Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:40:53 -0500 james wrote: > On 06/16/2016 10:04 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:59:44 -0500 > > james wrote: > > > >> On 06/16/2016 02:51 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/16/2016 10:04 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:59:44 -0500 james wrote: On 06/16/2016 02:51 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 16/06/16 09:39, Daniel Campbell wrote: I guess what I mean is these outside

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:59:44 -0500 james wrote: > On 06/16/2016 02:51 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > On 16/06/16 09:39, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> I guess what I mean is these outside developers could continue

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/16/2016 02:51 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 16/06/16 09:39, Daniel Campbell wrote: I guess what I mean is these outside developers could continue hacking and/or breaking things, or whatever else, without worrying about their "official"

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 15/06/16 07:42, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 05:15:03 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 00:12:40 +0200 >> "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: >> >>> Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016, 02:32:41 schrieb Peter Stuge: >>> I would personally be super

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 16/06/16 09:39, Daniel Campbell wrote: > I guess what I mean is these outside developers could continue > hacking and/or breaking things, or whatever else, without worrying > about their "official" branch. We could have a standard that >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 16/06/16 09:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: > There is overhead in choosing which repositories you want to > include in your 'upstream'. Even with an automated tool like > layman, there's maintenance overhead. We'd need another tool to > assist in

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/16/2016 12:35 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 16/06/16 09:24, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> To touch on the user repo part.. can't it be as simple as adding >> one requirement to user repos that wish to be considered as >> curated? > >> Create a "gentoo-ci" branch or something else, and the

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 16/06/16 09:24, Daniel Campbell wrote: > To touch on the user repo part.. can't it be as simple as adding > one requirement to user repos that wish to be considered as > curated? > > Create a "gentoo-ci" branch or something else, and the

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/15/2016 12:22 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 14/06/16 08:48, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> What sort of modularization are you talking about? > The cheap answer is "as much as possible. > >> Would we suggest something like GNOME, KDE, XFCE, Mate, Cinnamon, >> et al getting their own

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/15/2016 12:37 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > You've got most things right, Rich. But a couple of comments follow. > > On 15/06/16 02:25, Rich Freeman wrote: >> 1. Developers wouldn't have access to all the ebuilds in the >> curated repositories. They would only have access to the ones

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

Dnia 15 czerwca 2016 08:42:26 CEST, Andrew Savchenko napisał(a): >On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 05:15:03 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 00:12:40 +0200 >> "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: >> >> > Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016, 02:32:41 schrieb Peter

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 You've got most things right, Rich. But a couple of comments follow. On 15/06/16 02:25, Rich Freeman wrote: > 1. Developers wouldn't have access to all the ebuilds in the > curated repositories. They would only have access to the ones they >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 14/06/16 08:48, Daniel Campbell wrote: > What sort of modularization are you talking about? The cheap answer is "as much as possible. > Would we suggest something like GNOME, KDE, XFCE, Mate, Cinnamon, > et al getting their own overlays?

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 05:15:03 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 00:12:40 +0200 > "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > > > Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016, 02:32:41 schrieb Peter Stuge: > > > > > > > > I would personally be super happy to have my overlay hosted at Gentoo

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

Hi! On Tue, 14 Jun 2016, Rich Freeman wrote: > 1. Developers wouldn't have access to all the ebuilds in the curated > repositories. They would only have access to the ones they contribute > to. > 1a. You could accept a contributor into a small project and not have > to give them access to the

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 00:12:40 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016, 02:32:41 schrieb Peter Stuge: > > > > > I would personally be super happy to have my overlay hosted at Gentoo - > > > > So what precisely is keeping you from that? > >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 00:21:45 +0200 > "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: >> Am Montag, 13. Juni 2016, 09:50:15 schrieb Alexander Berntsen: >> > > I still think you're underestimating the need

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 00:21:45 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > Am Montag, 13. Juni 2016, 09:50:15 schrieb Alexander Berntsen: > > > I still think you're underestimating the need for centralization. > > > What you call a "core/base" package is probably going to end up > > >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

Am Montag, 13. Juni 2016, 09:50:15 schrieb Alexander Berntsen: > > > I still think you're underestimating the need for centralization. > > What you call a "core/base" package is probably going to end up > > being anything listed in a dependency. That is a LOT of packages, > > actually - we're

