On 10/11/06, Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We also use space-delimited depend atoms everywhere else. It makes no
sense to break that when a comma works equally well.
I'm sorry, are you telling everyone that it's too difficult for you to
write an ungreedy regex that also tests for
On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not an issue for me. It's an issue for random people writing scripts,
for people using command line things and for people who don't want to
use a full parser framework for some quick hack. There's no need to
make things harder for random
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:52:42 +0100
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, are you telling everyone that it's too difficult for you to
write an ungreedy regex that also tests for the possibility of a list
bounded by [ and ] being part of an atom?
No. I'm saying that it's more
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 22:17 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:31 +0100 Stuart Herbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Spaces in dep atoms would be highly evil, since it'd mean they were
| no longer simply space
Brian Harring wrote:
cat/pkg[use1_on,-use2_off,-use3_on]
You mean use3_on, without the minus sign, right?
Cheers,
-jkt
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:00:05 +0100 Stuart Herbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Not an issue for me. It's an issue for random people writing
| scripts, for people using command line things and for people who
| don't want to use a full parser
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:24:36 +0200 Natanael Copa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more script-friendly
| than emerge?
Once we get the Ruby interface fleshed out it will be...
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Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:52:42 +0100 Stuart Herbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On 10/11/06, Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| We also use space-delimited depend atoms everywhere else. It makes
| no sense to break that when a comma works equally well.
|
| I'm sorry, are you telling
Natanael Copa wrote:
btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more script-friendly
than emerge?
It's paludis, and no, the API is currently C++ only, afaik. There are ruby
bindings in the works, though. The other alternative, pkgcore, has a python
API...as does portage itself. None of
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:03:41 -0500
Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's paludis, and no, the API is currently C++ only, afaik. There
are ruby bindings in the works, though. The other alternative,
pkgcore, has a python API...as does portage itself. None of the
options have an interface
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:30:03 -0400 Chris Gianelloni
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 19:44 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:36:16 -0500 Brian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
| | ${CATEGORY}/${PN}:${SLOT}.
|
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 03:52:08PM -0400, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:30:03 -0400 Chris Gianelloni
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 19:44 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:36:16
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Michael Sterrett -Mr.
Bones.- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| What's the point of all the square brackets? Is there some benefit
| over just [foo -bar baz]?
Spaces in dep atoms would be highly evil, since it'd mean they were no
longer simply space delimited.
On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Spaces in dep atoms would be highly evil, since it'd mean they were no
longer simply space delimited. Commas [foo,-bar,baz] would be fine...
Write a better parser then :P
We use space-delimited USE flags everywhere else. It would make a
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:31 +0100 Stuart Herbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Spaces in dep atoms would be highly evil, since it'd mean they were
| no longer simply space delimited. Commas [foo,-bar,baz] would be
| fine...
|
| Write a
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:31 +0100
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We use space-delimited USE flags everywhere else. It would make a lot
of sense to keep it consistent here.
We also use space-delimited depend atoms everywhere else. It makes no
sense to break that when a comma works
Jan Kundrát posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on
Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:10:52 +0100:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
* Removed --ask message, apparently it's superfluous.
Why? I haven't found any conclusion about that in the last thread. It
doesn't make sense to show the message in both
Duncan wrote:
My thinking too, until I saw the portage dev (JStubbs?) mention it wasn't
needed.
I believe the thinking is that emerge --ask is basically emerge --pretend
with an opportunity to continue stuck on the end, thus eliminating running
the same command only without the --pretend
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:54:06PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:45 -0800 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I wish you'd reconsider, because I was looking forward to multiple
| repository support.
Well, if Portage ever gets multiple repository support, then news
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 01:07:27AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:51:05 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Transitioning from single news.unread to N is going to break clients
| that expect a single.
Yup.
| As I said, you're going to break stuff- and
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 09:52, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:11:51 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| newsdir=$(portageq envvar PORTDIR)/metadata/news
| newsdir=$(portageq newsdir gentoo)
|
| Both have one level of indirection. The first has two hard coded
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:09:02 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| What's a 'PORTDIR'?
