On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:34:52 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> BTW#2: is there any option to diff trim off ending whitespaces on
> each line before comparing ? I sometimes see changed lines where I
> actually can't see any difference, so there're probably just some
> ending whitespaces added/removed
* Rafael Fernández López <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The first thing that I'd change is "etc-update" or "dispatch-conf". I'd
thanks for the tip to "dispatch-conf". Again learned something new :)
This is what I was just looking for.
BTW: if you change some config file by hand, it's seems
On 7/11/06, David Corbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd like to see an option where certain packages are not upgrade just because
they're out of date, but require an additional command line argument.
Additionally, a tool that I could run that tells me "the following packages
are being 'held back'
On Friday 07 July 2006 15:22, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that
> fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
> can be improved in this wonderful distro.
>
> If I have more ideas I'll
At Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:01:00 -0500 Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>> [Discussion about etc-update (and friends) changing something that was
>> set by the user]
>>
>> I believe there is a misunderstanding. Perhaps what the OP is noting
>> is that etc-update gives you diffs
Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> I believe he would prefer to know the difference
>
> * The file as in the previous emerge of this package
>
> * The file as in the current emerge of this package
>
> Then he would decide what to do with these changes.
Precisely. When Portage makes a ._cfg_* file, i
Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> [Discussion about etc-update (and friends) changing something that was
> set by the user]
>
> I believe there is a misunderstanding. Perhaps what the OP is noting
> is that etc-update gives you diffs between
>
> * The file as on your system (which may have user changes)
>
[Discussion about etc-update (and friends) changing something that was
set by the user]
I believe there is a misunderstanding. Perhaps what the OP is noting
is that etc-update gives you diffs between
* The file as on your system (which may have user changes)
* The file as in the current eme
Hi,
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:07:42 +0200
Gerhard Hoogterp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Show me what is added or removed. And since it can only do that by comparing
> the new file to a clean, untouched, original file I innocently suggested to
> have such a file, make changes there and leave it up
Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
> I think there's a mis-understanding here. Gerhard and I are
> complaining about config files being possibly *OVERWRITTEN* with default
> settings. If there's no config file, sure write the default config
> file. But if someone has customized a config file, assume
> > I think there's a mis-understanding here. Gerhard and I are
> > complaining about config files being possibly *OVERWRITTEN* with default
> > settings. If there's no config file, sure write the default config
> > file. But if someone has customized a config file, assume that they
> > know w
On 7/9/06, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
WouldPORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI="[EMAIL PROTECTED] user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:pass_with_:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@mailserver:port"
work? For clarification:user=
user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]pass=pass_with_:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailserver=mailserver
On 7/11/06, Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 05:29:06PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote
> Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
> >> When I say "yes" I mean "yes". When I say "no" I mean "no". And I
> >>don't mean "just until the next update" either. I have reasons for my
> >>s
Dale wrote:
Careful with that -5 option.
delta ~ # ( while true ; do echo -5\n ; done ) | etc-update
*shifty eyes*
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Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Walter Dnes wrote:
>
>
>> I think there's a mis-understanding here. Gerhard and I are
>> complaining about config files being possibly *OVERWRITTEN* with default
>> settings. If there's no config file, sure write the default config
>> file. But if someone has custom
Walter Dnes wrote:
> I think there's a mis-understanding here. Gerhard and I are
> complaining about config files being possibly *OVERWRITTEN* with default
> settings. If there's no config file, sure write the default config
> file. But if someone has customized a config file, assume that the
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 05:29:06PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote
> Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
> >> When I say "yes" I mean "yes". When I say "no" I mean "no". And I
> >>don't mean "just until the next update" either. I have reasons for my
> >>settings; please don't act like Windows and assume tha
Richard Fish wrote:
> On 7/7/06, Daniel Iliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well, correct me if I'm wrong but it think it's not quite true.
>>
>> I *think* if you have buildpkg in your FEATURES, you will
>> get binary packages in your $PKGDIR with the new, updated versions.
>
> But previous version
You can see here that you *CAN* use vimdiff, I personally use colordiff
which you can see above. HTH
Ah, very nice. So then the alleged "problems" in etc-update lie not
with the frontend to diff itself, but with the idea of using a
frontend to diff (as opposed to a more complex system)?
