what POSIX specifies? Granted, choice of shell is > good, but not if it's at the expense of functionality or ease of use. H, just how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:03:50 -0500 Olivier Crete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What so wrong with bash? Unsuited to an init system that wants to work everywhere, like embedded systems. Also, being tied to one shell causes problems when that shell breaks. Witness baselayout problems regarding bash-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:58:52 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Right, and bash arrays are not shell > | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/toc.htm > > Sure they're shell. They're just not POSIX. Maybe I should have been more clear. Anything in /etc/conf.d/ should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:18:43 -0500 Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forgive me if this is just noise, but I just wanted to say I agree > fully with ferdy. As I was reading Roy's email, and I looked at the > net config sample he had in there, I thought "well, what's actually > wrong wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:27:40 +0100 "Fernando J. Pereda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:17:16PM +, Roy Marples wrote: > > Hi List > > Hi Roy, > > > [snip] > > > > So, to free baselayout of forcing bash down our throa

[gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Roy Marples
Hi List As some of you may be aware, I've started work on baselayout-2 which is basically re-tooling it in C. One of the side goals is to eliminate the need for using bash. You'll be pleased to know that it's working well enough to boot Gentoo/FreeBSD. Now, this email isn't about the merits of ba

Re: [gentoo-dev] Topic for Feb council meeting

2007-01-29 Thread Roy Marples
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:39:05 +0100 "Rob C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For what its worth, I think option #2 is the best. > > I think option #1 is out of the question and I think that #3 is flawed > because the 8th spot developer's situation or commitment to the > project may have changed since

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing licenses/BSD

2007-01-14 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:44:24 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone oppose the attached patch for making the BSD license more > readable? I just came across this way for writing it in one package > and think it would be easier to understand this way. Looks good to me. Makes it loo

Re: [gentoo-dev] /var/lib/init.d/* vs. pidfiles

2006-12-23 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:08:15 +0100 Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > baselayout-1.13 is currently package.masked as there are still a few > > upgrade/downgrade issues to resolve with the 1.12 branch. However, > > it is unmasked on BSD profiles where it's enjoying great success. > > Hope

Re: [gentoo-dev] /var/lib/init.d/* vs. pidfiles

2006-12-23 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:50:06 +0100 Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2) A simple status call to the init script checks running daemons > > and returns either 0 or 1 appropriately allowing a sys admin to > > report on crashed services and possible take an automated action. > > Yes, of

Re: [gentoo-dev] /var/lib/init.d/* vs. pidfiles

2006-12-23 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:50:06 +0100 Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > > > I'm going to stop you right there. > > Before claiming design problems in the init system, you could at > > least

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LAST RITES - rt2x00 beta 3

2006-12-23 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 00:01:23 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted > [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 22 Dec 2006 > 17:08:45 -0600: > > > Roy Marples wrote: > >> Hi list. > >> >

[gentoo-dev] LAST RITES - rt2x00 beta 3

2006-12-22 Thread Roy Marples
Hi list. Not often I issue a last rites, but here we go! rt2x00-beta3 driver is going to be masked over the next few days and then removed from portage around the end of January. This is at the request of upstream as they're mainly bored of fixing compile and useability errors in beta3 with new k

Re: [gentoo-dev] The long story behind our new developer: Peter Weller (welp)

2006-12-19 Thread Roy Marples
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:59:09 +0100 Markus Ullmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now you know the story behind our new amd64/bugday/xfce dev from UK. I > think he deserves the usual happy welcome :) Mines a pint :) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] /var/lib/init.d/* vs. pidfiles

2006-12-18 Thread Roy Marples
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:39:06 +0100 Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > the bug 139243 shows an possible problem in the init.d system > it stores the service status in /var/lib/init.d/started and I'm going to stop you right there. Before claiming design problems in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] IMPORTANT: bugs/packages/planet/etc downtime

2006-11-30 Thread Roy Marples
On Thursday 30 November 2006 15:56, Lance Albertson wrote: >Unless something comes up, plan for about an hour > downtime for that today. If something comes up, we would be closing bugs ;) -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-de

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Monday 06 November 2006 16:53, Roy Marples wrote: > However, one issue is a concern. All baselayouts defined svcdir > in /etc/conf.d/rc which defines where we hold the state information of the > running services. This defaulted to /var/lib/init.d - which is bad as /var > could be on

Re: [gentoo-dev] $svcdir options (was baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon)

2006-11-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 11:56, Roy Marples wrote: > So - how do people feel about always keeping it mounted as a ramdisk > (default tmpfs, then ramfs then ramdisk) in /lib/rcscripts/init.d? That > means we're not writing to /lib directly and not using /var which makes me >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-08 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 08 November 2006 17:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > SPF makes the classic incorrect > assumption that spammers won't abuse the system. Ciaran makes the classic incorrect assumption that people can magically read his mind to know how he thinks spammers can abuse the syste