A PORTDIR is a well defined, widely used variable.
| What's a 'metadata'?
A metadata is a well defined, widely used directory in the tree.
| Outside of portage, these are also magic name voodoo.
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| soon. The solution to that seems simple to me. Rather than have
| 'package manager' do anything, just have it provide hooks that will
| allow you to do your thing at the times you want.
Exactly what I am doing. Hence why I'm not making Portage know any more
than it
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:45 -0800 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I wish you'd reconsider, because I was looking forward to multiple
| repository support.
Well, if Portage ever gets multiple repository support, then news
clients can be updated to handle it. The GLEP says that already.
--
Ciaran McCreesh posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:20:43 +:
Ok, new draft. Changes are as follows:
[]
* Changed /var/lib/portage to /var/lib/gentoo
OK, I must have missed the reason for that, and it isn't listed in one of
your a previous version notes,
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:45, Andrew Muraco wrote:
Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:22, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:17:30 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| So what are you going to do? I asked already but you didn't answer.
| How are you
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:48, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:39:14 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| And how can that be adapted to work with overlays, completely
| ignoring the possibility of distinct repositories. Overlays is
| something that exists already
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:19:27 -0700 Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
| excerpted below, on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:20:43 +:
|
| Ok, new draft. Changes are as follows:
| []
| * Changed /var/lib/portage to /var/lib/gentoo
|
| OK, I must have missed the
Jason Stubbs wrote: [Mon Dec 12 2005, 07:51:51PM CST]
| There doesn't need to be a debate. This whole proposal doesn't care
| about portage compatibility whatsoever and it's exactly this style of
| thinking that slows down portage development (which everybody loves
| to complain about so
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 07:12, Grant Goodyear wrote:
Jason Stubbs wrote: [Mon Dec 12 2005, 07:51:51PM CST]
| As I said already, there will immediately be a bug asking for overlay
| support. Portage already supports multiple in a form whether anybody
| likes it or not. How they are
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:44:39 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Modifications are required to portage anyway. Why postpone it until
| after several readers are written and force all of them become broken?
Because there isn't a specification saying what the future changes to
Portage
Jason Stubbs wrote: [Tue Dec 13 2005, 05:44:39PM CST]
Wouldn't it suffice for the GLEP to simply have a statement that it will
query portage for a list of repositories, once there's a way to do that,
but until then the default repo will be assumed?
Modifications are required to portage
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 08:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:44:39 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Modifications are required to portage anyway. Why postpone it until
| after several readers are written and force all of them become broken?
Because there
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:11:51 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| newsdir=$(portageq envvar PORTDIR)/metadata/news
| newsdir=$(portageq newsdir gentoo)
|
| Both have one level of indirection. The first has two hard coded
| elements. The first has one. Where is the massive
For reference, I'm quoting this snippet from earlier in the thread:
Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Sunday 11 December 2005 10:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
.. Note:: Future changes to Portage involving support for multiple
repositories may require one news list per repository. Assuming
repositories have
Ciaran McCreesh posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:19:08 +:
Does anyone really use emerge --ask?
Oh, /my/ yes!
The following should speak for itself. (I have a similar set of ep*
commands, those in /usr/local/bin, so I can --pretend as my normal user.
Yes,
Jason Stubbs posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:11:53 +0900:
On Monday 12 December 2005 09:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:44:00 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Repositories will be user-labelled. However, all that readers need
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:49:31 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| No need for a glep as far as portage support goes anymore than Ciaran
| needs a glep to change or add syntax highlighting in vim.
The difference is, Vim syntax scripts are well established, and there
aren't any design
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 02:16, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:49:31 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| No need for a glep as far as portage support goes anymore than Ciaran
| needs a glep to change or add syntax highlighting in vim.