--Davi
Rafael Fernández López wrote:
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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 20:18:25 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Would
>
> PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI="[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:pass_with_:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@mailserver:port"
>
> work? For clarification:
>
> user=user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> pass=pass_with_:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
On Sunday 09 July 2006 17:29, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> As I wrote in an other mail: Stop interfering with the actual configfile
> and add the changes to a config.conf.dist file.
Yep, you wrote that, and I answered that *I* would *NOT* like this.
I like it, that I can
On Sunday 09 July 2006 17:29, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > As I wrote in an other mail: Stop interfering with the actual configfile
> > and add the changes to a config.conf.dist file.
>
> Yep, you wrote that, and I answered that *I* would *NOT* like this.
> I like it, that I can use a program right
Neil Bothwick schrieb:
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:18:32 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> What to do when your smtp server needs authentification ?
Curse the damned too simple ELOG interface :)
That's why I wrote, that I actually use =custom. I wrote a page on
the wiki regarding this:
What's wron
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:18:32 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > What to do when your smtp server needs authentification ?
>
> Curse the damned too simple ELOG interface :)
>
> That's why I wrote, that I actually use =custom. I wrote a page on
> the wiki regarding this:
What's wrong with the proc
David Dalrymple schrieb:
> There you don't have to ask for
> permission and a simple diff can reveal the changes whenever I want.
A simple diff is all that's done right now (well, basically at least;
basically etc-update can be seen as a sort of front-end to diff).
To throw my two cents in her
On Sunday 9 July 2006 17:53, David Dalrymple wrote:
> To throw my two cents in here, I'd like etc-update to use vimdiff,
> which is another front-end to diff, and much more intuitive to me.
I think that vimdiff is the same as vim -d; if this is correct, just
edit /etc/etc-update.conf and enable
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David Dalrymple wrote:
>> > There you don't have to ask for
>> > permission and a simple diff can reveal the changes whenever I want.
>>
>> A simple diff is all that's done right now (well, basically at least;
>> basically etc-update can be seen as a s
> There you don't have to ask for
> permission and a simple diff can reveal the changes whenever I want.
A simple diff is all that's done right now (well, basically at least;
basically etc-update can be seen as a sort of front-end to diff).
To throw my two cents in here, I'd like etc-update to
Gerhard Hoogterp schrieb:
When I say "yes" I mean "yes". When I say "no" I mean "no". And I
don't mean "just until the next update" either. I have reasons for my
settings; please don't act like Windows and assume that you know better
than me. And there is no excuse whatsoever for wiping out
Walter Dnes schrieb:
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 09:22:29PM +0200, Rafael Fern??ndez L??pez wrote
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution
that fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what
things can be improved in this wonderful distro.
The first thin
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
What to do when your smtp server needs authentification ?
Well, I wrote a page on the wiki. And I wanted to post the URL, but
my fingers are too clumsy :)
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Making_portage_use_/usr/sbin/sendmail_to_send_out_ELOG_mails
In this wiki TIP,
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
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Curse the damned too simple ELOG interface :)
That's why I wrote, that I actually use =custom. I wrote a page on
the wiki regarding this:
Alexander Skwar
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On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:59:24 +0200, Gerhard Hoogterp wrote:
> Something alike for the messages during an emerge. Often I see
> instructions on what to do after the emerge flashing by while doing an
> emerge world, I don't even want to know how many I miss.. Why not log
> those to a seperate file so
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:10:17 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > Using buildpkg means I never have to worry about forgetting to run
> > quickpkg, i can concentrate on all the other things I forget to do :)
>
> yeah, but some people are a little bit harddisc-space constraint ;)
Yeah, I know. T
Daniel Iliev wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
EXTRA_ECONF="--disable-runtime-cpudetection" emerge --options mplayer
This doesn't work with every ebuild, but it does with most of them.