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2016, 02:32:41 schrieb Peter Stuge: > > I would personally be super happy to have my overlay hosted at Gentoo - > So what precisely is keeping you from that? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Overlays/Overlays_guide -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/14/2016 01:48 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 06/13/2016 11:24 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: In addition to what Peter Stuge (correctly) identifies as needing to change, there also needs to be a modularisation of Gentoo-curated package repositories. What sort of modularization are you

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/13/2016 11:24 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > In addition to what Peter Stuge (correctly) identifies as needing to > change, there also needs to be a modularisation of Gentoo-curated > package repositories. > What sort of modularization are you talking about? Would we suggest something like

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 In addition to what Peter Stuge (correctly) identifies as needing to change, there also needs to be a modularisation of Gentoo-curated package repositories. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander -BEGIN PGP

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

Consus wrote: > This is how overlays work right now. What are suggesting to change? Technically not a lot in terms of how packages get installed. It's more about offering support and/or visibility for overlays. So technically it's about hosting user repos, making the ebuilds within easily

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 09:55 Mon 13 Jun, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 10/06/16 17:32, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > On 10/06/16 03:53 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > >> ... Their repositories would likely be amalgamations of our > >> curated and reviewed

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:15 AM, james wrote: > and start coding your dream. I'm not that enthusiastic. It's up to the Gentoo masters if they would find it helpful to the community or not. > But the proven pathways, should be left > intact and receive further documentation,

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 13/06/16 10:09, M. J. Everitt wrote: > Excuse me .. and this thread emerged from deprecating the EXACT > thing you are suggesting!? I don't know what you are talking about. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 13/06/16 09:54, M. J. Everitt wrote: > I really think someone needs to do a bit of portageq and see what > the Tree *actually* contains > > Likewise .. a trek through bugzilla would also be enlightening for > those not familiar ... > >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 13/06/16 09:04, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 11/06/16 09:00, Michał Górny wrote: > > If you are not going to maintain your contribution, we can't > > guarantee it will be accepted. I'm certainly not interested in > > having to worry about 20 more maintainer-needed packages next month > >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/06/16 09:00, Michał Górny wrote: > If you are not going to maintain your contribution, we can't > guarantee it will be accepted. I'm certainly not interested in > having to worry about 20 more maintainer-needed packages next month > because

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/06/16 18:18, Rich Freeman wrote: > And my understanding again for Exherbo And it is wrong again, according to an Exherbo user I talked to. Please get your Exherbo developer to participate directly, because I think you are having some trouble

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/06/16 17:32, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 10/06/16 03:53 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: >> ... Their repositories would likely be amalgamations of our >> curated and reviewed repositories ... > Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 13/06/16 08:50, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > > I still think you're underestimating the need for centralization. > > What you call a "core/base" package is probably going to end up > > being anything listed in a dependency. That is a LOT of packages, > > actually - we're not just talking

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/06/16 12:38, Rich Freeman wrote: > So, I was chatting with an Exherbo dev. Their model isn't quite > what your earlier emails seemed to suggest (at least as I read > it). You should get them to reply to this thread, because... > As I

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/06/16 11:33, Consus wrote: > That's great, but how are you gonna prevent nodejs-like > clusterfuck[?] By not being nodejs. The core repos are curated and reviewed. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/12/2016 01:10 AM, konsolebox wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:09:39 +0800 konsolebox wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:53 PM, james wrote: The grandiose-ness you propose

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:48 PM, james wrote: > On 06/10/2016 10:09 PM, konsolebox wrote: >> >> What matters is the contribution, and the result. If you don't like >> how a user makes a contribution, don't accept the pull request, or >> don't merge his package. Simple. If

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:09:39 +0800 > konsolebox wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:53 PM, james wrote: >> > The grandiose-ness you propose should only come upon graduating from

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 12/06/16 04:53, james wrote: > > So I read this bug, but it did not illuminate an active archive, but the > requests and subsequent problems encountered, or did i miss it? It > looks like the kinks are being worked out. PM having a ML is a great > idea. > > > Interesting. I found the ML @

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/12/2016 04:57 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 06/12/2016 05:53 AM, james wrote: > >> I only see (2) posts in the ML, so is it active? > > It is a new ML, but it is active to the extent that you should expect to > see discussion on it > To elaborate on this, there were posts on it

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/12/2016 05:53 AM, james wrote: > On 06/11/2016 08:29 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >> On 06/12/2016 04:20 AM, james wrote: >>> >>> Is there an archive to this wonderful list? I cannot seem to find the >>> archive? >> >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581370 >> > > So I read this