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
work with bash-3.1 for some reason though, as I prefer == over =~ myself. Thanks -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 21:14, Francesco Riosa wrote: > mounts=( $( for m in 0 6 12 ; do > [[ "${mounts[${m}]}" == "/dev/root" ]] \ > && echo "Yay, I matched ^/dev/root " > done Good, but you fail due to only matching 3 lines mounts=( $( Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout, networking) --

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
$'wombat' Maybe you meant to write [[ $'\n'wombat =~ wombat ]] That will still return true [[ wombat =~ $'\n'wombat ]] Will return false, which is what we want as wombat isn't at the start of the line. In my example, I'm trying to match something at t

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 20:32, Drake Wyrm wrote: > I could be missing something, but: > > [[ $'\nwombat' =~ $'wombat' ]] && \ > echo "These compare as equal, with or without the leading \n" A working example in bash-3.2 :) [[ $(http://

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
> because I don't think you want to treat the RHS as either a regex (=~) > or a glob (unquoted). Needs to be regex so I can match $'\n' as iirc you loose that in globbing -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux/FreeBSD Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 12:29, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Roy Marples wrote: > > Actually, before I do that, let me attack this from another angle. > > What do you gain from keeping it mounted as a ramdisk? > > If the answer is performance, well you loose performance at sta

Re: [gentoo-dev] $svcdir options (was baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon)

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 11:56, Roy Marples wrote: > A net benefit of this is that we would could remove around 60 lines of code > which handle the moving of $svcdir to disk whilst the system is active > (handles locking, timeouts, nice messages, etc) Attached is the patch that does

[gentoo-dev] $svcdir options (was baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon)

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
n out of space, but I've yet to see my 1meg svcdir on BSD go over 13% usage. So does this make everyone happy? Thoughts? -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux/FreeBSD Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 10:50, Roy Marples wrote: > > I'm using that now and hope to keep it. I went with the suggested > > size=2m (tmpfs). df says 184KB used, so that's quite big enough and then > > some, but on Linux the free space isn't actually alloca

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-07 Thread Roy Marples
ust uses what it needs. And yes, the BSD's will use the full 2MB. Actually I forgot about the option allowing you todo this. It will be supported in the next version, although the variable name specified in /etc/conf.d/rc will change to match out existing RC_ names, the old one will still w

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
r then you're welcome to suggest alternative fixes for this too :) -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
tting down - in the meantime it should be minimal. -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
s I'm keen on rolling it back to disk after rc completes the boot runlevel. -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Monday 06 November 2006 22:06, Alec Warner wrote: > Roy Marples wrote: > > On Monday 06 November 2006 18:27, Matthew Snelham wrote: > >>> In 1.13, we've removed the variable from /etc/conf.d/rc and it's now > >>> forced to /lib/rcscripts/init.d which

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
, you then have to guarantee that /var is always available too and that may not always be the case as some people want to have /var net mounted or something equally silly :) /lib may be ugly, but it's also guaranteed which is what I'm more interested in. Thanks -- Roy Marples &l

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Monday 06 November 2006 17:51, Francesco Riosa wrote: > Roy Marples wrote: > [snip that change the meaning of the message ;] > > > Ideas are welcome :) > > need to jump net.lo in symlink tests fex as tested below: > > for f in ${ROOT}etc/init.d/net.*; do >[

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
On Monday 06 November 2006 17:33, Roy Marples wrote: > Admittedly, an always ro / isn't handled right now, but I'll ensure it will > be for the next release :) We handle it with the attached patch, just comitted to our svn repo :) Thanks -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
we tar up our state dir, unmount it and untar it back (taking good care with locking due to parallel starts and event driven services). Admittedly, an always ro / isn't handled right now, but I'll ensure it will be for the next release :) Thanks -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.13 going into ~ARCH soon

2006-11-06 Thread Roy Marples
. However, this does require altering the stable ebuild as well. Or we could just slap a very large warning on it. Ideas are welcome :) -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux/FreeBSD Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-31 Thread Roy Marples
script into baselayout that relies on this? With all the of the above considered, imagine the irony of me filing a stable bug for kbd-1.12-r8 and someone stabling it on sparc :P -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-31 Thread Roy Marples
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 16:02, Stuart Herbert wrote: > 3) ?? Profit -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo/FreeBSD available for Sparc64

2006-10-31 Thread Roy Marples
64-gentoo-freebsdx.x (x.x being the freebsd version). Thanks [1] http://gentoo.osuosl.org/experimental/sparc/freebsd/ [2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-freebsd.xml [3] __sparc64__ define is not a guarantee of 64-bit code according to gcc developers -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds

2006-10-30 Thread Roy Marples
On Monday 30 October 2006 10:26, Elfyn McBratney wrote: > A single person doesn't constitute a team [1]. More than one person > does... > > [1] Unless you're SpanKY. You forget that vapier also works with SpanKY ;) -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo

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