Correct. This doesn't work for mplayer.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ equery u mplayer
[ Searching for packages matchi
On Saturday 08 July 2006 23:00, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:32:58 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > FEATURES="buildpkg" emerge --oneshot portage python
> >
> > I know that. I prefer quickpkg. ;)
>
> The difference is that the buildpkg approach verifies the package by
> buil
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> When I say "yes" I mean "yes". When I say "no" I mean "no". And I
> don't mean "just until the next update" either. I have reasons for my
> settings; please don't act like Windows and assume that you know better
> than me. And there is no excuse whatsoever for wiping out the custom
> settin
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:32:58 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > FEATURES="buildpkg" emerge --oneshot portage python
> >
>
> I know that. I prefer quickpkg. ;)
The difference is that the buildpkg approach verifies the package by
building it and then installing from it.
> Before a big, scar
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 09:22:29PM +0200, Rafael Fern??ndez L??pez wrote
> This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution
> that fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what
> things can be improved in this wonderful distro.
>
> The first thing that I'd cha
On Saturday 08 July 2006 11:31, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:00:19 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > yeah, but that does not change the fact, that some time (years?) ago,
> > there was a portage-rescue package.
> >
> > Which I even used once ... unpack it and you had a working
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:30:06 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > I know that lots of you don't know "dpkg-reconfigure", well,
> > it will write the /etc/whatever.conf file for you asking you in an
> > interactive way what do you want to do.
>
> But etc-update is interactive as well, isn't it?
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
I know that lots of you don't know "dpkg-reconfigure", well, it will
write the /etc/whatever.conf file for you asking you in an interactive
way what do you want to do.
But etc-update is interactive as well, isn't it?
process, so I'd suggest to print in
Lord Sauron schrieb:
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Lord Sauron wrote:
> My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
> things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
> This NEVER happen
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
Second thing that I'd improve is a security one. I know that "emerge"
is a very cared package, but it is a script. Suppose that someone
commits portage with a emerge failure in its code (he forgot a comma
!!)... if someone updates portage won't be able to
Rafael Fernández López schrieb:
The first thing that I'd change is "etc-update" or "dispatch-conf". I'd
suggest to create some kind of tool like "dpkg-reconfigure" in Debian.
More intuitive than reading /etc files and writing them by hand that is
more probably to be mistaken when writing
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 05:42:25PM +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:
>
> Yes, I already have about 400MB of logs there. I still wonder when will
> come the day I'll wipe them out. :)
I have a simple cron job that bzip2's them and about a year's worth of
logs amounts to about 30 Mib, but I should probabl
Rafael Fernández López wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> There are some things that I forgot to tell ya.
>
> I know that lots of you don't know "dpkg-reconfigure", well, it will
> write the /etc/whatever.conf file for you asking you in an interactive
> way what do you want to do. I'd compare it t
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:00:27 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> emerge is, by definition, a non-interactive program (apart from --ask
> which works before emerge starts its business). Use the ELOG features of
> portage 2.1 to have this messages save to a file, mailed to you or rea
Justin R Findlay wrote:
> -s, -q seems to work for me.
This means one still has to monitor the output.
> In my /etc/make.conf I have:
>
> PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES="info warn error log"
> PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM="mail syslog"
> PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Thank you for pointing this out. It
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Hi guys,
There are some things that I forgot to tell ya.
I know that lots of you don't know "dpkg-reconfigure", well, it will
write the /etc/whatever.conf file for you asking you in an interactive
way what do you want to do. I'd compa
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:00:19 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> yeah, but that does not change the fact, that some time (years?) ago,
> there was a portage-rescue package.
>
> Which I even used once ... unpack it and you had a working portage - if
> you did not have destroyed python
FEATU
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:00:27 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> 1) I would like to see an implementation of "PAUSE". I mean, during most
> of the emerges there is not only one package to be emerged. Some of the
> packages have instructions for additional post installation steps that
> the user
> should
On Saturday 08 July 2006 04:23, Zac Medico wrote:
>
> Look inside $PORTDIR/sys-apps/portage/files/README.RESCUE and you'll see
> this:
>
> Please see
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml for a
> recovery guide for a broken portage installation.
>
yeah, but that d
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 02:00:27AM +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> 1) I would like to see an implementation of "PAUSE".
-s, -q seems to work for me.
