* Rafael Fernández López [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The first thing that I'd change is etc-update or dispatch-conf. I'd
thanks for the tip to dispatch-conf. Again learned something new :)
This is what I was just looking for.
BTW: if you change some config file by hand, it's seems
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:34:52 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
BTW#2: is there any option to diff trim off ending whitespaces on
each line before comparing ? I sometimes see changed lines where I
actually can't see any difference, so there're probably just some
ending whitespaces added/removed.
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 05:29:06PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote
Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
When I say yes I mean yes. When I say no I mean no. And I
don't mean just until the next update either. I have reasons for my
settings; please don't act like Windows and assume that you know better
Walter Dnes wrote:
I think there's a mis-understanding here. Gerhard and I are
complaining about config files being possibly *OVERWRITTEN* with default
settings. If there's no config file, sure write the default config
file. But if someone has customized a config file, assume that they
Alexander Skwar wrote:
Walter Dnes wrote:
I think there's a mis-understanding here. Gerhard and I are
complaining about config files being possibly *OVERWRITTEN* with default
settings. If there's no config file, sure write the default config
file. But if someone has customized a
Dale wrote:
Careful with that -5 option.
delta ~ # ( while true ; do echo -5\n ; done ) | etc-update
*shifty eyes*
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On 7/11/06, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 05:29:06PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote
Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
When I say yes I mean yes. When I say no I mean no. And I
don't mean just until the next update either. I have reasons for my
settings; please don't
On 7/9/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
WouldPORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=[EMAIL PROTECTED] user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:pass_with_:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@mailserver:port
work? For clarification:user=
user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]pass=pass_with_:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailserver=mailserverport=port
Well, ymmv, but
I think there's a mis-understanding here. Gerhard and I are
complaining about config files being possibly *OVERWRITTEN* with default
settings. If there's no config file, sure write the default config
file. But if someone has customized a config file, assume that they
know what
Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
I think there's a mis-understanding here. Gerhard and I are
complaining about config files being possibly *OVERWRITTEN* with default
settings. If there's no config file, sure write the default config
file. But if someone has customized a config file, assume
Hi,
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:07:42 +0200
Gerhard Hoogterp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Show me what is added or removed. And since it can only do that by comparing
the new file to a clean, untouched, original file I innocently suggested to
have such a file, make changes there and leave it up to
[Discussion about etc-update (and friends) changing something that was
set by the user]
I believe there is a misunderstanding. Perhaps what the OP is noting
is that etc-update gives you diffs between
* The file as on your system (which may have user changes)
* The file as in the current
Allan Gottlieb wrote:
[Discussion about etc-update (and friends) changing something that was
set by the user]
I believe there is a misunderstanding. Perhaps what the OP is noting
is that etc-update gives you diffs between
* The file as on your system (which may have user changes)
*
Allan Gottlieb wrote:
I believe he would prefer to know the difference
* The file as in the previous emerge of this package
* The file as in the current emerge of this package
Then he would decide what to do with these changes.
Precisely. When Portage makes a ._cfg_* file, it
At Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:01:00 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allan Gottlieb wrote:
[Discussion about etc-update (and friends) changing something that was
set by the user]
I believe there is a misunderstanding. Perhaps what the OP is noting
is that etc-update gives you diffs between
On Friday 07 July 2006 15:22, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
Hi,
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that
fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
can be improved in this wonderful distro.
snip
If I have more ideas I'll
On 7/11/06, David Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to see an option where certain packages are not upgrade just because
they're out of date, but require an additional command line argument.
Additionally, a tool that I could run that tells me the following packages
are being 'held back'
Richard Fish wrote:
On 7/7/06, Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, correct me if I'm wrong but it think it's not quite true.
I *think* if you have buildpkg in your FEATURES, you will
get binary packages in your $PKGDIR with the new, updated versions.
But previous versions are not
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
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What to do when your smtp server needs authentification ?
Curse the damned too simple ELOG interface :)
That's why I wrote, that I actually use =custom. I wrote a page on
the wiki regarding this:
Alexander Skwar
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
What to do when your smtp server needs authentification ?
Well, I wrote a page on the wiki. And I wanted to post the URL, but
my fingers are too clumsy :)
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Making_portage_use_/usr/sbin/sendmail_to_send_out_ELOG_mails
In this wiki
Walter Dnes schrieb:
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 09:22:29PM +0200, Rafael Fern??ndez L??pez wrote
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution
that fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what
things can be improved in this wonderful distro.
The first
There you don't have to ask for
permission and a simple diff can reveal the changes whenever I want.
A simple diff is all that's done right now (well, basically at least;
basically etc-update can be seen as a sort of front-end to diff).
To throw my two cents in here, I'd like etc-update to
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David Dalrymple wrote:
There you don't have to ask for
permission and a simple diff can reveal the changes whenever I want.