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/11/2016 08:29 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: On 06/12/2016 04:20 AM, james wrote: Is there an archive to this wonderful list? I cannot seem to find the archive? https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581370 So I read this bug, but it did not illuminate an active archive, but the

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/11/2016 05:52 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:58:35PM +0200, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote On 06/11/2016 10:53 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 06/11/2016 07:48 AM, james wrote: [snip] Good/Bad idea, posting proxy-maintainer questions to gentoo-user? (recall irc

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/12/2016 04:20 AM, james wrote: > > Is there an archive to this wonderful list? I cannot seem to find the > archive? https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581370 -- Kristian Fiskerstrand OpenPGP certificate reachable at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fpr:94CB AFDD 3034 5109 5618 35AA

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/11/2016 03:59 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 06/11/2016 01:58 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: On 06/11/2016 10:53 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 06/11/2016 07:48 AM, james wrote: There is also a gentoo-proxy-ma...@lists.gentoo.org list for these kinds of questions that is likely more

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:58:35PM +0200, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote > On 06/11/2016 10:53 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > On 06/11/2016 07:48 AM, james wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >> Good/Bad idea, posting proxy-maintainer questions to gentoo-user? > >> (recall irc does not work for me). Also, it

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/11/2016 01:58 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 06/11/2016 10:53 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> On 06/11/2016 07:48 AM, james wrote: >>> [snip] >>> >>> Good/Bad idea, posting proxy-maintainer questions to gentoo-user? >>> (recall irc does not work for me). Also, it might just spur on

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/11/2016 10:53 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 06/11/2016 07:48 AM, james wrote: >> [snip] >> >> Good/Bad idea, posting proxy-maintainer questions to gentoo-user? >> (recall irc does not work for me). Also, it might just spur on other >> users to create/maintain a few packages in their own

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/11/2016 07:48 AM, james wrote: > [snip] > > Good/Bad idea, posting proxy-maintainer questions to gentoo-user? > (recall irc does not work for me). Also, it might just spur on other > users to create/maintain a few packages in their own area of interest. Anyone is welcome to post to either

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/10/2016 10:09 PM, konsolebox wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:53 PM, james wrote: The grandiose-ness you propose should only come upon graduating from proxy school, imho. user-->strong-users-->proxy-->dev pathway. Pedantic, bureaucratic, procedure-oriented,

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/10/2016 09:05 AM, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 04:20:06PM +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote: >> (2) any user can edit wiki pages not governed by Projects. Even Project >> pages I'm sure could be updated by means of patches submitted to the >> appropriate team, with some basic

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

Presently, the way to make contributions as outlined in [1] is to create a bugzilla ticket and attach the patch to that ticket. But there is no community involvement really for this. A possible model for increasing user-collaboration and promoting user activity: >From User's POV: - Do emerge

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:09:39 +0800 konsolebox wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:53 PM, james wrote: > > The grandiose-ness you propose should only come upon graduating from proxy > > school, imho. > > user-->strong-users-->proxy-->dev pathway. > >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > It would be wise of us to create a novel way of involving users from > the ashes of Sunrise. > > Here is my suggestion: It would be fruitful to encourage every single > Gentoo user to have their own repository. And

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:16 PM, james wrote: > On 06/10/2016 08:00 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >> >> The Exherbo model is not "packages are all over the place and there is >> no coordination whatsoever". The model is "packages that lots of people >> use are in a small

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/10/2016 10:20 AM, M. J. Everitt wrote: On 10/06/16 17:16, james wrote: And this effort needs a documentation collection to support users, post installation to their target (ideal stage-4?) collection of packages; many of which they maintain themselves even if a strong-user or dev helps

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 04:20:06PM +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote: > (2) any user can edit wiki pages not governed by Projects. Even Project > pages I'm sure could be updated by means of patches submitted to the > appropriate team, with some basic follow-up to ensure action. Only users with a wiki

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 10/06/16 03:53 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > ... Their repositories > would likely be amalgamations of our curated and reviewed > repositories ... Could you elaborate on what you mean by this? When I read it, it sounds like you're saying people will copy ebuilds/packages from the

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > How do you know? What is your experience in the area of coordinating > work across repos in a Gentoo-style distribution? I don't have much experience with ebuilds, but I have plenty of experience with

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 10/06/16 17:16, james wrote: > > And this effort needs a documentation collection to support users, > post installation to their target (ideal stage-4?) collection of > packages; many of which they maintain themselves even if a strong-user > or dev > helps them assimilate those final packages.