> 2) More control over portages verbosity. Most of the time I only need to see
> the portages messages, not all the compilation stuff. The later is
> i
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Lord Sauron wrote:
> On 7/7/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah. Portage works, however, I think it's really in need of a large
> overhaul. If what you're saying is true, and it's really
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Lord Sauron wrote:
> On 7/7/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah. Portage works, however, I think it's really in need of a large
> overhaul. If what you're saying is true, and it's really just a load
> of scripts, then I really would HIGH
On 7/7/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/7/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scripts are great, but they aren't for whole applications. Yes, that
> would be a quotable.
I think (someone please correct me if I am wrong) that most of portage
is actually implemented in py
On 7/7/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Scripts are great, but they aren't for whole applications. Yes, that
would be a quotable.
I think (someone please correct me if I am wrong) that most of portage
is actually implemented in python. The actual merge process is shell
script, but t
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Lord Sauron wrote:
> My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
> things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
> This NEVER happened in Debian.
emerge/
On 7/7/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lord Sauron wrote:
> My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
> things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
> This NEVER happened in Debian.
Yeah, emerge should probably start caching this i
On 7/7/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
emerge/portage has lots of room for improvement. Lots of the code is quite
messy and it has been largely neglected because most people simply refuse to do
much work on such a mess. However, since I've joined the project, I've been
doing doing
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Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Friday 07 July 2006 21:22, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
>
>> Second thing that I'd improve is a security one. I know that "emerge"
>> is a very cared package, but it is a script. Suppose that someone
>> commits
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Lord Sauron wrote:
> My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
> things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
> This NEVER happened in Debian.
emerge/portage has lots of room for improvement. Lots of
Richard Fish wrote:
> On 7/7/06, Daniel Iliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well, correct me if I'm wrong but it think it's not quite true.
>>
>> I *think* if you have buildpkg in your FEATURES, you will
>> get binary packages in your $PKGDIR with the new, updated versions.
>
> But previous versio
Lord Sauron wrote:
> My personal gripe is how slow emerge is on just plain old emerge-ish
> things. That we have to use things like eix to search is pathetic.
> This NEVER happened in Debian.
Yeah, emerge should probably start caching this info for faster
searches. emerge overall though got a pre
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Hi,
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that
fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
can be improved in this wonderful di
On 7/7/06, Daniel Iliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, correct me if I'm wrong but it think it's not quite true.
I *think* if you have buildpkg in your FEATURES, you will
get binary packages in your $PKGDIR with the new, updated versions.
But previous versions are not deleted until you do an
Richard Fish wrote:
--snip
> It is far more likely that you could break python (and thus portage)
> from a mishandled gcc or glibc update. But there is already a
> recovery option available in this case; if you have buildpkg in your
> FEATURES, you will already have a backup copy of
> portage/pyt
Le vendredi 07 juillet 2006 à 14:12 -0700, Richard Fish a écrit :
> Hmm, looks like a new version of python was installed. You should run
> python-updater to make sure all python modules are rebuilt. Do you
> want to do that now?
>
The problem with this is that it break for users who put emerge
On Friday 07 July 2006 21:22, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
> Second thing that I'd improve is a security one. I know that "emerge"
> is a very cared package, but it is a script. Suppose that someone
> commits portage with a emerge failure in its code (he forgot a comma
> !!)... if someone u
On 7/7/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The first thing that I'd change is "etc-update" or "dispatch-conf".
I'd
> suggest to create some kind of tool like "dpkg-reconfigure" in Debian.
I don't know anything about
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The first thing that I'd change is "etc-update" or "dispatch-conf". I'd
suggest to create some kind of tool like "dpkg-reconfigure" in Debian.
I don't know anything about dpkg-reconfigure, so I can't really comment on this.
B
On 7/7/06, Rafael Fernández López <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Hi,
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that
fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
can be improved in this wonderful di
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Rafael Fernández López wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution
> that
> fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
> can be improved in this wonderful distro.
>
> The first th
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Hi,
This is not flame war. I love Gentoo, and it is the distribution that
fits me perfectly, but I've been wondering this last year what things
can be improved in this wonderful distro.
The first thing that I'd change is "etc-update"
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