A simple diff is all that's done right now (well, basically at least;
basically etc-update can be seen as a sort of
On Sunday 9 July 2006 17:53, David Dalrymple wrote:
To throw my two cents in here, I'd like etc-update to use vimdiff,
which is another front-end to diff, and much more intuitive to me.
I think that vimdiff is the same as vim -d; if this is correct, just
edit /etc/etc-update.conf and enable
David Dalrymple schrieb:
There you don't have to ask for
permission and a simple diff can reveal the changes whenever I want.
A simple diff is all that's done right now (well, basically at least;
basically etc-update can be seen as a sort of front-end to diff).
To throw my two cents in
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:18:32 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
What to do when your smtp server needs authentification ?
Curse the damned too simple ELOG interface :)
That's why I wrote, that I actually use =custom. I wrote a page on
the wiki regarding this:
What's wrong with the procedure
Neil Bothwick schrieb:
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:18:32 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
What to do when your smtp server needs authentification ?
Curse the damned too simple ELOG interface :)
That's why I wrote, that I actually use =custom. I wrote a page on
the wiki regarding this:
What's
On Sunday 09 July 2006 17:29, Alexander Skwar wrote:
As I wrote in an other mail: Stop interfering with the actual configfile
and add the changes to a config.conf.dist file.
Yep, you wrote that, and I answered that *I* would *NOT* like this.
I like it, that I can use a program right away -
Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
On Sunday 09 July 2006 17:29, Alexander Skwar wrote:
As I wrote in an other mail: Stop interfering with the actual configfile
and add the changes to a config.conf.dist file.
Yep, you wrote that, and I answered that *I* would *NOT* like this.
I like it, that I can
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 20:18:25 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
Would
PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:pass_with_:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@mailserver:port
work? For clarification:
user=user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
pass=pass_with_:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rafael Fernández López wrote:
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add sasl support to yout MTA?
kashani
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You can see here that you *CAN* use vimdiff, I personally use colordiff
which you can see above. HTH
Ah, very nice. So then the alleged problems in etc-update lie not
with the frontend to diff itself, but with the idea of using a
frontend to diff (as opposed to a more complex system)?
--David
On Saturday 08 July 2006 04:23, Zac Medico wrote:
Look inside $PORTDIR/sys-apps/portage/files/README.RESCUE and you'll see
this:
Please see
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml for a
recovery guide for a broken portage installation.
yeah, but that does not
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:00:27 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:
1) I would like to see an implementation of PAUSE. I mean, during most
of the emerges there is not only one package to be emerged. Some of the
packages have instructions for additional post installation steps that
the user
should take.
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Hi guys,
There are some things that I forgot to tell ya.
I know that lots of you don't know dpkg-reconfigure, well, it will
write the /etc/whatever.conf file for you asking you in an interactive
way what do you want to do. I'd
Justin R Findlay wrote:
ctrl-s, ctrl-q seems to work for me.
This means one still has to monitor the output.
In my /etc/make.conf I have:
PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=info warn error log
PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=mail syslog
PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you for pointing this out. It is
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:00:27 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:
emerge is, by definition, a non-interactive program (apart from --ask
which works before emerge starts its business). Use the ELOG features of
portage 2.1 to have this messages save to a file, mailed to you or read
Rafael Fernández López wrote:
Hi guys,
There are some things that I forgot to tell ya.
I know that lots of you don't know dpkg-reconfigure, well, it will
write the /etc/whatever.conf file for you asking you in an interactive
way what do you want to do. I'd compare it to some
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 05:42:25PM +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:
Yes, I already have about 400MB of logs there. I still wonder when will
come the day I'll wipe them out. :)
I have a simple cron job that bzip2's them and about a year's worth of
logs amounts to about 30 Mib, but I should probably
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
The first thing that I'd change is etc-update or dispatch-conf. I'd
suggest to create some kind of tool like dpkg-reconfigure in Debian.
More intuitive than reading /etc files and writing them by hand that is
more probably to be mistaken when writing.
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
Second thing that I'd improve is a security one. I know that emerge
is a very cared package, but it is a script. Suppose that someone
commits portage with a emerge failure in its code (he forgot a comma
!!)... if someone updates portage won't be able to
Lord Sauron schrieb:
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Lord Sauron wrote:
My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
This NEVER happened
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
I know that lots of you don't know dpkg-reconfigure, well, it will
write the /etc/whatever.conf file for you asking you in an interactive
way what do you want to do.
But etc-update is interactive as well, isn't it?
process, so I'd suggest to print
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:30:06 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
I know that lots of you don't know dpkg-reconfigure, well,
it will write the /etc/whatever.conf file for you asking you in an
interactive way what do you want to do.
But etc-update is interactive as well, isn't it?
And you
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 09:22:29PM +0200, Rafael Fern??ndez L??pez wrote
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution
that fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what
things can be improved in this wonderful distro.