The difference is, Vim
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:51:51 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Without a list of future features, you think the best way to go must
| be the least agile? As Zac said, all that matters to keep full
| compatibility on the side of the readers is to add a level of
| indirection. All your
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:11, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:51:51 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Without a list of future features, you think the best way to go must
| be the least agile? As Zac said, all that matters to keep full
| compatibility on the
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:17:30 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| So what are you going to do? I asked already but you didn't answer.
| How are you going to find $PORTDIR/metadata/news?
At present, by using portageq with a hardcoded suffix. If in the future
Portage introduces new
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:22, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:17:30 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| So what are you going to do? I asked already but you didn't answer.
| How are you going to find $PORTDIR/metadata/news?
At present, by using portageq with a
Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 11:22, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:17:30 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| So what are you going to do? I asked already but you didn't answer.
| How are you going to find $PORTDIR/metadata/news?
At present, by
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:39:14 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| And how can that be adapted to work with overlays, completely
| ignoring the possibility of distinct repositories. Overlays is
| something that exists already and news support for them is a request
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:30:52 -0500 Dan Meltzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Internationalisable
|Being able to provide messages in multiple languages may be
| beneficial.
|
| Not quite sure, is it required for GLEP's to be in american English or
| is UK English fine?
|
| Pointing at
Alrighty then, good enough for me :)
One other thing
.. Note:: A previous draft of this GLEP allowed news items to be sent to
``gentoo-core`` instead of ``gentoo-dev``. It is possible that a situation
may arise where this will be necessary (for example, a security update which
must
Point of Clarity,
and the ``mysql-5`` database format changes.
These changes actually occured in mysql 4.1, not mysql-5
On 12/10/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Main changes since the previous edition:
* File format tweaks.
* Changes to the way relevance headers work to make
On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 22:31 -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
Point of Clarity,
and the ``mysql-5`` database format changes.
These changes actually occured in mysql 4.1, not mysql-5
* The sender's first name ends in 'an', and they are not me.
Um, your first name ends in 'an' so your
This feature should only be used for things that are directly related
to the tree, and will cause mass breakage if ignored.I
fully agree with this statement. I am behind the adoption of the
GLEP only if it does what (I originally believed) was its purpose...to
get CRITICAL news regarding package
Mint Shows wrote:
This feature should only be used for things that are directly related
to the tree, and will cause mass breakage if ignored.
I fully agree with this statement. I am behind the adoption of the
GLEP only if it does what (I originally believed) was its purpose...to
Personally, I do not think the tree is the place for anything besides
that which relates to the tree. I really do not think users would
appreciate there sync being burdoned by Developer x broke his toe
this week ; developer y is going to italy ; We recently recieved 3
new mirrors and have all
George Prowse posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:44:31 +:
Having organised several Gentoo UK meetings I would like to be advised if
anyone has a problem; especially if they dont come or have no idea when,
where or what they are.
Top posting lost the
Chris Gianelloni posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:26:08 -0500:
I hope that the technical solution will allow users to choose to see
news about packages that are not installed - so that we can deliver news
that isn't strictly package related, such as new Gentoo
Grobian posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 12
Nov 2005 09:49:11 +0100:
Stuart Herbert wrote:
I thought I'd been very clear in the email that you've replied to that I
support making the news available via other ways. It's the timing that
I'm a bit worried about.
And that
On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 04:32 -0700, Duncan wrote:
I agree to some extent with both viewpoints, here. I think the viewpoint
of the portage first side is that we already have the traditional
stuff, the announce and dev list, the GWN, the forums, and system
changing announcements generally make
Dan Meltzer wrote:
Forever.
How about, as long as relevant? ;)
--de.
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Grant Goodyear posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:09:58 -0600:
I was going to say that the only way new news items could appear is
during an emerge --sync, but of course that's not true for people who
either add an overlay or use CVS. I'd be comfortable with
maillog: 11/11/2005-05:48:50(-0700): Duncan types
Perhaps $PORTDIR/news, with seen and unseen subdirs (and appropriate
no-sync settings on the subdirs)
Remember that $PORTDIR can be shared between machines. That's why
world is kept in /var/lib/portage.