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/10/2016 08:00 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 06:20:38 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: On 08/06/16 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote: Do you propose that you can have cross-repo dependencies? Sure. This works well in Exherbo using Paludis. We could do it right now if

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:25:08 +0200 Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > I would tend to agree with those who have written that coordinating > work across repos is kind of a pain. How do you know? What is your experience in the area of coordinating work across repos in a Gentoo-style

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 06:20:38 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > > On 08/06/16 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Do you propose that you can have cross-repo dependencies? > > Sure. This works well in Exherbo using Paludis. We could do it > > right now if we wanted to. > > > >> If so

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:45 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > On 09/06/16 22:15, Michał Górny wrote: >> Didn't you just contradict yourself? First you tell that everyone >> should have their own public repo... then you tell that we should >> merge stuff from those repos. So

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 09:53 Fri 10 Jun, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > So forgive me for being blind .. but we were talking about going > > -away- from central, curated repositories, and now we've come full > > circle to the situation we have now with overlays, mostly > > controlled in some way by gentoo .. so, do

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/06/16 09:39, M. J. Everitt wrote: > So forgive me for being blind .. but we were talking about going > -away- from central, curated repositories, and now we've come full > circle to the situation we have now with overlays, mostly >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/06/16 22:15, Michał Górny wrote: > Didn't you just contradict yourself? First you tell that everyone > should have their own public repo... then you tell that we should > merge stuff from those repos. So are you targeting split-repo > model,

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 10/06/16 08:33, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 09/06/16 12:28, Igor Savlook wrote: > > Ok how coordinate? Example: I install packageA in exherbo from > > repository1 and packageA denend on packageB on repository2. Now > > packageB removed from repository2 and exherbo crash on install > >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/06/16 12:28, Igor Savlook wrote: > Ok how coordinate? Example: I install packageA in exherbo from > repository1 and packageA denend on packageB on repository2. Now > packageB removed from repository2 and exherbo crash on install > package

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/06/16 12:20, Rich Freeman wrote: > Perhaps you could explain how they actually prevent the issues I > brought up? You should probably ask the Exherbo developers, not me. > > Suppose you have 10 packages, and they each depend on zlib from a

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 15:16:57 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > It would be wise of us to create a novel way of involving users from > the ashes of Sunrise. > > Here is my suggestion: It would be fruitful to encourage every single > Gentoo user to have their own repository.

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > If you mean that we should go with what is currently popular, then > that would be Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and to a lesser degree > Ubuntu. But I'm not sure what that mental exercise affords us. I am > more

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > On 09/06/16 12:14, Johannes Huber wrote: >> This statement is not feeded with numbers. Distrowatch tells >> something else. > I don't know what "feeded" means. Distrowatch is useless for anything > but figuring out

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/09/2016 12:38 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/06/16 16:53, Consus wrote: How all those people are expected to coordinate their work? I don't want to control this. That's up to them. It works well in Exherbo and NixOS. But I agree that

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/06/16 12:14, Johannes Huber wrote: > This statement is not feeded with numbers. Distrowatch tells > something else. I don't know what "feeded" means. Distrowatch is useless for anything but figuring out what distros are popular among people

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 08/06/16 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote: >> Do you propose that you can have cross-repo dependencies? > Sure. This works well in Exherbo using Paludis. We could do

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

Am Mittwoch 08 Juni 2016, 15:16:57 schrieb Alexander Berntsen: > In the end, Gentoo might make a gigantic leap into the future with a > truly modular distribution. If anyone wants to look at distros that > get this more right than Gentoo, have a look at e.g. NixOS and Exherbo. This statement is

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 09/06/16 10:58, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 09/06/16 11:55, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > According to Enigmail, it expired April 19th. > I suggest you refresh your keys. My signing subkey was signed April > 20th and expires in 2017. > Indeed, cache error, thanks. All square now. MJE

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/06/16 11:55, Daniel Campbell wrote: > According to Enigmail, it expired April 19th. I suggest you refresh your keys. My signing subkey was signed April 20th and expires in 2017. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/09/2016 02:53 AM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 09/06/16 10:48, Alexander Berntsen wrote: >> On 09/06/16 11:45, M. J. Everitt wrote: >> > Btw, your key is showing up as expired, Alex. >> It doesn't expire until next year. >> >> > > I'll blame it on Enigmail, but this is the information I'm