The first thing that I'd change
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:32:58 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
FEATURES=buildpkg emerge --oneshot portage python
I know that. I prefer quickpkg. ;)
The difference is that the buildpkg approach verifies the package by
building it and then installing from it.
Before a big, scary
When I say yes I mean yes. When I say no I mean no. And I
don't mean just until the next update either. I have reasons for my
settings; please don't act like Windows and assume that you know better
than me. And there is no excuse whatsoever for wiping out the custom
settings in
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Cheers,
Rafael Fernández López.
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On Saturday 08 July 2006 23:00, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:32:58 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
FEATURES=buildpkg emerge --oneshot portage python
I know that. I prefer quickpkg. ;)
The difference is that the buildpkg approach verifies the package by
building it and
Daniel Iliev wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
EXTRA_ECONF=--disable-runtime-cpudetection emerge --options mplayer
This doesn't work with every ebuild, but it does with most of them.
Correct. This doesn't work for mplayer.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ equery u mplayer
[ Searching for packages
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:10:17 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
Using buildpkg means I never have to worry about forgetting to run
quickpkg, i can concentrate on all the other things I forget to do :)
yeah, but some people are a little bit harddisc-space constraint ;)
Yeah, I know. That's
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:59:24 +0200, Gerhard Hoogterp wrote:
Something alike for the messages during an emerge. Often I see
instructions on what to do after the emerge flashing by while doing an
emerge world, I don't even want to know how many I miss.. Why not log
those to a seperate file so
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Hi,
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that
fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
can be improved in this wonderful distro.
The first thing that I'd change is etc-update
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Rafael Fernández López wrote:
Hi,
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution
that
fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
can be improved in this wonderful distro.
The first thing
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Hi,
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that
fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
can be improved in this wonderful
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first thing that I'd change is etc-update or dispatch-conf. I'd
suggest to create some kind of tool like dpkg-reconfigure in Debian.
I don't know anything about dpkg-reconfigure, so I can't really comment on this.
But one
On 7/7/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first thing that I'd change is etc-update or dispatch-conf.
I'd
suggest to create some kind of tool like dpkg-reconfigure in Debian.
I don't know anything about
On Friday 07 July 2006 21:22, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
Second thing that I'd improve is a security one. I know that emerge
is a very cared package, but it is a script. Suppose that someone
commits portage with a emerge failure in its code (he forgot a comma
!!)... if someone
Le vendredi 07 juillet 2006 à 14:12 -0700, Richard Fish a écrit :
Hmm, looks like a new version of python was installed. You should run
python-updater to make sure all python modules are rebuilt. Do you
want to do that now?
The problem with this is that it break for users who put emerge in
Richard Fish wrote:
--snip
It is far more likely that you could break python (and thus portage)
from a mishandled gcc or glibc update. But there is already a
recovery option available in this case; if you have buildpkg in your
FEATURES, you will already have a backup copy of
On 7/7/06, Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, correct me if I'm wrong but it think it's not quite true.
I *think* if you have buildpkg in your FEATURES, you will
get binary packages in your $PKGDIR with the new, updated versions.
But previous versions are not deleted until you do an
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Hi,
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that
fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
can be improved in this wonderful
Lord Sauron wrote:
My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
This NEVER happened in Debian.
Yeah, emerge should probably start caching this info for faster
searches. emerge overall though got a
Richard Fish wrote:
On 7/7/06, Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, correct me if I'm wrong but it think it's not quite true.
I *think* if you have buildpkg in your FEATURES, you will
get binary packages in your $PKGDIR with the new, updated versions.
But previous versions are not
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Lord Sauron wrote:
My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
This NEVER happened in Debian.
emerge/portage has lots of room for improvement. Lots of
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Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Friday 07 July 2006 21:22, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
Second thing that I'd improve is a security one. I know that emerge
is a very cared package, but it is a script. Suppose that someone
commits portage
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
emerge/portage has lots of room for improvement. Lots of the code is quite
messy and it has been largely neglected because most people simply refuse to do
much work on such a mess. However, since I've joined the project, I've been
doing doing
On 7/7/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lord Sauron wrote:
My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
This NEVER happened in Debian.
Yeah, emerge should probably start caching this info
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Lord Sauron wrote:
My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
This NEVER happened in Debian.
On 7/7/06, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scripts are great, but they aren't for whole applications. Yes, that
would be a quotable.
I think (someone please correct me if I am wrong) that most of portage
is actually implemented in python. The actual merge process is shell
script, but
On 7/7/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/7/06, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scripts are great, but they aren't for whole applications. Yes, that
would be a quotable.
I think (someone please correct me if I am wrong) that most of portage
is actually implemented in python.
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Lord Sauron wrote:
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah. Portage works, however, I think it's really in need of a large
overhaul. If what you're saying is true, and it's really just a load
of scripts, then I really would HIGHLY
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Lord Sauron wrote:
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah. Portage works, however, I think it's really in need of a large
overhaul. If what you're saying is true, and it's really just
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