--
\Georgi Georgiev \ Ignorance
On Monday 07 November 2005 19:11, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
On Saturday 05 November 2005 06:34, Alec Warner wrote:
emerge --changelog has no 'official' format. I believe echangelog
actually puts the changes in the correct format for emerge -l to read,
however not everyone uses echangelog.
Jason Stubbs wrote: [Mon Nov 07 2005, 06:37:10AM CST]
So what's the point of the ChangeLog again? Move load from the CVS
server and onto the rsync servers? (Don't answer that - just beating a
dead horse ;)
*Grin* I'm going to answer anyway, since the answer isn't necessarily
obvious to
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 01:06, Grant Goodyear wrote:
Jason Stubbs wrote: [Mon Nov 07 2005, 06:37:10AM CST]
I'm really just against having it in emerge, especially with the current
suggestion of portage just doing a little bit of maintenance work for
external tools and nothing else.
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 21:37 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
So what's the point of the ChangeLog again?
Isn't it to record specific changes that have happened to a specific
package?
News items may be about changes that have not yet happened - to allow
users to plan ahead and prepare appropriately.
Jason Stubbs wrote:
I seem to be repeating myself... What's an example of repository-specific
non-package-specific news? Why does `emerge --changelog` not suffice for
package-specific news?
a) maintainers don't put important news in their changelogs.
there are a few exceptions. gregkh's
Stuart Herbert posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:37:14 +:
On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 13:58 +0100, Grobian wrote:
A lot Gentoo users I know read gentoo-announce and the GWN.
But *many* more don't. That's what we learned from the Apache package
refresh, and
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:38:47 -0700 Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| While I agree with the point you make, I don't believe the apache
| upgrade issues were announced on the announce list. The news in the
| tree thing is a good idea, IMO, but it'll take some time to
| implement. Earth changing
On Sunday 06 November 2005 13:38, Duncan wrote:
I don't believe the apache upgrade issues were announced on the announce
list.
For the record, it was sent to the announce list on 2004-12-24.
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [gentoo-announce] Apache packages refresh on 8th January 2005
On Saturday 05 November 2005 06:08, Jason Stubbs wrote:
Why does `emerge --changelog` not suffice for package-specific news?
From a user/sys.admin point of view let me give you an example;
I maintain quite a lot Gentoo-systems. For me it's impossible to read _every_
changelog for minor release
On Friday 04 November 2005 03:10, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
Stuart Herbert wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different
news in different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring
some facts to make your
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
the website is *the* source (your alternate sources should point back to
it).
I beg to differ.
On Friday 04 November 2005 23:26, Xavier Neys wrote:
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
the website is *the* source (your
Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Friday 04 November 2005 23:26, Xavier Neys wrote:
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
the website is
Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Saturday 05 November 2005 03:53, Alec Joseph Warner wrote:
As far as including news in the tree goes, news is repository bound
information. Each repository may in fact have relevant news, and in
preparation for multiple repositories this is how the news should be
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different news in
different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring some facts to
make your own argument.
That seems an unpleasant accusation to make :(
The answer is that I
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Stuart Herbert wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different news in
different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring some facts to
make your own argument.
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever
reason visit the
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever
reason visit the
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 19:32 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 19:32, Stuart Herbert wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever
The users I've spoken to about our news situation have expressly stated
that one
s/where headstarted by a blog post by Stuart/where headstarted by bug 11359/
To jump right in :)
On 10/31/05, Chris White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Attached in plain text form is glep 42 for the discussed thread.
It's rather long, but I hope it details any sort of questions that may be
Bah, replied to fast.
Other points of note...
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
2) Theoretically it could be crossposted to the forums, probably
simplest to do as a direct mysql insert, which'd be messy.
3) --news, my point of reamage.
This is
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever
reason visit the forums and not www.gentoo.org in a specific time
interval. The more
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