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 09/06/16 10:48, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 09/06/16 11:45, M. J. Everitt wrote: > > Btw, your key is showing up as expired, Alex. > It doesn't expire until next year. > > I'll blame it on Enigmail, but this is the information I'm seeing: "EXPIRED KEY Good signature from "Alexander

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/06/16 11:45, M. J. Everitt wrote: > Btw, your key is showing up as expired, Alex. It doesn't expire until next year. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/06/16 01:08, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Sigh. Every 2 years somebody else comes up with the same silly > idea. I stopped reading your email after this sentence. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 09/06/16 10:37, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 08/06/16 16:39, Zac Medico wrote: > > The first obstacle that comes to my mind is how to discover the > > packages. There needs to be a central index of repositories which > > includes searchable metadata for all of the packages provided by > >

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/06/16 18:15, Peter Stuge wrote: > Do NOT - I repeat NOT - tie "user repos" to GitHub Inc. If I were in charge or to be involved, I would not even dream about tying users to a proprietary SaaS. That would be highly unethical in my view. - --

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/06/16 17:53, james wrote: >> DEAL? No thanks. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXWTpTAAoJENQqWdRUGk8BPAsQAM1vjeh7AzBx8yVGHcZ0U+vJ

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/06/16 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote: > Do you propose that you can have cross-repo dependencies? Sure. This works well in Exherbo using Paludis. We could do it right now if we wanted to. > If so that creates a lot of potential issues, even if you

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/06/16 16:53, Consus wrote: > How all those people are expected to coordinate their work? I don't want to control this. That's up to them. It works well in Exherbo and NixOS. But I agree that tooling to support it would be useful. - --

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/06/16 16:39, Zac Medico wrote: > The first obstacle that comes to my mind is how to discover the > packages. There needs to be a central index of repositories which > includes searchable metadata for all of the packages provided by > those

Re: CoC (Was: Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project))

On 06/08/2016 11:21 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 22:07:06 -0700 Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> There are some of us against GitHub and/or other commercial outfits, so >> that's not a problem. We offer some mirrors on GitHub, and some devs >> host things on there, but

CoC (Was: Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project))

Hi! On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 22:07:06 -0700 Daniel Campbell wrote: > There are some of us against GitHub and/or other commercial outfits, so > that's not a problem. We offer some mirrors on GitHub, and some devs > host things on there, but it's nothing officially endorsed or otherwise > required by

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 09/06/16 15:31, NP-Hardass wrote: > On 06/09/2016 01:03 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > [...] >> Proxy-maint team: do you guys feel that your project and/or process are >> a suitable starting point to becoming a proper Gentoo developer? > As with everything, it depends on the individual. One can

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/09/2016 01:03 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: [...] > Proxy-maint team: do you guys feel that your project and/or process are > a suitable starting point to becoming a proper Gentoo developer? As with everything, it depends on the individual. One can certainly cut their teeth and

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/08/2016 10:54 AM, james wrote: > On 06/08/2016 11:27 AM, Nathan Zachary wrote: >> >>> GitHub Inc. is successful because they host a central location with >>> "all the code on the Internet"; convenient for consumers and >>> producers alike. Of course it is a fallacy, but it's convenient >>>

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/08/2016 08:53 AM, james wrote: > On 06/08/2016 08:16 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > Friends, > > It would be wise of us to create a novel way of involving users from > the ashes of Sunrise. > > Here is my suggestion: It would be fruitful to encourage every single > Gentoo user to have

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 09/06/16 09:08, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > >> This could lead to a future where the Gentoo tree is largely >> superseded. Every user would just have their own repository, where >> they could pick and choose packages from other users. The Gentoo tree >> would just focus on a high-quality

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 09/06/16 00:08, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > > This could lead to a future where the Gentoo tree is largely > > superseded. Every user would just have their own repository, where > > they could pick and choose packages from other users. The Gentoo tree > > would just focus on a high-quality

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 > > This could lead to a future where the Gentoo tree is largely > superseded. Every user would just have their own repository, where > they could pick and choose packages from other users. The Gentoo tree > would just focus on a high-quality

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On 06/08/2016 11:27 AM, Nathan Zachary wrote: GitHub Inc. is successful because they host a central location with "all the code on the Internet"; convenient for consumers and producers alike. Of course it is a fallacy, but it's convenient when it works. Ensure that Gentoo accomplishes the

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